Katie O’Brien | From “Teachers” to Tubi’s “The Z-Suite” | Laughing From X to Z

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Katie O'Brien: Like, I'm shocked I

didn't join a cult or fall into MLM.

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Like, I am the prime candidate

to be like, yeah, absolutely.

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Like, I'll help out your, your

business and I'll recruit other women.

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Yes.

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Announcer: Welcome to Story Craft.

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Now, here's your host, Marc Preston.

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Marc Preston: All right, here we go.

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Back again, another episode of Story.

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And thank you so much for,

uh, popping back over.

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Uh, Hey, if this is your first

episode, thank you very much.

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My name is Marc.

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Good to meet you.

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Good to spend a little

bit of time with you.

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Going to have some fun today.

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Sitting down with actor, writer,

showrunner, Katie O'Brien.

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New show on Tubi.

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She is producing, writing,

uh, it is called The Z Suite.

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Uh, kind of about the confluence

of different generations.

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And if you're kind of like me, Gen

X kid, sit down with your Gen Z kid.

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Uh, you'll both enjoy it.

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I promise you, it's a fun show.

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Coming out February 6th on Tubi.

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She was, uh, just a blast.

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Really enjoyed talking with her.

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Great conversation.

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Really enjoyed it.

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Today is Katie O'Brien day

right here on Story and Craft.

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So how are you doing today?

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Katie O'Brien: I'm doing great.

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I'm doing great.

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How are you?

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Are you in Los Angeles?

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No,

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Marc Preston: no, no.

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I am actually in Texas.

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I live on an island called South

Padre, which is the very, very,

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very Southern tip of Texas.

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Katie O'Brien: That's right.

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Marc Preston: People usually say,

I know South Padre followed by

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there was this one spring break.

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That's exactly

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Katie O'Brien: how I know.

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Marc Preston: Yes.

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Katie O'Brien: But what

a beautiful place to live

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Marc Preston: when the youngest

was off to college is like, you

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know, where do I want to be?

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Love L. A. Love Dallas as like, you know,

I'm going for the Jimmy Buffett lifestyle.

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Now I kind of, you can

work from anywhere now.

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Covid kind of taught us that to a degree.

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02:24 Katie's Journey: From Omaha to LA

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Um, where are you from?

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Originally,

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Katie O'Brien: I'm originally from Omaha.

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Nebraska.

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Uh, so I have no desire.

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I mean, I love Omaha, but I don't have

a desire to go back and live there.

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Um, but yeah, that's where I'm from.

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But I'm in, I mean, right now I'm in

Palm Springs just because of the fires.

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You

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Marc Preston: know, usually whenever you

see fires, it's kind of an areas I've

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never been to, you know, and, but how

far it's gotten in, it's, it's just.

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It's just heartbreaking to see.

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Katie O'Brien: Yeah, it's devastating.

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It's really, really devastating.

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So I am down here for the time being, but,

um, it, yeah, it's just heartbreaking.

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I love LA and it's just

very sad what's happening.

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So it's hard to watch.

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Marc Preston: So where's your home?

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in LA.

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Katie O'Brien: My home

in LA is the valley.

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I live in the valley, which I love.

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But right now we're under this, like,

you know, everybody's sort of waiting

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to see what's going to happen with this

Palisades fire and the Santa Ana wind.

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So, um, but yeah, I'm in the

valley there and I love it.

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It's great.

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Marc Preston: I can't

get over the wind there.

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So the winds were like 100

miles an hour or something.

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I was like, that

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Katie O'Brien: was crazy.

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I've never experienced anything like that.

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It would Yeah.

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It was so strong and so loud.

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And yeah, it's not good.

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I don't know.

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It's all kind of awful.

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Marc Preston: Well, LA has so

many different personalities.

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You got the Santa Ana winds, and then

in June, you got this June gloom.

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June gloom, yeah.

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You know, which I never really understood.

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I was like, well, what's the story?

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You know, after about 3, 8, 4 o'clock,

everything kind of clears off, you know.

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Katie O'Brien: Yeah.

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It's

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Marc Preston: a city with its

own meteorological personality.

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Yes,

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Katie O'Brien: for sure.

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Marc Preston: I gather it's the industry

and everything, but how did you end

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up Omaha to LA is a, uh, it's a jump.

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I'm assuming you came out to

LA for work or you just said,

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Hey, LA is a cool place to live.

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Or how'd that come together for you?

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04:09 The Comedy Path: Improv and The Katie Dids

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Katie O'Brien: It's a bit of a jump.

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I came out to LA by way really of Chicago.

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So grew up in Omaha, um, and

always really wanted to be.

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In the industry, and, but nobody

in Omaha works in entertainment.

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I mean, that's like a crazy idea.

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Uh, I think we had a family friend

who knew somebody who was like a

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producer on Two and a Half Men,

or something, like that was like

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the closest connection we had.

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But, uh, I went to school in

Chicago and got really into improv.

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And was doing, yeah, I

was doing improv there.

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And so then I was performing and,

uh, I was with a comedy group there.

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Uh, the Katie dids, we

were all named Katie.

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There's six of us and

we created a web series.

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There's six women that were in the improv

community named Katie or some variation.

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Uh, it was, let's see, Katie, Katie.

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Kate, Kate, and Caitlin, and we were

performing and then we created a web

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series and I decided to move out to L. A.

to really kind of give a crack at being

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an actor and working in the industry.

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And, uh, so yeah, I kind of

came out by way of Chicago.

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Uh, where'd

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Marc Preston: you go to school there?

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Katie O'Brien: I went to school

at the university of Illinois at

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Chicago, but I was a transfer student.

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So my first year I went to a really small

school in Minnesota called St. Thomas.

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And then I just really wanted to do

improv and my parents were like, You,

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they were so supportive, but

they were like, you can't, like,

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I was like, I'm just going to

move to Chicago and do improv.

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And they were like, cool, cool, cool.

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Um, you do have to go to school.

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Was it

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Marc Preston: like the

whole second city thing?

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Was that what was kind of

bringing you out there?

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Second

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Katie O'Brien: city.

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I saw second city in high school and

I was like, this is what I want to do.

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Okay.

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Keep in mind, Marc, I

never did Second City.

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So, but that, I just remember seeing

it and falling in love with it.

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And I was like, I really want to do this.

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And then, my first year of

college in Minnesota, I just

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was really fixated on it.

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And I couldn't get it off my brain.

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And so I, I said to my parents,

I really want to go and do this.

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And they were very supportive, and

they were like, You can go and do it,

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but you, you do have to go to school.

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And so I transferred to the University

of Illinois at Chicago, but I really

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was just performing improv all the time.

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So, uh, I. O. was the theater I

performed at predominantly there,

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and that really was like my college.

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But I got a degree at the

university of Illinois at Chicago.

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Marc Preston: Well, yeah, I mean, uh, me,

you know, growing up watching Saturday

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night live, well, before I probably

should have, you know, that was kind of

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like a, you know, besides the, uh, like

Canadian folks, you know, Chicago was kind

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of, uh, kind of where it was happening.

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Katie O'Brien: my gosh, everybody.

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Yeah.

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Like growing up, I. Christopher Guest

was my big, like, influence growing up.

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I mean, I remember watching Best

in Show and waiting for Guffman,

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and I was like, what is this?

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And then Saturday Night Live 2, and

then everybody that I really admired

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or was obsessed with comedically

had kind of gone through Chicago

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and had gone through Second City.

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And so I just thought,

well, that's the path.

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I have to go and do that.

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So, yeah, I mean, Tina Fey,

Steve Carell, Stephen Colbert.

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I mean, so many incredible people

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Marc Preston: with Stephen Colbert and,

uh, uh, and Steve Carell, you know,

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they have this, that, this one bit

they did, uh, God, what was it that

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they played like two waiters that.

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hated talking about food and

made him nauseous or something.

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You know, what it reminded me of is

like, wait a minute, because these

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are grown adults doing this thing.

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I remember from high school, I'm like,

what a gig that's got to be, you know?

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So was comedy, was that the,

was that the goal for you?

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Or were you like, okay, I want

to do something performance.

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And you just kind of figure you're on

ramp is going to be through improv.

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Katie O'Brien: I always

really loved comedy.

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And I always really gravitated

towards Christopher Guest and sort

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of that, like, improv model with,

like, Catherine O'Hara and Eugene Levy

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and really watching all those films.

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But I never thought that was a job.

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Like, I just didn't think

that was a career path.

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And so, for a really long time, I was

like, oh, I'm gonna go to law school.

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Which, I would have made the worst lawyer.

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Like, I truly would have been

absolutely horrible, but, um, I was

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always really, really drawn to comedy.

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And then I really started

out as a performer and really

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loved performing comedy.

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And so when I first came out to

LA, I really wanted to be an actor

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and was going down that route.

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Um, but you know, you go on enough

auditions where you don't get

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called back or book anything and

you sort of start to realize.

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Maybe this isn't what I should be doing.

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Um, so that was initially what I first

was really drawn towards and then I, with

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my comedy group, the Katie Dids, we had

done this web series in Chicago called

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Teachers and that sold as a TV show.

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And so that sort of became this master's

class in television where we were acting

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in it, writing, executive producing,

and, uh, doing, wearing all the hats.

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And that was really when I started.

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Sort of like realized, Oh, I

like acting, but I actually

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really love all this other stuff.

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So I sort of pivoted then.

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Marc Preston: So you, so the idea

of everything happening behind the

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camera was, was kind of enamored.

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You were enamored with that as well

as the performance part, you know,

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that's, I mean, that's, that's, at

the very least you were getting an

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education on, on how the machine works.

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So you knew how to, wherever

you decided to land.

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Katie O'Brien: It was the

best education possible.

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It really was like a

master's class in TV where.

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You know, we, we had this really

like lightning in a bottle situation

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where we were just handed our own

television show and we got to create

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it and write it and star in it and

so you have to wear all the hats and

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then I really became obsessed with it.

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You know, watching something

go from an idea all the way to

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having to execute it on camera.

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And I just loved that whole process.

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So it

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Marc Preston: was, was, uh, that, how

did the TV thing, you know, this was

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a skit you were doing, uh, there's

always something you were doing,

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but the Katie did, was it real?

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We were like, Hey, let's

put this thing on TV.

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Or was it, how did, how did that?

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Katie O'Brien: No, that was never,

that never seemed like a possibility.

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So we, we shot this web series in

Chicago called Teachers and this

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really incredible, um, production

company in Chicago, Cap Gun Collective.

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We did a Kickstarter, but they

agreed to fund the rest of it.

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And we filmed, I don't know how many

short little episodes, but, uh, we had

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this great director, Matt Miller, and

we just wrote these little sketches.

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And, uh, you know, they were

two to three minutes long and we

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released them on the internet.

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And then I moved out to LA

and was like, okay, bye.

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Like I'm going to go

and try and be an actor.

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And moved out to L. A. and was

selling fiber bars at Whole Foods,

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which is like a whole other thing.

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And then it started to gain traction.

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The series started to

gain traction online.

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And then, um, it was

just super fortuitous.

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TV Land was rebranding at the

time to become a comedy network.

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They had the Jim Gaffigan show.

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And younger with Darren star

and they saw the web series and

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they made an offer and, uh, so

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Marc Preston: they're probably

looking at like, Hey, where,

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where are the kids at right now?

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And they're going to look

at YouTube or wherever.

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And, you know, now I'm kind of like

getting a little bit of the idea of

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the genesis of, uh, the Z suite, a

little, a little bit, a little teeny

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tiny bit, you know, but, um, but

fiber bars, tell me more about this.

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So was, were you a, like, were you,

were you working for whole foods or are

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you distributing like on behalf of a.

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Katie O'Brien: Let me tell

you what I was doing, Marc.

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Uh, I had a friend who, I had like no

job prospects in LA and I had a friend

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who I don't even know who she worked for.

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But, um, she basically was like,

do you want to make 20 an hour?

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And I was like, yes.

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It was like, why don't

you help my company?

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So Sell fiber bars at Whole Foods.

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So I basically would drive around to

different Los Angeles Whole Foods, um,

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and set up a little stand and I had

an apron and a little hat and I would

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give out samples of fiber bars and

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Marc Preston: yeah,

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Katie O'Brien: you know, talk to people.

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Marc Preston: You're one

of the sample people.

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I like that.

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Katie O'Brien: Yeah.

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And I would talk to people about

how they could be more regular.

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Um, and it was, uh, really.

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It was a dark time.

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Marc Preston: We've all had those dark

times, you know, it's like you sit there

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or you sit there and go, I don't know if

this is one of those character building

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moments or what this is, but this, it

falls under the category of you got to

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do what you got to do to get done what

you got to get done, pay the bills.

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I have

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Katie O'Brien: to pay my bills.

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And then oddly, it like somehow

got darker where they would deliver

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these fiber bars to my apartment.

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And then I would have to like schlep them.

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in my sob, um, like around these

different whole foods, but I was

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storing them in my apartment.

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Um, and then anyways, long story short,

we were like having a rodent problem and

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I was like, where are these coming from?

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And like, what is the issue?

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And like, they were like,

is there anything these like

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rodents could be feeding on?

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And I was like, No.

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And then I was like, Oh my

God, it's the fiber bars.

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Um, so it was a really,

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Marc Preston: they were very

regular rodents, regular

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Katie O'Brien: rodents, but

yeah, it was a very dark, it

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Marc Preston: could have been worse.

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You could have been doing

multi level Marceting.

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You know, thank

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Katie O'Brien: you so much

at the end of the day.

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At least it's not that.

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Yeah.

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Marc Preston: Cause it seems like to me,

whenever, you know, my, my experience

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around actor folk that are, you know,

trying to, they're trying to do whatever,

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you know, it takes to, to make it happen.

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And I think that in LA they're.

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Plenty of opportunities where people

not get preyed upon, but, uh, you

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know, there seems to be a Zen to just

having a job where you go in and get

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an hourly wage, you know, a lot of the,

you know, cause there's always like

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somebody working a deal, you know, it's

like, Hey, I'm, we're doing this thing.

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You know?

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I was

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Katie O'Brien: always the

prime candidate for those two.

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Like if you really wanted

to, like, I'm shocked.

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I didn't join a cult or fall into MLM.

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Like I am the prime candidate

to be like, yeah, absolutely.

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Like I'll help out your.

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Your business and I'll

recruit other women.

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Yes.

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Marc Preston: Yeah.

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At least nobody was asking you

to, you know, buy, you know,

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matching sweats and tennis shoes.

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I mean, you're, you're good, you

know, if you don't find it, you know,

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um, when you came from going back to

Omaha, like what were your folks up to?

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What kind of, uh, what kind of gigs were

they, uh, were they doing back home?

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Katie O'Brien: They both are lawyers.

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So that's where the law idea came from,

where I was like, well, this makes sense.

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Uh, they were both lawyers,

but they also were very into

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comedy and very funny people.

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I'm also the oldest of five.

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So we all, we were like

a very funny family.

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Um, but yeah, they were

professional people.

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So, you know, I think when I became

really obsessed with going to do

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this, they were so supportive.

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I cannot.

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Stress that enough, but it is kind of

a crazy thing to have your daughter

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be like, I'm going to go give a

crack at improv comedy to sort of be

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like, go for it, you know, but, um,

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Marc Preston: Well, the time to do it

is when you're, when you're young, uh,

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it becomes a little bit more precarious

when you're, you know, over 30 and you're

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like, I want to try doing this thing now.

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I mean, Hey, you know.

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So if you're, I doesn't make, if

you're a 50, you'd still do it.

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But I mean, when you're young, you,

you, you got a little bit more, uh,

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you, you can weather the speed bumps a

little bit better, I think, you know,

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um, now what kind of law do your,

what kind of law do they practice?

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Katie O'Brien: Uh, my dad was a

personal injury attorney and my

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mom, gosh, what does my mom do?

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She does some type of law.

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She used to be a lawyer

for Union Pacific Railroad.

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She basically does stuff with trains.

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I feel like none of this

is going to be correct.

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But, she does something like that.

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Uh, but she's a trial lawyer.

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And, uh, yeah, they both were like A

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Marc Preston: real Okay, well, if

you're a trial lawyer, you gotta

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have some performance skills.

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Okay, so this

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Katie O'Brien: is where, like, when I

was considering law school, she was like

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My parents also only call me Kathleen.

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Uh, my mom would be

like, you know, Kathleen.

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Being a trial lawyer is

kind of like performing.

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And I was like, is it?

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Uh, but that was sort of her way to

kind of sway me to, to go into law.

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Marc Preston: I always had

kind of a pet interest in law.

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And then I really, you know, yeah,

I don't really want to do that.

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I think Tom Hanks put it best.

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He said, it's like doing

homework for a living.

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And I don't want to do that.

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Katie O'Brien: I don't want to do that.

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And I feel like if I was a trial

lawyer, like It'd be really hard not

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for me to be like, you know what, this

other side makes a really good point.

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Like, I, do you know what I mean?

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Like, I feel like it's like, I don't

know that you should go with us.

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Marc Preston: You're one of five?

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Or there's five other siblings?

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Katie O'Brien: I am the oldest of five.

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Marc Preston: Oldest of, so where, where

did the other siblings land career wise?

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So anybody, anybody else choose this

path and go, Hey, if she's, if Kathleen

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can do it, uh, I can do this too.

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Katie O'Brien: Nobody was dumb

enough to choose this path.

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Uh, everybody was, was very wise.

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My sister, uh, is, or

was a special ed teacher.

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My brother, Andrew works

nonprofit for Berkeley university.

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Um, and my brother, John is a lawyer.

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Um, and then my brother Nick

works in real estate finance.

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So everybody did real, real life jobs.

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Real, like, real people jobs.

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Nobody was really interested

in going into this.

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Marc Preston: So everybody's kind

of like, well, they're what they say

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down south or kind of look at you.

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Well, bless her heart.

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Yeah,

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Katie O'Brien: that's exactly right.

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I was like, yeah, you, you go try that.

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And I was like, okay, well,

but they're, they're great.

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Marc Preston: So how long, like when

you, when, when we kind of moved out

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of our, uh, uh, fiber bar phase, when

did you start feeling the traction?

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When, what, what was kind of, when

did things start moving for you

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and, and, and, uh, in a positive

non rodent feed kind of way,

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Katie O'Brien: right.

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Uh, when did I get out of the dark ages?

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Um, I would say Teachers, when Teachers,

uh, Teachers was a sitcom, uh, that I

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co created with the Katie Ditz, who I

mentioned earlier, that was on TV Land.

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And I think when that show came

out, it came out in 2016, that's

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when I sort of was like, oh, I

don't have to work another job.

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while doing this.

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So it felt a little bit safe.

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And like, I felt like I was

like, Oh, okay, this feels real.

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This feels like I'm doing it.

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So I would say teachers

when teachers came out.

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Marc Preston: So you're getting kind

of a schooling on how, how the machine

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works, you know, how stem to stern,

where were you moving more in the, I

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want to do the more on camera stuff,

or are we moving more in the direction

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of like, I want to create more things,

you know, uh, you know, directing,

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producing, writing, was there an

ambition for you, either direction?

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Katie O'Brien: I think after the first,

year of doing Teachers, I really loved

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acting and that was great because I, you

know, along with my friends was getting

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to write the character and so it was

easier for me to act things that I was

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writing because I understood it and it

was coming from, you know, a place that,

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um, I was writing, but I think I always I

just felt, you know, like I, I just liked

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wearing all the hats and it was more fun

to sort of do the rest of the stuff too.

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And so I think maybe after the first

or I would say maybe after the second

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season is when I really thought,

huh, is this the right lane for me?

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Or is this other lane more fitting?

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Um, and then, you know, to be honest

with you, I would say in like.

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The last many, many years, it was sort

of this weird thing I struggled with

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because it was the intention I had

coming out here was to be an actor.

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And then you sort of go through a

weird grieving process, not in a

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bad way, but more of like an honest

realization of does this bring me joy?

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And the answer I kept coming back to

was sometimes, but what brought me a

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lot of joy were all these other things.

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And so I kept landing in that lane

and I thought, you know what, If

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I'm landing over here, maybe this is

where I should put more of my effort.

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Marc Preston: Well, did the

other members of the Katie dudes,

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did they come to L. A. as well?

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Or was this just a concept and maybe only

a couple of y'all ended up on the show?

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Katie O'Brien: Yeah, we all came out

to L. A. Uh, we all were on the show.

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TV Land was really incredible

where they let us all star in it.

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I mean, we had never, we were

all six complete unknowns.

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And when that show sold, I

mean, I didn't have final draft.

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Like, TV Land bought me Final Draft.

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So, uh, but yeah, they all came out

and are actors and really successful

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and really talented and have gone

on to do really great and wonderful

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things in acting and writing.

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Uh, and yeah, I just sort of had this big

craving to do Teachers all over again.

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And I just liked the start to

finish process of creating a show

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and creating the characters and

seeing it all the way through.

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There's nothing cooler.

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Marc Preston: Go, just

hit rewind a little bit.

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Were you in high school?

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Were you in theater?

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Was any of this performance stuff

going on while you were in high school?

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Or were you more of a

sporting kid or academic?

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What were you up to?

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Katie O'Brien: Um, thanks for

asking if I was a sporting kid.

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Um, I was on the freshman basketball team.

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Uh, my nickname was brick,

so that did not go so well.

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I was notorious for launching.

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I would get put in like the last.

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30 seconds.

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And then I would always launch the

ball from the three point line and it

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would just like shatter off the back.

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Um, so no, I really didn't do sports.

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I did a lot of theater and,

um, little bit of a brag.

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I was heavily involved in show choir.

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So

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Marc Preston: really, okay.

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Katie O'Brien: Right.

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Which, you know, I know is a

little bit like intimidating.

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Uh, but that was like my

big, I love show choir.

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You're probably going

to ask, can you sing?

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And the answer is no.

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Marc Preston: But can you be very,

very flamboyant and big and I was

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definitely not a theater kid at all.

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Um, I had, I thought I had

no inclination to do that.

484

22:30 ,259 --> 00:22:33,399

I want to work in radio since

I was seven, you know, um,

485

22:34 ,385 --> 00:22:34,805

Katie O'Brien: Sense.

486

22:34 ,805 --> 00:22:35,855

Like you have a great Rachel voice.

487

22:35 ,855 --> 00:22:35,915

Oh,

488

22:36 ,515 --> 00:22:38,645

Marc Preston: well I didn't sound like

this until a little bit after seven

489

22:38 ,645 --> 00:22:41,465

years old, because I think that would've

scared some of my elementary teachers.

490

22:41 ,765 --> 00:22:42,510

Didn't sound that

would've kind cool though.

491

22:42 ,510 --> 00:22:44,915

You didn't . That would've been cool.

492

22:44 ,915 --> 00:22:46,565

Like, yeah, I want my cookies.

493

22:46 ,955 --> 00:22:47,045

Yeah.

494

22:47 ,165 --> 00:22:49,655

. What do they do with like snack time,

cookies and juice, you know, whatever.

495

22:49 ,685 --> 00:22:51,485

Um, I dunno where that game from.

496

22:51 ,485 --> 00:22:52,535

But anyway, the, um.

497

22:53 ,290 --> 00:22:56,330

But when did you feel that creative flex?

498

22:56 ,330 --> 00:22:59,610

Like you mentioned, uh, the, the

improv and watching Christopher guest.

499

22:59 ,640 --> 00:23:01,180

When did that start happening for you?

500

23:01 ,180 --> 00:23:02,170

How about how old were you?

501

23:02 ,500 --> 00:23:04,859

Katie O'Brien: I would say, okay, so it's

funny that you mentioned high school.

502

23:04 ,859 --> 00:23:08,649

And so yes, heavily influenced

and watched those films on repeat.

503

23:08 ,720 --> 00:23:11,829

Uh, but I would say I went to.

504

23:12 ,050 --> 00:23:16,110

This really incredible high school

in Omaha called Westside High School.

505

23:16 ,160 --> 00:23:18,920

And I was doing theater and I was

doing show choir and I was really

506

23:18 ,920 --> 00:23:20,060

heavily involved in all of that.

507

23:20 ,100 --> 00:23:26,359

And I really felt like that high

school, uh, really shaped me as

508

23:26 ,360 --> 00:23:28,069

a person and a creative person.

509

23:28 ,070 --> 00:23:30,620

I think if I had gone to a different

high school, I don't know that I would

510

23:30 ,630 --> 00:23:36,210

be doing this career, but I really

felt like this creative expansion.

511

23:36 ,725 --> 00:23:40,195

at Westside and I felt like

they fostered that and I had

512

23:40 ,195 --> 00:23:44,095

incredible teachers and also Omaha.

513

23:44 ,145 --> 00:23:48,505

I, I, every time I go back there,

I really feel a creative expansion

514

23:48 ,505 --> 00:23:50,175

there that I sort of can't explain.

515

23:50 ,274 --> 00:23:54,924

Um, but I would say my high school

really was sort of when I felt like

516

23:54 ,924 --> 00:23:59,545

my personality, Popped and I started

to realize like, Oh, this is the

517

23:59 ,545 --> 00:24:01,755

person that I think I should become.

518

24:02 ,285 --> 00:24:05,325

Uh, I, yeah, high school,

I guess is, I feel like it.

519

24:05 ,534 --> 00:24:07,635

Marc Preston: Yeah, I think it's like

whenever somebody, you always hear

520

24:07 ,635 --> 00:24:11,654

stories, there's somebody who, who kind

of says, yeah, you can, you can do this.

521

24:11 ,654 --> 00:24:14,164

They encouraged you or they gave

you permission in a way, you know,

522

24:14 ,175 --> 00:24:16,255

cause sometimes when you're a kid,

you feel like you need permission

523

24:16 ,255 --> 00:24:17,855

to, you know, do whatever.

524

24:17 ,855 --> 00:24:21,045

But jumping back, you

know, you're in LA now and.

525

24:21 ,125 --> 00:24:24,045

You're feeling traction, you

know, with, with teachers, what

526

24:24 ,045 --> 00:24:25,125

was the premise of teachers?

527

24:25 ,125 --> 00:24:28,535

Was it like, well, obviously were

you a teacher, you know, a teacher?

528

24:28 ,535 --> 00:24:32,035

It was at the, uh, I, I have not

caught that yet, but I would like to.

529

24:33 ,304 --> 00:24:36,655

Katie O'Brien: It's on Paramount

plus it's a really fun show.

530

24:36 ,695 --> 00:24:42,145

Uh, it's, uh, Tim Bagley stars in it and

a lot of other really great comedians

531

24:42 ,145 --> 00:24:44,885

like Rob Riggle, Rob Corddry, Alison Brie.

532

24:44 ,885 --> 00:24:46,885

It's a. fun, really fun comedy.

533

24:46 ,895 --> 00:24:49,254

But, um, yes, the premise of teachers.

534

24:49 ,304 --> 00:24:54,034

So how teachers came about in Chicago

as the web series is my comedy

535

24:54 ,034 --> 00:24:55,535

group, the candidates, we all.

536

24:56 ,020 --> 00:24:57,400

sort of look like teachers.

537

24:57 ,620 --> 00:25:03,100

And, uh, the director, Matt Miller, who

directed the show, said to us, like,

538

25:03 ,220 --> 00:25:04,440

you all kind of look like teachers.

539

25:04 ,440 --> 00:25:06,140

Would you ever do a web

series about teaching?

540

25:06 ,550 --> 00:25:10,520

So the premise of the show really is

about these six women who are elementary

541

25:10 ,520 --> 00:25:14,349

school teachers, but their own personal

lives keep bleeding into the classroom.

542

25:14 ,720 --> 00:25:18,270

So I played a character

named Miss Bennigan.

543

25:18 ,730 --> 00:25:23,910

Uh, and her really series long arc is

she's quite smittened with a hot dad.

544

25:24 ,335 --> 00:25:29,765

And, uh, that is that sort of

her thing, but, um, yeah, that

545

25:29 ,765 --> 00:25:30,755

was the premise of the show.

546

25:30 ,755 --> 00:25:33,545

And it's just a really fun comedy.

547

25:33 ,625 --> 00:25:36,254

Marc Preston: I always say this almost

every episode, at least once, there's so

548

25:36 ,254 --> 00:25:40,735

much stuff out there that, you know, it's

like inevitably, you know, I'm going to.

549

25:40 ,915 --> 00:25:44,705

Yeah, I have to with intent go hunt

down, you know, something that got

550

25:44 ,705 --> 00:25:48,405

to be a cool feeling that your first

experience is actually in LA is

551

25:48 ,405 --> 00:25:50,644

creating and doing your own thing.

552

25:50 ,644 --> 00:25:53,745

Most people kind of show up and just

kind of go through the audition process

553

25:53 ,745 --> 00:25:58,084

of the trunk of their cars or their

sob is loaded with all the different

554

25:58 ,085 --> 00:26:00,944

clothes and changes, you know, and

you're just going from one audition

555

26:00 ,945 --> 00:26:01,945

to the other, but you're out there.

556

26:02 ,005 --> 00:26:04,465

Immediately kind of putting something

together, not immediately, but

557

26:04 ,815 --> 00:26:05,885

you're out there putting it together.

558

26:05 ,885 --> 00:26:09,385

But what did that turn

into after, after teachers?

559

26:09 ,385 --> 00:26:10,514

Where, where'd you kind of go from there?

560

26:10 ,795 --> 00:26:11,575

Katie O'Brien: After teachers.

561

26:11 Post-Teachers Career and COVID Impact

26:11 ,585 --> 00:26:18,384

So teachers ended, uh, I think in

2019 and, uh, in between that, you

562

26:18 ,384 --> 00:26:23,405

know, as a group we had sold, um,

some pilots and a movie and then.

563

26:23 ,700 --> 00:26:27,980

You know, COVID hit and it

was sort of this weird time of

564

26:27 ,980 --> 00:26:30,360

like, wait, what do we do now?

565

26:30 ,670 --> 00:26:33,300

Like COVID has hit, what

does the industry look like?

566

26:33 ,829 --> 00:26:38,970

So I, you know, to be totally frank,

after teachers, very delusionally was

567

26:38 ,970 --> 00:26:44,529

like, uh, my career is set, like I'm

going to be working and yada, yada, yada.

568

26:44 ,530 --> 00:26:46,470

And that was not the case at all.

569

26:46 ,520 --> 00:26:48,030

Uh, the show ended.

570

26:48 ,385 --> 00:26:53,165

And, uh, I had to sort of like figure

out what is this next chapter look like.

571

26:53 ,165 --> 00:26:56,855

So after that, I worked on a

show for a very short time.

572

26:56 ,874 --> 00:27:00,134

Um, I don't know if you remember

a Quibi, the short lived.

573

27:01 ,345 --> 00:27:01,445

Marc Preston: I

574

27:01 ,445 --> 00:27:02,315

Katie O'Brien: worked on a show that

575

27:02 ,494 --> 00:27:05,064

Marc Preston: wasn't that a, uh, wasn't

that supposed to be something that was

576

27:05 ,064 --> 00:27:06,925

almost exclusively distributed over.

577

27:07 ,250 --> 00:27:08,550

App and computer or something?

578

27:08 ,630 --> 00:27:08,990

Yes,

579

27:08 ,990 --> 00:27:11,930

Katie O'Brien: it was supposed

to be I think distributed while

580

27:11 ,930 --> 00:27:14,000

you were commuting and on the go.

581

27:14 ,050 --> 00:27:16,480

And it launched when COVID hit.

582

27:16 ,720 --> 00:27:18,589

So everybody was at home.

583

27:19 ,040 --> 00:27:21,309

Uh, and not on the go.

584

27:21 ,319 --> 00:27:23,680

But I worked on this

really, really great show.

585

27:24 ,140 --> 00:27:27,830

Uh, called Your Daily Horoscope, that

was an animated show that Will Arnett

586

27:27 ,930 --> 00:27:32,480

executive produced and, uh, my friend

Kelly Landry ran, and that was a blast.

587

27:32 ,850 --> 00:27:37,619

And then, um, after that, I did the

Santa Clauses with Tim Allen for

588

27:37 ,619 --> 00:27:39,849

Disney which was really, really fun.

589

27:40 ,369 --> 00:27:42,310

And I enjoyed that thoroughly.

590

27:42 ,349 --> 00:27:47,265

And then, uh, the Z Suite, so Since

teachers, it's kind of been bopping

591

27:47 ,265 --> 00:27:51,725

around working on different things,

developing things and staffing and,

592

27:52 ,155 --> 00:27:55,415

uh, you know, just doing all the

things that we all do out here.

593

27:55 ,565 --> 00:27:58,715

Marc Preston: You mentioned,

uh, um, COVID the bubble.

594

27:58 ,985 --> 00:28:01,845

I can't remember exactly what

you played in the bubble.

595

28:01 ,944 --> 00:28:03,289

I'm drawn a little bit of a blank.

596

28:03 ,289 --> 00:28:04,464

I don't know why.

597

28:05 ,525 --> 00:28:07,235

It's been a couple of years

since I've seen it, I think.

598

28:07 ,255 --> 00:28:07,605

Katie O'Brien: No.

599

28:08 ,085 --> 00:28:12,075

Well, I have to jog my memory too,

but yeah, the bubble was really cool.

600

28:12 ,935 --> 00:28:18,755

I got to do that a friend of mine,

uh, Chris Watoski was kind enough to

601

28:19 ,015 --> 00:28:22,445

suggest me for that role to Judd Apatow.

602

28:22 ,485 --> 00:28:25,215

And that's how I got involved in it.

603

28:25 ,235 --> 00:28:27,034

And it was really fun.

604

28:27 ,034 --> 00:28:32,155

I, I sort of just played, uh,

Chris's girlfriend in the movie,

605

28:32 ,155 --> 00:28:35,385

but it was crazy because we

were shooting that during COVID.

606

28:35 ,765 --> 00:28:38,694

And so it was really

wild, but it was so cool.

607

28:38 ,745 --> 00:28:40,415

Marc Preston: It's so funny

because there's such an ensemble.

608

28:40 ,415 --> 00:28:42,395

I'm trying to put it, like

I said, it's been a moment.

609

28:42 ,405 --> 00:28:46,825

But I got to know though, cause I'm,

I'm sort of, I don't, I never, I'm not

610

28:47 ,095 --> 00:28:51,065

obsessed about anything, but I'd love

to sit down with Jen Apatow one day.

611

28:51 ,075 --> 00:28:53,555

The guy always seems to be

batting a thousand, you know.

612

28:53 ,635 --> 00:28:53,865

Yes.

613

28:54 ,385 --> 00:28:57,205

What, what was like working

on one of his projects?

614

28:57 ,405 --> 00:29:02,175

Katie O'Brien: Uh, I, I mean, it was

everything you would think and more, and

615

29:02 ,175 --> 00:29:08,325

I had such a minuscule role on it, and

it was so incredible to be a part of it,

616

29:08 ,325 --> 00:29:13,905

and you know, he's exactly what you would

think in my short time working with him.

617

29:13 ,914 --> 00:29:16,395

He was incredibly collaborative, fun.

618

29:16 ,885 --> 00:29:19,985

Uh, you know, he really

wasn't behind the monitors.

619

29:19 ,985 --> 00:29:25,284

He was just out with us, um, and, you

know, just sort of like, what about this?

620

29:25 ,305 --> 00:29:25,775

Try this.

621

29:25 ,785 --> 00:29:26,635

Have fun with this.

622

29:26 ,635 --> 00:29:32,125

Like, it was very collaborative and

fun and frankly, very easygoing.

623

29:32 ,635 --> 00:29:35,735

Like it truly was a wonderful experience.

624

29:35 ,735 --> 00:29:37,395

It was really cool to watch him work.

625

29:37 ,455 --> 00:29:38,025

And

626

29:38 ,615 --> 00:29:39,785

Marc Preston: where did y'all shoot this?

627

29:39 ,895 --> 00:29:40,505

Uh, the film,

628

29:41 ,224 --> 00:29:44,065

Katie O'Brien: my part, we shot,

well, we shot in the Palisades

629

29:44 ,065 --> 00:29:45,654

at a house in the Palisades.

630

29:45 ,875 --> 00:29:49,585

Um, and so that's where I shot, but I know

that they were shooting some of it abroad,

631

29:49 ,614 --> 00:29:54,940

but I shot here in LA and, uh, because it

was COVID, it was a. super minimal crew.

632

29:55 ,080 --> 00:29:56,380

Very, very bare bones.

633

29:56 ,420 --> 00:29:59,340

And I showed up to this

house in the Palisades.

634

29:59 ,700 --> 00:30:04,480

Judd was there and it was like,

okay, let's do this thing and did it.

635

30:04 ,480 --> 00:30:06,420

And it was incredible.

636

30:06 ,430 --> 00:30:08,440

He's the loveliest, kindest.

637

30:08 ,830 --> 00:30:12,000

A human who's just incredibly

talented and smart.

638

30:12 ,490 --> 00:30:15,240

Marc Preston: It's funny because it

was a movie about a thing that was

639

30:15 ,240 --> 00:30:18,060

actually going on at the time They were

shooting it and I can't tell you the

640

30:18 ,070 --> 00:30:21,730

the uh, kind of trying to think even

Right about the time we started this

641

30:21 ,730 --> 00:30:25,519

show, uh this podcast Some of the folks

I was talking to they're like, hang

642

30:25 ,519 --> 00:30:26,370

on a second Can you hang on a second?

643

30:26 ,370 --> 00:30:28,040

I was like you have to go to

their front door There's somebody

644

30:28 ,040 --> 00:30:29,290

there swabbing their nose.

645

30:29 Navigating the Pandemic on Set

30:29 ,300 --> 00:30:32,145

Yes You know, cause when they're on a

show, but you know, you have to kind

646

30:32 ,145 --> 00:30:33,795

of be get tested daily or that's it.

647

30:33 ,795 --> 00:30:36,875

There's this whole thing that people will

write about and talk about years down

648

30:36 ,875 --> 00:30:41,544

the road that was seemingly very normal

for a moment because everybody was doing

649

30:41 ,545 --> 00:30:44,164

Katie O'Brien: it, you showed up

and you got tested and you went

650

30:44 ,164 --> 00:30:47,124

in and it was, I mean, yeah,

it was kind of the whole thing.

651

30:47 ,125 --> 00:30:50,904

I totally forget that that was

all part of it because I think our

652

30:50 ,904 --> 00:30:54,725

brains just don't want to acknowledge

that it was this insane time.

653

30:55 ,155 --> 00:30:57,295

Uh, but it was, it was really cool.

654

30:57 ,295 --> 00:30:57,725

And he's.

655

30:57 ,740 --> 00:30:58,320

So cool.

656

30:58 ,320 --> 00:31:00,060

And I had been a fan of his for forever.

657

31:00 ,060 --> 00:31:03,410

And so just to be in his presence,

I was like, this is crazy.

658

31:03 ,520 --> 00:31:05,620

You know, like he's just a great person.

659

31:05 The Need for More Comedy

31:05 ,770 --> 00:31:08,500

Marc Preston: I'm a big believer

that part of what we need more of

660

31:08 ,500 --> 00:31:10,850

is more of his brand of comedy.

661

31:11 ,140 --> 00:31:14,190

We just need, I think more comedies, you

know, I noticed there's, I don't know.

662

31:14 ,209 --> 00:31:17,250

I was going through, uh, forgot one of

the streamers is like, there seemed to

663

31:17 ,530 --> 00:31:20,070

be a lot of shows about dystopian stuff.

664

31:20 ,990 --> 00:31:24,620

It seems like we're all the goofy, you

know, Hey, I'm down for a fart joke.

665

31:26 ,425 --> 00:31:30,175

So, but, uh, which kind of brings us

to Z sweet, you know, I'm not saying

666

31:30 ,175 --> 00:31:33,265

fart joke to see, I didn't mean like

that, but I mean, you're kind of

667

31:33 ,265 --> 00:31:36,694

doing almost the full three 60 on

the, did you direct any episodes?

668

31:36 Creating the Show

31:36 ,695 --> 00:31:38,295

Cause I know it seems like

you're doing everything else.

669

31:38 ,295 --> 00:31:39,195

It seemed writing it.

670

31:39 ,394 --> 00:31:42,595

Katie O'Brien: I did not

direct, I set out to.

671

31:43 ,505 --> 00:31:48,815

I really wanted to direct and

then as we sort of got into it, I

672

31:48 ,825 --> 00:31:53,515

just, you're wearing so many hats

and you're doing so many things.

673

31:53 ,555 --> 00:31:55,105

And I thought, you know what?

674

31:55 ,584 --> 00:32:00,525

I think to be frank with you, it would

have been a disservice to the show and the

675

32:00 ,525 --> 00:32:03,704

cast for me to try and direct this season.

676

32:03 ,715 --> 00:32:07,485

I think for the first season of a show,

like, It really is my job to protect the

677

32:07 ,485 --> 00:32:11,155

show and make the best show possible and

I think, you know, something I was sort

678

32:11 ,155 --> 00:32:16,505

of wrestling with is like, I needed to

put my own, um, aspirations and goals

679

32:16 ,505 --> 00:32:19,545

of directing to the side for this first

season because I think it would have

680

32:19 ,545 --> 00:32:21,984

gotten in the way, you know, Well, you're

681

32:21 ,985 --> 00:32:22,604

Marc Preston: doing a lot.

682

32:22 ,604 --> 00:32:25,615

I mean, writing it and producing, I

mean, that's, that's, you're, you've

683

32:25 ,615 --> 00:32:27,125

got plenty on your plate to begin with,

684

32:27 ,125 --> 00:32:27,164

Katie O'Brien: you know.

685

32:27 ,165 --> 00:32:30,725

Yeah, and I think for the first season

of a show, you're figuring it out and

686

32:30 ,725 --> 00:32:34,635

you're feeling it all out and you're,

You know, so I think if we were ever

687

32:34 ,635 --> 00:32:37,795

lucky enough to get a season two, I

would love to, I would love to direct.

688

32:37 ,795 --> 00:32:41,404

But this first season, I really

thought stay in the showrunner

689

32:41 ,404 --> 00:32:43,535

lane, make the best show possible.

690

32:43 ,564 --> 00:32:47,485

And then you can, you can look to

direct on, you know, if you continue,

691

32:47 ,725 --> 00:32:49,265

you continue on, but it felt.

692

32:49 ,710 --> 00:32:53,630

It felt a disservice to the show to

try and do that this first season.

693

32:53 Generational Dynamics in the Show

32:53 ,750 --> 00:32:57,530

Marc Preston: Yeah, I will say this is

the parent of Gen Z kids, maybe in Gen X.

694

32:57 ,530 --> 00:33:01,220

I mean, I, I see some of the

like, okay, that's a thing.

695

33:01 ,230 --> 00:33:05,309

You know, it seems like the show

can appeal to multiple generations.

696

33:05 ,370 --> 00:33:09,649

It's almost like you wonder if the,

the, uh, Gen Z kids would, I'm assuming

697

33:09 ,650 --> 00:33:13,630

they're going to see the satire if

they don't, then it's a cute premise.

698

33:13 ,630 --> 00:33:14,330

I really dig it.

699

33:14 ,360 --> 00:33:18,279

I doubt what, but how did that come

together was just observationally or just.

700

33:18 ,480 --> 00:33:23,150

You know, listening the way Gen Z

interacts with other generations and

701

33:23 ,150 --> 00:33:24,550

just kind of like, there's a show there.

702

33:24 ,650 --> 00:33:25,920

Is that how, how did it come together?

703

33:25 ,920 --> 00:33:26,050

Yeah.

704

33:26 ,580 --> 00:33:29,260

Katie O'Brien: So similarly to sort

of what you were talking about before,

705

33:29 ,260 --> 00:33:34,910

you know, I'm a huge fan of just comedy

and I really was craving just a fun.

706

33:35 ,410 --> 00:33:36,750

funny comedy.

707

33:36 ,800 --> 00:33:40,110

I was like, where are these just

like fun, enjoyable comedies?

708

33:40 ,140 --> 00:33:45,679

And I really like, uh, generational

relationships, you know, a lot of my

709

33:45 ,679 --> 00:33:50,550

friendships are generational relationships

between, um, some of my closest friends.

710

33:50 ,610 --> 00:33:54,130

And I thought that was

such an interesting idea.

711

33:54 ,139 --> 00:33:59,015

And then, 2B was looking to get into the

scripted space, and it really was just

712

33:59 ,015 --> 00:34:01,055

sort of kismet how it all came about.

713

34:01 ,055 --> 00:34:03,375

And I just saw the show very clearly.

714

34:03 ,665 --> 00:34:07,865

I wanted to do a super fun, funny comedy

where these generations had to work

715

34:07 ,865 --> 00:34:10,394

together and learn from each other.

716

34:10 ,780 --> 00:34:14,100

But, you know, at the end of the day,

it really is just about character,

717

34:14 ,150 --> 00:34:18,640

you know, strong, funny characters

with strong points of view and, um,

718

34:18 ,919 --> 00:34:20,569

you know, sharing the same space.

719

34:20 ,580 --> 00:34:24,709

So, that's really how the show came

about is, uh, you know, it's not

720

34:24 ,709 --> 00:34:30,770

so specific on Gen Z or Gen X, um,

that's for sure a part of the show.

721

34:31 ,230 --> 00:34:36,250

Uh, and the log line of the show, but it

really is about just very different people

722

34:36 ,260 --> 00:34:39,790

trying to work together and accomplish

the same thing at the end of the day.

723

34:40 ,080 --> 00:34:42,910

Marc Preston: I've only, of course,

got the first couple of episodes, but,

724

34:43 ,140 --> 00:34:45,059

uh, I do like the idea of churros.

725

34:45 ,060 --> 00:34:46,199

That was something I saw.

726

34:46 ,230 --> 00:34:46,980

I was like, you know.

727

34:47 ,265 --> 00:34:50,385

It seemed like the, there was a little,

I don't want to give anything away, but

728

34:50 ,385 --> 00:34:53,875

I was kind of a funny little add on to,

you know, the, you know, it seems like

729

34:53 ,875 --> 00:34:57,265

the whole, I don't even know if it really

is Gen ZB, more millennials that kind of

730

34:57 ,265 --> 00:34:58,874

came out, like when they work at Google.

731

34:58 ,875 --> 00:35:01,645

And that was all about having a fun

atmosphere and that kind of a thing.

732

35:01 ,645 --> 00:35:05,185

And, um, Lauren Graham's character

is like, you know, her whole thing

733

35:05 ,185 --> 00:35:07,445

is she's in which I identify with.

734

35:07 ,455 --> 00:35:11,285

She's like, you know, she's been working

at this ad agency for, was it 30 years?

735

35:11 ,285 --> 00:35:15,555

I think, you know, that's a big

generational note is that whole.

736

35:16 ,050 --> 00:35:19,780

Uh, logging your 10, 000 hours

and then, you know, that was

737

35:19 ,780 --> 00:35:20,950

a, you know, they want it now.

738

35:20 ,950 --> 00:35:23,270

Now that lack of patience, but

it's like, you know, when I was

739

35:23 ,270 --> 00:35:24,879

that age, I was impatient as well.

740

35:25 ,280 --> 00:35:25,590

Katie O'Brien: It's just,

741

35:25 ,590 --> 00:35:27,090

Marc Preston: I had, you know, I,

742

35:27 ,289 --> 00:35:30,720

Katie O'Brien: I mean, I think that,

yeah, the show kind of in a really fun way

743

35:30 ,720 --> 00:35:36,810

explores, like you said, like, you know,

Lauren's character, her name is Monica

744

35:36 ,810 --> 00:35:42,130

and like she had to, you know, she worked

her butt off to get where she was and she.

745

35:42 ,480 --> 00:35:46,910

Put in the hours and the time, and

did all the things, and as a result

746

35:46 ,920 --> 00:35:48,240

had a really successful career.

747

35:48 ,280 --> 00:35:53,380

And, you know, Gen Z, who's sort

of led by Madison Shamoon, who

748

35:53 ,380 --> 00:35:57,750

plays Kriska, their attitude is

like, I should just deserve this.

749

35:58 ,175 --> 00:36:02,225

Like, why wouldn't I just get this

and they have a totally different

750

36:02 ,225 --> 00:36:07,584

approach to work life balance and what

it means to work and so, yeah, there

751

36:07 ,584 --> 00:36:11,115

isn't like, you know, we did a lot of

research talking to people that worked

752

36:11 ,115 --> 00:36:14,244

at companies of what, you know, the

different generations felt about working.

753

36:14 ,245 --> 00:36:17,705

It was really interesting

to hear, you know, how.

754

36:18 ,000 --> 00:36:21,220

Boomers and Gen X will

do anything for the job.

755

36:21 ,320 --> 00:36:25,020

And Gen Z is like, I, my mental

health and my life come first.

756

36:25 ,060 --> 00:36:28,190

And the job can just, I'll

find another job if I have to.

757

36:28 ,489 --> 00:36:30,899

So it was really interesting to

talk to different people, uh,

758

36:30 ,899 --> 00:36:32,120

what their experiences were like.

759

36:32 ,120 --> 00:36:36,389

The

760

36:39 Casting the Characters

36:39 ,269 --> 00:36:41,980

Marc Preston: casting, was that

something that was easy for you?

761

36:41 ,980 --> 00:36:46,180

Or was that, you had a clear picture

of who you wanted or the kind of,

762

36:46 ,320 --> 00:36:47,460

kind of characters you wanted?

763

36:47 ,460 --> 00:36:50,095

Or Was it a long, arduous

process to get there?

764

36:50 ,205 --> 00:36:54,185

Katie O'Brien: That was a really

interesting process because, you know,

765

36:54 ,195 --> 00:36:58,585

you go, when you write something and you

create something, you, you have an idea.

766

36:59 ,335 --> 00:37:06,535

Uh, and I didn't really have

anyone specific in mind for Monica.

767

37:06 ,585 --> 00:37:08,975

I just sort of had this idea

of what I wanted her to be.

768

37:09 ,005 --> 00:37:12,945

And then you kind of are

shocked when anybody's willing

769

37:12 ,945 --> 00:37:15,624

to do it and shows interest.

770

37:15 ,625 --> 00:37:21,615

And so, With Lauren, I was such

a big fan of Gilmore Girls and,

771

37:21 ,905 --> 00:37:27,675

uh, when she showed an interest in

the project, I was just floored.

772

37:27 ,715 --> 00:37:29,295

And I was like, oh my gosh, yes.

773

37:29 ,315 --> 00:37:34,755

And she really brings, uh, an intelligence

to Monica and a sophistication.

774

37:34 ,755 --> 00:37:38,655

And she really elevated the character

in a way that I could not have

775

37:38 ,795 --> 00:37:42,055

anticipated and really made her

so much more three dimensional.

776

37:42 ,405 --> 00:37:43,565

then was on the page.

777

37:43 ,795 --> 00:37:44,965

So she was quite easy.

778

37:44 ,995 --> 00:37:50,075

Nico Santos, who plays Doug, I have been

friends with Nico for over 10 years.

779

37:50 ,075 --> 00:37:52,845

And so writing Doug, I always

knew I wanted it to be Nico.

780

37:53 ,215 --> 00:37:54,865

I was like, I wrote it for Nico.

781

37:54 ,865 --> 00:37:56,134

I was hoping it was Nico.

782

37:56 ,135 --> 00:37:58,604

I couldn't imagine anybody else but Nico.

783

37:58 ,915 --> 00:38:04,105

So when he was willing to do it, I

just was so grateful because I can't

784

38:04 ,105 --> 00:38:06,165

imagine anybody else playing that role.

785

38:06 ,615 --> 00:38:08,985

Um, and then for the Gen Z kids.

786

38:09 ,745 --> 00:38:15,105

You know, Madison came to us quite late

in the audition process and I saw her

787

38:15 ,105 --> 00:38:21,404

tape pretty late and I, we sort of had

a direction we thought we were going

788

38:21 ,405 --> 00:38:25,785

to go in and then Madison's tape came

in and I was really impressed by her.

789

38:26 ,045 --> 00:38:30,274

And she came in and read and I just

was like, Oh my gosh, she's fantastic.

790

38:30 ,474 --> 00:38:36,745

Um, and then Spencer who plays

Elliot is not what I imagined.

791

38:37 ,975 --> 00:38:41,555

Like, sometimes in casting, this

thing happens where you have a

792

38:41 ,555 --> 00:38:43,195

very clear image of a character.

793

38:43 ,575 --> 00:38:48,715

And I had, I had very loosely written

Elliot based off a friend of mine named

794

38:48 ,725 --> 00:38:53,555

Jimmy Fowley, uh, who's a comedian and

a really talented actor and writer.

795

38:54 ,345 --> 00:39:03,845

And Jimmy is blonde and tan and is,

you know, a lot of energy and I had

796

39:03 ,845 --> 00:39:07,635

a very clear idea of what I wanted

Elliot to be, kind of this like, Jimmy

797

39:07 ,635 --> 00:39:10,275

Fowley slash Troye Sivan character.

798

39:11 ,045 --> 00:39:16,625

And then Spencer Stevenson came in,

and I threw that all out the window.

799

39:17 ,024 --> 00:39:18,424

And I was like, this is Elliot.

800

39:18 ,825 --> 00:39:20,724

Like, Spencer just blew me away.

801

39:20 ,995 --> 00:39:26,365

And then Clem, uh, who's played by

Anna, we searched high and low for Clem.

802

39:26 ,375 --> 00:39:28,195

We tested all over the place.

803

39:28 ,195 --> 00:39:32,885

We tested a bunch of really talented

people who were incredible, but I just

804

39:32 ,885 --> 00:39:35,094

felt like Clem was still out there.

805

39:35 ,515 --> 00:39:39,935

And I was looking on Instagram and

I was looking at people on TikTok

806

39:39 ,935 --> 00:39:44,375

and I was searching high and low

along with our really incredible

807

39:44 ,375 --> 00:39:45,805

casting director, Julie Ashton.

808

39:45 ,825 --> 00:39:48,895

And then Anna came to us by way of UCB.

809

39:49 ,315 --> 00:39:52,895

And submitted a tape and I just was

like, this is Clem, this is Clem.

810

39:53 ,185 --> 00:39:55,325

So it's kind of weird

how it all shook out.

811

39:55 ,335 --> 00:39:57,355

There were some people that

from the beginning I was like,

812

39:57 ,355 --> 00:39:58,475

this is who it has to be.

813

39:58 ,795 --> 00:40:02,944

And then some people who show up and

just totally take you in a direction that

814

40:02 ,944 --> 00:40:04,684

you think, gosh, this is so fantastic.

815

40:04 ,684 --> 00:40:05,944

It can't not be this person.

816

40:07 ,130 --> 00:40:07,150

So

817

40:07 ,230 --> 00:40:09,770

Marc Preston: yeah, I'm writing the,

I guess you have to be, you know,

818

40:09 ,780 --> 00:40:13,510

very flexible, but I was talking to

somebody the other day and, uh, you

819

40:13 ,510 --> 00:40:16,290

know, in the writing, in the books

about her screenplay writing, they

820

40:16 ,290 --> 00:40:19,179

like, you know, like, don't, don't cast

it while you're, you know, writing,

821

40:19 ,189 --> 00:40:20,640

you know, I was like, how can you not?

822

40:20 ,809 --> 00:40:22,590

Cause you know, as you're writing

it, you're putting it together.

823

40:22 ,590 --> 00:40:23,759

You're getting this idea.

824

40:23 Writing Process and Inspirations

40:23 ,810 --> 00:40:26,900

Uh, but like you're saying sometimes

like, it's gotta be this person

825

40:27 ,150 --> 00:40:28,560

like is writing for you easy.

826

40:28 ,570 --> 00:40:32,000

Is it something that you sit down and

kind of suffer from too many options

827

40:32 ,200 --> 00:40:34,410

or is it very methodical process?

828

40:34 ,430 --> 00:40:35,760

What's writing like for you?

829

40:36 ,130 --> 00:40:37,220

Katie O'Brien: Oh, that's a good question.

830

40:37 ,230 --> 00:40:37,510

You know what?

831

40:37 ,580 --> 00:40:41,160

I, I'm kind of a really, I'm really

more of a collaborative writer.

832

40:41 ,660 --> 00:40:46,030

I, I really like collaborate,

collaborating while writing because I come

833

40:46 ,030 --> 00:40:47,640

from a really collaborative background.

834

40:47 ,650 --> 00:40:53,200

So I don't really sit down and,

you know, I'm not like a, a Mike

835

40:53 ,209 --> 00:40:58,420

White where I sit down and I can put

together the entire thing by myself.

836

40:58 ,420 --> 00:40:59,950

I really like collaborating.

837

40:59 ,960 --> 00:41:03,560

And so, just because I think I

come from an improv background

838

41:03 ,660 --> 00:41:05,130

and I'm, I'm used to that.

839

41:05 ,130 --> 00:41:09,620

So I'll usually bounce things,

bounce ideas off friends or kind of

840

41:09 ,670 --> 00:41:11,349

workshop things or talk them out.

841

41:11 ,349 --> 00:41:14,840

And then I'll sit down and write

them out, but it's very piecemeal.

842

41:15 ,099 --> 00:41:17,679

Um, it comes and goes

some days I'm feeling it.

843

41:17 ,690 --> 00:41:21,230

Sometimes I'm not, but I do try

and just plow through whenever I'm

844

41:21 ,230 --> 00:41:25,010

not feeling it because I find if I

stop, the only time I get into real

845

41:25 ,010 --> 00:41:27,810

trouble is if I stop writing, that's

the only time I get into trouble.

846

41:28 ,150 --> 00:41:31,195

Marc Preston: Do you, do you have a,

like a little, Notebook in your purse

847

41:31 ,195 --> 00:41:33,675

or whatever you pull out and you're

making notes all day long, or you see,

848

41:33 ,685 --> 00:41:37,945

you hear somebody say something like,

uh, just the line, like he was in at

849

41:37 ,945 --> 00:41:41,435

the, at the coffee shop, you know, just

a little, like, does that based off an

850

41:41 ,435 --> 00:41:44,805

experience or just, you know, those kinds

of things, you know, yeah, I'm kind of, I

851

41:44 ,874 --> 00:41:47,004

Katie O'Brien: have a notes app in

my phone where I'm sort of always

852

41:47 ,035 --> 00:41:50,755

jotting things down and then I'll

usually sometimes write scenes for

853

41:50 ,895 --> 00:41:52,145

things that I'm thinking about.

854

41:52 ,145 --> 00:41:54,959

I'll just throw it up on

final draft and then, um, Bye.

855

41:55 ,200 --> 00:41:57,510

Yeah, so that's kind of

the way I go about it.

856

41:57 ,510 --> 00:41:58,640

It's, it's very piecemeal.

857

41:58 ,640 --> 00:42:05,230

It's not linear or, um, but I

do try and start from, uh, like

858

42:05 ,260 --> 00:42:07,000

a beat sheet or an outline.

859

42:07 ,000 --> 00:42:09,860

I, I can't just sort of

go in free, free flow,

860

42:10 ,270 --> 00:42:12,099

Marc Preston: you know, whenever I

write something, it's just kind of for

861

42:12 ,100 --> 00:42:15,489

fun, a little cathartic exercise, you

know, I haven't done it in a while.

862

42:15 ,489 --> 00:42:17,649

I'm like, maybe one day I'll

sell a screenplay, who knows.

863

42:17 ,939 --> 00:42:19,970

But for me, it's just

kind of, just kind of fun.

864

42:19 ,970 --> 00:42:23,590

It's on occasion, just sit down final

draft and start banging something out.

865

42:23 ,940 --> 00:42:24,499

Um, yeah.

866

42:24 ,500 --> 00:42:27,800

You know, one of the things

I really, I enjoyed about it.

867

42:27 ,800 --> 00:42:29,550

It's like, actually I forgot what it got.

868

42:29 ,550 --> 00:42:31,840

It got a solid laugh out

of me a couple of times.

869

42:31 ,840 --> 00:42:36,280

Kind of like, it's something where like

my generation, the Gen X kids will look at

870

42:36 ,280 --> 00:42:38,150

and go, yeah, that's really aggravating.

871

42:38 ,319 --> 00:42:42,149

And I imagine my kids generation will look

at it and go, yeah, I understand that.

872

42:42 ,149 --> 00:42:42,309

Yeah.

873

42:42 ,490 --> 00:42:47,410

So it's, it really kind of pokes fun

equally, you know, which is kind of nice.

874

42:47 ,410 --> 00:42:47,430

The

875

42:47 ,430 --> 00:42:48,790

Katie O'Brien: intention

is nobody's right.

876

42:48 ,870 --> 00:42:50,580

The intention is nobody's right.

877

42:50 ,650 --> 00:42:51,750

Everybody's wrong.

878

42:51 ,819 --> 00:42:52,369

And.

879

42:52 ,680 --> 00:42:56,020

Yeah, I really wanted a show where,

like, my mom could watch it and my

880

42:56 ,020 --> 00:43:00,610

younger brother could watch it and enjoy

it at the same time and just laugh.

881

43:00 ,630 --> 00:43:06,139

And it's not meant to be a larger message

of Gen X is right or Gen Z is right.

882

43:06 ,139 --> 00:43:09,270

It's just meant to be, uh,

everybody's just doing what they know.

883

43:09 ,850 --> 00:43:11,140

Doing the best they can.

884

43:11 ,140 --> 00:43:13,460

And that, you know,

that can be problematic.

885

43:13 ,530 --> 00:43:16,640

Marc Preston: The opening sequence

in the first episode, uh, with

886

43:16 ,650 --> 00:43:20,910

Madison's character, uh, she's

recording her life on phone.

887

43:20 ,910 --> 00:43:24,659

And which, which is really funny

because one of the things I always

888

43:24 ,660 --> 00:43:27,450

think about is like, there's somebody

on the other side of that phone.

889

43:27 ,480 --> 00:43:30,290

There's been a couple of times,

like I've been at the grocery store

890

43:30 ,290 --> 00:43:32,630

or somewhere, and somebody has got

their phone and they're having a

891

43:32 ,630 --> 00:43:33,720

little moment with her, I was like.

892

43:34 ,030 --> 00:43:36,270

Who, what are they talking with somebody?

893

43:36 ,270 --> 00:43:37,910

Are they, what's going on here?

894

43:37 ,910 --> 00:43:38,250

You know?

895

43:38 ,540 --> 00:43:42,710

So it was kind of a cute way of, of

referencing, okay, there's another world

896

43:42 ,780 --> 00:43:47,360

that's observing her doing her, like

she's living in her own little bubble.

897

43:47 ,429 --> 00:43:49,999

You know, and it was, it was

very satisfying to watch that.

898

43:50 ,000 --> 00:43:52,149

I will say, yeah,

899

43:52 ,150 --> 00:43:56,340

Katie O'Brien: she's very much the main

character in her world and everybody's

900

43:56 ,340 --> 00:43:58,190

just, just, you know, side players.

901

43:58 ,590 --> 00:44:00,710

Marc Preston: I'm looking at

like, okay, where, where is the

902

44:00 ,710 --> 00:44:02,360

instant inspiration coming from?

903

44:02 ,410 --> 00:44:06,030

Did you sit down and buy many

lunches for some younger Gen Z kids?

904

44:06 ,030 --> 00:44:07,430

You're just like, give me your ideas.

905

44:07 ,430 --> 00:44:09,299

What's, you know, it

was, it was that idea.

906

44:09 ,300 --> 00:44:11,250

Like when I worked in radio,

they're always trying to

907

44:11 ,250 --> 00:44:12,370

bring in somebody younger.

908

44:12 ,370 --> 00:44:13,680

There's always some consultant.

909

44:13 ,700 --> 00:44:17,490

There's always somebody who knows

a thing in the end, the powers that

910

44:17 ,499 --> 00:44:20,609

be that are out of touch, don't

know who to reach to, you know?

911

44:20 ,609 --> 00:44:21,750

So I re that's kind of cool.

912

44:21 ,750 --> 00:44:22,434

The way it.

913

44:22 ,435 --> 00:44:26,685

You know, right out of the gate, it kind

of alludes to that, you know, like who's

914

44:26 ,685 --> 00:44:30,215

knowledgeable, who's going to tap into

this thing we don't understand at all.

915

44:30 ,255 --> 00:44:34,064

You know, what kind of research

did you do to make that all happen?

916

44:34 Gen Z Research and Realism

44:34 ,425 --> 00:44:35,285

You know, generally

917

44:35 ,324 --> 00:44:39,154

Katie O'Brien: I did a lot of

research on Tik TOK, uh, which was

918

44:39 ,154 --> 00:44:43,795

just beyond enjoyable and honestly,

shout out to my Gen Z brother, Nick.

919

44:43 ,905 --> 00:44:46,875

Um, he was my little Gen Z consultant.

920

44:46 ,915 --> 00:44:48,085

I had him read.

921

44:48 ,620 --> 00:44:52,400

drafts of the pilot where I was

like, does this feel accurate?

922

44:52 ,400 --> 00:44:53,640

Does this feel accurate?

923

44:53 ,960 --> 00:44:58,779

Um, and he would sort of

fact check me on a lot of it.

924

44:58 ,790 --> 00:45:01,050

So I have, I had him as a source.

925

45:01 ,050 --> 00:45:06,079

I had cousins, we had Gen Z writers in the

writer's room who it was very humbling.

926

45:06 ,280 --> 00:45:08,400

Where, you know, we would throw

out an idea and they'd be like,

927

45:08 ,460 --> 00:45:12,520

uh, that's not what people say

anymore, or that's not what we do.

928

45:12 ,520 --> 00:45:14,070

And it'd be like, Oh, okay.

929

45:14 ,530 --> 00:45:15,070

So,

930

45:15 ,430 --> 00:45:18,250

Marc Preston: yeah, there was, there

was a cringe moment with, uh, Lauren's

931

45:18 ,280 --> 00:45:22,820

character was, uh, you know, trying,

trying as, you know, she's, I guess.

932

45:23 ,200 --> 00:45:27,210

My generation, Gen X trying to connect

and use phrase like I can see myself

933

45:27 ,210 --> 00:45:30,590

being in that same situation and that

that's how they say if you could determine

934

45:30 ,590 --> 00:45:36,849

if somebody, somebody's generation by

the slang they use, you know, um, and

935

45:36 ,859 --> 00:45:39,929

yeah, I have to ask my kids, you know,

they're the ones who decrypt for me,

936

45:39 ,990 --> 00:45:43,250

uh, you know, like the phraseology

that you allude to in the show.

937

45:44 ,160 --> 00:45:45,150

They can interpret for me.

938

45:45 ,150 --> 00:45:46,693

I will say that it's nice

939

45:46 ,693 --> 00:45:49,781

Katie O'Brien: to have like an interpreter

and it was so interesting because you

940

45:49 ,781 --> 00:45:56,650

know, there was so much about Gen Z that

I actually really admire that like I find

941

45:56 ,660 --> 00:46:01,525

them to be a really incredible generation

and You know, things that I would talk

942

46:01 ,525 --> 00:46:05,115

to my brother about or or writers in

the writers room where I was like, gosh,

943

46:05 ,115 --> 00:46:06,815

there's so much about this generation.

944

46:06 ,815 --> 00:46:08,365

That's really incredible.

945

46:08 ,754 --> 00:46:12,405

And then I found like any other generation

being like, and then there's things

946

46:12 ,405 --> 00:46:14,245

about this generation that I hate.

947

46:14 ,845 --> 00:46:17,354

So I think it's just how we all feel.

948

46:17 ,355 --> 00:46:20,785

You know, I think we're all very

Partial to our own generation

949

46:20 ,795 --> 00:46:22,135

and our own experiences.

950

46:22 ,135 --> 00:46:25,615

And if you didn't do things exactly

how we did it, you know, we kind of

951

46:25 ,645 --> 00:46:28,644

have an ax to grind, but then it's

sort of, there's something sort of

952

46:28 ,644 --> 00:46:31,725

wonderful about looking at all the really

wonderful things that this generation

953

46:31 ,915 --> 00:46:35,255

does put first and forward that you're

kind of like, you know what they have.

954

46:35 ,270 --> 00:46:36,080

So much right.

955

46:36 ,440 --> 00:46:37,660

So it was a good education.

956

46:38 ,230 --> 00:46:40,120

Marc Preston: Things move

a lot faster for them.

957

46:40 ,120 --> 00:46:41,290

We didn't have phones in our pod.

958

46:41 ,290 --> 00:46:43,710

Well, I didn't have phones, my

phone in my pocket when I was a kid.

959

46:44 ,270 --> 00:46:47,700

Um, you know, the, whenever the

phone, whenever they did have phones,

960

46:47 ,750 --> 00:46:48,770

they couldn't fit in your pocket.

961

46:48 ,989 --> 00:46:49,449

Certainly.

962

46:49 ,610 --> 00:46:51,230

I just think things move a lot faster.

963

46:51 ,230 --> 00:46:55,139

We talk about MTV, you know, the

trends used to travel West to East,

964

46:55 ,140 --> 00:46:56,440

you know, and what's happening in LA.

965

46:56 ,450 --> 00:47:00,780

And now it's everywhere all at once,

you know, uh, and it lasts two seconds.

966

47:01 ,210 --> 00:47:05,190

It seems like, are you working on just,

This right now, or you got some other

967

47:05 ,190 --> 00:47:09,610

things that are cooking, uh, anything on

the horizon, you know, on camera, behind

968

47:09 ,610 --> 00:47:10,700

the camera, anything you're working on?

969

47:10 ,700 --> 00:47:13,559

Katie O'Brien: Yeah, right now I'm

still heavily involved in this.

970

47:13 ,559 --> 00:47:17,889

I'm, I'm in post, which is so wonderful

and fun to see it all come together.

971

47:17 ,889 --> 00:47:20,949

And then, I mean, yeah, there's

so much more I want to do.

972

47:21 ,059 --> 00:47:25,390

I, I, I'm, I always creating

and writing and I would love to

973

47:25 ,390 --> 00:47:27,610

direct and get more into that.

974

47:27 ,610 --> 00:47:30,940

And so I don't know, I feel like I kind

of always have things going on, um, but

975

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this is definitely first and foremost.

976

47:32 ,800 --> 00:47:33,120

And.

977

47:33 ,465 --> 00:47:34,475

Finishing this out.

978

47:34 ,475 --> 00:47:35,585

And it's just been a blast.

979

47:35 ,795 --> 00:47:38,885

I've, I've had the time of

my life doing this show.

980

47:39 ,225 --> 00:47:41,435

So I'm really excited to get it out there.

981

47:48 The Seven Questions

47:48 ,394 --> 00:47:50,665

Marc Preston: Before we get going

here, I always do a, what I call

982

47:50 ,665 --> 00:47:53,745

my seven questions at the back end,

and I always end up talking about

983

47:53 ,745 --> 00:47:55,254

food at least once in an episode.

984

47:55 ,255 --> 00:47:56,895

I always like to ask what is.

985

47:57 ,465 --> 00:47:58,715

Now you're a Nebraska girl.

986

47:58 ,715 --> 00:47:58,945

I know.

987

47:58 ,985 --> 00:47:59,665

I got to know.

988

47:59 ,905 --> 00:48:03,075

I don't know if it's a big old hunk of

steak or what it is, but your favorite,

989

48:03 ,225 --> 00:48:05,305

your all time favorite comfort food.

990

48:05 ,325 --> 00:48:05,435

I

991

48:05 ,435 --> 00:48:06,564

Katie O'Brien: know exactly what this is.

992

48:07 ,705 --> 00:48:13,655

Bone in ribeye, medium, loaded

baked potato, no sour cream,

993

48:14 ,065 --> 00:48:16,915

wedge salad, large diet coke.

994

48:17 ,215 --> 00:48:17,705

Boom.

995

48:17 ,965 --> 00:48:18,365

Done.

996

48:19 ,194 --> 00:48:19,224

Marc Preston: Wait.

997

48:19 ,284 --> 00:48:19,434

Wait.

998

48:19 ,455 --> 00:48:21,165

Loaded baked potato with no sour cream.

999

48:21 ,234 --> 00:48:21,454

No

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Katie O'Brien: sour cream.

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48:22 ,015 --> 00:48:23,515

I can't do sour cream.

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48:23 ,515 --> 00:48:25,735

I think it's, I don't know what it is.

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Oh, you're

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48:26 ,475 --> 00:48:27,785

Marc Preston: one of

those textural people.

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48:27 ,785 --> 00:48:28,955

I mean, I'm one of those too.

Speaker:1006

48:28 ,955 --> 00:48:30,895

I can't do Alfredo sauces or anything.

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48:30 ,895 --> 00:48:31,615

Yeah, I'm not

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48:31 ,615 --> 00:48:33,715

Katie O'Brien: a big Alfredo

person either, but like sour

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48:33 ,715 --> 00:48:34,775

cream, I'm like, what is it?

Speaker:1010

48:35 ,025 --> 00:48:35,895

Why do we have it?

Speaker:1011

48:35 ,904 --> 00:48:36,915

What do we need it for?

Speaker:1012

48:37 ,215 --> 00:48:38,745

It's cream, but I don't get it.

Speaker:1013

48:38 ,755 --> 00:48:43,675

So So no sour cream, but like butter,

bacon bits, chives, all of that,

Speaker:1014

48:43 ,685 --> 00:48:47,375

cheese, give me a baked potato, but

like, do not put sour cream near it.

Speaker:1015

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Marc Preston: So, so your

favorite comfort food is a steak.

Speaker:1016

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See, everybody I know from Omaha,

they always talk about this steak.

Speaker:1017

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The steaks, the steaks, the

Speaker:1018

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Katie O'Brien: Omaha steaks.

Speaker:1019

48:54 ,695 --> 00:48:56,065

Yeah, it's like what we have.

Speaker:1020

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Marc Preston: Yum.

Speaker:1021

48:56 ,805 --> 00:48:59,375

So do you ever see Warren Buffett by any

chance when you're rolling around Omaha?

Speaker:1022

48:59 ,375 --> 00:48:59,804

I

Speaker:1023

48:59 ,805 --> 00:49:00,865

Katie O'Brien: do actually.

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49:01 ,205 --> 00:49:03,575

Yeah, I, I've seen him a couple of times.

Speaker:1025

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One time, this was a real big

celebrity sighting in Omaha,

Speaker:1026

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but, um, I saw him at Nebraska

Furniture Mart, which was thrilling.

Speaker:1027

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Um, but yeah, he's, he's our

guy, the Oracle of Omaha.

Speaker:1028

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You know, we also have Alexander Payne.

Speaker:1029

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He's our other, uh, homegrown

hero, but yeah, you see

Speaker:1030

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Warren every once in a while.

Speaker:1031

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I haven't seen him in the last

couple of years, but, um, he's a

Speaker:1032

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good sighting when you can catch him.

Speaker:1033

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Marc Preston: Yeah.

Speaker:1034

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Yeah.

Speaker:1035

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Cause I, uh, once upon a time, uh, I

do voice, I do a lot of voiceover and

Speaker:1036

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I do kind of focus on promo stuff.

Speaker:1037

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And I was the voice of the, uh, of

the, uh, Uh, uh, Nebraska football,

Speaker:1038

49:40 ,270 --> 00:49:42,870

you know, they had me do like the

TV stuff, you know, you're watching

Speaker:1039

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blah, blah, blah, you know, um, so

you got a little bit of connection.

Speaker:1040

49:46 ,060 --> 00:49:49,539

That's where I heard about steak

from, you know, as those guys, next

Speaker:1041

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question I got for you, if you're

going to sit down, you're going to talk

Speaker:1042

49:51 ,829 --> 00:49:56,479

story, uh, you're gonna have coffee,

you and three other people living or

Speaker:1043

49:56 ,479 --> 00:49:59,730

not, who would you like to sit down

with for a few hours to talk story?

Speaker:1044

49:59 ,880 --> 00:50:01,320

Katie O'Brien: This is

a really good question.

Speaker:1045

50:01 ,590 --> 00:50:02,660

I'm going to go with Jesus.

Speaker:1046

50:03 ,235 --> 00:50:06,855

Because if he shows up,

it will clarify a lot.

Speaker:1047

50:07 ,135 --> 00:50:08,465

If he doesn't, do you know what I mean?

Speaker:1048

50:09 ,095 --> 00:50:10,685

Okay, so he would be number one.

Speaker:1049

50:10 ,975 --> 00:50:13,995

Um, number two.

Speaker:1050

50:14 ,795 --> 00:50:16,464

This is good, this is good.

Speaker:1051

50:16 ,635 --> 00:50:22,430

Uh, I'm gonna go, cause, And also he could

be the greatest storyteller of our time.

Speaker:1052

50:22 ,870 --> 00:50:25,970

Marc Preston: Um, And plus it

saves money just to order water.

Speaker:1053

50:25 ,970 --> 00:50:26,850

It's going to turn into wine.

Speaker:1054

50:26 ,850 --> 00:50:28,069

So, you know, My

Speaker:1055

50:28 ,069 --> 00:50:30,630

Katie O'Brien: dog, could we could

we turn some of this into more?

Speaker:1056

50:31 ,590 --> 00:50:33,529

Um, so he'd be my number one.

Speaker:1057

50:33 ,640 --> 00:50:35,350

Uh reservation.

Speaker:1058

50:35 ,510 --> 00:50:37,040

Um story.

Speaker:1059

50:37 ,099 --> 00:50:42,825

Oh, this is a really good question Uh,

probably also my second one would be

Speaker:1060

50:42 ,825 --> 00:50:46,515

Christopher Guest just because like

I've said, I'm such a big fan of his

Speaker:1061

50:46 ,515 --> 00:50:52,575

and I think he's so fantastic and

smart and funny and all the things.

Speaker:1062

50:52 ,935 --> 00:50:58,705

And then third, I'm going to throw

in there Tina Fey because I think

Speaker:1063

50:58 ,705 --> 00:51:03,325

she's incredible and very talented and

she's been a hero of mine for forever

Speaker:1064

51:03 ,325 --> 00:51:07,860

and I think her knack for story and

television writing is It's unprecedented.

Speaker:1065

51:08 ,300 --> 00:51:09,670

So it'd be, I was just

Speaker:1066

51:09 ,670 --> 00:51:11,710

Marc Preston: talking about my son was

in town to get the day where we were

Speaker:1067

51:11 ,710 --> 00:51:14,390

talking about who's going to take over

eventually on Saturday night live.

Speaker:1068

51:14 ,390 --> 00:51:17,390

I'm like, I think Tina Fey

would take it to the next level.

Speaker:1069

51:17 ,409 --> 00:51:18,560

Katie O'Brien: Yeah, for sure.

Speaker:1070

51:19 ,129 --> 00:51:23,470

Marc Preston: Um, but yeah, the big JC

comes up a lot, uh, is an answer to this.

Speaker:1071

51:23 ,470 --> 00:51:24,490

So there you go.

Speaker:1072

51:24 ,530 --> 00:51:28,940

So that, that's a plus I think,

uh, I mean just Jesus and Tina face

Speaker:1073

51:28 ,940 --> 00:51:29,900

sitting down and going back and forth.

Speaker:1074

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That would be interesting.

Speaker:1075

51:30 ,970 --> 00:51:32,769

Katie O'Brien: It would

be, it would be great.

Speaker:1076

51:32 ,920 --> 00:51:35,810

Marc Preston: Now, the next question I got

for you going back to when you were young

Speaker:1077

51:35 ,900 --> 00:51:40,850

or younger rather, but who is your first

celebrity crush when you were growing up?

Speaker:1078

51:41 ,410 --> 00:51:45,280

Katie O'Brien: Oh, it was,

that's a really good question.

Speaker:1079

51:45 ,350 --> 00:51:49,729

I, the, the first one that comes

to mind only because he recently

Speaker:1080

51:49 ,729 --> 00:51:53,070

resurfaced on the news is I really did

have a big crush on Steve Guttenberg.

Speaker:1081

51:53 ,980 --> 00:51:56,410

I was a little bit of a Guttenberg gal.

Speaker:1082

51:56 ,830 --> 00:51:57,010

Marc Preston: Yeah.

Speaker:1083

51:57 ,010 --> 00:52:00,100

I saw him on TV a couple of days ago.

Speaker:1084

52:00 ,100 --> 00:52:01,019

Yeah.

Speaker:1085

52:01 ,020 --> 00:52:02,420

Katie O'Brien: He popped up

and I was like, there's my guy.

Speaker:1086

52:04 ,705 --> 00:52:07,625

But yeah, Steve, I had a big crush

on Steve Guttenberg growing up.

Speaker:1087

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Um, you know, a lot of other people my

age might say Jonathan Taylor Thomas or,

Speaker:1088

52:14 ,264 --> 00:52:17,415

you know, but really when it comes down

to it, I was, I was a Gutenberg gal.

Speaker:1089

52:17 ,815 --> 00:52:18,734

Marc Preston: He's a funny guy.

Speaker:1090

52:18 ,735 --> 00:52:19,784

Plus he was kind of built.

Speaker:1091

52:19 ,824 --> 00:52:20,024

Yeah.

Speaker:1092

52:20 ,365 --> 00:52:20,535

Yeah.

Speaker:1093

52:21 ,604 --> 00:52:24,655

Now the next question I got for you,

if you're going to be going to, let's

Speaker:1094

52:24 ,655 --> 00:52:27,825

say you're going to be on an island,

exotic island, uh, somewhere you

Speaker:1095

52:27 ,825 --> 00:52:28,745

want to be, it's not, you're not as.

Speaker:1096

52:29 ,290 --> 00:52:29,970

Cast away.

Speaker:1097

52:30 ,510 --> 00:52:32,690

Uh, it's like a resort,

but there's no streaming.

Speaker:1098

52:32 ,690 --> 00:52:33,360

There's no internet.

Speaker:1099

52:33 ,370 --> 00:52:36,190

You're going to have to bring, uh, if

you want to listen to music, you got

Speaker:1100

52:36 ,190 --> 00:52:42,279

to bring one DV, uh, one CD, and you're

going to want to watch a movie, one DVD,

Speaker:1101

52:42 ,429 --> 00:52:44,150

or I'll even say a box set if you want.

Speaker:1102

52:44 ,160 --> 00:52:48,659

So it's something you can listen to

and watch, uh, all that whole year.

Speaker:1103

52:48 ,659 --> 00:52:49,710

You're going to be on the Island.

Speaker:1104

52:50 ,060 --> 00:52:52,900

What would, what would the CD,

and what would the DVD be for you?

Speaker:1105

52:52 ,900 --> 00:52:53,120

Katie O'Brien: Okay.

Speaker:1106

52:53 ,120 --> 00:52:56,080

The CD would be Fleetwood Mac's Rumors.

Speaker:1107

52:57 ,000 --> 00:53:03,740

And the DVD would be Best in Show just

cause that's, that's the number one.

Speaker:1108

53:03 ,750 --> 00:53:03,980

Yeah.

Speaker:1109

53:03 ,980 --> 00:53:07,879

Neither of those really have island

vibes, but that's what I would bring.

Speaker:1110

53:08 ,150 --> 00:53:09,979

Marc Preston: But you could

watch it over and over again.

Speaker:1111

53:10 ,010 --> 00:53:12,579

That's really, there are those,

those movies that always come on.

Speaker:1112

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Like for my kids, it was 50

First Dates and they'd come on

Speaker:1113

53:15 ,970 --> 00:53:16,750

and just end up watching it.

Speaker:1114

53:16 ,750 --> 00:53:19,730

You know, there's some movies you just

don't watch it like, you know, you

Speaker:1115

53:19 ,730 --> 00:53:21,240

don't mind watching over and over again.

Speaker:1116

53:21 ,240 --> 00:53:21,890

It's some music.

Speaker:1117

53:21 ,890 --> 00:53:25,220

It's like the, it can change with your

mood, you know, like you can be in a great

Speaker:1118

53:25 ,230 --> 00:53:27,600

mood You'll want to listen to crappy mood.

Speaker:1119

53:27 ,780 --> 00:53:29,050

It lands also.

Speaker:1120

53:29 ,440 --> 00:53:33,690

Um, now if you were to define, uh,

from beginning, uh, from the time

Speaker:1121

53:33 ,690 --> 00:53:37,859

you wake up to time, you go to sleep,

uh, stem to stern, the component

Speaker:1122

53:37 ,870 --> 00:53:39,650

parts of a perfect day for you.

Speaker:1123

53:39 ,660 --> 00:53:40,600

What would those be?

Speaker:1124

53:40 ,700 --> 00:53:41,230

Katie O'Brien: Coffee.

Speaker:1125

53:42 ,370 --> 00:53:43,050

A lot of coffee.

Speaker:1126

53:43 ,270 --> 00:53:43,470

Very

Speaker:1127

53:43 ,470 --> 00:53:43,700

Marc Preston: good.

Speaker:1128

53:44 ,140 --> 00:53:45,600

Katie O'Brien: Um, some light.

Speaker:1129

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Marc Preston: The question is I never

asked him when people say coffee, which

Speaker:1130

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I, I'm a member of that religion also.

Speaker:1131

53:51 ,490 --> 00:53:53,589

Uh, what exactly is going in your coffee?

Speaker:1132

53:53 ,589 --> 00:53:56,789

Is it black is a little cream or, or

do you, or do you go, or you must be

Speaker:1133

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able to go through Starbucks and the

little sticker on the side of the cup

Speaker:1134

53:59 ,740 --> 00:54:02,850

looks like, you know, the declaration of

independence with all the modifications.

Speaker:1135

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Yeah.

Speaker:1136

54:03 ,070 --> 00:54:03,380

Okay.

Speaker:1137

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Katie O'Brien: So let me turn you onto

this and it's not, it's not changing

Speaker:1138

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the world here, but, um, coffee with a.

Speaker:1139

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Splash of cream and cinnamon powder.

Speaker:1140

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That's my little coffee order.

Speaker:1141

54:14 ,980 --> 00:54:18,820

Um, but I mean, so much coffee

would be a perfect part of my day.

Speaker:1142

54:19 ,110 --> 00:54:20,479

Um, and then.

Speaker:1143

54:20 ,839 --> 00:54:22,420

Marc Preston: It's almost

like a little Mexican ish.

Speaker:1144

54:22 ,420 --> 00:54:22,650

Yes.

Speaker:1145

54:22 ,929 --> 00:54:26,769

And like, uh, like the hot chocolate

little dash of cayenne as well.

Speaker:1146

54:26 ,860 --> 00:54:27,020

Yeah,

Speaker:1147

54:27 ,020 --> 00:54:29,609

Katie O'Brien: love a little

cinnamon, just a sprinkle.

Speaker:1148

54:30 ,050 --> 00:54:35,290

Um, maybe I love how my brain is like X

or maybe a trip to the gym and it's like

Speaker:1149

54:35 ,430 --> 00:54:36,940

that's not a part of my perfect day.

Speaker:1150

54:37 ,030 --> 00:54:40,529

Um, I would say if I'm going to be

really honest with you, it would

Speaker:1151

54:40 ,540 --> 00:54:44,220

be coffee and reality television

would be a perfect day for me.

Speaker:1152

54:44 ,280 --> 00:54:48,111

And that's book, you know, start to

Speaker:1153

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Marc Preston: finish.

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54:48 ,524 --> 00:54:50,430

You're a lady of simple means.

Speaker:1155

54:50 ,430 --> 00:54:55,070

I appreciate that reality,

but, but any particular reality

Speaker:1156

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Katie O'Brien: Um, my entire

personality is reality television

Speaker:1157

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and I mean, listen, housewives, TLC.

Speaker:1158

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I mean, all of Bravo I consume, um,

sister wives, really anything with

Speaker:1159

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wives in the title I've watched.

Speaker:1160

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Uh, but I, I, I love reality television.

Speaker:1161

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It brings me so much joy.

Speaker:1162

55:17 ,785 --> 00:55:19,705

And I'm, I'm its biggest fan.

Speaker:1163

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Marc Preston: Well, I was

kind of OG growing up.

Speaker:1164

55:21 ,482 --> 00:55:23,845

You know, the, uh, uh, real world.

Speaker:1165

55:23 ,845 --> 00:55:24,451

Oh, yeah.

Speaker:1166

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I guess kind of the first, that

was kind of the first reality.

Speaker:1167

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In fact, I, I, I have this, uh, I, I have

a claim to fame when it comes to that.

Speaker:1168

55:30 ,844 --> 00:55:33,634

They, uh, back way back when they

were shooting it in New Orleans.

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I was on the radio in New Orleans

and I managed to get somebody

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who was a friend of someone.

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Long story short, I got banned

from the real world house.

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Uh, from, from, they

were, they, Real world.

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They've sent a memo from New York.

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I do not talk to him anymore.

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Do not, you know, because what

was happening is one of the

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members of the cast was coming on.

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We'd have, we'd have them on the show, you

know, and they did not want that at all.

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And, and it was, so I was like,

but that to me was the original.

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Yeah.

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Reality, uh, uh, now they call

unscripted, you know, um, sorry,

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Katie O'Brien: I am obsessed that

you just said, long story short, I

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was banned from the real world house.

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There's so much missing there.

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I , like what happened?

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Marc Preston: I wa I was tenaciously.

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I, I just was, they were refusing any

kind of like, you know, they didn't

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want to media have anybody on the radio.

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Yeah.

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That, well, that wasn't

even like necessarily media.

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They were, they were just very, they,

they liked to keep everything under wraps.

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Okay.

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So I was like, tenacious.

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I was like, Hey, I just went on the air.

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It's like, hey, if you know

somebody who's at the real world

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house, just gimme a ring, you know?

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Immediately, phone rings, somebody knows

somebody they've been hanging out, I

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don't know if they're dating or whatever.

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And now I'm all plugged in.

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I know all of the drama

that are a good chunk of it.

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And I guess somehow it got out that I

was, I wasn't talking about it on the air

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that why was it given the nitty gritty?

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I was just like, Hey, talk to

somebody out in the real world.

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Cause that was a big deal at the time.

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And And they were like,

apparently I was the subject of

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a memo, which makes me so proud.

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Katie O'Brien: That's

a huge accomplishment.

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Marc Preston: But, uh, but no, yeah.

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So anything with wives, yeah.

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57:13 ,964 --> 00:57:16,715

Katie O'Brien: Housewives, sister,

wives, really anything with wives.

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Marc Preston: Now, next question I got for

you is if you weren't doing this, if this

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was no longer an option, as far as earning

a living, what, besides being an attorney,

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of course, what would you do for a living?

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What would be your gig?

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It'd be something you think

you could find joy doing.

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Katie O'Brien: Oh, that's

a really good question.

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Um.

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I have no other skills, but I would say

maybe something with, like, styling.

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I like clothes.

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57:41 ,865 --> 00:57:45,504

I think I could get a lot of joy

out of being a stylist, uh, or

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working in fashion in some capacity.

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I think I would really enjoy that.

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Um, so yeah, I would say that.

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That would bring me a lot

of joy and be creative.

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Marc Preston: Or even the set decoration,

which by the way, this show, uh,

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y'all have some, some interesting set

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Katie O'Brien: decorations going on.

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Marc Preston: Going back to the

churro thing, you know, I'm not good.

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Katie O'Brien: Diana Magnus, who was

in charge of our set decoration, is in.

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58:06 Final Thoughts and Advice

58:06 ,095 --> 00:58:09,425

Marc Preston: Well, I got one last

question and that is if you were

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to jump into that DeLorean and

travel back, uh, you have a moment

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with 16 year old you, uh, what.

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Is that piece of advice

you'd want to give yourself?

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You have a couple of minutes

either to make that moment of your

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life somehow better or put you

on a little different trajectory.

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What, what, what kind of advice

would you have to 16 year old Katie?

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Katie O'Brien: I would first

tell her not to take Accutane,

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but that's a separate story.

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Um, I would say, don't worry.

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I would say, don't worry.

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I would say, enjoy the ride.

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Don't worry, um, it's gonna work out in

a way that you would have never expected,

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so don't plan anything and just enjoy it.

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I think I would have told her that,

but I also would, I also would sort

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of tease her and be like, it's gonna

be better than you could imagine.

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So I think that's kind of

what I would leave her with.

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But yeah, I, for sure.

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Marc Preston: I have a lot, a lot of folks

that say something very similar to that,

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but I never asked the followup question.

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Are you, are you telling

yourself that now though?

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Katie O'Brien: No, because that

would be, no, absolutely not.

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No, I do try though.

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I think the one thing, the like life

lesson I keep learning is just, yeah.

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Don't plan anything because

anything I've ever planned,

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it doesn't work out that way.

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And so.

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But no, I would never tell

myself that now, of course I'm in

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existential crisis all the time.

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Marc Preston: That's

funny the way life works.

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It's like, you can look in the rear

view mirror, you're like, it's okay,

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or, um, I forgot what this quote was,

but they say, if you are 50 years

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old and you look back your life and

you're 20 and you don't think you're

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any different, you've wasted 30 years.

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And I don't know where that quote

came from, but it's still, yeah.

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It's that thing where you go, God,

I was such a knucklehead, but wait

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a minute, we're all knuckleheads

and we're perpetually, I'm sure.

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God willing, I'm here 30 years from now.

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I'll look back and go, yeah,

it was kind of a knucklehead.

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Yeah, I hope so.

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I think it's a

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Katie O'Brien: great thing to look

back and go, God, I was an idiot.

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I think that's a great thing.

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Marc Preston: I'm so happy.

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I had an opportunity to

sit down and chat with you.

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I'm, I'm again, you need to get on this to

be people get the show out sooner because

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1:00:03 ,705 --> 01:00:05,585

I want to, now you've whetted my appetite.

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1:00:05 ,745 --> 01:00:09,245

I want to see, I want to see more of

the Z sweet, which almost sounds like

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it could be, uh, you know, kind of a fun

office comedy for zombies, but it's not.

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You know,

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1:00:15 ,374 --> 01:00:18,745

Katie O'Brien: yeah, no, I, I

thank you so much for the time

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1:00:18 ,745 --> 01:00:19,825

and for watching the show.

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1:00:19 ,825 --> 01:00:21,405

It's, it's been a joy talking to you.

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1:00:21 ,755 --> 01:00:22,635

Marc Preston: Thank you so much.

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1:00:22 ,635 --> 01:00:24,755

And, uh, hopefully we'll have a

chance to catch up down the line.

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1:00:24 ,955 --> 01:00:25,395

Katie O'Brien: Amazing.

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1:00:25 ,415 --> 01:00:25,935

Thanks, Marc.

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1:00:25 ,935 --> 01:00:26,715

Nice to meet you.

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1:00:28 ,444 --> 01:00:29,265

Marc Preston: Well, there you go.

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1:00:29 ,365 --> 01:00:33,474

Katie O'Brien enjoyed sitting

down, talking a little comedy.

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1:00:33 ,734 --> 01:00:37,275

Uh, the new show on

Tubi comes out February.

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1:00:37 ,555 --> 01:00:40,155

Sixth, it is called the Z suite.

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1:00:40 ,405 --> 01:00:42,725

And as I mentioned

earlier, it's kind of cool.

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1:00:42 ,725 --> 01:00:47,975

You can sit down a Gen X kid like

myself can sit down with my kids, Gen

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1:00:47 ,975 --> 01:00:52,734

Z, and we'll both enjoy it equally a

good show, great show, and a cool to

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1:00:52 ,734 --> 01:00:55,994

sit down with Katie and talk about

what it's like to put together.

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1:00:57 ,445 --> 01:00:58,505

Hey, uh, do me a favor.

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1:01:25 ,064 --> 01:01:27,714

As I always say, thank you

for making whatever I've got.

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1:01:27 ,725 --> 01:01:28,615

going on here.

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1:01:28 ,635 --> 01:01:30,555

Part of whatever you've got going on.

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1:01:30 ,875 --> 01:01:32,715

It is much appreciated.

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Uh, okay.

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1:01:33 ,435 --> 01:01:34,635

So that's it for me.

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1:01:34 ,655 --> 01:01:36,775

Gonna run on out, take

a walk with the pooch.

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Uh, you enjoy the rest of your

day, your evening, your weekend,

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1:01:40 ,845 --> 01:01:42,055

whatever you got going on.

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1:01:42 ,125 --> 01:01:43,275

Thank you for being here.

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And I will talk to you next time

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