Olivia Taylor Dudley | From Syfy’s “The Magicians” to “Touch Me” | Aliens & Nerdy Magic

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WEBVTT00:02.444 --> 00:05.308[SPEAKER_03]: When I was younger, yeah, all my dogs are named after aliens.00:05.529 --> 00:08.373[SPEAKER_03]: It's steady, elf, and Lulu Dallas multi-pass.00:08.393 --> 00:10.837[SPEAKER_03]: So, like, I love sci-fi.00:10.857 --> 00:12.480[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Story and Craft.00:13.020 --> 00:15.184[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's your host, Mark Preston.00:15.384 --> 00:16.165[SPEAKER_01]: All right, here we go.00:16.225 --> 00:18.529[SPEAKER_01]: Another episode of Story and Craft.00:18.509 --> 00:20.552[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for stopping back.00:20.632 --> 00:20.973[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.00:21.614 --> 00:23.216[SPEAKER_01]: I have this is your very first episode.00:23.236 --> 00:23.957[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you.00:24.138 --> 00:26.281[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for checking out the show.00:26.341 --> 00:32.591[SPEAKER_01]: Today, have a great conversation with the actor and producer Olivia Taylor Dudley.00:33.111 --> 00:37.839[SPEAKER_01]: You might know her from the show on sci-fi from a few years ago called The Magicians.00:38.079 --> 00:40.523[SPEAKER_01]: She's got a new film out called Touch Me.00:41.084 --> 00:44.609[SPEAKER_01]: It is a sci-fi horror comedy.00:44.849 --> 00:45.370[SPEAKER_01]: Aliens.00:45.570 --> 00:46.592[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's...00:46.572 --> 00:53.482[SPEAKER_01]: It makes a lot more sense as we discuss her background and why this is just kind of a cool project for her.00:53.843 --> 01:00.413[SPEAKER_01]: Really how a great conversation really enjoyed sitting down with Olivia, talented, cool, really enjoyed the conversation.01:00.914 --> 01:01.615[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, do me a favor.01:01.715 --> 01:03.277[SPEAKER_01]: Always ask so humbly.01:03.317 --> 01:05.380[SPEAKER_01]: If you would, please make sure to follow.01:05.741 --> 01:09.086[SPEAKER_01]: Story and craft on your favorite podcast app.01:09.126 --> 01:11.449[SPEAKER_01]: Make sure to like the show as well.01:11.529 --> 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great conversation.01:49.314 --> 01:55.122[SPEAKER_01]: Really enjoyed sitting down meeting and learning a lot more about Olivia and aliens.01:55.102 --> 01:58.786[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we've talked about aliens since Neil the Grass Tyson was on.01:58.807 --> 02:03.352[SPEAKER_01]: So really enjoy the opportunity to get back and talk about all things extraterrestrial.02:03.512 --> 02:03.913[SPEAKER_01]: Why not?02:04.934 --> 02:06.516[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so let's get after it today.02:07.037 --> 02:11.222[SPEAKER_01]: It is Olivia Taylor Dudley Day right here on Story and Craft.02:13.004 --> 02:14.726[SPEAKER_01]: So where are you joining me from today?02:15.627 --> 02:16.468[SPEAKER_03]: Los Angeles.02:16.567 --> 02:17.608[SPEAKER_01]: Is that home-based for you?02:17.948 --> 02:20.311[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, we live out in Highland Park.02:20.331 --> 02:22.133[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I know somebody else that lived out that way.02:22.533 --> 02:26.437[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm trying to remember him, you know, I'm trying to use my memory that's not going to work for me.02:26.718 --> 02:27.639[SPEAKER_01]: Right, so I'll see.02:28.420 --> 02:32.143[SPEAKER_01]: I am a small island in South Texas called South Padre.02:32.304 --> 02:34.086[SPEAKER_01]: Island on the very tip of the Texas coast.02:34.286 --> 02:41.173[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, after bouncing around being from Dallas and living in New Orleans 20 years and being in Southern California, I was like, you know what?02:41.153 --> 02:45.944[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to do the tropical Mayberry thing, you know, that's kind of like, that's kind of where I'm going right now.02:45.964 --> 02:47.548[SPEAKER_01]: If I work for many where, this is where I want to be.02:48.049 --> 02:50.074[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to be right before lunch here.02:50.214 --> 02:53.081[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to, you've got any plans for lunch today, anything going on?02:53.602 --> 02:54.504[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for lunch.02:55.085 --> 02:59.736[SPEAKER_03]: Now, most likely just heat up some leftovers with my dogs.03:00.003 --> 03:02.288[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, that's dog's plural.03:02.308 --> 03:03.170[SPEAKER_01]: How many do you have?03:03.190 --> 03:04.073[SPEAKER_03]: I have three dogs.03:04.333 --> 03:05.897[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of poochies do you have?03:06.057 --> 03:07.100[SPEAKER_03]: They're all rescues.03:07.601 --> 03:10.989[SPEAKER_03]: One is like a kelp mix and the other two are both hairless dogs.03:11.009 --> 03:14.116[SPEAKER_03]: So one is called a Peruvian Inca orchid.03:14.337 --> 03:16.662[SPEAKER_03]: Is the breed and the other one is a Sholo and it's cleanly.03:16.979 --> 03:18.341[SPEAKER_03]: Um, not very simple names.03:18.882 --> 03:20.686[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like the name of an exotic jewel.03:20.766 --> 03:23.952[SPEAKER_01]: Not a joke, you know, you said they're hairless?03:24.352 --> 03:24.753[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.03:25.134 --> 03:26.737[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the money opposite into the scale.03:26.757 --> 03:30.023[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a golden retriever, which is the very opposite of hairless.03:30.043 --> 03:32.227[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to make vacuum cleaners cry.03:32.447 --> 03:34.471[SPEAKER_03]: You know, yeah, that's when you might say exact opposite.03:34.691 --> 03:35.132[SPEAKER_03]: But don't worry.03:35.152 --> 03:37.356[SPEAKER_03]: My dog that has hair makes up for the other two.03:37.396 --> 03:38.498[SPEAKER_03]: She sheds like crazy.03:38.478 --> 03:40.320[SPEAKER_01]: It's astonishing how much this little guy sheds.03:40.340 --> 03:42.463[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, he's going to be too.03:42.683 --> 03:46.828[SPEAKER_01]: So he's kind of heading out of the crazy Velociraptor teenage phase.03:47.188 --> 03:49.371[SPEAKER_01]: And but when I got him, I was in the litter.03:49.391 --> 03:51.614[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I get to have never had two golden.03:51.654 --> 03:53.115[SPEAKER_01]: So this is my third golden.03:53.236 --> 03:59.963[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, you know, and I forgot about the puppy years and like, man, if I got two golden, so I think it would be just like insanity.04:00.124 --> 04:02.106[SPEAKER_03]: You know, not so high energy.04:02.086 --> 04:05.672[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, by the way, if you do hear some scratching, that's, that is my guy.04:05.753 --> 04:06.474[SPEAKER_01]: I got him upstairs.04:06.835 --> 04:07.897[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to be down here to us.04:07.977 --> 04:08.417[SPEAKER_01]: No worries.04:08.458 --> 04:09.099[SPEAKER_03]: We were barking.04:09.119 --> 04:09.620[SPEAKER_03]: That's mine.04:10.822 --> 04:11.182[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.04:11.202 --> 04:11.844[SPEAKER_01]: That's got's good.04:11.884 --> 04:12.264[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.04:12.304 --> 04:22.002[SPEAKER_01]: So, but so as far as the, you know, you got to your new project coming out here soon, but the one you just did, you're not just acting, but you're producing it also correct.04:22.252 --> 04:24.396[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm a producer on it as well.04:24.436 --> 04:26.179[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do quite a bit of producing.04:26.279 --> 04:28.042[SPEAKER_03]: I love it, but yeah, on this one.04:28.262 --> 04:36.617[SPEAKER_01]: See, that is astonishing that you can do that because for me, the act, I have a great on my resume is exponentially smaller than yours, but that's like, that's a big hat to wear.04:36.637 --> 04:42.828[SPEAKER_01]: You know, is that just, but we're kind of in the era if you want to get something out there, you create it yourself, is it was that kind of your mentality?04:42.928 --> 04:43.669[SPEAKER_01]: Does, you know,04:43.649 --> 05:13.318[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I kind of fell into producing because I mean, I used to make, you know, I was in the early wave of people making web series back in the day like when YouTube started and stuff like that and I had web series for a really long time and that just kind of made me have to wear all the hats and so I kind of learned every department and how to do everything directing writing, editing, producing and then when my acting career started taking off I kind of put those things aside for a while and then when smaller projects that I was acting in,05:13.957 --> 05:16.520[SPEAKER_03]: We're struggling, you know, a lot of indie films are very difficult to make.05:17.121 --> 05:21.567[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of would jump in in different areas and be like, well, I can help or I know how to fix that or I know how to do that.05:21.587 --> 05:23.870[SPEAKER_03]: And so I kind of fell into it on accident.05:23.990 --> 05:28.315[SPEAKER_03]: And then I just started producing indie films for friends and movies that I was in.05:28.996 --> 05:30.658[SPEAKER_03]: And I love it.05:30.779 --> 05:31.540[SPEAKER_03]: I love producing.05:31.620 --> 05:33.522[SPEAKER_03]: I love all aspects of filmmaking.05:33.622 --> 05:34.624[SPEAKER_03]: I love directing.05:34.704 --> 05:35.465[SPEAKER_03]: I love editing.05:35.565 --> 05:36.626[SPEAKER_03]: I love the whole process.05:36.666 --> 05:43.575[SPEAKER_03]: So I find that producing is a really nice way to oversee the whole process, you know,05:43.673 --> 05:46.437[SPEAKER_01]: Are you naturally a logistical thinker?05:46.857 --> 05:47.338[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.05:47.398 --> 05:47.598[SPEAKER_01]: No.05:47.939 --> 05:49.621[SPEAKER_03]: No.05:49.821 --> 05:57.471[SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually so disorganized and I have pretty bad ADHD and I'm not made for it, but I have a good creative.05:57.491 --> 05:58.112[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.05:58.212 --> 05:58.673[SPEAKER_01]: I disagree.05:58.693 --> 06:02.458[SPEAKER_01]: I think the ADHD thing actually probably serves you because you can manage.06:02.438 --> 06:06.963[SPEAKER_01]: multiple things kind of, at a time without it being overwhelming.06:07.103 --> 06:12.328[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the ADHD thing you kind of overwhelm yourself sometimes is like, you know, there's something else I can do.06:12.508 --> 06:15.552[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's, that's a shiny thing I can actually work on over there.06:15.572 --> 06:20.136[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but there's this, somebody told me wants the best way to do it is work on two things within the same projects.06:20.176 --> 06:21.398[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe film making it like that.06:21.418 --> 06:22.439[SPEAKER_01]: You got the producing thing.06:22.459 --> 06:25.302[SPEAKER_01]: Then the editing thing for me is kind of like the second story telling.06:25.582 --> 06:31.568[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's sort of, do you like to sit in the bay with the editor or you like hands on you actually do the editing yourself?06:31.548 --> 06:42.657[SPEAKER_03]: I've done editing in the past on small projects and I love editing, but most of the time, we hire an editor and then I sit with the editor in the editing bay with the director.06:42.718 --> 06:50.464[SPEAKER_03]: The last three films I produced, I was with them every single day, for two months in the edit and I love it.06:50.484 --> 06:52.566[SPEAKER_03]: That is, I think the most exciting part.06:52.586 --> 06:54.407[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, acting is my number one love.06:54.528 --> 07:00.913[SPEAKER_03]: I love it so much, but there's something about being in the edit that is magical and you can reshape the story07:01.282 --> 07:10.851[SPEAKER_03]: performances and find things that weren't there on the day that somehow are magically in the edit and it's such a satisfying thing to have to solve those problems.07:10.952 --> 07:17.658[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's where I really thrive as a creative in filmmaking is in the writing and the editing part with other people.07:18.059 --> 07:19.540[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not good at answering the emails.07:19.600 --> 07:23.043[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not good at like the, like it's like calling sag.07:23.063 --> 07:29.770[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's a, is harder for my brain but figuring out a storytelling problem is something that my brain,07:29.952 --> 07:42.565[SPEAKER_01]: loves to do because that's right, that's where the rubber is hitting the road, you know, because that part of it, you can actually, you know, when you have to do the logistics or the finances, that's just that's not moving the story forward, you know, but it's such a very, very necessary.07:42.645 --> 07:53.575[SPEAKER_01]: But it is, yeah, some people, so you start it off with YouTube, is this like, pre, like, is this way back in the day before even buying and all that was, yeah, funny enough.07:53.636 --> 07:58.120[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, I had a web series called Five Second Films, which we put out a film every day for,07:58.673 --> 08:27.060[SPEAKER_03]: over a decade and then ended up making a feature film and like when every every single day you put out it when do you say it's long so we were the first like short term content that came out before buying before TikTok and actually like those were that was kind of our idea and then a lot of people took it and ran with it and made a lot more money than we did but it was way back before you know YouTube was monetized and08:27.310 --> 08:31.941[SPEAKER_03]: We were one of the first groups that they offered advertising monetization.08:32.122 --> 08:34.527[SPEAKER_03]: And it didn't last long because it was only five seconds.08:34.648 --> 08:37.695[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know why, but advertisers thought that was just not enough time.08:37.795 --> 08:42.687[SPEAKER_03]: But we were just kind of a hard time when it came to short content, but yeah.08:43.072 --> 08:44.994[SPEAKER_01]: was each five-second block.08:45.014 --> 08:49.560[SPEAKER_01]: It was at a continuation of an ongoing story or was it a standalone story all in its own.08:49.580 --> 08:50.521[SPEAKER_03]: They're so stupid.08:50.681 --> 08:52.103[SPEAKER_03]: They're all stand-alone stories.08:52.183 --> 08:53.044[SPEAKER_03]: They're all comedy.08:53.104 --> 08:54.045[SPEAKER_03]: They're really silly.08:54.245 --> 08:55.307[SPEAKER_03]: They're some of them are dark.08:55.547 --> 08:58.270[SPEAKER_03]: We always had great guest stars, patting all as well.08:58.310 --> 08:59.211[SPEAKER_03]: Was always a regular.09:00.052 --> 09:04.017[SPEAKER_03]: We're still making them, because we had such a huge cult following.09:04.037 --> 09:07.982[SPEAKER_03]: And like, Jack Quaid isn't really big fan, so he comes out and shoots every now and then.09:08.165 --> 09:21.704[SPEAKER_03]: Like we still have a good following and we'll get the gang back together again every now and then, but they're so silly and they're really low-fi and just like a set up a joke and knock it down kind of a thing and sometimes it's elaborate and sometimes it's not.09:22.405 --> 09:25.029[SPEAKER_01]: Are they still living in the YouTube ecosystem where they can be found?09:25.049 --> 09:26.170[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're on our website.09:26.290 --> 09:33.801[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, you know, they're on our website five second films and TikTok and I think we have like a million followers on TikTok, I don't know.09:34.304 --> 09:39.432[SPEAKER_03]: it's so weird that that thing just keeps living on all these years later.09:39.472 --> 09:40.032[SPEAKER_03]: It's so funny.09:40.513 --> 09:44.359[SPEAKER_01]: You were on the Vanguard if you started off with like five seconds.09:44.439 --> 09:50.127[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of like, you know, maybe you inspired a whole generation that is inspiring another generation, you know.09:50.528 --> 09:51.910[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we liked to think we did.09:51.970 --> 10:00.042[SPEAKER_03]: We just ended up not getting paid for it, which sucks, but it's fine because it's now having a second life because attention spans have gotten10:00.443 --> 10:29.725[SPEAKER_03]: shorter and shorter and shorter and so like the younger generation has now discovered us and now we're having a second wave of popularity with that but yeah I mean it was a really good like training ground for me as a filmmaker and as an actress I did a lot of comedy when I was first starting out and having to you know make a joke and a whole set up and a joke and a performance and a story work in five seconds is really difficult and it was a really great way10:30.143 --> 10:35.229[SPEAKER_03]: have to be funny and on, and yeah, it was a great time, great time in my life.10:35.249 --> 10:37.591[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how did you get Pat Nosswalt in your ecosystem there?10:37.611 --> 10:41.696[SPEAKER_01]: Because for me, he's one of my favorite, you know, magenex kids.10:41.776 --> 10:48.343[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he's one of our guys, you know, so how did y'all end up connecting with him?10:49.184 --> 10:51.407[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Pat him is so wonderful.10:51.507 --> 10:55.932[SPEAKER_03]: He's such a supporter of young artists, and he was always,10:55.912 --> 10:59.776[SPEAKER_03]: and still does looks for people online to support.11:00.176 --> 11:05.681[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's so many comedians out now that he found and just like lift it up and that's what he did with us.11:05.701 --> 11:22.257[SPEAKER_03]: He found our web series and he was like wait I love these guys let me come out and shoot with you and then that turned him to so many him hooking up all these other talent and comedians and actors coming in and we've just you know he was in our movie we made a feature with that group called Dude Bro Party Massacre 3 which is just a ridiculous movie that11:22.675 --> 11:25.559[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Patton was in and yeah, just talked to him yesterday.11:25.679 --> 11:31.347[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's just such a supporter of young artists, I wish, you know, so we're more like him.11:31.367 --> 11:32.008[SPEAKER_03]: He's great.11:32.268 --> 11:33.891[SPEAKER_01]: Were you like a theater kid coming up?11:34.011 --> 11:47.029[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, was was the comedy thing acting, produced was this part of the, uh, on on the menu for you, or did you just kind of, when YouTube and all that kicked off, did you're like, oh, there, here's something I can just kind of play with and it manifested from there.11:47.144 --> 11:50.087[SPEAKER_03]: No, I was not a theater kid.11:50.447 --> 11:52.969[SPEAKER_03]: I never finished high school.11:53.590 --> 11:54.811[SPEAKER_03]: I dropped out of school really young.11:55.031 --> 12:04.500[SPEAKER_03]: I dropped out of school in seventh grade, actually, because I had really severe social anxiety and anxiety, and I couldn't handle being in school.12:04.680 --> 12:07.422[SPEAKER_03]: And the way it was learning, and it was just not working for me.12:08.003 --> 12:10.345[SPEAKER_03]: And I was just a weird little ranch kid, horse girl.12:10.665 --> 12:14.569[SPEAKER_03]: And so I was home schooled and just home with the animals all day.12:14.937 --> 12:16.940[SPEAKER_03]: So I watched a lot of TV growing up.12:17.060 --> 12:18.582[SPEAKER_03]: I was raised by the TV.12:19.202 --> 12:28.955[SPEAKER_03]: And I just became obsessed with movies, and the e-channel, and any documentary about a filmmaker or an actor, I was obsessed with when I was younger.12:29.135 --> 12:34.262[SPEAKER_03]: And I told my parents, I was like, I want to be an actor, even though I've never done theater, I've never done any acting of any kind.12:34.963 --> 12:37.486[SPEAKER_03]: And my mom and I try to get me an agent when I was 15.12:38.267 --> 12:40.490[SPEAKER_03]: And I did, but I didn't move to LA then.12:40.510 --> 12:42.312[SPEAKER_03]: I ended up12:42.629 --> 12:49.899[SPEAKER_03]: dropping out of high school like home school high school at 16 and then I moved to LA by myself when I was 17 to pursue it.12:49.919 --> 12:52.722[SPEAKER_03]: So I'd been wanting to pursue it since I was younger.12:52.762 --> 12:56.647[SPEAKER_03]: I would say probably not even know what age but forever.12:56.908 --> 12:58.870[SPEAKER_03]: I've only this is the only thing I've ever wanted to do.12:59.011 --> 13:07.742[SPEAKER_01]: So when you were growing up what was what was that you were watching that I don't want to say inspired you but the things that that kind of that grabbed your attention that kept you occupied.13:08.684 --> 13:17.975[SPEAKER_03]: You know, whenever I could ask that question, the first movie that made me realize even what acting was was the exorcist, which I watched at a far too young age.13:17.995 --> 13:30.891[SPEAKER_03]: I was five years old when I watched it, and I snuck into my dad, was watching it with a friend upstairs, and I snuck in, and I saw what was on the TV and I froze, and I just watched it for like two hours, and I knew I'd do what the heck it was.13:31.572 --> 13:34.455[SPEAKER_03]: But I just remember seeing Linda Blair on the screen, just being13:35.077 --> 13:43.412[SPEAKER_03]: so incredible and terrifying, and when I realized that it wasn't real, but that looked like so much fun for that little girl, like because she was so young in that movie.13:43.693 --> 13:44.655[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, why am I going to do that?13:45.055 --> 13:49.744[SPEAKER_03]: And I had such a vivid imagination growing up that it just, I don't know, just kind of grew from there.13:49.977 --> 13:50.778[SPEAKER_01]: It's seventh grade.13:50.798 --> 13:54.464[SPEAKER_01]: I actually there was a fellow I know who is an acting coach wrote a book.13:54.484 --> 13:59.191[SPEAKER_01]: I think you said if you can make it through seventh grade, you can act or something like seventh grade sucks.13:59.211 --> 14:01.735[SPEAKER_01]: You know, whenever I mean somebody's like, oh, man, junior high was great.14:01.755 --> 14:02.677[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you're an alien.14:02.697 --> 14:03.098[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.14:03.118 --> 14:03.819[SPEAKER_01]: It's seventh grade.14:03.839 --> 14:04.339[SPEAKER_01]: It's so hot.14:04.359 --> 14:06.483[SPEAKER_03]: I guess you know, some people not me.14:06.563 --> 14:15.597[SPEAKER_03]: I've learned how to be a socialized person, older, I get and like I, you know what it also, the older I get, I realize like the place I'm most comfortable because I have so much14:17.652 --> 14:20.395[SPEAKER_03]: social anxiety that I've done so much work on at this point.14:20.596 --> 14:22.238[SPEAKER_03]: But when I'm on a set, I have none.14:22.338 --> 14:24.240[SPEAKER_03]: I have no anxiety when I'm on a set.14:24.260 --> 14:28.505[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember the first time I stepped on a set, I felt totally in my skin.14:28.906 --> 14:31.028[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's because there's structure on a set.14:31.048 --> 14:33.972[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a clear mission and structure and everybody knows.14:34.152 --> 14:36.154[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's got their own specific job.14:36.214 --> 14:36.815[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.14:36.855 --> 14:39.819[SPEAKER_03]: Like I know I know what everyone's going to do.14:39.899 --> 14:43.503[SPEAKER_03]: So there's no surprises and everyone wants to be there for the most part.14:43.964 --> 14:45.786[SPEAKER_03]: And it's it's fun14:46.154 --> 14:46.474[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.14:46.494 --> 14:49.599[SPEAKER_03]: There's just something about knowing like how the day is going to go time-wise.14:49.699 --> 14:51.201[SPEAKER_03]: I know I'm going to be here for this long.14:51.461 --> 14:52.483[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to do this for this long.14:52.803 --> 14:56.048[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's something about that that eases my anxiety a lot.14:56.248 --> 15:01.255[SPEAKER_03]: And I also just love like the community on a set that you start to feel safe because it becomes a family.15:01.335 --> 15:08.404[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, it's like a traveling circus, but that also, I just, I feel like that really helped ease my anxiety.15:08.985 --> 15:10.647[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like my happy place.15:10.748 --> 15:13.451[SPEAKER_03]: But my happy place, yeah, definitely not in school.15:13.632 --> 15:14.693[SPEAKER_03]: I was not happy.15:15.770 --> 15:17.092[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still there with you.15:17.112 --> 15:19.234[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was time I remember being in seventh grade.15:19.695 --> 15:21.497[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a God pleases weird trick on you.15:21.517 --> 15:25.202[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, social, weirdness, plus there was a puberty for good measure.15:25.242 --> 15:27.264[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like everything's just happening.15:27.324 --> 15:29.206[SPEAKER_01]: They're getting PTSD, just thinking about it.15:29.227 --> 15:29.887[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.15:30.508 --> 15:40.100[SPEAKER_01]: Was the horror thing, was it a fair assumption that seeing that the exercise was that kind of your horror, you know, you know, it's fake.15:40.240 --> 15:44.325[SPEAKER_01]: So is that the reason why you like to play with that a little bit throughout your career?15:44.744 --> 15:45.545[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, probably.15:45.585 --> 15:51.255[SPEAKER_03]: I've loved her since I was little, like not just the exercise, but my mom is really into horror and sci-fi.15:51.676 --> 15:59.850[SPEAKER_03]: So growing up, we watched every horror and sci-fi movie known to man, and, you know, unsolved mysteries was always on, and the Twilight Zone was so funny.15:59.830 --> 16:07.278[SPEAKER_01]: Robert Stack, I saw this funny me in the other day, he said, he's always in a back alley behind an apple bees and it's got to be dark.16:07.358 --> 16:09.721[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, they always shot his set up.16:10.442 --> 16:11.963[SPEAKER_01]: It was always just like spooky.16:12.023 --> 16:15.227[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's sort of like a Vincent Priceish.16:15.847 --> 16:16.328[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.16:16.789 --> 16:17.269[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know.16:17.369 --> 16:25.278[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was a good, I was just raised with, I was raised with it in a way so it wasn't scary to me.16:25.338 --> 16:27.340[SPEAKER_03]: It was more just like an escape.16:27.758 --> 16:30.917[SPEAKER_03]: and exciting and fun like my mom and I still watch the shining.16:31.471 --> 16:32.953[SPEAKER_03]: at least twice a year together.16:32.993 --> 16:35.716[SPEAKER_03]: Like we, I don't know, it's just comforting to me.16:35.736 --> 16:38.399[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, that I'll try to get you out of it.16:38.419 --> 16:40.080[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's gone through.16:40.141 --> 16:45.286[SPEAKER_01]: That's one movie that I still couldn't, I mean, as a kid, and even I'm just like, it's good.16:45.346 --> 16:46.448[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong, it's very good.16:46.468 --> 16:50.592[SPEAKER_01]: I get why it's good, but it's just any time I'm out, anywhere.16:50.993 --> 16:52.134[SPEAKER_01]: And it happens occasionally.16:52.154 --> 16:54.256[SPEAKER_01]: I'll see two, two, I'll see a twins.16:54.877 --> 16:57.039[SPEAKER_01]: I just, that movie I was pops into my mind.16:57.059 --> 16:58.681[SPEAKER_01]: So apparently, it affected me on some level.16:58.741 --> 16:59.622[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, you know.16:59.602 --> 17:10.602[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the shining y'all just kind of bonded on horror movies or does she kind of, you know, yeah, I guess so she I mean my childhood is a little bit weird on our I grew up on a ranch my family.17:10.622 --> 17:20.901[SPEAKER_03]: We have a horse ranch on the central coast of California and my grandma lived there and we lived there and my sisters and my grandma was really into like.17:21.134 --> 17:29.522[SPEAKER_03]: aliens I grew up being obsessed with aliens and magic and it was just kind of like a nerdy magic type household.17:29.582 --> 17:34.187[SPEAKER_01]: So I think my mom was in a escape for you maybe kind of a lot of words.17:34.847 --> 17:35.548[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.17:35.568 --> 17:38.631[SPEAKER_03]: I loved the idea of not being in the real world.17:38.771 --> 17:49.622[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, I think a lot of people wound up being actors have a vivid imagination since they were little and and I don't17:50.699 --> 17:52.201[SPEAKER_03]: my imagination in storytelling.17:52.221 --> 17:54.123[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the alien thing is pretty cool, though.17:54.163 --> 17:55.165[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I liked that.17:55.325 --> 17:57.207[SPEAKER_01]: I have a heart, you know, I don't know.17:57.247 --> 17:58.169[SPEAKER_01]: That's for me.17:58.229 --> 18:00.451[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I used to have, I always say, kid.18:00.632 --> 18:03.375[SPEAKER_01]: This is back when the internet was really kind of getting going.18:03.475 --> 18:07.741[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would say, late 90s, maybe early 2000s, and they had a screen saver.18:07.781 --> 18:14.209[SPEAKER_01]: Adam, everybody had goofy screen savers, but I rummaged up one that was a setting.18:14.189 --> 18:16.532[SPEAKER_01]: screen saver and at our S.E.T.I.S.18:16.552 --> 18:36.501[SPEAKER_01]: study and it would just it would just run to the background and just it basically just digested information process the all this data that the satellites are pulling in and like that wasn't really into it but just cool watching my computer work thinking maybe my computer will be the one that finds that one signal kind of like the contact in the movie.18:36.481 --> 18:38.904[SPEAKER_03]: That is literally my life's obsession.18:39.204 --> 18:40.806[SPEAKER_03]: I actually named my dog, Settie.18:40.986 --> 18:43.569[SPEAKER_03]: My big hairless dog named after the Settie Institute.18:44.090 --> 18:44.470[SPEAKER_02]: Right.18:44.490 --> 18:45.131[SPEAKER_03]: I know it well.18:46.032 --> 18:49.817[SPEAKER_03]: When I was younger, yeah, all my dogs are named after aliens.18:49.837 --> 18:52.700[SPEAKER_03]: It's Settie, Alf, and Lee Lu Dallas, multi-pass.18:52.720 --> 18:54.662[SPEAKER_03]: So I love sci-fi.18:55.183 --> 18:56.625[SPEAKER_03]: But I wanted to do that when I was younger.18:56.645 --> 18:58.246[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to go work for the Settie Institute.18:58.307 --> 19:00.089[SPEAKER_03]: Contact was like a really big one for me.19:00.169 --> 19:02.151[SPEAKER_03]: So that's funny.19:02.502 --> 19:02.722[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.19:02.742 --> 19:08.254[SPEAKER_01]: But now they do this thing where it's not like really big satellites have whole fields of smaller satellites or something.19:08.815 --> 19:08.915[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.19:08.935 --> 19:10.719[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think they're doing that program anymore.19:10.739 --> 19:13.805[SPEAKER_01]: Who's so new to the screen's paper, you know, they're not doing that everything.19:13.825 --> 19:14.867[SPEAKER_03]: We're not doing a lot of it.19:14.908 --> 19:16.310[SPEAKER_03]: Like the funding kind of fell through.19:16.351 --> 19:17.713[SPEAKER_03]: It's still still going.19:17.814 --> 19:22.062[SPEAKER_03]: But I guess it's very expensive to, you know, take up space in the satellites up there.19:22.603 --> 19:22.924[SPEAKER_03]: So.19:29.975 --> 19:37.563[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about this new thing you're talking about that Trump is, I honestly think it's a distraction from the Epstein files, but you know, whatever.19:38.464 --> 19:41.348[SPEAKER_01]: But they're talking about wanting to release whatever information they got.19:41.408 --> 19:43.490[SPEAKER_01]: That's something that's like happening right now.19:43.570 --> 19:45.332[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, you've been keeping up with that, or?19:45.652 --> 19:48.836[SPEAKER_03]: A little bit, but some of it seems like, you know, not nothing.19:49.076 --> 19:50.878[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like nothing's gonna come of that.19:51.159 --> 19:52.921[SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe that anything's gonna be released.19:53.141 --> 19:58.767[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes, you know, every 10, 15 years, somebody says that's gonna happen, but we'll say, I don't know.19:59.388 --> 20:04.617[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly, you know, my whole view of it is, I don't, I think people inherently like, yeah, you know, versus big.20:04.637 --> 20:05.599[SPEAKER_01]: There's probably something out there.20:05.619 --> 20:09.306[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's so much going on to be like, okay, this is one other thing we know now.20:09.506 --> 20:15.437[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I don't think anyone would be surprised if aliens were walking among us.20:15.477 --> 20:17.380[SPEAKER_03]: We'd be like, as a least of our problems right now.20:17.900 --> 20:20.645[SPEAKER_01]: It would be kind of a relief it would be a nice little distraction.20:20.765 --> 20:33.850[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I got to ask what was your favorite as a kid, what was your favorite me two or three, alien based shows on TV, oh gosh, shows.20:34.083 --> 20:40.198[SPEAKER_03]: or movies or movies, yeah, I'm going to have some files, like, I mean, alien, I love to come back to.20:40.218 --> 20:40.779[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a show.20:40.799 --> 20:43.686[SPEAKER_01]: Do you enough here remember V, do you remember V?20:44.368 --> 20:47.436[SPEAKER_01]: It was called, there's just called V. It was, yeah, but I never watched.20:47.456 --> 20:48.879[SPEAKER_01]: They did a remake on ABC.20:48.899 --> 20:49.741[SPEAKER_01]: I think that.20:50.062 --> 20:50.944[SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't see that one.20:50.924 --> 20:54.028[SPEAKER_01]: I could talk all day about that, because I find it quite fascinating.20:54.088 --> 20:57.511[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just, you know, Carl Sagan, I love reading his stuff.20:57.532 --> 20:59.354[SPEAKER_01]: That's the Carl Sagan growing up.20:59.374 --> 21:00.215[SPEAKER_01]: It's really interesting.21:00.235 --> 21:03.899[SPEAKER_01]: You look at some of the stuff that he wrote, or speeches he gave that have been transcribed.21:03.939 --> 21:05.641[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're probably in the 90s.21:06.602 --> 21:10.286[SPEAKER_01]: It's he was almost like a fortune teller of where we are right now.21:10.947 --> 21:12.669[SPEAKER_01]: He's he he he he knew it.21:12.709 --> 21:13.810[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so.21:13.790 --> 21:20.798[SPEAKER_01]: Have you done any projects at all that center on that either, you know, something you've done produced or something you've been in?21:20.818 --> 21:22.860[SPEAKER_01]: Have you done anything alienish?21:22.880 --> 21:27.285[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the movie I've coming out now, it touched me is an alienish movie.21:27.626 --> 21:27.986[SPEAKER_03]: So...21:29.868 --> 21:31.129[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like a Paulish.21:31.149 --> 21:31.490[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.21:31.510 --> 21:32.311[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it is.21:32.331 --> 21:40.540[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a psycho-sexual horror film, alien sci-fi movie and about a co-to-co-to-bent that co-to-co-to-pended best friends who...21:41.212 --> 21:48.164[SPEAKER_03]: Um, one of them falls in love with an alien who's on earth and then they both end up falling in love with them and having a relationship.21:48.224 --> 21:56.699[SPEAKER_03]: And it's it's really weird and funny and bizarre and definitely an alien movie, but I feel like I've done other ones, alien movies.21:58.502 --> 21:59.463[SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm blinking on them.22:00.024 --> 22:00.886[SPEAKER_03]: I love sci-fi.22:00.926 --> 22:04.452[SPEAKER_03]: Like I feel like growing up all I wanted to do was22:05.022 --> 22:10.723[SPEAKER_03]: be an alien hunter or go to space that's bad motion sickness that and I'm didn't go to high school.22:11.084 --> 22:14.155[SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like I'll never work for NASA, but22:14.590 --> 22:20.016[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think it sounds like to me, you sort of found your own new, the subjects you wanted to study.22:20.377 --> 22:31.410[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, Ben, you know, and I think a lot of people I know, I've spoken with, I think the names are going to say, there's a couple of the people I've spoken with, just the last couple months who left school early.22:31.450 --> 22:34.273[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was just they knew what they wanted.22:34.293 --> 22:42.623[SPEAKER_01]: And they just, it's nothing I recommend for kids, the exception that there are some people to see with clarity where they are, where they want to be.22:42.603 --> 22:45.869[SPEAKER_01]: you know, they want to educate themselves, you know, so everybody has a different path.22:45.909 --> 22:50.978[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, I've literally to last two months of spoken with a couple people who are very successful.22:51.760 --> 22:56.629[SPEAKER_03]: But a lot of actors have, you know, have odd schooling backgrounds.22:56.689 --> 23:01.838[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm so lucky that my parents were so supportive of it, but I think it's because I was so driven at such a young age.23:02.440 --> 23:06.467[SPEAKER_03]: I think they realized they couldn't really get in my way, and they knew they could trust that.23:06.920 --> 23:29.468[SPEAKER_03]: that's what I was going to actually pursue and I have an older sister and younger sister and yeah but it's wild to think back now like I moved to LA by myself when I was 17 and I lived with some cousins for a little while a few months but then I was just out on my own just trying to break into this business and you know that was before23:30.241 --> 23:43.423[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I was before we had like GPS systems in our cars and like printing a map quest and I was trying to find my way around and get jobs and I just like a really hustled and I think about now what actors what they have the access to.23:43.960 --> 23:46.963[SPEAKER_03]: Um, to start their career and I'm like, whoa, I'm so jealous.23:46.983 --> 23:54.251[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when you look back, were you blissfully oblivious to what kind of a bite you were taking out of life by going to LA?23:54.331 --> 24:04.402[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, looking back, LA can be an intimidating, incredibly intimidating place for adults, you know, but as a kid where you just had that perfect mix of naivety where you're like, I think so.24:04.842 --> 24:09.327[SPEAKER_03]: I had family down here, like a couple of cousins, like I said, and I had been coming to LA.24:09.813 --> 24:16.160[SPEAKER_03]: for a couple years because I was also a dancer growing up and I would come to LA with my friend and take class every couple weeks.24:16.180 --> 24:20.705[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like dipping my toe into what it was like to come down to LA without my parents.24:20.785 --> 24:30.576[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, I wasn't like a well-behaved kid growing up either like getting, I did try going to high school for a month and I got kicked out like the public school.24:30.916 --> 24:35.061[SPEAKER_03]: So like I was kind of like a tough kid and I felt like I could,24:35.480 --> 24:37.763[SPEAKER_03]: survived by myself anywhere was my attitude.24:37.843 --> 24:39.184[SPEAKER_03]: I was very confident.24:39.424 --> 24:40.005[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I did.24:40.025 --> 24:41.607[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how I did, but I did.24:41.647 --> 24:43.149[SPEAKER_01]: So what did your folks do?24:43.229 --> 24:50.897[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know, I know, I had the horse ranch, but was that, was that your father's vocation or y'all was at ancillary to what his main gig was?24:51.158 --> 24:57.165[SPEAKER_03]: Um, no, my dad is, um, well now he has a house painting business, but growing up he's a geologist.24:57.825 --> 24:59.327[SPEAKER_03]: And my mom, um,25:00.050 --> 25:04.800[SPEAKER_03]: She was a model growing up and then has pivoted to a bunch of different things.25:04.820 --> 25:06.002[SPEAKER_03]: She's an entrepreneur.25:06.864 --> 25:07.846[SPEAKER_03]: She's done a lot of things.25:08.067 --> 25:10.552[SPEAKER_03]: And the horse ranch was actually, it was my grandma's ranch.25:10.792 --> 25:12.917[SPEAKER_03]: And I grew up with horses and so did my mom.25:12.937 --> 25:14.420[SPEAKER_03]: So I rode my whole childhood.25:14.600 --> 25:16.003[SPEAKER_03]: And I still write, I have a horse in LA.25:16.444 --> 25:18.328[SPEAKER_03]: So the horses were more me and my mom.25:18.393 --> 25:19.435[SPEAKER_01]: He's living here on the island.25:19.455 --> 25:20.937[SPEAKER_01]: They actually have a horse name.25:20.957 --> 25:22.179[SPEAKER_01]: The whole stretch of the island.25:22.219 --> 25:27.286[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're all the restaurants, the condo, all the living, it's only like a five mile stretch beyond that.25:27.326 --> 25:28.127[SPEAKER_01]: It's just dunes.25:28.828 --> 25:33.576[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a place up there where they do have a little, you know, grab a horse and go for a ride on the beach.25:33.636 --> 25:37.962[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like, that's part, the Texan M. is like, oh, that sounds like really cool.25:38.002 --> 25:41.487[SPEAKER_01]: So it's either getting a four-wheel drive vehicle drive on the beach or get a horse.25:41.888 --> 25:42.068[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.25:43.190 --> 25:44.452[SPEAKER_01]: Now is your grandmother still with us?25:44.792 --> 25:46.695[SPEAKER_03]: No, she passed away.25:47.063 --> 26:15.197[SPEAKER_03]: a while ago yeah yeah it's a bummer she was such a supporter of my career and she was just such a weird duck I mean like her and I were just like soulmates but yeah what do you think the genesis of her interest in space stuff and alien all that you know where did that come from do you think oh man I don't know if you had asked her I think she thought she I mean she would have stories of being abducted by aliens she was convinced you know she had a few few26:15.397 --> 26:24.785[SPEAKER_03]: near-death experiences that I think opened up her mind to other dimensions and she was a wild woman.26:24.906 --> 26:25.446[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.26:25.566 --> 26:27.928[SPEAKER_03]: She always was that way since I was little.26:28.068 --> 26:35.375[SPEAKER_03]: We would sit out on, we had this rock out in one of the fields on the ranch that we carved into a seat for her and I to sit in.26:35.395 --> 26:40.079[SPEAKER_03]: And we would sit there with telescope and just sit there like almost every night and look for aliens.26:40.119 --> 26:43.362[SPEAKER_03]: But the ranch itself, I mean, this is like a whole nether podcast in itself.26:43.510 --> 26:47.636[SPEAKER_03]: is a bit of a vortex and kind of attracts on the energy like that.26:47.736 --> 26:49.979[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know where she got it from.26:50.039 --> 26:52.022[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody else in her family was like that.26:52.082 --> 27:00.034[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they say there are places on Earth that are, and I don't know the phrase, but certain energy, ish zones, or what?27:00.294 --> 27:03.359[SPEAKER_01]: I think they said that they correspond to where some of the pyramids are.27:03.439 --> 27:04.701[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they don't go down the road.27:04.841 --> 27:10.429[SPEAKER_03]: If you asked her, she would love, that would be her jam right there to talk about that.27:10.409 --> 27:20.781[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I always find it's interesting to look at the science of things, the same time lost softly like a big fan of Alan Watts, you know, just, you know, just kind of contemplate and it's funny the other day.27:21.502 --> 27:29.271[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what happened, but there was a on the island we had a, the power in this whole part of the island is that for about 15 minutes or so.27:29.331 --> 27:33.275[SPEAKER_01]: And I peaked out, I mean, his pitch black, I peaked outside, I was like, oh my God, I can see all the stars.27:33.476 --> 27:36.840[SPEAKER_01]: This is because that never really happens because, you know, the light pollution.27:36.880 --> 27:37.260[SPEAKER_01]: So,27:37.240 --> 27:48.016[SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely being out on a ranch where you can see that it if nothing else probably opens up with a contemplative part of you, you know, not touch me.27:48.677 --> 27:52.302[SPEAKER_01]: Was that something you produced it, but did you re-involved in writing it as well?27:52.422 --> 27:57.970[SPEAKER_03]: No, I actually didn't come on as a producer until we were already working on the project.27:59.593 --> 28:03.498[SPEAKER_03]: It's the project came to me very late in the game.28:03.518 --> 28:06.623[SPEAKER_03]: A producer I had done a couple movies with called me up.28:06.974 --> 28:09.733[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like, hey, I have an actor that fell out of this project.28:09.814 --> 28:10.962[SPEAKER_03]: And I think you'd really dig it.28:11.526 --> 28:11.989[SPEAKER_03]: It's about28:12.188 --> 28:19.097[SPEAKER_03]: aliens and tenacle sex and it's wild and weird and I think you might be the only check that would be into this And it's like okay send it over so I read it.28:19.497 --> 28:23.021[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, there's a whole Japanese like thing Yeah, that's right.28:23.222 --> 28:36.318[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, the whole movie is very Japanese coded and that's inspired by all Japanese films really okay really cool, but I read this script and Literally two hours after I read this script.28:36.618 --> 28:41.284[SPEAKER_03]: I went and met with the director because I was flying out the next day to go film a movie in Arkansas28:41.450 --> 28:43.933[SPEAKER_03]: just that day to figure out if I wanted to do this movie.28:44.373 --> 28:49.019[SPEAKER_03]: And I met with him and I just adored him.28:49.199 --> 28:51.562[SPEAKER_03]: But the movie also deals with a lot of mental illness.28:52.183 --> 28:55.827[SPEAKER_03]: And the character has obsessive compulsive disorder.28:55.867 --> 28:59.231[SPEAKER_03]: And I also have obsessive compulsive disorder and so does the director.28:59.311 --> 29:03.016[SPEAKER_03]: So we kind of talked about that for like two hours at this bar.29:03.136 --> 29:04.337[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't even talk about the movie.29:04.357 --> 29:06.700[SPEAKER_03]: And then by the end, he was like, oh wait, do you want to do the movie?29:06.720 --> 29:08.002[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, yes, please.29:08.542 --> 29:09.904[SPEAKER_03]: It's such an odd blend of,29:10.171 --> 29:11.714[SPEAKER_03]: genre and tone.29:12.355 --> 29:14.900[SPEAKER_03]: And I just fell in love with how weird it was.29:14.920 --> 29:17.646[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, this is either not going to work at all or it's going to really work.29:17.906 --> 29:20.772[SPEAKER_03]: And so I, you know, I took a bet that it was going to really work.29:20.812 --> 29:22.796[SPEAKER_03]: And so then I went off and shot this other movie.29:23.758 --> 29:26.924[SPEAKER_03]: And then came back in only four or five days between the two.29:26.964 --> 29:29.409[SPEAKER_03]: And then started shooting, touched me.29:29.549 --> 29:30.070[SPEAKER_03]: And then29:30.607 --> 29:37.965[SPEAKER_03]: Partway through, towards the end of filming, they asked me to come on to help finish the movie and be in the end of with him and stuff.29:37.985 --> 29:42.296[SPEAKER_03]: So this one I'm more of an executive producer because I didn't get the movie going, but I helped finish it.29:43.499 --> 29:44.181[SPEAKER_01]: Where did y'all shoot it?29:44.622 --> 29:47.890[SPEAKER_03]: In LA, which never happens, it was so nice.29:48.359 --> 29:49.160[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.29:49.260 --> 29:49.581[SPEAKER_01]: That is.29:49.761 --> 29:50.302[SPEAKER_01]: That is.29:50.763 --> 29:50.943[SPEAKER_01]: No.29:50.983 --> 29:51.424[SPEAKER_01]: Dogs.29:51.945 --> 29:53.627[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any little ones rolling around beside?29:53.668 --> 29:55.130[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any non furry friends?29:55.350 --> 29:55.490[SPEAKER_03]: No.29:55.651 --> 29:57.013[SPEAKER_01]: I have a furry people.29:57.494 --> 29:57.594[SPEAKER_03]: No.29:57.634 --> 30:02.482[SPEAKER_03]: I just have a naked dogs and I have a horse, but no.30:02.522 --> 30:03.303[SPEAKER_03]: No kids.30:03.383 --> 30:04.545[SPEAKER_03]: I love animals.30:04.947 --> 30:07.892[SPEAKER_01]: I can, it sounds like title of a book, Naked Dogs in a Horde.30:07.912 --> 30:08.253[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.30:08.694 --> 30:16.268[SPEAKER_01]: But I see somewhere that you narrow, I don't know if it was Project You Worked On, or you wrote, but do you do like a audiobook narration that I see that?30:16.668 --> 30:19.073[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, um, I, yes.30:19.333 --> 30:20.255[SPEAKER_03]: I do voice over work.30:20.395 --> 30:21.517[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't done that in a while.30:21.537 --> 30:25.765[SPEAKER_03]: But I got hired to do this book series.30:26.466 --> 30:29.031[SPEAKER_03]: It was in sci-fi book series that30:29.011 --> 30:50.514[SPEAKER_03]: They wanted to have an actor, like not just a voice actor, but somebody who had a presence and at the time I had a show called the Magicians that was on we did five seasons up and that was a fantasy genre show and so they asked me to come do that and I can't even tell you how that was the hardest job I've ever done because I'm dyslexic and I told them that I was like, I can't, this is going to take forever for me to read.30:51.175 --> 30:55.980[SPEAKER_03]: But you, you, you literally rewards30:56.365 --> 31:11.237[SPEAKER_03]: acting and memorizing lines is so intense just so I can get the freaking words out in front of the camera, but having to sit in a booth and read out loud was so hard and it was I read multiple books for them, I mean, yeah, I ended up winning an award for my performance in that.31:11.257 --> 31:11.578[SPEAKER_01]: Really?31:11.618 --> 31:11.959[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.31:12.379 --> 31:14.023[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I do a lot of voice over this.31:14.203 --> 31:15.927[SPEAKER_01]: One genre.31:16.126 --> 31:23.814[SPEAKER_01]: that I appreciate it and it's kind of like for me being in a booth recording for long stretches is, that's just not my, I do shorter.31:23.874 --> 31:26.236[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love voiceover work.31:26.316 --> 31:27.157[SPEAKER_03]: It's so fun.31:27.177 --> 31:28.158[SPEAKER_03]: I love doing it.31:28.338 --> 31:36.106[SPEAKER_03]: It's just reading a book is, was my nightmare because I was just so concerned that I sounded dumb and stupid and couldn't read.31:36.166 --> 31:40.951[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's just an insecurity I have because I mix up my words, but it ended up being really fulfilling.31:40.991 --> 31:45.255[SPEAKER_03]: But eventually I was like, my, I was like, I gotta, I can't do this anymore.31:45.742 --> 31:47.184[SPEAKER_01]: acting you're memorizing this script.31:47.204 --> 31:50.348[SPEAKER_01]: So it's coming from the inside that, you know, you're not reading it as you're before.31:50.368 --> 31:53.332[SPEAKER_01]: So does that kind of how you approached it when you did the audio book?31:53.372 --> 31:54.474[SPEAKER_01]: Did you like memorize?31:55.015 --> 31:55.495[SPEAKER_01]: Trunks of it?31:55.515 --> 31:56.977[SPEAKER_01]: Or did you still just, you know, read it?31:57.118 --> 31:58.760[SPEAKER_03]: It was impossible to memorize chunks of it.31:58.800 --> 32:00.963[SPEAKER_03]: I read, you know, so many books for them.32:01.203 --> 32:02.024[SPEAKER_03]: There was no way to.32:02.245 --> 32:09.775[SPEAKER_03]: No, I had to just go in cold and I knew the director was frustrated, but also she was32:10.058 --> 32:13.025[SPEAKER_03]: Give me extra time, and I was like, I'm so sorry.32:13.065 --> 32:25.012[SPEAKER_03]: Did you do it from home or did you have like a little of a different, yeah, recording studios here in NLA in Burbank and then when I was shooting magicians, I was we shot that in Vancouver, so on my days off from that show.32:25.032 --> 32:28.320[SPEAKER_03]: I would go record in a studio up there, but yeah.32:28.385 --> 32:33.790[SPEAKER_01]: to so much stuff out in the world that I haven't seen or even things right now that I do want to say, I just don't have the time.32:34.230 --> 32:36.592[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have the opportunity to catch magicians.32:36.752 --> 32:38.994[SPEAKER_01]: What was the kind of the general thrust of that?32:39.014 --> 32:43.378[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure somebody's listening is like, how do you not know what magicians are?32:43.458 --> 32:44.779[SPEAKER_01]: I still haven't seen Game of Thrones.32:45.000 --> 32:47.962[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm one of those guys, but it's still out there eventually.32:48.042 --> 32:48.483[SPEAKER_01]: I will.32:48.603 --> 32:49.944[SPEAKER_01]: I just haven't seen it yet.32:49.964 --> 32:51.445[SPEAKER_01]: So what was kind of the just of magicians?32:51.465 --> 32:52.626[SPEAKER_03]: So much content out there.32:52.646 --> 32:54.688[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the magicians is so proud of it.32:54.708 --> 32:56.890[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of my favorite things I've ever done.32:56.870 --> 33:02.838[SPEAKER_03]: It was based on a book series called the Magicians by Love Grossman, which was a really popular fantasy book series.33:04.059 --> 33:08.966[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I guess we always just say it's Harry Potter for adults.33:09.446 --> 33:13.892[SPEAKER_03]: It's like Harry Potter asked, but more elevated in edgy and contemporary.33:14.252 --> 33:15.734[SPEAKER_03]: And it was so fun.33:15.774 --> 33:16.936[SPEAKER_03]: We did five seasons of it.33:17.677 --> 33:20.020[SPEAKER_03]: I played lead character Alice in Alice Quinn.33:20.220 --> 33:20.661[SPEAKER_03]: I loved her.33:20.721 --> 33:22.523[SPEAKER_03]: She was like the best character.33:22.925 --> 33:23.647[SPEAKER_03]: I've ever played.33:23.928 --> 33:24.730[SPEAKER_03]: And I miss it.33:24.831 --> 33:32.654[SPEAKER_03]: It had such it was really fun to be on a fantasy genre show for so long because you get amazing fans, the audience for those shows.33:32.755 --> 33:33.878[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're rabid for it.33:33.958 --> 33:36.546[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, it would go to cons and comma cons and stuff.33:36.847 --> 33:38.510[SPEAKER_03]: you just get so much fan love.33:38.811 --> 33:54.201[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, that was kind of so rewarding when you do something that you're passionate about and that is, you know, and in other people, you could be years later, are still down with, you know, I have friends that do, the do voiceover stuff for like anime, whatever.33:54.221 --> 33:56.465[SPEAKER_01]: And there's this whole ecosystem, you know?33:57.046 --> 33:59.631[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's another thing, like I think, even Pat and Oswald's.33:59.611 --> 34:13.857[SPEAKER_03]: into that kind of con thing or yeah I hate going to cons because of the people it's a really heart to do for me like it's so many people I get really overwhelmed but as long as I take my medication I'm fine figure it out34:13.904 --> 34:18.810[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could imagine because, you know, you know, you know, it's you want them to have a great experience with the same time.34:18.850 --> 34:20.792[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, I can imagine that being overwhelming.34:20.813 --> 34:21.834[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody wants a piece of you.34:22.995 --> 34:29.543[SPEAKER_01]: What haven't you worked on as there's something that's floating out there like this genre, this kind of thing, this kind of project.34:30.164 --> 34:34.770[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of itch and etch it, you know, you want to do that, but you have not an opportunity yet.34:35.030 --> 34:37.273[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe something you've done you would like to return to.34:37.553 --> 34:39.015[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's so many things I want to do.34:39.075 --> 34:40.697[SPEAKER_03]: I want to be working every single day.34:40.797 --> 34:41.498[SPEAKER_03]: So it's.34:42.338 --> 34:56.398[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mean, I really love, I love doing drama and I, I like what I love doing is finding indie filmmakers like first time filmmakers and like people who have some unique vision and just digging in and not knowing what it's going to turn out to be.34:56.479 --> 35:00.124[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's not necessarily the most lucrative path in this business.35:00.164 --> 35:06.473[SPEAKER_03]: They don't pay well, but I, I just love finding really passionate filmmakers and I'm not really35:07.077 --> 35:10.385[SPEAKER_03]: Mary to the idea of any sort of genre or anything like that.35:10.425 --> 35:11.387[SPEAKER_03]: Like I love all of them.35:11.447 --> 35:12.409[SPEAKER_03]: I love doing comedy.35:12.449 --> 35:15.136[SPEAKER_03]: I love Or so much.35:15.196 --> 35:19.686[SPEAKER_03]: I love you know, I love all of it, but now I think it's just more based on35:21.100 --> 35:22.963[SPEAKER_03]: the filmmaker is what I'm looking for.35:22.983 --> 35:23.524[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.35:24.184 --> 35:24.825[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's funny.35:24.905 --> 35:30.514[SPEAKER_01]: I've always been curious, like I understand like some horror things that I kind of get Jordan Jordan Peel.35:30.554 --> 35:30.974[SPEAKER_01]: Jordan Peel.35:31.155 --> 35:33.097[SPEAKER_01]: Jordan Peel.35:33.238 --> 35:34.459[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of get that I can get into it.35:34.479 --> 35:42.651[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm wondering in your words or in your thought, what is it that's magnetic about horror to horror fans?35:42.751 --> 35:46.737[SPEAKER_01]: What is that thing that makes it so appealing?35:46.970 --> 36:01.310[SPEAKER_03]: I think that what makes horror appealing to audiences is that what I've learned from it and what people are now talking about why it's so enticing is that for me, it lowers my anxiety.36:01.371 --> 36:06.838[SPEAKER_03]: And it lowers other people's anxiety because they know the thing is going to happen and then it's going to be over and you're actually safe.36:06.918 --> 36:08.100[SPEAKER_03]: It hasn't happened in real life.36:08.140 --> 36:12.927[SPEAKER_03]: There's something about being able to control a scary situation that36:13.430 --> 36:15.052[SPEAKER_03]: is comforting for people, oddly enough.36:15.072 --> 36:25.566[SPEAKER_03]: You think it'd be the opposite, but I think horror fans really get a lot of comfort in seeing something happen that's not happening in real life if that makes sense.36:25.586 --> 36:36.560[SPEAKER_03]: And my thing that I'm attracted to with horror films and I feel like a lot of people in the business is that you can use it as a vehicle for any other thing you're trying to say.36:36.661 --> 36:40.045[SPEAKER_03]: Like, with touch me, it's really that movie is about mental,36:40.312 --> 36:57.831[SPEAKER_03]: mental illness and trauma and things that we go through as human beings but it's you know masked by this crazy alien tentacle weird movie and but you secretly are talking about these other things and getting that message across and that's just something that no other36:58.418 --> 37:04.607[SPEAKER_03]: genre out there can do, but other than like horror, because you can't, I think it just came up with the movie poster.37:04.727 --> 37:06.209[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy, tentacle, weird movie.37:06.650 --> 37:07.351[SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts?37:07.612 --> 37:23.515[SPEAKER_01]: Do you like, you know, when we're growing up, and the movies are going to be in the theater, well, depending how they perform for a long time, and then dollar theater, and then cable, or, you know, do you like the direction we're going now, or it's less emphasis on the theatrical?37:23.680 --> 37:32.329[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's such a, it's so hard because I, because I'm thinking horror, you know, that's something you could be in a big room with other people in all experiencing it.37:32.349 --> 37:34.171[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of heightens it a little bit, you know?37:34.191 --> 37:36.873[SPEAKER_03]: I'm such a movie nerd and I love going to the movie theater.37:36.913 --> 37:42.359[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we all grew up going to the movies and, you know, physical media and going to blockbuster and all that.37:42.419 --> 37:45.702[SPEAKER_03]: And like it was like, you really had to put in the effort and then it was an experience.37:45.722 --> 37:48.485[SPEAKER_03]: And like, I always want things to come out theatrically.37:48.585 --> 37:50.667[SPEAKER_03]: It's just not the way the business works anymore.37:50.967 --> 37:53.550[SPEAKER_03]: But so I wish everything came out theatrically.37:53.830 --> 37:54.791[SPEAKER_03]: That would be amazing.37:55.132 --> 38:05.144[SPEAKER_03]: But it also streaming and online platforms really offer so many young filmmakers and people who wouldn't have a chance to put their projects out there to be seen.38:05.284 --> 38:06.405[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like a double-edged sword.38:06.425 --> 38:12.933[SPEAKER_03]: But I wish there was that middle ground, which where movies, small movies, like mine, like it's great that we're going to have a small theatrical release.38:12.953 --> 38:14.735[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's going to release everywhere.38:14.795 --> 38:18.499[SPEAKER_03]: But the window is much shorter than it used to be when it's in a theater.38:18.579 --> 38:20.822[SPEAKER_03]: I wish we could go back to some middle ground38:21.427 --> 38:22.808[SPEAKER_01]: It was funny.38:22.828 --> 38:50.674[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching Matt Damon was in an interview recently and he I think it was lamenting because he's like because with streaming you almost have to reintroduce to premise every you know I'm not a writer but you have to do it incrementally because you got people with you know those of us all with ADHD's back and on ADHD but some people and they're doing well there's not that they're doing other stuff on your phone or doing that so there's something to be38:50.941 --> 38:57.591[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's scary because now like a lot of the streamers They make writers have to do that.38:57.771 --> 39:18.383[SPEAKER_03]: They literally have to write scripts that way and TV shows have to be written where you Restate the plot every so often and that's really changed just the literal of storytelling and that sucks that part I really hate I also sad that I've gone to the movies quite a bit lately, and I find myself it's hard to sit and concentrate and I'm like this is my39:18.683 --> 39:27.734[SPEAKER_03]: favorite thing in the world to do and yet my attention span is going worse or worse and I'm like oh wow that's very like you think are kind of rewiring ourselves is the way we consume.39:27.854 --> 39:28.375[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.39:28.515 --> 39:32.980[SPEAKER_01]: I like my kids the watch stuff and like an iPad or fun I'm like no, I've got to watch it.39:33.180 --> 39:34.983[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a 75 inch TV.39:35.103 --> 39:42.712[SPEAKER_01]: To me that's big enough, you know, it's it's I should see everything But I think there's I think I in fact I heard Spielberg years ago.39:42.872 --> 39:45.315[SPEAKER_01]: I did go back maybe five maybe more years ago said that I39:45.295 --> 40:03.131[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna head in a direction where they're gonna have maybe a few big blockbusters They're gonna hang out and theaters for a long time everything else is gonna be in and right out I mean what he said almost like a prophecy Yeah, we'll be Well happening, but I would like to think that the pendulum would swing back like vinyl music a music on vinyl Kind of came back.40:03.171 --> 40:10.398[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to think that there would be something You know in the world of AI and all that there's gonna be this hunger or thirst or authenticity Watch your story arc.40:10.598 --> 40:12.940[SPEAKER_03]: I think there is already in the last year like40:13.325 --> 40:17.210[SPEAKER_03]: you know, Gen Z and Gen Alpha, like they want physical media.40:17.511 --> 40:41.704[SPEAKER_03]: They're going out and buying DVDs in VHS players and they're discovering like camcorders and like all the things that I grew up with and they want it and they're they're I don't know where the stats are where I've read this but I have been seeing articles about them wanting to not be on their phones and go to the movie theater and I hope that that you know eventually trickles up into theatrical becoming more of a thing.40:41.724 --> 40:42.825[SPEAKER_03]: I mean40:43.565 --> 40:49.018[SPEAKER_03]: You know, rocky right now we don't know what you know there's all the new mergers and all these things so it's like what what's going to happen to40:50.163 --> 40:51.424[SPEAKER_03]: theatrical, I don't know.40:51.764 --> 40:59.271[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would like to think that there is going to be, you know, I remember there was a time in the 90s, you know, you had Kevin Smith and Lee Ladder.40:59.351 --> 41:03.415[SPEAKER_01]: And there was the, there kind of the indie-ish stuff.41:03.435 --> 41:20.170[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to think that maybe that we're going to kind of cruise back into another indie era, which I think would be fantastic, because I think there aren't nearly enough comedies out there, I know, but that's to do with economics, because our, what we perceive, comedy that lands well here doesn't do well in international markets.41:20.150 --> 41:24.176[SPEAKER_01]: as far as anything on the on-deck circle that you have besides touching me.41:24.196 --> 41:26.019[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have anything kind of coming out soon?41:26.379 --> 41:32.969[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm I have another film that was out on the the film festival circuit and it still is right now, so we're trying to sell that one.41:33.470 --> 41:41.922[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully that comes out in the next year and that one is called Abigail before Beatrice, it's like a41:42.458 --> 41:46.286[SPEAKER_03]: Colt would be very much more grounded in the film and I'm really proud of that one.41:46.366 --> 41:54.423[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm developing a few other projects that we haven't announced yet, but I'm developing and trying to get funding for a few projects right now.41:54.663 --> 41:56.968[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, meeting on other things that are shooting.41:57.930 --> 42:00.315[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of where I'm at right now is in a lot of development.42:07.180 --> 42:17.018[SPEAKER_01]: As we kind of wrap up, I always kind of toss out my seven questions on the back end just a little fun extra thing I like to do and I inevitably always say to talk food at least once.42:17.119 --> 42:20.104[SPEAKER_01]: The first question is what is your favorite comfort food?42:21.046 --> 42:24.332[SPEAKER_01]: Something like you've had a bad day or a great day, you just just you need it.42:24.673 --> 42:27.518[SPEAKER_03]: My favorite comfort food is microwave macaroni.42:28.763 --> 42:29.764[SPEAKER_03]: not very fast.42:29.784 --> 42:32.548[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't know, macaroni's come up a good handful of times.42:32.608 --> 42:34.851[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, not a pat now.42:34.951 --> 42:35.972[SPEAKER_01]: I was a little thinking.42:35.992 --> 42:37.915[SPEAKER_01]: I said about Denny's on the menu.42:37.955 --> 42:41.119[SPEAKER_01]: They have a box of craft macaroni, because they don't even try to hide it.42:41.259 --> 42:41.619[SPEAKER_01]: You know.42:42.480 --> 42:42.580[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.42:42.640 --> 42:43.021[SPEAKER_01]: That's Mike.42:43.041 --> 42:43.582[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.42:43.602 --> 42:45.905[SPEAKER_01]: So it was that when you were a little girl, were you just kind of was that one.42:45.945 --> 42:48.428[SPEAKER_01]: The first thing you kind of learned how to make on your own and you.42:48.448 --> 42:49.069[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.42:49.089 --> 42:50.991[SPEAKER_03]: I think, I mean, it's.42:50.971 --> 43:05.149[SPEAKER_03]: actually quite complicated in my brain, has it with my OCD, but like comfort foods growing up or a big thing, like when had that anxiety, I only wanted to eat pasta and playing food and simple like starches and carbs.43:05.534 --> 43:09.979[SPEAKER_03]: that is carried through as an adult whenever I'm stressed or have a bad day or having anxiety.43:10.099 --> 43:17.688[SPEAKER_03]: I have to eat like pasta or macaroni or something I can predict what if taste and feels like if that makes sense.43:18.188 --> 43:22.954[SPEAKER_01]: That's like yeah and it's consistent on a craft craft macaroni and cheese is enough.43:22.974 --> 43:31.403[SPEAKER_01]: Now if you were to sit down with three people, uh, the next question, you know, living or not, y'all are going to talk story for a few hours.43:31.523 --> 43:34.647[SPEAKER_01]: Who do those three people be43:35.302 --> 43:41.468[SPEAKER_03]: Carl Sagan, Stanley Kubrick, and Bjork.43:42.029 --> 43:43.370[SPEAKER_01]: You know that's very cool.43:43.530 --> 43:48.896[SPEAKER_01]: I always say this, I think not that you're having a conversation with them, but it's interesting how would they interact with one another?43:49.156 --> 43:50.317[SPEAKER_01]: That would be very fascinating.43:50.998 --> 43:53.600[SPEAKER_03]: I think shit would get weird real fast with that bunch.43:56.223 --> 43:57.704[SPEAKER_01]: Now, go back to when you were young.43:57.764 --> 44:00.807[SPEAKER_01]: Who is your very first celebrity crush when you were a kid?44:01.508 --> 44:02.389[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.44:03.466 --> 44:04.147[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.44:04.167 --> 44:11.459[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I was really, I think I had a crush on Elijah Wood in the movie Flipper.44:11.479 --> 44:16.026[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that's something I remember, but I don't know.44:16.046 --> 44:23.358[SPEAKER_03]: I should have that an answer to that, but I can't, I never really had like, somebody I was obsessed with in that way.44:23.418 --> 44:25.301[SPEAKER_03]: I was just like obsessed with all actors.44:25.521 --> 44:25.922[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.44:26.302 --> 44:27.364[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I mean,44:27.547 --> 44:35.797[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's funny your name is Olivia's, you know, my oldest daughter, Lily, is Olivia and Haley were like two names that would be great.44:35.817 --> 44:37.259[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, why don't I like this name so much?44:37.480 --> 44:38.881[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Olivia Newton shot.44:39.062 --> 44:41.725[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, great crush when I was a kid.44:42.186 --> 44:50.196[SPEAKER_01]: But I have, you know, three kids, you know, my son's accurate, but I have Lily and Emma, you know, did Haley and, and I think it's Haley Mills.44:50.336 --> 44:51.617[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, that is young, I thought.44:51.758 --> 44:52.879[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.44:52.859 --> 44:54.901[SPEAKER_01]: Big fan of Olivia, it's thrown out.44:54.921 --> 44:59.626[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say you're going to be the next question you're going to be living on an island for a year exotic island.44:59.646 --> 45:03.289[SPEAKER_01]: You like being there, it's fantastic, but there's no streaming.45:03.610 --> 45:06.472[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to listen to music, you've got to bring a CD or a box set.45:07.333 --> 45:13.680[SPEAKER_01]: And a movie that you can, you know, music and listen to over and over again, and a movie you can watch over and over again.45:13.760 --> 45:18.484[SPEAKER_01]: Why would that CDB and what would that DVDB that you'd bring to the island for a year?45:19.245 --> 45:20.166[SPEAKER_03]: I mean,45:20.365 --> 45:22.769[SPEAKER_03]: The DVD would just be the shining.45:22.929 --> 45:25.954[SPEAKER_03]: I know I've already talked about it, but it is a comfort movie for me.45:26.815 --> 45:31.162[SPEAKER_03]: And that is always the one that I'm like, I watch over and over, so I think I could handle it.45:32.484 --> 45:35.449[SPEAKER_03]: I don't see the, I don't know.45:35.469 --> 45:42.520[SPEAKER_03]: I've been like, Bjork is my favorite artist, but I feel like I might go crazy if all I listen to was her music on an island.45:43.121 --> 45:44.023[SPEAKER_03]: Something classical.45:44.183 --> 45:47.368[SPEAKER_03]: I do like classical music, so I don't know who it would be, but,45:48.175 --> 46:03.579[SPEAKER_01]: Something something classical is that we can't like listen to at night to kind of unwind in this classical Okay, now if you were to say from the time you get up to the time you go to bed What would be the component parts like the recipe for a perfect day for you if all these things?46:04.240 --> 46:04.861[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of happened.46:04.881 --> 46:06.624[SPEAKER_01]: There would be a spot on perfect day for you.46:06.644 --> 46:07.085[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.46:07.105 --> 46:15.398[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I aim for it all the time I like to make up early with my dogs like I love watching the sunrise and I love watching horror movies in the morning46:15.648 --> 46:17.410[SPEAKER_03]: So I always kind of have an ongoing movie.46:17.431 --> 46:21.616[SPEAKER_03]: I'm watching, I don't necessarily finish it, but I like starting the morning with a really intense film.46:22.077 --> 46:25.282[SPEAKER_03]: I think because that's when my brain is awake, I'm such a morning person.46:25.682 --> 46:30.228[SPEAKER_03]: And then if it gives me anxiety or like it's too heavy, I get to go on with the rest of my day.46:30.269 --> 46:45.570[SPEAKER_03]: So I would watch a horror movie, make breakfast, then I would go to the barn and ride my horse, spend a couple hours at the barn, and then I would probably try to have my sister over46:45.938 --> 46:53.643[SPEAKER_03]: And then I would probably watch couple episodes of friends with some like a good dinner or my great macaroni.46:54.345 --> 46:57.214[SPEAKER_03]: And then I would just go to all of my dogs and cuddle with my dogs.46:57.464 --> 47:02.372[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very interesting curated day, and it's probably really boring for a month.47:02.392 --> 47:13.108[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think it's cool because there's this philosophy on life in general and I think it's sort of like interpersonally or even food, it's balance and contrast.47:13.769 --> 47:19.017[SPEAKER_01]: I've just theory that we like that, then you start off with Horia, but you end up with, you know, friends.47:18.997 --> 47:23.890[SPEAKER_03]: I like to end the day with light-hearted things because also I get sleepy as soon as the sun goes down.47:23.950 --> 47:27.740[SPEAKER_03]: It drives my husband nuts because he can stay up late watching things and I can't.47:27.760 --> 47:31.390[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, I have to just turn on something that my brain cannot.47:31.610 --> 47:33.495[SPEAKER_03]: It isn't going to be overstimulated.47:33.712 --> 47:34.753[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the same way.47:34.773 --> 47:41.182[SPEAKER_01]: The problem with me is if I get something like last night, last couple nights has happened where for some reason it has wake up at 3 a.m.47:41.423 --> 47:42.985[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's because the dog chump is the bed.47:43.726 --> 47:50.535[SPEAKER_01]: And then my brain decides to grab something that's been thinking of during the day and just a project of working on them like this sucks.47:50.555 --> 47:51.677[SPEAKER_01]: Now I've got to try to get the sleep.47:51.697 --> 47:52.378[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a right now.47:52.678 --> 47:53.619[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good thing.47:54.120 --> 48:03.533[SPEAKER_01]: So I find that if I, you know, music or something, get kind of distracted, that little like, you know, a caffeine fuel teenager in my brain finally kind of chills out, you know.48:03.513 --> 48:12.023[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you weren't doing this for living, the next question, you know, somebody said, listen, the acting, the produce entertainment performance, it's just not available to you.48:12.164 --> 48:15.287[SPEAKER_01]: What would be the next vocation that you think would bring you joy?48:17.050 --> 48:32.068[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, other than going to outer space, which isn't a possibility, I go back to horse training, I would just go back to the horse world, my train horses, my whole life,48:32.572 --> 48:34.374[SPEAKER_03]: plan if I wasn't acting for sure.48:34.934 --> 48:42.842[SPEAKER_01]: Well, tell you, seven miles south of me, that's where SpaceX sends out the rockets so maybe I, you know, if you want to do some space things, maybe hit your right over there.48:42.862 --> 48:48.828[SPEAKER_03]: I always say I want to do it, but I would probably, it would be a nightmare actually to actually be an under space probably, I don't know.48:49.089 --> 48:49.489[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.48:49.609 --> 48:52.912[SPEAKER_01]: I, the only thing that would bother me is the claustrophobic nature of it.48:53.013 --> 48:54.174[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only thing, you know.48:54.314 --> 48:56.036[SPEAKER_01]: But, but it is pretty cool, though.48:56.196 --> 48:57.177[SPEAKER_01]: It depends on my rhythm.48:57.197 --> 48:58.478[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like Sonic.48:58.458 --> 49:01.642[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my golden is not like the sonic booms though.49:01.682 --> 49:03.864[SPEAKER_01]: I made your steak a ticket not for beach to watch a launch.49:04.585 --> 49:07.408[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was, it was, it is pretty cool though.49:07.588 --> 49:10.331[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of the space part of me, it kind of gets tickled every time I watch it.49:11.252 --> 49:16.998[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you, the last question, if you're to jump in that delorean, you're going to go back, you're 16 years old.49:17.619 --> 49:25.748[SPEAKER_01]: You got a piece of advice, you got a few minutes with yourself to either make that moment of your life in some way, maybe a little better or get on a different trajectory,49:25.728 --> 49:30.316[SPEAKER_01]: What piece of advice would you offer up to 16-year-old-year-old?49:30.336 --> 49:42.335[SPEAKER_03]: I think I would probably, I mean, I would have so much to say to 16-year-old me, but I think I would just try to reassure myself that, you know, somebody who's always had very intense feelings and very big emotions.49:42.996 --> 49:51.330[SPEAKER_03]: And when I'm in them, I don't see a way out of them, but the older I get, I'm able to know that like, whatever that feeling or emotion is, it's going to pass.49:52.019 --> 50:03.215[SPEAKER_03]: you're going to be okay and I think I would just like to tell myself that when I was younger that you're going to figure out tools to be okay and when things get sad or you're angry or you're overwhelmed and you don't know what's going to happen.50:04.396 --> 50:06.359[SPEAKER_03]: It just keeps going and then works itself out.50:06.519 --> 50:17.875[SPEAKER_03]: Why don't adults to I want to why don't adults tell kids that more because I think that's something I don't know because I try to tell my nieces that and they don't hear it so I'm like I guess that's just a journey you have to go on as a person.50:18.074 --> 50:21.299[SPEAKER_01]: Because what a great way to put it big, but you just don't see how.50:21.800 --> 50:27.408[SPEAKER_01]: But you've been through enough stuff in life, you actually see, you don't know what the on ramp is, are all forever.50:27.428 --> 50:28.229[SPEAKER_01]: But it's going to be there.50:28.269 --> 50:30.913[SPEAKER_01]: What the whole phrase of this two-shall panic, you know?50:31.234 --> 50:42.951[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't make a suck any less, but, you know, it's, but that is, that's one of the things I try to communicate to my kids, you know, they, I think they had an eat little easier go at some level that I did growing up, but I'm like, yeah, it's,50:42.931 --> 50:48.139[SPEAKER_01]: You know, life, it's, it's, it's waves, you know, it's up and down, you know, you've got to, but that's that's perfect.50:48.159 --> 50:53.407[SPEAKER_01]: But now I, you know, I'm excited to see this, as you put it crazy weird tentacle.50:54.949 --> 50:58.074[SPEAKER_01]: Touch me now, who's in that with you, anybody that we would know?50:59.316 --> 51:05.104[SPEAKER_03]: Lou Taylor Pucci plays Brian the alien and he's just, he's an actor I've been a fan of forever.51:05.184 --> 51:12.195[SPEAKER_03]: He's in so many indie films and then Jordan Gavaris is in it with me and he's an amazing actor too.51:12.361 --> 51:16.371[SPEAKER_03]: It's a it's a very fun cast and I there's no other movie like it.51:16.451 --> 51:20.060[SPEAKER_03]: I'm very excited and like what is the audience?51:20.561 --> 51:22.366[SPEAKER_03]: How is it going to be received?51:22.446 --> 51:24.852[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to see it sounds pretty awesome.51:25.393 --> 51:26.556[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm looking forward to it.51:26.576 --> 51:28.361[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm actually going to go hunt down the magicians.51:28.401 --> 51:29.644[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's going to be my.51:30.012 --> 51:32.598[SPEAKER_01]: we can watch because we're a big spring break down here.51:32.798 --> 51:35.845[SPEAKER_01]: And I do not like being on the road with a big spring breakers down.51:35.865 --> 51:39.573[SPEAKER_01]: So that that might be the thing that I that I kind of do to pass the time.51:39.893 --> 51:41.898[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely I appreciate you spend some time with me today.51:41.938 --> 51:45.105[SPEAKER_01]: And uh, and uh, and uh, all it's it's more than a pleasure.51:45.225 --> 51:48.512[SPEAKER_01]: And uh, hopefully we'll have an opportunity to catch up down the line.51:48.532 --> 51:49.013[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure.51:49.233 --> 51:49.995[SPEAKER_03]: Have a good one.51:51.764 --> 52:02.435[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there you go, Olivia Taylor Dudley, really enjoyed the sit down, I mean, it's been a while since we've been able to talk about things extra terrestrial aliens.52:02.695 --> 52:06.559[SPEAKER_01]: The new film makes sure to check it out, it is called Touch Me.52:07.000 --> 52:09.983[SPEAKER_01]: It isn't theaters right now just came out a few days ago.52:10.523 --> 52:17.130[SPEAKER_01]: So Olivia was blast and really enjoyed the opportunity to get to know her and I'm glad you did as well.52:17.110 --> 52:23.477[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so, as always, please make sure to follow Story and Craft on your favorite podcast app.52:23.497 --> 52:25.820[SPEAKER_01]: That way you get notified new episode comes out.52:25.860 --> 52:27.081[SPEAKER_01]: Make sure to like the show.52:27.502 --> 52:30.084[SPEAKER_01]: Helps people to find Story and Craft.52:30.124 --> 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