Asher Grodman | From HBO’s “Bookie” to CBS’s “Ghosts” | Farm to Screen Acting

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Asher Grodman: I got excited

at the prospect of getting up

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there and this is what I did.

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I changed the words, the Hazel I girl.

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For her, I think she was mortified,

but for me it was, it was thrilling.

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It didn't work out the

way I was hoping it would.

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Announcer: Welcome to Story and Craft.

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Now here's your host, Marc Preston.

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Marc Preston: All right, welcome back.

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Another episode of Story and Craft.

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Let's do it.

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Good to have you back if

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Thanks so much for checking out the show.

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Good to have you.

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Uh, today we are sitting

down with actor Asher Groman.

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Uh, you may know him

from the CBS show ghosts.

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It's hard to miss him.

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He is the only character who does the

entire series, uh, not wearing pants.

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He wears just like a sport

coat, shirt and tie, I believe.

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But no pants.

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I haven't gotten far enough

into the series to find out

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why he doesn't wear pants.

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But funny guy, I really enjoyed

the conversation with him and

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I'm sure you will as well.

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It is Asher Groman Day right

here on Story and Craft.

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Where are you joining me from today?

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I.

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Asher Grodman: From home in New York.

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Okay.

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Where are you joining me?

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Marc Preston: I am on the south Texas

coast in a little island called South

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Padre, doing the empty nest thing.

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And I figured once my youngest

graduated high school, I was trying

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to go, you know, full Jimmy Buffet's.

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So this is where I ended up.

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I like the tropical Mayberry thing

is what I'm going for, basically.

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Um.

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Oh, very nice.

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So with a name like you got a hell

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Asher Grodman: of a voice Marc.

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Oh, you were, you were made for this.

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Marc Preston: Well, you're

very, you're very, very kind.

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You're very kind.

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Now with a name like Asher Groman, uh,

I'm assuming you're a member of the tribe.

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Yes, very same assumption.

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Happy, uh, Passover to you.

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Thank you so

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Asher Grodman: much.

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Are you, are you also a, a tribal member?

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Oh, yes, yes.

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Well then Todd,

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Marc Preston: I, I gotta get, my

son is gonna be in town from New

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Orleans, uh, from school tomorrow.

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So it's, uh, matza ball, soup time,

uh, but down here on the coast, right.

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It's kind of weird to be like

in the eighties, but yet I'm

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making a big old pot of soup.

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I don't know.

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It's, uh, you know, I, I

had a sandwich yesterday.

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I'm going, oh shit.

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Okay.

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I'm always forgetting, but you

know, then again, at my age

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I'm like, can't do too much.

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Matza starts creating other

ancillary issues, you know, so

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Asher Grodman: I understand.

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So where in New York do you live?

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Um, I'm on the west side of

Manhattan, the Upper West side,

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um, kind of near Central Park.

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Um, I. Yeah, a fairly, fairly

Jewish area of New York.

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Yeah.

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So we went to a little

Seder last night, you know?

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So you, you, you grew up in

the New York area, right?

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Yes.

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I, um, I, I, I grew up as

crazy as this sounds, um, on,

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uh, an old farm in New Jersey.

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Um, but we didn't farm anything.

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It was like a, a old horse farm.

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Mm-hmm.

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But we didn't have any horses.

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We had, we had at one

time as many as 14 dogs.

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Um, really?

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Okay.

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So, yeah.

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So, um, there's two

litters running around.

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So, so I, I, I had this very kind

of rural, um, uh, a little isolated

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upbringing, but, um, by the time that

I knew I wanted to pursue acting,

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which is, uh, like 14, 15, something

like that, then my life suddenly.

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It started becoming very New York centric.

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Right.

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So, uh, we, we grew up like an hour

outside of New York, but then by the

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time I hit my, like teenage years, I

was really in New York a lot and, and

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New York was kind of, um, for a kid

who didn't really have, um, I guess a

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community or a town because it's, it's,

it's a very rural part of New Jersey.

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Um, New York became like defacto home.

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I gotcha.

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Cultural home.

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Yeah.

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Marc Preston: So I'm assuming, uh, when

you were, when you were on this farm,

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you, it's not like growing up in the

suburbs, you go a couple doors down and

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go see your friend and like who, who Yeah.

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Was it like, uh, was it very isolated or

were you able, I guess, I guess after you

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turned 16 and got your driver's license

it got a little easier, I'm assuming.

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Asher Grodman: Yeah, I mean, it was pretty

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Marc Preston: isolated

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Asher Grodman: and, and I think

part of, part of the, the thing

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was we just were so far away from.

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Other thing.

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Like my, my school was, my middle

school was like 25 minutes away.

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My high school was 45 minutes away.

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Really?

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Okay.

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Um, so yeah, so there wasn't like a, a

social life to be had out where I grew

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up 'cause it was just so, um, quiet.

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Um, so yeah, everything

was a, was a distance.

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I, I'd be terrified to know how

many hours, how much time I lost

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in a car, uh, during high school.

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Uh, I think that would

just deeply depress me.

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But, um, what it did being is I got used

to, you know, I got used to everything

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being a little bit of, a bit of a trek.

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And so, uh, you know, I'm,

so you're, you're growing

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Marc Preston: up years.

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You can call 'em the schlepp

years more or less Yeah.

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The

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Asher Grodman: schlepp years.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's good.

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And so then I went to college

in New York, which suddenly

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made everything very accessible.

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Uh, so that was.

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That was great.

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Marc Preston: Well, it's farmland,

but you're, y'all didn't farm it.

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What did your folks do

when you were growing up?

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What did they do?

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Uh, you mean like professionally vocation?

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Yeah.

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What was her gig?

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Yeah.

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Asher Grodman: Yes.

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Yeah.

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So my, my mom, um, before I was

born was a, a fashion designer.

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She was, um, like the vice,

uh, vice president of women's

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wear for Ralph Lauren.

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And then Oh, really?

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The president, yeah,

president of Calvin Klein.

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She was, um, uh,

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was a very, very hard worker.

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Um, and then my dad, uh, was a doctor,

um, and, uh, while I guess probably a

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little bit before I was born, started

a clinical laboratory that he then

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developed and, and, um, uh, turned

into, you know, the business with

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which my, my life was always, um, or at

least my childhood was always circled.

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Um, a place called Bio Reference Labs.

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So, um.

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Yeah, two very hardworking and,

and um, uh, very smart, driven

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parents, um, out in the wilderness.

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Marc Preston: Well that,

that's a nice balance though.

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'cause you know, the fashion thing, I'm

assuming your mother was commuting into

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the city or was she able to work remotely?

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No, she

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Asher Grodman: was done, she was really

out of it, um, by the time I was born.

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But she, uh, she's very active.

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Um, and they always tell the story

of they got this house, I guess a

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year or two before I was born, and I

think my mom was pregnant with me and.

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Suddenly like, had time on her hands,

so she wasn't working anymore and just

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started, started taking a hammer to

the wall and just like beating through

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like, um, drywall or uh, uh, and

finding like the stone underneath it.

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So my, my mother is constantly doing

projects and building new, new, uh,

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rooms or, or, or things in the yard.

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Um, she's a, a very, very

creative, um, visual person.

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So,

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Marc Preston: uh, well that's, it

sounds like you had a nice balance,

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you know, your folks were, uh, you

know, professionals, but you got

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this little enclave that you got

to call you, you know, your own.

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Now, now were you an only kid or did you

have like siblings around you back then?

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Asher Grodman: I have a younger brother

who's a year and a half younger.

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Um, and he's, he's kind of followed,

uh, my dad's path, um, a little

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bit in the, in the medicine field.

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And he's doing work in.

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So you're, so you're the

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Marc Preston: disappointment

is what you're trying to say?

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I'm the

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Asher Grodman: disappointment, yes.

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I'm definitely the black sheep

of the, the, uh, the family.

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Yeah.

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And, and, and certainly the, uh, the most

unconventional, uh, of pathways for me.

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Um, but it keeps it exciting.

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Marc Preston: No, that's important.

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I think it's nice when you get together,

you know, I know it's, we're talking

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about Passover, you know, you got

the, the Seder and you got the Hagas.

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You know, everybody's gotta do their

little reading part, you know, Uhhuh.

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And I always kind of found it like

really boring just to kinda read it.

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I was like, I kind, I felt like the

need to more perform, not perform

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it, but this is a living story.

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You know, you want to tell, you

wanna tell a story, you know?

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So I don't know if I annoyed my

family when I was younger like that.

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I'm the only one in my family that did

this, you know, anything like this.

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So I'm the disappointment also.

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Asher Grodman: No, you need to, you need,

you need to bring it to life a little bit.

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We, we were at a Seder one night where it

felt like, it was like no singing allowed.

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They were like reading Dinu off the

page and eventually the room just

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erupted in, in like rebellious song.

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We were like, no, we're going

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Marc Preston: to sing it.

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Yeah.

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Even the old folks kind

of get into it, you know?

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But yeah, you can't read, you

can't read Dinu off the page.

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You gotta, you gotta know.

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No, no,

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Asher Grodman: no, no, no.

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Flying free flag.

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Flag.

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But it's, you know, you, you bring up a

yeah, you bring up an interesting point.

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I, I don't know that I would be

an actor today 'cause I was a

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pretty shy kid and I was, you know,

obviously growing up the way I did.

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Um, if not for having a bar mitzvah.

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'cause it just, it was like a moment

of being up in front of people.

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It was, it was an assignment, a

cultural assignment that I had to do.

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Um, and so gave me an experience

that I, you know, I life may not

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have provided, if not for that.

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Um, 'cause no part of me wanted

to be up in front of people.

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No, the same here.

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Which is such an irony.

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Sixth grade self.

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Yeah.

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Um.

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So that probably opened a lot of,

opened my eyes to a lot of stuff.

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So it's a good thing.

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I'm Jewish.

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Marc Preston: I completely agree with you.

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When you get up there, it's sort of a,

it's kind of a proof of performance thing.

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You get up there, you're, wait

a minute, I can do this, even

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though I thought maybe I couldn't.

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Was there anything that you felt the

spark of wanting to perform at that age?

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Asher Grodman: I think there were

probably three things that were

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like big, uh, eye-opening or like

kind of propelling moments for me.

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One was getting up at the bar mitzvah

and just having the like, oh, this feels

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like a scary, insurmountable thing.

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And then doing it and the exhilaration

that comes from, I'm up in front of

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people and they're watching me and I could

see them watching me and, and um, the

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kind of vitality that comes from that.

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Uh, so that was definitely one.

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Another one was, and this probably

just comes out of being a very lonely

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kid, um, was, uh, I had crushes on,

on all the girls and was often doing,

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I, I remember I had a, a crush on, um,

a girl who, who will remain nameless,

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um, in like the seventh grade.

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And I was, I, I was in the school jazz

band and kind of hiding in the back.

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Um, and at one point, uh, everyone

in the school jazz band graduated and

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it was like me and three people left.

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And, um, I got tapped to sing

a brown-eyed girl Oh, okay.

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In front of the school, uh,

which was pretty terrifying.

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But I, I, I, um, uh, got excited at

the prospect of getting up there.

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And this is what I did.

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I changed the words, the hazel I girl

for her, um, which it was another one

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of those like big, exhilarating moments.

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I'm sure.

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I think she was mortified.

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Um, but for me it was, it

was thrilling and, uh, um.

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It didn't work out the way I

was hoping it would in my little

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romantic seventh grade self.

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But it did, it was another one

of those experiences of like

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being up in front of people.

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And then I think the last thing that

was such a big deal for me was, uh,

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this is the time that Mel Brooks,

um, that the producers hit Broadway.

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Hmm.

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And we were, my brother and I

obsessed with that musical we

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were singing and we knew all the

words and everything and, and, um.

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And so I think those three factors, uh,

just kind of started pushing me towards,

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uh, getting up in front of people and

being a little more, um, outgoing and,

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and taking risks in different way.

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Marc Preston: Roughly 12,

13, you know, years old.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you, you going for the, uh,

the big Hail Mary there, that's,

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that's, uh, that's commendable.

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You know, that's, you know, at that

age, you know, thank, you know, it's

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easy to kind of crawl in, you know,

but when you, I think at that age, it's

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a series of proving yourself that you

can do things and you're not limited.

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I, I was kind of the same way, you know?

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I would, yeah.

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I would've, I would've never done that.

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I, I had a couple, uh,

good handful of crushes.

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I, I, I think I would've been

mortified to, uh, do that, but,

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so, uh, mazel top, very good job.

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But did you ever, oh, thank you.

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Did you ever, did she ever allude to that?

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Later did work now.

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Oh, okay.

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Well, yeah.

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No, no, no.

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Asher Grodman: Um, but, but you know, it,

it, it, I think there is an element of.

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You might, you might relate to this, where

you, you're, I don't know, you're 12,

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13, 14, and, and like, you're changing.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, I don't mean like puberty wise.

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You're just, you're, you're, you're

just at the beginning of starting to

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figure out like who you are, who you

want to be, and, and so new ideas and

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perspectives are entering your mind,

and yet you're in school where everyone

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has a certain sense of who you are.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I, I remember a lot of those

years feeling like I didn't, I, I

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wanted to, I didn't want to be what

I, like, I was, I was changing.

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I didn't want to be what I was,

I wanted to try something new.

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And, and I think that those

experiences were probably, um.

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A big part of like, I wanted

to be seen differently.

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I wanted to, uh, experience

myself differently.

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I didn't know that at the

time, but, um, I'm sure Well,

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yeah, because when you go from,

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Marc Preston: let's say, the elementary

school to, you know, I had a junior high

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thing, so we started in seventh grade.

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I think that first year that you get

kind of cast in a role, or you think

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you do, you get cast into, you know, oh,

this is who he is or she is, you know?

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Yeah.

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There's a, you know, a special

brand of trauma being at that age,

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especially when you have crushes

and you don't know how to get to

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the next step or whatever, you know?

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Now she doesn't know

what she missed out on.

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Now, now she's got a guy who gets paid

to walk around with either this pants on.

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I mean, that's she, that's right.

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Yes.

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She missed the boat.

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She missed the boat, and who

wouldn't sign up for that?

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You're in school in New York now.

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Were you like, was that when kind of you

shifted into gear and go, okay, theatrical

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thing, that's, that's what I wanna do?

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Or did it come even later than that?

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Asher Grodman: Um, no, it was, I, I

went to high school in, in New Jersey.

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Um, but I, it, it was really like

high school was the time where

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I started really pursuing it.

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I got very lucky.

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Mm-hmm.

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At like, um, I guess I would've

been like 15 or something.

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And, um, I was in New York, this is back

when this was a thing that happened.

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I was in New York dropping

off like headshots and really

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just like a blank resume to

different agents, office offices.

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Um, and it was the day

before Thanksgiving.

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And the city was empty.

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I picked a bad day to do this.

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Um, but it's when I was off from school

and uh, it just so happened that one

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of the agents that I was gonna, where I

was agencies or I was dropping something

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off, the agent was there and got in the

elevator with me and we started chatting.

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And so I just got lucky that I,

I met this person face to face.

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Marc Preston: So you had, you

had a literal elevator pitch?

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Asher Grodman: I had an elevator pitch.

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That's right.

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My elevator, which pitch was I'm

an actor, I don't know anything.

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Uh, can we, would you

consider, uh, taking me on?

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Um, and I think he, I can't

remember if it was then or later,

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but at some point he had me do a

monologue and, um, and signed me.

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And, and then I was like, this,

this feels like a very different

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time now, but back then there

was a thing called pilot season.

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Yeah.

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Uh, where, you know, the, from the

January to March, I. Um, part of the

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year, uh, every network was making

like 10 pilots and, uh, who knows

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how many would actually go to series,

but they were always casting them.

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And, and I had a kind of look that I think

fit that kind of like WB World back then.

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It was wb.

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Oh God.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But, um, and so I, I kind of had this

thing where I was like, I, I couldn't, I,

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I, I wasn't auditioning for guest stars or

anything like that, but I was weirdly like

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auditioning for the leads of these shows.

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Um, and never got one.

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Like I came close.

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No, no.

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Were you

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Marc Preston: flying to LA for,

were you going there to, you know,

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Asher Grodman: yeah.

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So what happened was, I, I, I

was in New York 'cause I was

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in school and, and school was

kind of always the top priority.

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Um, but I did, at the end of, I

worked with this guy for like.

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I guess 4, 3, 4 years.

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And at the end there was, uh, it was

one show commander in chief was the

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name of it with Gina Davis that I

was, um, uh, I guess chosen to, to

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do a screen, to do a screen test,

um, a networks and studio test.

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And, um, so for that, I was flown out to

LA and I kind of made a, and basically

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what that means is they've got it down

to like three or four guys and they're

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gonna show you to the studio and the

network, and you're gonna perform.

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And they'll, they're gonna give their

blessing or not give their blessing,

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and the decision will be made.

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And I was kind of like, um, all right,

uh, if this happens for me, I'll do

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this show and that's what I'll do.

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And, but if it doesn't

happen, I'm going to college.

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Uh, so I kind of like left it

up to fate and I didn't get it.

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And so I committed to going to school.

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Uh, and then later on I ended

up getting offered another.

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Show and, and turned it down.

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Uh, and my agent was

like, get out of here.

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But what was, what was

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Marc Preston: the impetus

for turning it down?

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Or was it just not

something you wanted to do?

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Or you had, you were

more focused on school?

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Asher Grodman: I think it was a little

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Marc Preston: bit like, um,

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Asher Grodman: I think it was

a little bit that I felt like

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school was the smart thing to do.

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Uh, I wanted to set myself up, um, you

know, as best as I could for the future.

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And I, I didn't know what the other show

was gonna turn out to be, or I don't even,

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I, I don't, it didn't even have a name at

the time, so, um, it may not even gone.

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So the idea of like going to

series, so the idea of, um,

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giving up college for that just

didn't make a lot of sense to me.

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And I think deep down I kind of

had a sense that I'm, I'm kind

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of, um, I'm kind of winging it.

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Mm-hmm.

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I don't, I don't really know

what I'm doing right now.

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Um, and uh, I think years of kind of

being in New York and working with.

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Uh, acting coaches and figuring

out how to do this work and

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then going to grad school.

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And, um, I kind of figured out how

to do it over time, but I think at

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that point it was, it was important

for me to go to college and go

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get, get that life experience.

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Um, not the choice everyone would make.

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That was the choice that I made.

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Well, of

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Marc Preston: course, you know,

the parents is sort of like, oh,

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you're not gonna be a doctor.

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Not gonna be an attorney.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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Well, they at least do

the school, you know?

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Asher Grodman: That's right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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My, to my parents' credit, they, they

were always like, it doesn't matter

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what you do, you just have to, as long

as you love it, and as long as you were

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willing to bust your ass to achieve it.

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And so they were always

supportive of me being an actor.

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It was a world that they didn't know.

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Um, but like no one knows

unless you're in it.

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Um, but they were always very supportive.

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Um, and they probably instilled

a lot of tenacity mm-hmm.

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In me.

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Marc Preston: Um, well, you need that.

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You need to be a little hardheaded.

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Yes.

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You know.

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Um, now when you were, were you

studying acting in, in school

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and, and for your masters or were

you kind of doing something else?

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No, but doing the acting at the same time.

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Asher Grodman: No, this

was the weird thing.

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And so I went to Columbia, um, where

it was a very large core curriculum.

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Um, and, uh, I kind of made a point,

I was a film and an English major at

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Columbia, and so I wanted college to be

something that was separate from acting.

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Um, and, uh, I, I had acting

coaches in the city who I was

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working with while I was in school.

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And I wanted school to be about school.

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Um.

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Which was a kind of surreal thing

when you, I got to the end of

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school 'cause everyone is like

applying for internships Right.

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And trying to get jobs

and stuff like that.

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And I, I was like, I think I'm just

gonna wing it here and go job to job.

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Um, but uh, yeah, I, I kept

school kind of separate.

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I, I was lucky I got

some jobs here and there.

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I was in college, but part of college.

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Well,

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Marc Preston: what was your study?

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What was your course of

uh, your degree plan?

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Asher Grodman: My degree plan

was, so I, I wanted, Columbia

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has a really great film school.

489

21:28 ,199 --> 00:21:31,021

Um, so I took all the film

classes that I mm-hmm.

490

21:31 ,022 --> 00:21:35,639

That I could and, which is great

'cause it, as the years went by and I

491

21:35 ,790 --> 00:21:38,760

get opportunities to direct here and

there, that was like the foundation

492

21:38 ,760 --> 00:21:40,169

for understanding how to do that.

493

21:40 ,830 --> 00:21:45,030

Um, so that proved to be very valuable.

494

21:45 ,060 --> 00:21:47,159

Um, and then, and then I was

just kind of taking classes

495

21:47 ,159 --> 00:21:49,800

I was interested in and, um.

496

21:50 ,145 --> 00:21:53,715

And I didn't know this, but it kind

of added up to an English major.

497

21:53 ,715 --> 00:21:56,415

So I got to the end and was like,

oh, I'm, I'm somehow a double major,

498

21:56 ,865 --> 00:21:58,725

uh, if I just take this poetry class.

499

21:59 ,145 --> 00:22:02,595

And, uh, and so then I like

barely survived a poetry class

500

22:02 ,595 --> 00:22:03,765

and just got my English major.

501

22:04 ,365 --> 00:22:09,015

Um, but yeah, I guess the plan was

the, I think the plan was always like,

502

22:10 ,215 --> 00:22:14,055

I wanted to be in a position to learn

things and to be exposed to things

503

22:14 ,055 --> 00:22:15,825

that I wouldn't normally be exposed to.

504

22:16 ,425 --> 00:22:21,075

Um, 'cause I thought that that

would probably help me, uh, with

505

22:21 ,075 --> 00:22:23,325

acting with scripts and, and I

think another element of, you

506

22:23 ,325 --> 00:22:25,125

know, I'm dyslexic reading is hard.

507

22:25 ,215 --> 00:22:25,365

Mm-hmm.

508

22:25 ,725 --> 00:22:27,645

Or was very hard for me growing up.

509

22:27 ,645 --> 00:22:33,255

And so I think have, being in a situation,

in an academic environment where someone

510

22:33 ,255 --> 00:22:37,005

is kind of guiding you through some

of these, this language and guiding

511

22:37 ,005 --> 00:22:40,815

you through some of these texts was

really probably my only shot at that

512

22:40 ,815 --> 00:22:43,305

age to, to really learn this stuff.

513

22:43 ,709 --> 00:22:47,189

Marc Preston: Were you kind of wired

into an ecosystem of other actors, you

514

22:47 ,189 --> 00:22:50,129

know, 'cause you're in New York and

were, did you find your tribe pretty

515

22:50 ,129 --> 00:22:53,040

easily or were you still kind of a solo

516

22:53 ,310 --> 00:22:53,909

Asher Grodman: explorer?

517

22:53 ,915 --> 00:22:54,514

I was really solo.

518

22:55 ,155 --> 00:22:59,550

I was really solo and that was

hard because it, it really wouldn't

519

22:59 ,550 --> 00:23:01,139

be until I went to grad school.

520

23:01 ,169 --> 00:23:02,490

And so I, I graduated college.

521

23:02 ,490 --> 00:23:05,159

I had a year in New York, and then I

went to grad school and it wouldn't be

522

23:05 ,159 --> 00:23:09,870

until I got to grad school that I had

the, intimacy is the wrong word, but I

523

23:09 ,870 --> 00:23:15,449

had the intimacy with other artists to

kinda like see my process, see their

524

23:15 ,449 --> 00:23:21,330

process, um, and, and collaborate in

that way because I learned how to act

525

23:21 ,330 --> 00:23:26,459

through auditioning, which is not,

does not set you up for collaboration

526

23:26 ,459 --> 00:23:29,010

because the only people you meet are the

people who are in that room trying to

527

23:29 ,010 --> 00:23:30,179

get the job that you're trying to get.

528

23:30 ,959 --> 00:23:32,459

Um, so.

529

23:33 ,060 --> 00:23:37,560

Yeah, community was delayed and it

would've been exponentially healthier for

530

23:37 ,560 --> 00:23:41,460

me and exponentially, I probably would've

been in a much better situation had I had

531

23:41 ,730 --> 00:23:45,330

some kind of community, but there was no

one in my high school who was doing this.

532

23:45 ,510 --> 00:23:49,620

And in college, there really wasn't,

there weren't many people who were

533

23:49 ,620 --> 00:23:53,970

pursuing it the way that I was pursuing

it, there were doing it in school and

534

23:53 ,970 --> 00:23:56,940

I was kind of doing it outta school,

or at least, at least trying to.

535

23:57 ,540 --> 00:24:00,660

Um, so yeah, I didn't have that community.

536

24:00 ,660 --> 00:24:04,410

And, and then it's funny, once

I experienced that community in

537

24:04 ,410 --> 00:24:07,650

grad school, then creating, that

became very important to me.

538

24:08 ,190 --> 00:24:12,450

And when I was in LA after grad school,

and then when I came back to New York in

539

24:12 ,450 --> 00:24:18,090

both places, I tried to create like, uh,

a, a a group, like a, like a situation

540

24:18 ,090 --> 00:24:22,530

where, um, I, I got together like a

group of actors on a weekly basis for

541

24:22 ,530 --> 00:24:24,240

people to put up work and to try stuff.

542

24:24 ,240 --> 00:24:28,650

And so never to like teach, but just

as like a, as like a gym kind of thing.

543

24:28 ,710 --> 00:24:29,070

'cause.

544

24:29 ,955 --> 00:24:33,135

One thing you learned very early

on in this business is that no one

545

24:33 ,135 --> 00:24:34,785

gets, no one can do this alone.

546

24:34 ,815 --> 00:24:37,365

Even, even just like an audition.

547

24:37 ,395 --> 00:24:39,735

Like if you got an audition for the

greatest thing in the world, but you

548

24:39 ,735 --> 00:24:41,355

couldn't get a buddy to go read with you.

549

24:41 ,685 --> 00:24:41,835

Yeah.

550

24:41 ,835 --> 00:24:43,035

You're not gonna audition for that thing.

551

24:43 ,040 --> 00:24:43,150

Mm-hmm.

552

24:43 ,230 --> 00:24:44,355

Like, you need someone.

553

24:44 ,715 --> 00:24:44,925

Marc Preston: Yeah.

554

24:44 ,925 --> 00:24:47,475

The Mirror is not a good

audition partner, you know?

555

24:48 ,195 --> 00:24:48,285

No.

556

24:48 ,285 --> 00:24:48,405

Have a

557

24:48 ,405 --> 00:24:48,945

Asher Grodman: self tape.

558

24:48 ,945 --> 00:24:49,035

Marc Preston: You

559

24:49 ,035 --> 00:24:49,514

Asher Grodman: need a scene

560

24:49 ,514 --> 00:24:49,905

Marc Preston: partner.

561

24:50 The Jacksonville Jaguars Project

24:50 ,445 --> 00:24:52,215

I, I'm curious, there's a project you did.

562

24:52 ,215 --> 00:24:53,355

I, I've never seen it.

563

24:53 ,355 --> 00:24:54,405

Don't know too much about it.

564

24:54 ,645 --> 00:24:57,795

Figure I was talking to you, I asked

you about it, but the Jacksonville

565

24:57 ,795 --> 00:25:00,345

Jaguars project, what exactly was that?

566

25:00 ,795 --> 00:25:01,065

My

567

25:01 ,065 --> 00:25:04,004

Asher Grodman: opus, my greatest,

my greatest joy in life.

568

25:04 ,095 --> 00:25:10,905

Um, so, so, um, I am a, a big,

uh, Jacksonville Jaguars fan.

569

25:11 ,325 --> 00:25:18,795

Um, and, uh, a few years ago, um, it's

been a few years now, but NFL teams,

570

25:18 ,795 --> 00:25:23,475

when they, uh, on schedule release day,

uh, have started making these videos,

571

25:23 ,475 --> 00:25:25,905

they're like social media kind of, um.

572

25:26 ,820 --> 00:25:29,010

Uh, material is, is it

573

25:29 ,010 --> 00:25:31,245

Marc Preston: sort of like a hype

film a little bit kind of thing?

574

25:31 ,245 --> 00:25:31,680

Yeah, it's kind of a

575

25:31 ,680 --> 00:25:32,580

Asher Grodman: hype film.

576

25:32 ,580 --> 00:25:38,130

It's, it's kind of like a goofy,

um, way to reveal the upcoming

577

25:38 ,130 --> 00:25:40,800

schedule game calendar to your fans.

578

25:40 ,800 --> 00:25:42,330

And so it's a big ticket sales day.

579

25:42 ,720 --> 00:25:46,290

So they're always like, like the kind

of run of the mill of this is like,

580

25:46 ,890 --> 00:25:51,300

like a kitten in a box and you're

dangling the opponent's mascot over

581

25:51 ,300 --> 00:25:52,950

it as the kitten like swipes at it.

582

25:52 ,950 --> 00:25:55,740

Like it's that kind of vibe

as you reveal the schedule.

583

25:56 ,160 --> 00:26:01,590

So it's a big like social media day in

the NFL and I, because of ghosts and

584

26:01 ,590 --> 00:26:08,070

because of my, um, passionate fandom,

um, had developed a relationship with

585

26:08 ,220 --> 00:26:13,680

the Jacksonville Jaguars over the

course of the, of the 2022 season, which

586

26:13 ,680 --> 00:26:15,870

for them was a pretty magical year.

587

26:16 ,170 --> 00:26:17,640

And I got to know everyone.

588

26:17 ,730 --> 00:26:21,840

And, um, at the time

there were a lot of jokes.

589

26:22 ,320 --> 00:26:26,429

About the NFL because it's had

gotten so epic and, and dramatic

590

26:26 ,429 --> 00:26:28,889

and, and, uh, and other things.

591

26:29 ,520 --> 00:26:33,330

There were jokes that the NFL was

all really just scripted and, um,

592

26:34 ,500 --> 00:26:36,300

the Jaguars wanted to play with that.

593

26:36 ,360 --> 00:26:42,360

And I, in talking to them and I, I

guess, convinced them that, um, if they

594

26:42 ,360 --> 00:26:46,139

really wanna have some fun with this,

don't make a schedule release video.

595

26:46 ,590 --> 00:26:49,649

Don't do the whole, here's our, here,

we're playing this person, we're playing

596

26:49 ,649 --> 00:26:50,760

this person, we're playing this person.

597

26:51 ,030 --> 00:26:58,020

Throw that out and let's go all in

and make a full on mockumentary about

598

26:58 ,020 --> 00:27:00,449

the NFL actually being scripted.

599

27:01 ,410 --> 00:27:03,960

And following the, like, if

that's true, what else is true?

600

27:03 ,960 --> 00:27:08,700

And so it stars all of their

players, uh, playing themselves

601

27:08 ,879 --> 00:27:11,370

as actors playing themselves.

602

27:11 ,970 --> 00:27:15,300

And so their quarterback, Trevor

Lawrence is in it, the owner's

603

27:15 ,300 --> 00:27:16,830

in it, their coach was in it.

604

27:16 ,860 --> 00:27:20,520

Um, and it was kind of just

this reMarcable experience

605

27:20 ,520 --> 00:27:23,461

where this, you know, this big

organization really had a sense.

606

27:23 ,466 --> 00:27:24,240

This, this is sort of like your

607

27:24 ,240 --> 00:27:26,460

Marc Preston: football

spinal tap kind of a thing.

608

27:26 ,460 --> 00:27:26,520

Yeah,

609

27:27 ,870 --> 00:27:28,260

Asher Grodman: yeah.

610

27:28 ,650 --> 00:27:29,550

It's a lot like that.

611

27:29 ,550 --> 00:27:34,020

And, and of course it merged, you

know, my, my two, two of my passions

612

27:34 ,020 --> 00:27:36,030

being acting and, and football.

613

27:36 ,060 --> 00:27:36,180

Uh, well,

614

27:36 ,180 --> 00:27:38,715

Marc Preston: I gotta know, how

does a New York kid, uh, or New

615

27:38 ,715 --> 00:27:41,250

Jersey kid, uh, become a Jaguar fan?

616

27:41 ,280 --> 00:27:41,610

Yeah.

617

27:41 ,610 --> 00:27:41,879

How does

618

27:41 ,879 --> 00:27:42,000

Asher Grodman: that

619

27:42 ,000 --> 00:27:42,300

Marc Preston: happen?

620

27:42 ,659 --> 00:27:46,409

Yeah, my new dad is, I'm, I'm

from Dallas, so it's, it's kind of

621

27:46 ,409 --> 00:27:46,919

Asher Grodman: already

622

27:46 ,919 --> 00:27:47,070

Marc Preston: in

623

27:47 ,070 --> 00:27:47,580

Asher Grodman: the DNA,

624

27:47 ,580 --> 00:27:48,175

Marc Preston: you know, so bake

625

27:48 ,205 --> 00:27:51,030

Asher Grodman: into

your, your DNA in Dallas.

626

27:51 ,300 --> 00:27:56,550

My dad is a lifelong, uh, Detroit

Lions fan, and if you're not a a

627

27:56 ,550 --> 00:28:00,330

football person, all you have to

know is the Lions I think, have won

628

28:00 ,929 --> 00:28:03,899

maybe two playoff games in 70 years.

629

28:04 ,350 --> 00:28:09,929

Uh, and so, um, I grew up as a Lions

fan when I was younger and watching

630

28:09 ,929 --> 00:28:11,490

Perry Sanders and, and all that.

631

28:11 ,490 --> 00:28:14,100

And, and at some point I think my

mom went to my dad and was like.

632

28:14 ,730 --> 00:28:15,870

You can't do this to your children.

633

28:16 ,050 --> 00:28:16,590

It's not fair.

634

28:16 ,590 --> 00:28:18,090

They're not gonna have friends.

635

28:18 ,090 --> 00:28:19,170

They're gonna be alone.

636

28:19 ,800 --> 00:28:23,790

Uh, and so my dad like sat us down

when we were, I was like eight.

637

28:24 ,360 --> 00:28:26,550

And he was like, I'm sorry, you're

not allowed to be a Lions fan.

638

28:26 ,610 --> 00:28:27,630

You have to pick your own team.

639

28:28 ,260 --> 00:28:33,510

And um, that year was 1995 and

the Jaguars had just been created.

640

28:33 ,510 --> 00:28:35,370

They were the brand new team on the block.

641

28:35 ,550 --> 00:28:39,570

And to an 8-year-old, I mean, you,

you have to see this, this logo and

642

28:39 ,570 --> 00:28:41,010

uniforms that they used to have.

643

28:41 ,010 --> 00:28:41,700

They were amazing.

644

28:41 ,700 --> 00:28:43,140

It was the coolest thing in the world.

645

28:43 ,650 --> 00:28:46,770

So I, I have to imagine that any, I

have to imagine there's a generation

646

28:46 ,770 --> 00:28:51,330

of people who got into football around

1995 who were just Jaguars fans.

647

28:51 ,360 --> 00:28:55,800

'cause it was just the, the coolest thing

when they, when they hit the scene, um.

648

28:56 ,399 --> 00:29:00,629

So, yeah, I've been with them since really

day one of their, of their existence.

649

29:00 ,689 --> 00:29:05,250

They were born about the time you,

you came into your own NFLI came in.

650

29:05 ,250 --> 00:29:05,460

Yeah.

651

29:05 ,460 --> 00:29:09,750

My, the time that I was kicked out of

my, my lion's house, they were born.

652

29:09 ,750 --> 00:29:10,560

So I, uh,

653

29:10 ,649 --> 00:29:10,980

Marc Preston: yeah, I,

654

29:11 ,669 --> 00:29:12,090

Asher Grodman: I was, I'm

655

29:12 ,090 --> 00:29:14,879

Marc Preston: a Texas Rangers

fan, so up until a couple years

656

29:14 ,879 --> 00:29:17,610

ago, you know, every year it's

like, okay, we're not gonna do it.

657

29:17 ,730 --> 00:29:21,090

But we finally did, and it was like,

you know, I remember sitting on the sofa

658

29:21 ,090 --> 00:29:23,220

and then, and they won the World Series.

659

29:23 ,220 --> 00:29:25,050

I'm sitting there just like,

my kids are looking at me and

660

29:25 ,050 --> 00:29:26,159

they know, I'm like, in shock.

661

29:26 ,189 --> 00:29:26,850

I'm like, oh no.

662

29:27 ,510 --> 00:29:30,840

You know, growing up in Dallas, I was

a big, you know, I, I I football, I

663

29:30 ,840 --> 00:29:35,250

mean, I, they haven't won a Super Bowl

since I was in college, you know, so the

664

29:35 ,250 --> 00:29:38,820

cowboy, so anyway, but I'm not gonna go,

I'm not gonna, the heartbreak, that's

665

29:38 ,820 --> 00:29:40,800

Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, but, um,

666

29:42 ,570 --> 00:29:43,110

Asher Grodman: video.

667

29:43 ,514 --> 00:29:45,645

Uh, is about the Cowboys, so

668

29:45 ,645 --> 00:29:45,855

Marc Preston: if you

669

29:45 ,855 --> 00:29:47,235

Asher Grodman: get a chance,

I think you'll enjoy it.

670

29:47 ,295 --> 00:29:50,595

Marc Preston: Oh, I, I, some of my

favorite memes I see are, are busting

671

29:50 ,595 --> 00:29:53,445

on the Cowboys, you know, and the

way I look at it, it's the most

672

29:53 ,504 --> 00:29:56,205

valuable sports franchise on Earth,

yet they haven't won a Super Bowl.

673

29:56 ,205 --> 00:29:56,595

Oh yeah.

674

29:56 ,655 --> 00:29:58,695

Didn't the Panthers come out

right about the same time?

675

29:58 ,695 --> 00:29:59,835

Didn't they start same year?

676

29:59 ,835 --> 00:30:00,885

Yeah, they came out the same

677

30:00 ,885 --> 00:30:01,485

Asher Grodman: time,

678

30:01 ,545 --> 00:30:03,615

Marc Preston: but, uh,

Jaguars were a lot cooler.

679

30:03 ,825 --> 00:30:04,155

Okay.

680

30:04 ,155 --> 00:30:04,305

Yeah.

681

30:04 ,305 --> 00:30:07,785

'cause the uniform, of course you

did this video and I, it looks

682

30:07 ,785 --> 00:30:08,835

like it got a lot of attention.

683

30:08 ,835 --> 00:30:10,274

I, I get to go, where is it?

684

30:10 ,274 --> 00:30:11,325

Where can I go see this?

685

30:11 ,325 --> 00:30:12,285

'cause I really, oh, it's a

686

30:12 ,285 --> 00:30:15,615

Asher Grodman: very easy Google,

just Google, it was written or

687

30:15 ,675 --> 00:30:17,715

Jaguars schedule release video.

688

30:17 ,805 --> 00:30:20,355

Uh, it was the 2023

schedule release video.

689

30:20 ,745 --> 00:30:24,345

Um, yes, it's very, it is easily

accessible on the interwebs.

690

30:24 ,615 --> 00:30:28,035

Um, and yeah, it had this

kind of wild, um, moment.

691

30:28 ,035 --> 00:30:29,835

'cause it was, no one had

really ever done it before.

692

30:29 ,835 --> 00:30:34,545

And, and I don't think anyone had ever

really, it, it's not that players hadn't

693

30:34 ,545 --> 00:30:38,175

been in them before they had, but.

694

30:38 ,594 --> 00:30:43,215

There was never a, uh, no one had

ever done a thing where there was that

695

30:43 ,215 --> 00:30:44,985

much access for one of these videos.

696

30:45 ,764 --> 00:30:50,205

Um, and as you know, you're a sports

fan, um, you don't really get access

697

30:50 ,205 --> 00:30:52,245

to these guys, their personalities.

698

30:52 ,274 --> 00:30:53,834

There, there is still an elements.

699

30:53 ,834 --> 00:30:57,584

It's the whole, like, they got brand

building all, you know, they're

700

30:57 ,584 --> 00:31:00,104

al they're always mindful of that.

701

31:00 ,284 --> 00:31:01,844

It's always very like clean cut.

702

31:01 ,844 --> 00:31:06,225

And, and so the, what was I think unique

about what we did is that you really

703

31:06 ,225 --> 00:31:12,014

got a chance to get to know these guys

because you saw them playing make believe.

704

31:13 ,004 --> 00:31:15,524

Um, and so you got to see

a different side of them.

705

31:15 ,524 --> 00:31:18,879

And that goes for the players

and the owner and the coach and,

706

31:18 ,885 --> 00:31:20,084

and people in the organization.

707

31:20 ,084 --> 00:31:24,375

Like, so everyone was kind

of clowning a little bit.

708

31:24 ,584 --> 00:31:24,675

Mm-hmm.

709

31:24 ,915 --> 00:31:28,455

And then on top of that, the fact that

everyone was involved and everyone

710

31:28 ,455 --> 00:31:33,945

was down to be part of it, I think

it, it, it was just a unique thing

711

31:34 ,125 --> 00:31:36,735

for an organization like that to, to.

712

31:37 ,590 --> 00:31:40,920

You know, all these big companies

have different departments and

713

31:40 ,920 --> 00:31:42,180

usually they don't talk to each other.

714

31:42 ,420 --> 00:31:47,340

But the Jaguars do have a kind of

small town, very family based vibe.

715

31:47 ,730 --> 00:31:49,500

And so I think that is

reflected in the video.

716

31:49 ,500 --> 00:31:51,870

So then when it came out, people

were kind of like, wow, how,

717

31:52 ,110 --> 00:31:53,520

how is this even possible?

718

31:53 ,550 --> 00:31:56,010

'cause you wouldn't think an NFL

team would be able to do this,

719

31:56 ,310 --> 00:31:59,100

but it was something unique to the

Jaguars and their vibe that allowed

720

31:59 ,100 --> 00:32:00,090

Marc Preston: for this to happen.

721

32:00 ,420 --> 00:32:02,850

A lot of things in the NFL, probably

more than any other professional

722

32:02 ,850 --> 00:32:07,110

sport, is very theatrical and staged

and, you know, at every level.

723

32:07 ,170 --> 00:32:07,320

Yes.

724

32:07 ,410 --> 00:32:10,410

And this seems to be a little

bit more gorilla, a little bit

725

32:10 ,410 --> 00:32:12,780

more, uh, freeform as it were.

726

32:12 ,780 --> 00:32:16,740

So it's probably, this was fun for

them because this is not something that

727

32:16 ,800 --> 00:32:18,360

they get to that, that they get to do.

728

32:18 ,570 --> 00:32:19,620

You know, usually

729

32:19 ,950 --> 00:32:22,139

Asher Grodman: gorilla is

a, actually a great word.

730

32:22 ,139 --> 00:32:25,425

'cause it's a word we used a lot in

the, in the making of this thing that,

731

32:25 ,530 --> 00:32:29,580

that we wanted something that was

a little grit or a little more like

732

32:29 ,580 --> 00:32:32,040

it, the whole thing was scripted,

but a little more improvisational.

733

32:32 ,100 --> 00:32:34,050

You know, it, it, it's

an irony of course, that.

734

32:35 ,205 --> 00:32:40,095

WW through making a scripted

video, we were able to tap

735

32:40 ,095 --> 00:32:44,685

into a, uh, um, what is it?

736

32:44 ,685 --> 00:32:48,165

Something very genuine,

uh, about these guys.

737

32:48 Winning Awards and Recognition

32:48 ,585 --> 00:32:55,305

And, um, and then from that, the video

went on, like it won an award at Tribeca.

738

32:55 ,785 --> 00:32:57,525

It won an award at Cam.

739

32:57 ,585 --> 00:32:59,625

Like it's just, it was just,

see, that's what I thought.

740

32:59 ,625 --> 00:33:00,315

I was like, wait a minute,

741

33:00 ,315 --> 00:33:03,075

Marc Preston: this thing won something

at can, you know, it got noticed there.

742

33:03 ,075 --> 00:33:04,575

Like, yeah, I gotta check this out.

743

33:05 ,865 --> 00:33:08,565

Well, did you, were the players,

were they any of the players

744

33:08 ,565 --> 00:33:10,365

fans of, of, uh, ghosts?

745

33:10 ,815 --> 00:33:13,425

Uh, were they aware,

were they dialed in or,

746

33:13 ,755 --> 00:33:18,645

Asher Grodman: well, everyone, everyone

who was involved knew at least to, I

747

33:18 ,645 --> 00:33:24,795

would imagine knew at least to some

extent, uh, where I had come from and,

748

33:24 ,855 --> 00:33:27,405

and that I was from the, this TV world.

749

33:27 ,585 --> 00:33:29,595

So whether they had seen the

show or not, they knew that.

750

33:30 ,149 --> 00:33:35,399

They knew that they were, I think that was

kind of part of the thing of, of coming in

751

33:35 ,399 --> 00:33:39,719

with a script and coming in with this idea

and, and them being able to step into a

752

33:39 ,719 --> 00:33:41,790

space that may not have been their space.

753

33:41 ,820 --> 00:33:42,899

'cause they live in this football.

754

33:42 ,899 --> 00:33:46,409

The, of course they're used to

people watching them, but stepping

755

33:46 ,409 --> 00:33:48,419

into a kind of narrative space.

756

33:48 ,449 --> 00:33:52,350

And the fact that I was on the show

probably helped convince people

757

33:52 ,350 --> 00:33:58,409

and, and helped, uh, me in, in

creating a, a safe environment.

758

33:58 ,620 --> 00:33:58,770

Yeah.

759

33:58 ,770 --> 00:33:59,610

Or they kind of, they could

760

33:59 ,610 --> 00:34:02,129

Marc Preston: trust that, that, that

this is an ecosystem they're not familiar

761

34:02 ,129 --> 00:34:03,719

with, but they know, you know it.

762

34:03 ,719 --> 00:34:05,610

And that you're looking out for,

they know that I know what I'm

763

34:05 ,610 --> 00:34:05,790

Asher Grodman: doing.

764

34:06 ,090 --> 00:34:07,020

Marc Preston: Yeah, yeah.

765

34:07 Auditioning for Ghosts

34:07 ,020 --> 00:34:07,021

Yeah.

766

34:07 ,260 --> 00:34:10,440

So how did, how did Ghost come along

to you, by the way, was this something

767

34:10 ,440 --> 00:34:14,190

that, was it a law, was it a long process

of, because when you're working an

768

34:14 ,190 --> 00:34:18,870

ensemble with a show like this, I'm sure

it's a process or was it pretty quick?

769

34:18 ,960 --> 00:34:22,049

You know, they knew they wanted

you, you wanted it, you know.

770

34:22 ,330 --> 00:34:25,600

Asher Grodman: Um, well, um,

nothing is ever as quick as

771

34:25 ,600 --> 00:34:27,160

you, as you'd like it to be.

772

34:27 ,250 --> 00:34:31,630

Um, the, to be honest with you,

like I had been doing auditioning

773

34:31 ,630 --> 00:34:32,920

for pilots my whole life.

774

34:32 ,950 --> 00:34:33,850

I never got one.

775

34:34 ,480 --> 00:34:37,840

And I remember auditioning for this

and at the same time, like auditioning

776

34:37 ,840 --> 00:34:42,820

for, uh, like a guest star on Blue

Bloods or something, and really only

777

34:42 ,820 --> 00:34:45,430

caring about the Blue Bloods guest star.

778

34:45 ,460 --> 00:34:47,080

'cause I was like, no one gets a pilot.

779

34:47 ,200 --> 00:34:48,100

This doesn't happen.

780

34:48 ,100 --> 00:34:48,955

It's like winning the lottery.

781

34:48 ,955 --> 00:34:49,315

Mm-hmm.

782

34:49 ,395 --> 00:34:50,140

Like, what's the point?

783

34:51 ,040 --> 00:34:53,740

Um, and I was very wrong in that.

784

34:53 ,830 --> 00:34:59,650

Um, but, uh, I remember, so there

were two auditions that I did in the

785

34:59 ,650 --> 00:35:01,150

day that I auditioned for ghosts.

786

35:01 ,420 --> 00:35:04,480

Um, I won't mention the name of

the other project, but the other

787

35:04 ,480 --> 00:35:08,260

project was for the person casting.

788

35:08 ,260 --> 00:35:11,470

It had been someone I hadn't

seen in like a decade.

789

35:11 ,860 --> 00:35:18,100

And when I was younger had said something

to the, was basically like he can't act.

790

35:18 ,915 --> 00:35:22,365

You know, um, and, and it had gotten,

he was like, don't send him back.

791

35:22 ,365 --> 00:35:22,575

Here.

792

35:22 ,575 --> 00:35:23,505

He is, he is not good.

793

35:24 ,105 --> 00:35:27,645

And I, I was aware of that and

it like, killed me for years.

794

35:28 ,095 --> 00:35:32,055

And the audition I had right before

Ghost was for that same casting director.

795

35:32 ,775 --> 00:35:36,825

So it's the first time I was gonna see

them since that really bad experience.

796

35:37 ,335 --> 00:35:40,995

So it meant a lot to me,

uh, to do well on that.

797

35:40 ,995 --> 00:35:43,065

And I think they were running, like,

I, I think I was waiting like an

798

35:43 ,065 --> 00:35:44,595

hour and a half for that audition.

799

35:45 ,105 --> 00:35:50,985

Um, and uh, I went in and did

it, uh, and it went very well.

800

35:50 ,985 --> 00:35:56,835

And the guy was like, oh wow, you okay,

you've changed or you know, whatever.

801

35:56 ,985 --> 00:35:58,935

I can't remember what he said, but

something, it's something where

802

35:58 ,935 --> 00:36:02,655

I walked out of the room and I

was like a, that monkey's all.

803

36:02 ,715 --> 00:36:03,075

Now, did he

804

36:03 ,075 --> 00:36:05,745

Marc Preston: remember you, I mean,

did he remember from the decade earlier

805

36:05 ,745 --> 00:36:07,155

you had actually auditioned before?

806

36:08 ,490 --> 00:36:11,040

Asher Grodman: Yeah, he m the casting

people have a very good memory.

807

36:11 ,100 --> 00:36:12,000

It's kind of, yeah, that's one,

808

36:12 ,060 --> 00:36:14,070

Marc Preston: that's one thing it's

tell my voiceover students, I always say

809

36:14 ,070 --> 00:36:18,240

that the people doing casting agents,

they remember if you just light the

810

36:18 ,240 --> 00:36:22,830

world on fire and they also remember if

you stink up the room in between, the

811

36:22 ,830 --> 00:36:24,630

memory may not be as good, you know?

812

36:24 ,630 --> 00:36:25,035

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

813

36:25 ,155 --> 00:36:25,275

I

814

36:25 ,275 --> 00:36:27,210

Asher Grodman: mean, it might have

been, I think I might've been in high

815

36:27 ,210 --> 00:36:32,160

school the last time, so maybe even like

more than a decade over, closer to two

816

36:32 ,160 --> 00:36:36,750

decades when I was, um, uh, in there,

um, now this was the project, this was

817

36:36 ,750 --> 00:36:37,860

Marc Preston: the other project besides

818

36:37 ,860 --> 00:36:38,220

Asher Grodman: Ghost

819

36:38 ,220 --> 00:36:38,850

Marc Preston: is what you

were referring this, the other

820

36:38 ,850 --> 00:36:39,240

Asher Grodman: project.

821

36:39 ,390 --> 00:36:39,720

Okay.

822

36:39 ,810 --> 00:36:42,510

So, needless to say, I'm walking

outta this thing and I'm feeling like,

823

36:42 ,570 --> 00:36:44,490

oh, I'm, I'm breathing fresh air.

824

36:44 ,490 --> 00:36:45,270

I'm feeling great.

825

36:45 The Unique Concept of Ghosts

36:45 ,810 --> 00:36:51,420

Um, and then Ghost was, was very unique

because I, I read it obviously, and when

826

36:51 ,420 --> 00:36:53,195

I read it I was like, this is brilliant.

827

36:53 ,295 --> 00:36:53,715

Mm-hmm.

828

36:53 ,825 --> 00:36:56,280

This is, the writing is so specific.

829

36:56 ,670 --> 00:36:59,010

Each of these characters

have specific voices.

830

36:59 ,010 --> 00:37:03,390

The concepts for the show was like

a once in a generation concept

831

37:03 ,390 --> 00:37:06,780

because it, it's, it's so funny.

832

37:07 ,455 --> 00:37:13,274

It's so, um, uh, unexpected and

has this fresh point of view, and

833

37:13 ,274 --> 00:37:16,785

yet it's very, very, um, relatable.

834

37:16 ,964 --> 00:37:17,895

I know that sounds crazy.

835

37:17 ,895 --> 00:37:20,835

It's a bunch of ghosts, you know, living

in a house, but it's relatable in the

836

37:20 ,835 --> 00:37:26,205

sense that we're, it, it is a comedy

about death and it makes death, which

837

37:26 ,234 --> 00:37:29,714

is something that you, you of course is

something that none of us can fathom.

838

37:30 ,825 --> 00:37:33,285

Suddenly sound boring.

839

37:33 ,795 --> 00:37:33,884

Mm-hmm.

840

37:34 ,125 --> 00:37:35,024

And mundane.

841

37:35 ,265 --> 00:37:38,895

And so suddenly things that

are inaccessible are, are.

842

37:40 ,080 --> 00:37:41,520

Exceedingly accessible.

843

37:41 ,940 --> 00:37:46,980

So it was just something fresh that I had

never experienced before on, on the page.

844

37:47 ,580 --> 00:37:50,250

And uh, I remember

thinking, this thing works.

845

37:50 ,310 --> 00:37:53,850

I just have to get outta the way

and let it, and let it really sing.

846

37:54 ,030 --> 00:37:56,580

The only thing that I tried to add

to it a little bit is a little bit

847

37:56 ,580 --> 00:38:02,580

of like a puppy ish quality for this

guy, Trevor, because I didn't want,

848

38:02 ,910 --> 00:38:08,190

I was, I didn't want it to be kind

of a OneNote, like just douchey vibe.

849

38:08 ,430 --> 00:38:14,520

Um, and so, um, I show up to this audition

for ghosts an hour and a half late.

850

38:14 ,550 --> 00:38:16,080

'cause I was held up with the other one.

851

38:16 ,080 --> 00:38:19,980

They were running so far behind

and I got into the room and, um.

852

38:21 ,015 --> 00:38:24,435

Uh, the only people in the

room in the waiting room.

853

38:24 ,435 --> 00:38:30,795

It was, uh, me, uh, Alexander Chaplin,

um, and, uh, who's a great actor,

854

38:30 ,975 --> 00:38:34,154

and Josh Molina, who's also a great

actor and is a, uh, was on the West

855

38:34 ,154 --> 00:38:35,325

Wing, which is my favorite show.

856

38:35 ,805 --> 00:38:40,125

And so I took that as a little, a little

sign of, of Kismet or something like that.

857

38:40 ,125 --> 00:38:40,125

Mm-hmm.

858

38:40 ,299 --> 00:38:45,105

Um, and went in and did this audition,

had a blast, and then probably heard

859

38:45 ,194 --> 00:38:50,295

like a week later that they, I was

the choice, which was insane to hear.

860

38:50 ,835 --> 00:38:57,884

Um, and then waited a bit longer for them

to find someone else to test me against.

861

38:58 ,035 --> 00:38:58,904

Yeah, I was gonna ask you

862

38:58 ,904 --> 00:39:01,455

Marc Preston: with an ensemble, I mean,

it would seem like that at some point,

863

39:01 ,455 --> 00:39:02,595

you've gotta get in the room with.

864

39:02 ,895 --> 00:39:06,944

Other people you're gonna be, uh, I mean

every scene I've seen the show so far.

865

39:07 ,185 --> 00:39:08,234

You're always with somebody.

866

39:08 ,234 --> 00:39:11,355

Rarely are you just kind of by your, well,

there was one, well you, I think the one

867

39:11 ,355 --> 00:39:15,105

thing I did see you were trying to knock

a vase over or whatever and you were

868

39:15 ,105 --> 00:39:18,645

just like, I was like, it was, it was,

and the frustration of trying to like,

869

39:18 ,645 --> 00:39:19,785

I'm a ghost, I can't knock this over.

870

39:19 ,785 --> 00:39:23,174

But, so, but everything else I've seen,

there's, the interactions are what

871

39:23 ,174 --> 00:39:24,404

kind of what make it funny, you know?

872

39:24 ,435 --> 00:39:25,185

'cause you have people.

873

39:25 ,214 --> 00:39:25,305

Yeah.

874

39:25 ,339 --> 00:39:29,895

The, the premise again for folks who have

had the opportunity to check it out, it's

875

39:29 ,895 --> 00:39:34,964

basically everybody is from different

eras, time genre they had and that.

876

39:35 ,475 --> 00:39:37,575

When they died, they were

kinda locked in that spot.

877

39:37 ,575 --> 00:39:40,334

But I never understood your character.

878

39:40 ,334 --> 00:39:41,955

Why you didn't have pants on?

879

39:41 ,955 --> 00:39:43,200

I don't know if I haven't

gotten to that point yet.

880

39:43 ,200 --> 00:39:43,399

Um,

881

39:44 ,020 --> 00:39:45,854

Asher Grodman: you have to

get to the end of season one.

882

39:46 ,334 --> 00:39:46,634

Okay.

883

39:46 ,634 --> 00:39:47,024

I got

884

39:47 ,714 --> 00:39:50,984

Marc Preston: But when you die dealt,

when you die, you didn't have pants on.

885

39:50 ,984 --> 00:39:51,794

And that's kind of the thing.

886

39:51 ,794 --> 00:39:54,975

So the way you died is the way

you perpetuate and to eternity.

887

39:54 ,975 --> 00:39:55,004

Okay.

888

39:55 ,004 --> 00:39:55,125

Yes.

889

39:55 ,575 --> 00:39:59,444

Asher Grodman: But the, the idea of the,

the show is that, is that, um, you are

890

39:59 ,444 --> 00:40:01,875

forever in the state in which you died.

891

40:02 ,055 --> 00:40:02,145

Mm-hmm.

892

40:02 ,384 --> 00:40:05,595

Which leads lends itself

to a lot of very funny, um.

893

40:06 ,180 --> 00:40:10,799

Uh, snapshots and into, into different

people and their personalities.

894

40:11 ,339 --> 00:40:14,129

Um, but, but yeah, but, and you're right.

895

40:14 ,220 --> 00:40:16,230

Uh, yes.

896

40:16 The Casting Process and Table Read

40:16 ,230 --> 00:40:18,299

They had to get us together

before that even happened.

897

40:18 ,330 --> 00:40:21,870

The way you, you do that, that studio

network test that I was describing

898

40:21 ,870 --> 00:40:24,930

earlier is that they always wanna

send multiple people to the studio

899

40:24 ,930 --> 00:40:28,259

or the network so that the studio,

the network can say no to someone.

900

40:28 ,305 --> 00:40:28,725

Mm-hmm.

901

40:28 ,805 --> 00:40:32,009

So you don't ever send just the guy

you like or the person you like,

902

40:32 ,009 --> 00:40:34,620

'cause they're just gonna probably

say no, you give them options.

903

40:34 ,620 --> 00:40:37,770

So I kind of waited around for a

few weeks for 'em to find someone

904

40:37 ,770 --> 00:40:40,440

else to be sent in with me.

905

40:40 ,440 --> 00:40:43,109

And as an actor who's, you know, on the

precipice of having a dream job, you're

906

40:43 ,109 --> 00:40:45,120

like, no, don't find someone else.

907

40:46 ,560 --> 00:40:47,400

You do me.

908

40:47 ,850 --> 00:40:48,540

Um, so.

909

40:51 ,555 --> 00:40:57,645

And, uh, I just tried to do as many

put out, you know, good, good vibes.

910

40:57 ,705 --> 00:41:00,884

Uh, did a, did a lot of favors

for everyone in my life,

911

41:00 ,884 --> 00:41:01,995

hoping the universe will,

912

41:02 ,654 --> 00:41:03,525

Marc Preston: you're

looking for the good car.

913

41:03 ,765 --> 00:41:04,065

Yeah.

914

41:04 ,305 --> 00:41:06,825

I said, I know, uh, with Rose

MacGyver being in that, she

915

41:06 ,825 --> 00:41:08,234

was so good in that show.

916

41:08 ,234 --> 00:41:09,375

Uh, I was it Isaac?

917

41:09 ,375 --> 00:41:09,435

Yeah.

918

41:10 ,190 --> 00:41:11,025

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

919

41:11 ,174 --> 00:41:12,045

She's amazing.

920

41:12 ,345 --> 00:41:13,755

Asher Grodman: But, but to

get to your point that you,

921

41:13 ,755 --> 00:41:15,255

you brought up earlier Yes.

922

41:15 ,255 --> 00:41:19,904

What, eventually what happens when, when

I got the, the job is they fly everyone

923

41:19 ,904 --> 00:41:24,404

out to LA and that they fly the cast out.

924

41:24 ,404 --> 00:41:27,855

And so what happens then is the table

read and table reads are kind of

925

41:27 ,855 --> 00:41:35,444

notorious for feeling like it's the

first step of the new chapter, but are

926

41:35 ,444 --> 00:41:40,515

really kind of the last step of the

previous chapter because invariably

927

41:41 ,025 --> 00:41:42,884

someone gets fired at a table read.

928

41:43 ,335 --> 00:41:43,515

Yeah.

929

41:43 ,785 --> 00:41:44,835

It's the last chapter of the

930

41:44 ,835 --> 00:41:45,615

Marc Preston: audition book.

931

41:45 ,765 --> 00:41:46,065

Yeah.

932

41:46 ,125 --> 00:41:46,725

Asher Grodman: Yes.

933

41:47 ,085 --> 00:41:50,384

So it it's everyone on the

business side seeing everyone.

934

41:50 ,759 --> 00:41:51,930

Together for the first time.

935

41:52 ,259 --> 00:41:56,370

And so we had this week in LA to do

the table read for this thing where we

936

41:56 ,370 --> 00:41:57,600

thought it was gonna be on a Monday.

937

41:58 ,230 --> 00:42:00,690

So we all showed up on the Monday

and they were like, oh, no, no,

938

42:00 ,690 --> 00:42:01,379

we're not gonna do it today.

939

42:01 ,379 --> 00:42:01,950

We'll do it tomorrow.

940

42:03 ,240 --> 00:42:03,569

Okay.

941

42:04 ,020 --> 00:42:05,069

We all show up on the Tuesday.

942

42:05 ,069 --> 00:42:06,330

No, no, no, actually we're

not gonna do it today.

943

42:06 ,330 --> 00:42:06,990

We'll do it tomorrow.

944

42:08 ,069 --> 00:42:08,669

Okay.

945

42:09 ,839 --> 00:42:10,680

Show up Wednesday.

946

42:10 ,685 --> 00:42:11,879

No, no, no, you know, we're gonna do it.

947

42:11 ,879 --> 00:42:12,660

We'll do it on Thursday.

948

42:12 ,660 --> 00:42:14,220

And they kept, get pushed

and pushed and pushed.

949

42:14 The Impact of COVID-19

42:14 ,220 --> 00:42:19,950

And meanwhile, over the course of

this week, this is March of 2020, so

950

42:19 ,950 --> 00:42:22,109

oh, the NBA shuts down on Wednesday.

951

42:22 ,710 --> 00:42:26,759

And, uh, I can't remember, I

think Tom Hanks gets, is covid

952

42:26 ,759 --> 00:42:28,259

positive on, oh God, I forgot about

953

42:28 ,259 --> 00:42:28,529

Marc Preston: that.

954

42:28 ,595 --> 00:42:30,509

I, I think I've tried to

forget about a lot of that.

955

42:30 ,930 --> 00:42:31,109

Yeah.

956

42:31 ,109 --> 00:42:34,259

Tom Hanks was sort of like, he's

like a Forrest Gump gets it.

957

42:34 ,710 --> 00:42:35,640

Any of us can get it.

958

42:35 ,700 --> 00:42:36,540

Asher Grodman: Any of us can get it.

959

42:36 ,540 --> 00:42:37,049

That's right.

960

42:37 ,049 --> 00:42:37,589

That's right.

961

42:37 ,890 --> 00:42:41,069

And so as they're, they keep pushing it

and we're all dealing with the stress

962

42:41 ,069 --> 00:42:42,509

of this table read eventually happening.

963

42:42 ,960 --> 00:42:45,000

Um, eventually we do the

table read on a Friday.

964

42:45 ,930 --> 00:42:49,170

We get through it, everyone keeps

their jobs, which is amazing.

965

42:49 ,170 --> 00:42:49,650

A miracle.

966

42:49 ,650 --> 00:42:50,160

Amazing.

967

42:50 ,640 --> 00:42:56,130

Um, and then we found out like, I

think 20 minutes after that, uh, as

968

42:56 ,130 --> 00:42:59,310

we were having lunch that, um, no,

we're gonna shut everything down.

969

42:59 ,400 --> 00:43:01,560

And at the time they were like, oh,

we'll see you in a couple weeks.

970

43:01 ,920 --> 00:43:05,310

Uh, and I think we all knew deep down

that wasn't gonna be the case and it

971

43:05 ,310 --> 00:43:10,410

wouldn't be, it would be a full calendar

year from that moment over more than a

972

43:10 ,410 --> 00:43:14,040

year until we were picked up for series.

973

43:14 ,190 --> 00:43:14,370

Mm-hmm.

974

43:14 ,970 --> 00:43:18,840

Marc Preston: How does that feel for you

to be on something that is, you know,

975

43:18 ,870 --> 00:43:21,690

'cause in the, in the movie world, you're

on different project every few months.

976

43:21 ,690 --> 00:43:21,750

Yeah.

977

43:22 ,755 --> 00:43:26,310

Was there a preference for you to like,

Hey, I, I like the, it's, I wanna say

978

43:26 ,310 --> 00:43:30,300

security is, that's not it, but the,

the, the rhythm and the thing, it's

979

43:30 ,300 --> 00:43:31,380

Asher Grodman: security that,

980

43:31 ,380 --> 00:43:31,800

Marc Preston: that exists.

981

43:32 ,490 --> 00:43:32,880

Yes.

982

43:32 ,880 --> 00:43:33,780

For, well, sure.

983

43:33 ,990 --> 00:43:36,660

That goes without saying, but is

it something that you're looking at

984

43:36 ,660 --> 00:43:39,510

going, you know what, this is cool.

985

43:39 ,510 --> 00:43:42,330

You get to go, you get to

be with the same people.

986

43:42 ,330 --> 00:43:44,280

You get to, you know, and it's, uh.

987

43:45 ,150 --> 00:43:48,210

You know, you get to

really explore this guy.

988

43:48 ,660 --> 00:43:52,350

Uh, or, or is it kind of like, or do you,

or do you enjoy the more theatrical thing

989

43:52 ,350 --> 00:43:53,759

you're on a picture for a few months?

990

43:53 ,759 --> 00:43:55,560

Or is there even a preference there?

991

43:58 ,170 --> 00:44:00,360

Asher Grodman: I think everyone

really wants balance, right?

992

44:00 ,360 --> 00:44:07,410

But what is special about this is, um,

the idea of having any job that lasts for

993

44:07 ,680 --> 00:44:13,380

a few months, much less than, much less

six years potentially, um, is pretty rare.

994

44:13 ,380 --> 00:44:18,840

And so you, you always would say

yes to that, especially considering

995

44:19 ,650 --> 00:44:22,410

the, the concept of this show.

996

44:22 The Ensemble Cast and Collaboration

44:22 ,410 --> 00:44:28,350

And even more than that, the people,

uh, in this cast and in the, the group

997

44:28 ,350 --> 00:44:32,400

of people who make this our crew,

um, it, if this, if this were the

998

44:32 ,400 --> 00:44:36,540

kind of show we're going to work was

like, oh, I just gotta get through it.

999

44:36 ,630 --> 00:44:38,310

Um, it'd be, it would be rough.

1000

44:38 ,549 --> 00:44:42,240

Um, but instead we have this,

and I don't know how we got this.

1001

44:42 ,240 --> 00:44:43,259

Lucky, I don't know.

1002

44:43 ,950 --> 00:44:45,270

How it worked this way.

1003

44:45 ,720 --> 00:44:52,020

But everyone in the show is super humble

and we really have this ensemble vibe.

1004

44:52 ,259 --> 00:44:55,500

The thing that I always point to

is, you know, we, what happens a

1005

44:55 ,500 --> 00:44:58,410

lot on a film set is you go in, you

do your block blocking rehearsal.

1006

44:58 ,740 --> 00:45:01,440

So you go in, you block

scene with the director.

1007

45:01 ,620 --> 00:45:04,770

There's not much in the way of,

of a ton of creativity in this.

1008

45:04 ,770 --> 00:45:06,150

You're just kind of like figuring it out.

1009

45:06 ,154 --> 00:45:06,255

Mm-hmm.

1010

45:06 ,335 --> 00:45:10,560

You're working out the kinks and um, and

then you leave and most people kind of

1011

45:10 ,560 --> 00:45:13,380

go off into their own areas On shows.

1012

45:14 ,100 --> 00:45:18,600

On our show, we go back and the whole

cast gets together and starts reading.

1013

45:18 ,975 --> 00:45:21,765

And starts playing and

starts figuring out moments.

1014

45:22 ,185 --> 00:45:25,065

And that's very unique for a show.

1015

45:25 ,155 --> 00:45:28,515

It's very unique that people are that

detail oriented and care that much

1016

45:28 ,515 --> 00:45:30,884

and enjoy being around each other.

1017

45:30 ,915 --> 00:45:35,295

Like, we'll go, we'll go rap after

seven months of, of shooting and

1018

45:35 ,295 --> 00:45:37,995

it's gonna be a matter of days before

the phone starts ringing again.

1019

45:37 ,995 --> 00:45:41,850

And we're chatting with each other

and, and checking in and you know,

1020

45:41 ,985 --> 00:45:43,245

and starting to miss each other.

1021

45:43 ,485 --> 00:45:43,665

Marc Preston: So I

1022

45:43 ,665 --> 00:45:44,715

Asher Grodman: think

it's very cool because

1023

45:44 ,715 --> 00:45:47,955

Marc Preston: like they say, you

know, TV's a a writer's medium,

1024

45:47 ,955 --> 00:45:49,725

whereas movies are director's medium.

1025

45:49 ,725 --> 00:45:51,405

So, you know, you're

rotating in directors.

1026

45:51 ,705 --> 00:45:53,775

And I always thought, you know, once

you've been doing a character for so

1027

45:53 ,775 --> 00:45:58,035

long, so many episodes, uh, so many

seasons, it's sort of like you know him.

1028

45:58 ,155 --> 00:46:00,585

Are you at the point now where if

something comes up in a script,

1029

46:00 ,855 --> 00:46:02,145

do you ever give feedback?

1030

46:02 ,145 --> 00:46:05,865

Like, I don't know if I'd say it or maybe,

what can we do you have more creative

1031

46:05 ,865 --> 00:46:10,155

input now that you've kind of been in his,

I was gonna say, in his pants or shoes?

1032

46:10 ,155 --> 00:46:10,455

Well.

1033

46:10 ,920 --> 00:46:13,260

Uh, you've been wearing whatever

attire you've been wearing.

1034

46:13 ,260 --> 00:46:13,560

Yeah,

1035

46:14 ,100 --> 00:46:14,730

Asher Grodman: that's right.

1036

46:14 ,730 --> 00:46:15,240

That's right.

1037

46:15 ,330 --> 00:46:19,050

Um, do I, I guess more

so than in the beginning.

1038

46:19 ,050 --> 00:46:22,500

And I think our, our writers do,

they will occasionally reach out and

1039

46:22 ,500 --> 00:46:23,550

be like, what do you think of this?

1040

46:23 ,550 --> 00:46:26,220

You know, um, or they'll let

us in on stuff a little more.

1041

46:26 ,550 --> 00:46:31,560

And I think all of us kind of, for the

most part, we, we will trust the writers.

1042

46:31 ,590 --> 00:46:35,340

'cause it is a writer's medium and,

and our, our writer's room and our

1043

46:35 ,340 --> 00:46:37,320

showrunners do a really great job.

1044

46:37 ,890 --> 00:46:43,080

Um, uh, but occasionally there'll

be something where as the years have

1045

46:43 ,080 --> 00:46:47,370

gone by and, and, you know, uh, and

you get more and more comfortable and

1046

46:47 ,370 --> 00:46:52,560

you get more and more, uh, I guess, I

guess the character comes into focus

1047

46:52 ,560 --> 00:46:57,270

more, that I'll, I'll throw an idea

out or I'll say, Hey, I saw this.

1048

46:57 ,270 --> 00:46:58,350

What do you think about this?

1049

46:58 ,440 --> 00:47:01,410

Um, but again, it's.

1050

47:01 ,410 --> 00:47:04,440

It, it's more of a comfort

level and it's a, you know,

1051

47:04 ,440 --> 00:47:05,850

it's, it's starting a dialogue.

1052

47:06 ,240 --> 00:47:07,920

Um, 'cause at the end of the

day, you're absolutely right.

1053

47:07 ,920 --> 00:47:13,350

It is a writer's medium and, uh,

especially with how fast it goes.

1054

47:13 ,649 --> 00:47:16,589

'cause there are days, uh, especially

in the back half of the season that

1055

47:16 ,589 --> 00:47:20,129

we're getting scripts the night

before, the morning of, and we shoot

1056

47:20 ,129 --> 00:47:24,180

it in Montreal, or writers in are in

la So sometimes it's even just like

1057

47:24 ,180 --> 00:47:25,440

a logistical thing, like mm-hmm.

1058

47:25 ,710 --> 00:47:27,690

People are not awake when

other people are working.

1059

47:28 ,140 --> 00:47:35,069

Um, and so you just kind of, uh, you

put your best, your best idea forward

1060

47:35 ,069 --> 00:47:36,569

and, and you, you make it work.

1061

47:36 ,569 --> 00:47:41,580

But, um, yeah, it's, it's certainly

whatever's on the page is our North Star.

1062

47:41 ,879 --> 00:47:41,970

Mm-hmm.

1063

47:42 ,210 --> 00:47:44,490

We're trying to bring that

to life as best we can.

1064

47:44 ,879 --> 00:47:48,960

Um, so yeah, we're lucky in,

in, in that the door is open

1065

47:48 ,960 --> 00:47:50,009

for that kind of collaboration.

1066

47:50 ,009 --> 00:47:53,520

But for the most part, you said

it best, it is a writer's medium.

1067

48:00 The Seven Questions

48:00 ,779 --> 00:48:02,220

Marc Preston: We've, uh,

reached that point to where I

1068

48:02 ,220 --> 00:48:03,900

always hit my seven questions.

1069

48:04 ,319 --> 00:48:05,460

Just a little extra fun.

1070

48:05 ,460 --> 00:48:08,460

I throw out it's, everybody

gets them same questions, just

1071

48:08 ,460 --> 00:48:09,540

like to have a little extra fun.

1072

48:09 ,540 --> 00:48:12,509

And you mentioned before you were

shooting in Montreal, so I, you know,

1073

48:12 ,540 --> 00:48:13,860

'cause I always wanna talk about food.

1074

48:13 ,860 --> 00:48:14,310

Montreal.

1075

48:14 ,310 --> 00:48:15,270

Was it, or is Toronto?

1076

48:15 ,420 --> 00:48:19,770

Ah, one of the two has like a good,

some good unique Canadian deli stuff.

1077

48:19 ,770 --> 00:48:22,980

So I'm in a place where we don't have

a Jewish deli, which my heart breaks.

1078

48:22 ,980 --> 00:48:23,040

Wow.

1079

48:23 ,040 --> 00:48:26,009

But I do know how to make my own

locks, so we're kind of there.

1080

48:26 ,460 --> 00:48:26,670

Very nice.

1081

48:27 ,270 --> 00:48:28,650

But I always talk a little food.

1082

48:28 ,650 --> 00:48:32,970

First question I always ask is,

what is your favorite comfort food?

1083

48:33 ,029 --> 00:48:36,420

That one thing that, uh, kind of bad day.

1084

48:36 ,420 --> 00:48:36,839

Good day.

1085

48:36 ,839 --> 00:48:38,190

You just, it just makes you feel good.

1086

48:39 ,690 --> 00:48:42,660

Asher Grodman: Mine's this is,

this is, uh, well I don't think

1087

48:42 ,660 --> 00:48:45,360

anyone will have said this before,

so there's that, but it's probably

1088

48:45 ,360 --> 00:48:46,620

not the answer you're looking for.

1089

48:47 ,190 --> 00:48:55,140

Um, uh, I, a green apple covered

in caramel brings me so much joy.

1090

48:56 ,045 --> 00:48:59,850

Uh, I cannot begin to express

it, but it has to be agreement.

1091

48:59 ,850 --> 00:49:00,985

It has to be a Randy Smith apple.

1092

49:00 ,985 --> 00:49:01,530

I say Apple This,

1093

49:01 ,590 --> 00:49:04,470

Marc Preston: I will say this, growing up

in Dallas, Texas State Fair, the little

1094

49:04 ,470 --> 00:49:06,030

candy apples, everybody loves them.

1095

49:06 ,090 --> 00:49:09,810

I preferred the caramel apple

way more than the smart candy.

1096

49:10 ,110 --> 00:49:10,320

Oh my.

1097

49:10 ,325 --> 00:49:11,190

Yes, yes.

1098

49:11 ,190 --> 00:49:15,465

It's, uh, there is something about when

you take, uh, the, the sweetness tartness

1099

49:15 ,465 --> 00:49:17,670

of the apple with the, uh, the caramel.

1100

49:17 ,670 --> 00:49:19,440

I, I, I haven't had lunch yet.

1101

49:19 ,440 --> 00:49:20,070

Now I'm hungry.

1102

49:20 ,430 --> 00:49:22,020

Um, but very cool.

1103

49:22 ,020 --> 00:49:22,560

I like that.

1104

49:22 ,680 --> 00:49:25,410

Now the next question, if you're

gonna sit down, talk story for

1105

49:25 ,410 --> 00:49:30,780

a few hours, uh, with, uh, three

people living or not, oh my God.

1106

49:30 ,780 --> 00:49:34,590

Who would you like to sit down with

and, uh, these three people for

1107

49:34 ,680 --> 00:49:36,450

an afternoon of just talking story

1108

49:37 ,470 --> 00:49:38,670

Asher Grodman: to talk story?

1109

49:39 ,765 --> 00:49:41,025

Marc Preston: Uh, I would choose.

1110

49:41 ,025 --> 00:49:43,380

It could be not just that you wanna

talk to 'em, but it may be them

1111

49:43 ,380 --> 00:49:46,500

interacting with one another is something

that would be kinda fun to observe.

1112

49:47 ,550 --> 00:49:48,450

Asher Grodman: Let's go with.

1113

49:48 ,840 --> 00:49:51,810

I mean, there's a lot of people who

would fit the bill on this, but let's

1114

49:51 ,810 --> 00:49:57,660

just have some fun and let's say,

um, let's say Philip Seymour Hoffman.

1115

49:58 ,170 --> 00:49:59,310

Ah, yeah.

1116

49:59 ,310 --> 00:50:02,670

Who was like my kind of

acting idol, uh, growing up.

1117

50:02 ,730 --> 00:50:05,520

Marc Preston: You gotta tell me your

favorite Philip Seymour Hoffman, uh, film.

1118

50:06 ,210 --> 00:50:08,880

Um, what's my favorite

1119

50:08 ,880 --> 00:50:09,780

Asher Grodman: film?

1120

50:10 ,200 --> 00:50:13,560

I think, um, that's harder.

1121

50:14 ,130 --> 00:50:19,620

I think my favorite performance was

before The Devil Knows You're Dead.

1122

50:20 ,430 --> 00:50:22,890

Uh, which is just incredible.

1123

50:23 ,400 --> 00:50:30,300

Um, my favorite film, uh, oh,

that's, that's, that's hard.

1124

50:30 ,300 --> 00:50:31,230

That's really hard.

1125

50:31 ,320 --> 00:50:32,070

Um.

1126

50:33 ,105 --> 00:50:33,525

Uh,

1127

50:35 ,835 --> 00:50:36,884

I'll go Boogie Nights.

1128

50:37 ,035 --> 00:50:37,875

Marc Preston: Why was that film?

1129

50:37 ,875 --> 00:50:37,904

Oh,

1130

50:37 ,965 --> 00:50:38,505

Asher Grodman: I'm sorry.

1131

50:38 ,595 --> 00:50:39,525

No, I'm sorry.

1132

50:39 ,525 --> 00:50:40,935

I'm so, so sorry.

1133

50:40 ,935 --> 00:50:42,075

Boogie Nights is a masterpiece.

1134

50:42 ,075 --> 00:50:42,585

It's amazing.

1135

50:42 ,645 --> 00:50:42,825

Yeah.

1136

50:42 ,830 --> 00:50:42,980

Yeah.

1137

50:42 ,985 --> 00:50:48,884

But the no, one of my favorite movies

of all time, uh, is Moneyball, and he

1138

50:48 ,884 --> 00:50:51,105

is, he is, he's great in Moneyball.

1139

50:51 ,105 --> 00:50:53,325

There are other performances

that are more sparkly.

1140

50:53 ,775 --> 00:50:56,205

Um, but that is the, that is the best.

1141

50:56 ,265 --> 00:50:56,895

That's my favorite film.

1142

50:57 ,060 --> 00:50:59,625

Marc Preston: I, I think some of

his best performances have been in

1143

50:59 ,625 --> 00:51:01,695

some of the smaller roles he's done.

1144

51:02 ,025 --> 00:51:02,085

Yeah.

1145

51:02 ,085 --> 00:51:04,425

Or the ones where he didn't get

as much screen time, like the,

1146

51:04 ,425 --> 00:51:07,035

uh uh, uh, uh, almost famous.

1147

51:07 ,035 --> 00:51:09,754

I. You know, that Uhhuh just,

you know, uh, but there was

1148

51:09 ,754 --> 00:51:11,285

one He's great in Twister.

1149

51:11 ,495 --> 00:51:11,705

Yeah.

1150

51:12 ,020 --> 00:51:12,299

Yeah.

1151

51:12 ,845 --> 00:51:16,265

There is a, uh, uh, um,

oh, this, this one movie.

1152

51:17 ,194 --> 00:51:20,645

It's, they, some of the ti sometimes

titles the boat that rocked.

1153

51:20 ,674 --> 00:51:23,585

Other times it's, it's, uh, pirate Radio.

1154

51:23 ,585 --> 00:51:25,654

It's where the He was Oh,

they're on, on the ship.

1155

51:25 ,685 --> 00:51:25,955

Yes.

1156

51:26 ,765 --> 00:51:28,444

That was, that was a good one.

1157

51:28 ,535 --> 00:51:29,555

I'm an old radio guy.

1158

51:29 ,555 --> 00:51:29,645

Yes.

1159

51:29 ,645 --> 00:51:32,375

So I think so, so we got Phil,

Philip Seymour Hoffman there.

1160

51:32 ,375 --> 00:51:33,845

Now who else are you

gonna be sitting down?

1161

51:33 ,904 --> 00:51:34,205

Asher Grodman: Let's go.

1162

51:34 ,205 --> 00:51:35,165

Philip Seymour Hoffman.

1163

51:35 ,165 --> 00:51:38,585

We'll go Marlon Brando just

for the, the, the fun of it.

1164

51:38 ,944 --> 00:51:43,384

Um, and, uh, uh, and he's

obviously was a genius.

1165

51:43 ,625 --> 00:51:46,145

And I'll go Martin McDonough, um, okay.

1166

51:46 ,145 --> 00:51:49,835

Playwright, writer, director,

who's, um, just my favorite.

1167

51:49 ,835 --> 00:51:50,464

I love him.

1168

51:50 ,645 --> 00:51:51,365

Marc Preston: Well, very good.

1169

51:51 ,365 --> 00:51:51,694

Very good.

1170

51:51 ,694 --> 00:51:55,384

Now, if we were to go back, uh,

we, you had your crushes, as

1171

51:55 ,384 --> 00:51:56,705

did I in junior high, Uhhuh.

1172

51:56 ,984 --> 00:52:00,395

But going back, who was your very

first celebrity crush as a kid?

1173

52:00 ,904 --> 00:52:02,044

The Pink Power Ranger.

1174

52:02 ,745 --> 00:52:04,575

The Pink Power Ranger?

1175

52:04 ,665 --> 00:52:04,725

Yeah.

1176

52:04 ,725 --> 00:52:05,265

Okay.

1177

52:05 ,475 --> 00:52:06,105

I think so.

1178

52:06 ,105 --> 00:52:07,245

Uh, you know what?

1179

52:07 ,245 --> 00:52:10,005

I think the Power Ranger is

just a little bit after my time.

1180

52:10 ,005 --> 00:52:10,785

So, uh, it, it would

1181

52:11 ,115 --> 00:52:14,715

Asher Grodman: either be that or Michelle

Pfeiffer's, cat one, one of those.

1182

52:14 ,715 --> 00:52:15,105

One of those

1183

52:15 ,105 --> 00:52:15,165

Marc Preston: two.

1184

52:15 ,165 --> 00:52:16,425

Ah, okay.

1185

52:16 ,455 --> 00:52:17,325

Uh, that's the very first.

1186

52:17 ,325 --> 00:52:17,865

Michelle Pfeiffer.

1187

52:17 ,865 --> 00:52:18,795

We gotten very good.

1188

52:19 ,035 --> 00:52:19,335

Really?

1189

52:19 ,365 --> 00:52:19,635

Okay.

1190

52:21 ,570 --> 00:52:23,955

I have, have not gotten any

other Michelle Pfeiffer's.

1191

52:24 ,015 --> 00:52:26,055

Uh, I'm disappointed in humanity.

1192

52:26 ,445 --> 00:52:27,855

She was in Scarface, wasn't she?

1193

52:27 ,915 --> 00:52:28,815

She was in Scarface.

1194

52:28 ,820 --> 00:52:29,090

Yeah.

1195

52:29 ,090 --> 00:52:29,565

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1196

52:29 ,565 --> 00:52:32,565

So that was, you know, uh,

that was a good, see, I can

1197

52:32 ,565 --> 00:52:33,885

just talk movies all day here.

1198

52:33 ,975 --> 00:52:36,945

Um, now it, next question I got for you.

1199

52:36 ,945 --> 00:52:39,255

If you're gonna be living on

an exotic island somewhere, you

1200

52:39 ,255 --> 00:52:40,545

want to be, it's, it's great.

1201

52:40 ,545 --> 00:52:41,355

It's relaxing.

1202

52:41 ,355 --> 00:52:41,475

It.

1203

52:41 ,625 --> 00:52:45,075

You could be there for a whole

year, but you don't have streaming.

1204

52:45 ,345 --> 00:52:49,545

So if you wanna listen to music,

you're only allowed one CD and you're

1205

52:49 ,545 --> 00:52:52,485

only allowed 1D VD to watch a movie.

1206

52:53 ,085 --> 00:52:55,335

Uh, something you watch over

and over again, an album you

1207

52:55 ,335 --> 00:52:56,415

can listen to over and over.

1208

52:56 ,415 --> 00:52:58,575

And I will accept box sets.

1209

52:58 ,575 --> 00:52:58,605

I,

1210

52:59 ,589 --> 00:53:02,930

Asher Grodman: so I get one CD

and 1D VD Uhhuh or I just get one.

1211

53:03 ,404 --> 00:53:03,884

Okay.

1212

53:03 ,884 --> 00:53:04,305

You just get

1213

53:04 ,305 --> 00:53:05,234

Marc Preston: one, like the whole year.

1214

53:05 ,234 --> 00:53:07,424

You get, if you wanna listen

to an album, you got that one

1215

53:07 ,424 --> 00:53:08,205

that you brought with you,

1216

53:08 ,924 --> 00:53:11,595

Asher Grodman: I'd probably do like

a, it's probably cheating, but I'll

1217

53:11 ,595 --> 00:53:14,924

do like a Bruce Springsteen greatest

hits or something just to really try to

1218

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squeeze as much as I can out of that.

1219

53:16 ,995 --> 00:53:19,185

Um, and then, uh, dog Day afternoon.

1220

53:19 ,785 --> 00:53:21,855

Marc Preston: Well, you're the

new New Jersey boy, so, you know.

1221

53:22 ,125 --> 00:53:22,875

That's right.

1222

53:22 ,875 --> 00:53:25,665

Boss has got, you know, and, and,

uh, and, and the movie again.

1223

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What was that?

1224

53:26 ,564 --> 00:53:27,585

Uh, dog Day Afternoon.

1225

53:27 ,645 --> 00:53:28,484

Oh, dog Day Afternoon.

1226

53:28 ,515 --> 00:53:29,865

Oh, that's a, yeah.

1227

53:29 ,895 --> 00:53:30,165

Sidney Lu.

1228

53:30 ,524 --> 00:53:31,814

Asher Grodman: Um, Al Pacino's.

1229

53:31 ,814 --> 00:53:32,835

Greatest Performance.

1230

53:33 ,165 --> 00:53:34,214

Marc Preston: Hey, have

you ever read that book?

1231

53:34 ,274 --> 00:53:35,654

Uh, I was just listening.

1232

53:35 ,654 --> 00:53:37,095

Somebody talk about

Sidney Luma the other day.

1233

53:37 ,095 --> 00:53:41,265

I read a book of his when I first started

acting, and it's basically making movies.

1234

53:41 ,625 --> 00:53:41,895

Yeah.

1235

53:41 ,895 --> 00:53:42,105

Yeah.

1236

53:42 ,105 --> 00:53:46,695

Just the what was a day, basically,

I think the book starts off with his

1237

53:46 ,695 --> 00:53:47,955

driver coming and picking him up.

1238

53:47 ,955 --> 00:53:48,075

Yeah.

1239

53:48 ,075 --> 00:53:49,635

That was one of my favorite acting books.

1240

53:49 ,635 --> 00:53:53,175

It wasn't really even about acting, it was

just his impression of actors and just,

1241

53:53 ,175 --> 00:53:54,855

it was just kind of a, I just enjoyed it.

1242

53:55 ,035 --> 00:53:56,340

Um, you kind of got it.

1243

53:56 ,340 --> 00:53:57,015

He wrote a book called

1244

53:57 ,015 --> 00:53:59,055

Asher Grodman: Making Movies,

which is a great book.

1245

53:59 ,265 --> 00:53:59,835

I think that's

1246

53:59 ,835 --> 00:54:00,315

Marc Preston: what it was.

1247

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I just remember him just, you know,

early before the Sun comes up going with

1248

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his driver and he shows up and he talks

about kind of like some of the onset

1249

54:08 ,175 --> 00:54:09,885

politics things you need to consider.

1250

54:09 ,885 --> 00:54:13,395

I'm like, you got inside his head for a

moment and I thought that was very cool.

1251

54:13 ,425 --> 00:54:13,485

Asher Grodman: Yeah.

1252

54:13 ,965 --> 00:54:16,035

Marc Preston: If you were to say from

stem to stern, from the time you get

1253

54:16 ,035 --> 00:54:19,455

up in the morning till the time you

go to bed, what are the component

1254

54:19 ,455 --> 00:54:22,065

parts for you of a perfect day?

1255

54:22 ,065 --> 00:54:25,365

Something that, that, if it's got

these things, it worked out well.

1256

54:26 ,925 --> 00:54:32,925

Asher Grodman: Um, some kind of working

out is getting in your body some

1257

54:32 ,925 --> 00:54:39,945

fresh air, um, uh, time with a puppy.

1258

54:41 ,940 --> 00:54:44,820

Marc Preston: Um, so wait, do, do you,

do you have a puppy or do you have dog?

1259

54:44 ,880 --> 00:54:46,020

I do have a puppy,

1260

54:46 ,140 --> 00:54:46,770

Asher Grodman: yes.

1261

54:46 ,920 --> 00:54:50,910

Um, we have a, uh, mini

Aussie doodle here, and then

1262

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I have, um, who's wonderful.

1263

54:53 ,970 --> 00:54:59,130

Um, and then I have, uh, it's, it's a,

it's, it's, it's, it's, uh, it, it's

1264

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tricky 'cause she was a pandemic puppy

who technically lives out, um, with my,

1265

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my parents, but quickly became my dog.

1266

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'cause I was out there for a year.

1267

55:06 ,600 --> 00:55:10,590

As for a year I was out there as

we were waiting and hoping that one

1268

55:10 ,590 --> 00:55:12,300

day we would shoot that, that pilot.

1269

55:12 ,600 --> 00:55:14,640

So we were all in this

deep, deep quarantine.

1270

55:15 ,090 --> 00:55:18,900

Um, so she quickly became, uh, my dog.

1271

55:18 ,990 --> 00:55:22,260

Um, and then of course I couldn't stay.

1272

55:22 ,470 --> 00:55:25,830

I had to leave and she had to stay

'cause I was moving to Montreal.

1273

55:25 ,830 --> 00:55:25,950

Mm-hmm.

1274

55:26 ,820 --> 00:55:28,260

Um, and then going back and forth.

1275

55:28 ,260 --> 00:55:31,800

But her name is Zy and she's

actually Trevor's dog on the show.

1276

55:32 ,160 --> 00:55:34,200

Um, really snuck her in there.

1277

55:34 ,500 --> 00:55:35,040

Uh, yeah.

1278

55:35 ,730 --> 00:55:37,650

Um, and she's this.

1279

55:38 ,040 --> 00:55:43,950

Wants one in a thousand personality,

uh, who's just like an endless motor.

1280

55:44 ,070 --> 00:55:48,090

Um, so I have two very

special, very special girlies.

1281

55:48 ,720 --> 00:55:51,510

Um, so we, we've got

the time with the coach,

1282

55:51 ,510 --> 00:55:52,830

Marc Preston: time with a girlfriend,

1283

55:53 ,010 --> 00:55:56,580

Asher Grodman: and yes, those are

all important, um, time, you know,

1284

55:57 ,090 --> 00:55:58,950

with your body in some fresh air.

1285

55:59 ,190 --> 00:56:03,270

I run a weekly pickup football

game, so that's, that's the

1286

56:03 ,270 --> 00:56:05,190

greatest that I love doing that.

1287

56:05 ,700 --> 00:56:09,000

Um, and getting out and playing and

feeling like you're at recess again.

1288

56:09 ,300 --> 00:56:13,110

So I guess those are three things because,

we'll, I guess, we'll, we can combine

1289

56:13 ,110 --> 00:56:14,790

football and the physical activity thing.

1290

56:15 ,150 --> 00:56:16,290

Um, laughter

1291

56:16 ,500 --> 00:56:17,550

Marc Preston: I was thinking

about the other day.

1292

56:17 ,760 --> 00:56:20,670

Somebody said, you need at least

one big good laugh every day and a

1293

56:20 ,670 --> 00:56:23,850

hug or, you know, there's certain

things if you get it every day and.

1294

56:24 ,225 --> 00:56:28,515

You just feel better yet, especially,

especially now, you know, I'm like,

1295

56:28 ,845 --> 00:56:31,964

I, I'm like, I'm going on a news

diet, you know, I think I'm gonna

1296

56:31 ,964 --> 00:56:33,615

stop watching these for a week or two.

1297

56:33 ,734 --> 00:56:36,765

Um, that's, that's, that's

a good, or, or three years.

1298

56:36 ,765 --> 00:56:37,484

It just depends.

1299

56:37 ,575 --> 00:56:37,665

Sure.

1300

56:37 ,785 --> 00:56:40,575

Um, now if you weren't, next question.

1301

56:40 ,575 --> 00:56:44,444

If you weren't doing this for a living,

what, what to you would be a, a, a

1302

56:44 ,444 --> 00:56:45,975

very easy, it would bring you joy.

1303

56:45 ,975 --> 00:56:48,375

Another gig that would be

like, okay, I can do this.

1304

56:48 ,375 --> 00:56:49,395

This is what I'd wanna do.

1305

56:50 ,234 --> 00:56:50,475

Asher Grodman: That's

1306

56:50 ,475 --> 00:56:51,104

Marc Preston: hard.

1307

56:51 ,194 --> 00:56:54,254

Asher Grodman: Um, for a long time I

thought if I really went down a different

1308

56:54 ,254 --> 00:56:59,084

path, like doing something in like design

or architecture, something like that.

1309

56:59 ,084 --> 00:57:00,165

So I'll go with that.

1310

57:00 ,165 --> 00:57:03,645

There's that kind of like quiet

piece that you find when you're kind

1311

57:03 ,645 --> 00:57:05,564

of building something or, or, um.

1312

57:06 ,435 --> 00:57:09,405

At least, uh, or maybe work even

just working with your hands.

1313

57:09 ,405 --> 00:57:12,555

Yeah, something in that, something about

building or, or designing something.

1314

57:12 ,765 --> 00:57:14,985

Marc Preston: It could be almost

like meditative because you're Yes.

1315

57:14 ,985 --> 00:57:17,055

Kind of in your own head,

but yet you're doing a thing.

1316

57:17 ,055 --> 00:57:17,805

It, I'm almost at

1317

57:17 ,805 --> 00:57:19,965

Asher Grodman: the point that I would

volunteer to help someone put together

1318

57:19 ,965 --> 00:57:25,425

IKEA furniture because it is then I'm

not actually going to, but I could

1319

57:25 ,455 --> 00:57:27,975

imagine myself doing, I'm like, oh,

I'm having a, having a rough week.

1320

57:27 ,975 --> 00:57:29,895

Lemme come over and build a chair for you.

1321

57:30 ,255 --> 00:57:31,965

Marc Preston: You're just there

for the Swedish meatballs.

1322

57:31 ,965 --> 00:57:32,750

Yeah, that's right.

1323

57:33 ,045 --> 00:57:36,315

That's, um, now the last question I

got for you is, if you were to jump

1324

57:36 ,315 --> 00:57:40,815

into that DeLorean and you can go back,

you connect with 16-year-old you and

1325

57:40 ,815 --> 00:57:43,755

you got a piece of advice to either

make that moment in your life better

1326

57:43 ,815 --> 00:57:47,085

or to put yourself on a little bit

different trajectory, what would that

1327

57:47 ,085 --> 00:57:49,755

piece of advice be to 16-year-old you?

1328

57:51 ,285 --> 00:57:51,795

That's so

1329

57:51 ,795 --> 00:57:52,425

Asher Grodman: hard.

1330

57:52 ,905 --> 00:57:57,915

You know, I, what, what I wish I could do,

and I actually do think about this a lot.

1331

57:58 ,305 --> 00:58:04,875

What I wish I could do would be, not to

like give them advice necessarily, but to.

1332

58:05 ,895 --> 00:58:08,549

I, I wish there were, I wish

there was a way to like transfer

1333

58:08 ,549 --> 00:58:12,210

the way I feel in my body now

1334

58:14 ,790 --> 00:58:18,960

to them, like to give them the,

the experience of like, oh, this

1335

58:18 ,960 --> 00:58:22,290

is what it's like to kind of just

like be at ease with yourself.

1336

58:22 ,290 --> 00:58:22,350

Yeah.

1337

58:22 ,350 --> 00:58:23,580

Not that I'm always at ease myself.

1338

58:23 ,580 --> 00:58:27,330

I'm usually running around like with a

chicken head cut off, but I'm so much

1339

58:27 ,330 --> 00:58:31,049

more at ease than I was back then.

1340

58:31 ,170 --> 00:58:39,810

And I think finding that, uh, that kind

of quiet and calm, if I could impart

1341

58:39 ,810 --> 00:58:41,279

something, it's not really advice.

1342

58:41 ,279 --> 00:58:43,350

It's kind of more, I guess

more of an experience, but

1343

58:43 ,440 --> 00:58:46,770

Marc Preston: something, a gift you wanna

give to your younger self, kind of Yeah.

1344

58:46 ,770 --> 00:58:47,069

You know?

1345

58:47 ,370 --> 00:58:47,580

Yeah.

1346

58:47 ,580 --> 00:58:48,930

That I, I completely understand that.

1347

58:48 ,930 --> 00:58:51,720

I think there is a,

when you look back, uh.

1348

58:52 ,195 --> 00:58:55,140

I, I, I, you know, if somebody gave

me the option and said, you know,

1349

58:55 ,140 --> 00:58:59,670

said, you can relive your late teens

or your, or your early twenties, I'd

1350

58:59 ,670 --> 00:59:02,490

be like, the only way I'm gonna do is

if I go back with the knowledge I've

1351

59:02 ,490 --> 00:59:06,210

gotten now because I have no desire to

go through, you know, it's, oh my God.

1352

59:06 ,210 --> 00:59:06,420

Yeah.

1353

59:06 ,870 --> 00:59:12,390

There, you know, the things that,

uh, I mean the, the being better

1354

59:12 ,390 --> 00:59:15,600

at making choices, I think, you

know, happens with age, you know?

1355

59:15 ,720 --> 00:59:15,810

Yeah.

1356

59:15 ,960 --> 00:59:16,350

Um,

1357

59:17 ,460 --> 00:59:22,710

Asher Grodman: caring about yourself,

like your capital S self happens with age.

1358

59:22 ,710 --> 00:59:22,800

Mm-hmm.

1359

59:24 ,195 --> 00:59:24,715

Marc Preston: I guess indeed.

1360

59:24 ,785 --> 00:59:25,515

Abso absolutely.

1361

59:25 ,515 --> 00:59:29,220

And I, I think it's, uh, you

know, it's something that.

1362

59:30 ,345 --> 00:59:33,884

As we mature, we appreciate, you

know, putting that investment

1363

59:33 ,884 --> 00:59:35,055

in ourselves even more.

1364

59:35 ,055 --> 00:59:37,904

So, you know, my friend,

I, I really appreciate it.

1365

59:37 ,904 --> 00:59:41,595

Looking forward to getting further

into the, uh, library that is ghosts.

1366

59:41 ,654 --> 00:59:44,895

Um, you know, just a little side,

just a little side note, a little

1367

59:44 ,895 --> 00:59:46,365

ancillary source of income.

1368

59:46 ,395 --> 00:59:48,495

Uh, have you ever contemplated

a sponsorship with an

1369

59:48 ,495 --> 00:59:49,875

underwear, a boxer company?

1370

59:49 ,875 --> 00:59:52,334

You know, I think that

would be a natural thing.

1371

59:52 ,334 --> 00:59:54,044

You know, it just kind of a, you know,

1372

59:54 ,240 --> 00:59:58,035

Asher Grodman: I did, I do wear, I wear

sacks underwear on the show, and when

1373

59:58 ,035 --> 01:00:01,095

they found out they sent me some free

underwear and they're pretty great.

1374

1:00:01 ,095 --> 01:00:03,165

So I, I'll I'll give them

a shout out right now.

1375

1:00:03 ,555 --> 01:00:06,464

Um, but yes, that's a very good,

yeah, I, I'm gonna think about that.

1376

1:00:07 ,035 --> 01:00:10,125

Marc Preston: Just I'm, I, I'm just

always full of ideas when people say full

1377

1:00:10 ,125 --> 01:00:11,384

of it, I, I hope that's what they mean.

1378

1:00:11 ,745 --> 01:00:15,555

Um, but my friend, you have yourself

a, a great rest of your week, a great

1379

1:00:15 ,555 --> 01:00:17,640

Passover, uh, just, you know, thank you.

1380

1:00:17 ,640 --> 01:00:18,080

Same to you.

1381

1:00:18 ,180 --> 01:00:21,435

Uh, but, uh, but my friend, uh, it

was more than a pleasure and, uh,

1382

1:00:21 ,435 --> 01:00:24,194

hopefully down the line we'll have

an opportunity to, uh, catch up.

1383

1:00:24 ,375 --> 01:00:25,095

Asher Grodman: I'd love that.

1384

1:00:25 ,095 --> 01:00:25,725

Thank you so.

1385

1:00:28 ,890 --> 01:00:29,580

Talk to you soon.

1386

1:00:31 ,800 --> 01:00:32,070

Marc Preston: Alright.

1387

1:00:32 ,070 --> 01:00:32,670

There you go.

1388

1:00:32 ,670 --> 01:00:34,170

Asher Groman.

1389

1:00:34 ,230 --> 01:00:37,440

The show on CBS is called ghosts.

1390

1:00:37 ,530 --> 01:00:39,360

Remember he doesn't have pants on.

1391

1:00:39 ,570 --> 01:00:40,170

Hard to miss.

1392

1:00:40 ,170 --> 01:00:41,640

Asher a funny guy.

1393

1:00:41 ,640 --> 01:00:45,000

Really enjoyed the sit down with him

and, uh, really enjoyed the opportunity

1394

1:00:45 ,000 --> 01:00:46,560

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1395

1:00:46 ,830 --> 01:00:51,930

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1396

1:00:52 ,200 --> 01:00:54,600

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1397

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1420

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1421

1:01:57 ,174 --> 01:02:00,775

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1422

1:02:00 ,990 --> 01:02:03,690

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1423

1:02:03 ,900 --> 01:02:09,000

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1424

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1425

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1426

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1427

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1430

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