Steven Krueger | From “The Originals” to Showtime’s “Yellowjackets” | Perfection of a Closing Argument

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And I saw that and I was like, wow, like I want to do that.

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And I think what I realized,

honestly, not that long ago, like I

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didn't actually want to be a lawyer.

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I wanted to be that guy.

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I wanted to be that actor on TV.

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That was like giving those really

cool speeches and like moving people.

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Announcer: Welcome to story and craft.

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Now here's your host, Marc Preston.

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All

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Marc Preston: right,

here we go back again.

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You and I doing that thing we call

story and craft and my name is Marc.

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Preston.

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So if this is your first episode,

Hey, thanks so much for stopping by.

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We're just hanging out here.

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Uh, Ranger, my, uh, 10 month

old golden retriever next to

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me looking at me right now.

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There may be a bark, we're not sure.

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Just hanging out here on the coast,

South Padre Island in Texas, and uh,

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just overlooking the beach here, a

beautiful view of the Gulf of Mexico.

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Take that Google Maps.

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And just uh, enjoying the opportunity

to bring you today's episode, sitting

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down with actor Stephen Kruger.

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Uh, he is on the Showtime and a Paramount

plus with Showtime show Yellow Jackets,

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which if you haven't had an opportunity

to check it out, very a cool cast,

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Melanie Lenski, Christina Ricci, Juliette

Lewis, Liv Hewson, Samantha Hanratty.

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One of my favorite young actors, Sophie

Thatcher enjoyed the opportunity to

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sit down with Steven and talk about his

career, which has had him on shows like.

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Pretty Little Liars, the originals,

and the third season of Yellow Jackets,

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which comes out today, February 14th.

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Uh, so thank you for making

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Uh, let's jump right into it today.

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A cool guy, talented actor.

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It is Steven Kruger day

today on story and craft.

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Steven Krueger: Where are

you joining me from today?

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02:47 Stephen's Journey to Nashville

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Uh, I'm in Nashville, Tennessee,

uh, permanent, permanent residence

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as of, uh, I don't know, like

a, like a year ago or so.

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Um, I relocated to Nashville.

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I was in LA for quite a while.

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Um, actually spent the last four

years, honestly, like a vagabond,

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just kind of like six months at a

time here, six months at a time there.

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Um, you know, it's that, it's that

afterlife we, we go where we have to.

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That's

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Marc Preston: one of the things

I, uh, when I started off my

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career, many, many, many, I'm.

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Let's just say a long time

ago, I was working in radio.

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I was like, I had one of those few jobs

that you just could not travel around for.

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And I always interviewed my

friends that could travel for work.

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And I was like, I want to do that.

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And then, uh, you know, I, I

started seeing that, you know, the

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traveling is like, you know, kind

of wears on them after a while.

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They want a home base, you know?

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Uh, are you originally from

Tennessee or is this just.

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Nashville was just the destination.

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No,

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Steven Krueger: no, I grew up in Florida,

spent a lot of time in, uh, in L.

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A. And, uh, and my partner now,

my girlfriend lives in Nashville.

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Um, and she has a couple of

wonderful little children.

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So she's, uh, she's kind of tied here

for, uh, for the foreseeable future.

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So that was kind of always

part of the, part of the deal

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when we first got together.

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Um, this is going to work out long term.

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It's going to have to be in Nashville.

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So in this industry, you know, where

we can kind of work from anywhere.

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Marc Preston: Yeah.

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Nashville's, uh, kind of like,

uh, Austin is down here in Texas.

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Like a lot of people are moving cost

of living in LA and just lifestyle.

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Yeah.

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It's one of those, it's one of those

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Steven Krueger: spots.

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I think you're right.

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Yeah.

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People are coming from New York.

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People are coming from LA, um, either

coast and just finding these, uh, these

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cities that are kind of in the middle of

the country and it's, I mean, it's been

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great, honestly, I like it here a lot.

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Um, and like I said, this is, you know,

I'm sure you've experienced this a

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little bit as well, but people in the

entertainment industry now, especially

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within the last, I don't know what,

call it three, four years, COVID really,

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really kind of like jumpstarted it.

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I think, uh, like, you know, like, uh,

taped auditions and stuff like that.

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Yeah.

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Taped auditions, zoom auditions.

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I mean, I swear if you told me, if

you had told me five years ago at this

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point, um, that you could do an audition

over zoom on the internet, I would've

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thought it was the craziest thing ever.

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Um, but now, I mean, it's just,

it's just kind of seamless.

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It's just, it's just

the way we operate now.

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So, um, yeah, it's, it's nice.

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I think I, I've talked to more and more

people in the industry who are slowly

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kind of getting out of LA and New York.

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Not because, you know, don't like it.

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Um, I loved living in LA.

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I, I still love it.

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I still have a lot of friends there.

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Um, but you know.

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At a certain point, it's like, all

right, maybe I can go somewhere else.

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Maybe we can try something different.

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Marc Preston: Plus, you know, Nashville,

you got some good food up there.

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I will say that.

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So, you know, it's incredible.

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Steven Krueger: Yeah.

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It's, it's a great city.

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I'm still, I'm still learning the ropes a

little bit, but it's, it's been awesome.

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So you're

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Marc Preston: a fan of country music.

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I mean, you know, obviously

that's the question to ask.

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Steven Krueger: I am.

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Yeah.

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I love, I love, I love country music.

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And honestly, I didn't, I mean,

you know, everybody associates

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Nashville with country music.

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I didn't realize that it's just,

it's kind of like the music capital

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in general, not even necessarily.

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Jack White's got a,

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Marc Preston: got a place there.

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I think

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Steven Krueger: it seems

like everybody does.

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Um, I mean, the most amazing thing

about Nashville, I would say it's like.

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The musicians here are so talented

and you realize, you realize just how

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hard it is to make it as a musician.

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You, you walk through the airport here.

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I don't know if you've ever been, but

you walk through the airport and like the

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artists that they have playing in like

the airport restaurants, you know, that

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are just with their guitar, with a piano

and singing like in an airport restaurant,

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you would stop and be like, I don't know

why this person doesn't have an album.

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Um, it's, I mean, it's, it's

incredible how talented the

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musicians are that come here.

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So, uh, it's, it's a nice reminder that,

uh, that, that art is art and it can

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happen anywhere, but when you get a big

concentration of, of artists in one area,

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it's just like, Oh, it's overwhelming.

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Marc Preston: Yeah.

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My daughter was just up there.

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She's, she's the country

fan of my three kids.

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She's 19.

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Uh, she's actually going

to school in Florida.

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So she goes, went up to, uh, her

boyfriend and they all went up family

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to do, uh, I think the holidays have

a Nashville and I was trying to live

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vicariously through her, like what kind

of food she's had them, like, you know,

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go hit all the home cooking places,

you know, um, but she's the reason why.

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I mentioned this before on the show that

she, uh, I got, you get your Spotify

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end of year, you know, like wrap up,

like what was the number one song,

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you know, whenever we're in the car,

she's always in control of the Spotify.

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So it was like, you know, I

have a really eclectic taste.

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It's all over the place.

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And then, okay.

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Morgan Wallen was like number one by far.

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I was like, how did that happen?

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Oh, my daughter, you know, because

she refuses to let me control my own.

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Spotify in the car,

you know, that happens.

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Steven Krueger: I don't, I'm, I'm scared

to think with, uh, with a nine year old

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and a four year old in the car half the

time, I'm like, I don't know exactly what

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my, uh, what my top song played would be

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Marc Preston: as long

as it's not baby shark.

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You're good to go.

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You know, that's,

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Steven Krueger: uh, that's, that's

probably on the list somewhere,

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but hopefully it's not at the top.

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Marc Preston: Now we're in Florida.

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Did you grow up?

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Steven Krueger: Uh, I grew up in Sarasota.

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Um, so like West coast of

Florida, Tampa Bay area.

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I don't know.

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Where's your daughter going to,

where's your daughter going to school?

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Marc Preston: She's down in, uh, Boca

Ratona, a small university down there.

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Um, she likes the beach.

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She's kind of like me.

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She wants to meet me near the beach.

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And you know, she, and she

just informed me yesterday.

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She's doing a study abroad next fall.

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So it's like, you know, I like

that, you know, where's she going?

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Uh, I don't know.

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She's, she's already

done Spain and, um, Yeah.

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Spain.

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She did a study abroad last year,

uh, yeah, she, she said Germany.

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Uh, she wants to go back to London and,

uh, where's, where's the third place

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she was telling me she wanted to go.

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Uh, Oh, I forgot.

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I forgot, but she's going to

spend the whole semester there.

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So I'm like, okay, all right.

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Well, you know.

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Yeah.

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She's feeling that like, Oh, I'm

an adult or legally an adult now.

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So she's kind of feeling that and, uh,

kind of doing her thing, like traveling

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to go see her boyfriend during, you know,

like just got an alert on my phone on

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like that life 360 that she was at the

airport, you know, I was like, what?

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I was like, it's like, you know, she's,

she's not trying to drive me nuts,

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but the virtue of the fact she's a 19

year old, I'm, I'm worried, you know,

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she's, she's got a lot of chutzpah.

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I don't worry about her, but

as a parent, you just always

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worry, you know, that's your job.

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You know, that's what I've heard.

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Yeah.

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You grew up in Sarasota, Sarasota.

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They did.

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And then they do a lot of like.

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Baseball, uh, spring training.

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Didn't they do that there for a while?

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I think, yeah, there's

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Steven Krueger: some baseball,

baseball, spring training.

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I believe the Orioles are there.

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Um, Yankees are up in Tampa and

then, uh, what else is it known for?

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Uh, it is known for at one

point we were ranked like the

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number one beach in the country.

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Uh, yeah, it's one of those beautiful,

like white sand beaches that just

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feel, I mean, it's, it's like.

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Powdered sugar.

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You step on it and it's just, I mean,

it's soft and it's, it's gorgeous.

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Um, so I think we had the

number one beach for a while.

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Who knows if we still are.

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Uh, and then the circus, um,

that was like where, uh, John

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Ringling kind of settled down.

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So there's like a whole, there's like

a whole circus culture there as well.

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They have like the Ringling

museum and the Ringling mansion

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and all that kind of stuff.

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So that's, that's also a big deal.

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I gotta,

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Marc Preston: I'm just gonna use that

phrase at some point in time today.

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Circus culture.

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You know, like maybe when we

refer to the politics right now,

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is that, you know, I think, I

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Steven Krueger: think

that could be applied.

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Yeah, I think that could be applied

appropriately to politics, to

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entertainment, to, you know, business.

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I mean, pretty much

anything at any given time.

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Marc Preston: growing up in

Sarasota was, I mean, how did you

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find your way into doing this?

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Were you like a, were you in high

school, like theater and stuff like that?

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Or it was just, just, was it always

an aspiration or is this kind of

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a happy accident kind of a thing?

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Steven Krueger: It was, it was both.

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I mean, I had, I had the

aspiration when I was young.

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I did.

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Yeah, I did.

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I did do a lot of high school

theater and that kind of stuff.

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I grew up doing it, but it was never, I

mean, it was never a career aspiration.

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I don't, uh, to me, you have

to be batshit crazy to, to

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actually choose this as a career.

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Um, and I just remember when I was young,

it was like, it was like, you know,

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this is a thing that you do for fun.

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This is a hobby.

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This is not a career.

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in the back of my minds.

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Um, and it ended up being

kind of a happy accident.

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Um, how I, how I fell into it.

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I, um, I found myself in Los Angeles after

I graduated from college, gonna go to law

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school, um, take a couple of years off.

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like, eh, you know, maybe I, uh.

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Maybe I see what happens.

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Maybe I get back into acting a little

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a couple of years and nothing happens.

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And I go on to law school as was the plan.

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Um, but yeah, you know, as, as I think

a lot of people in their own industries

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probably find you don't often study

and I'll be curious, you know, I don't

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know what your daughter is studying,

but One of the things that I've learned

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is just, just friends, family, not

very many people these days end up

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studying the thing that they ultimately

end up doing for, for their career.

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So, um, you mentioned

the lawyer thing on a lot

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Marc Preston: of people do that.

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Uh, you know, I've got a cousin

who went to, to, uh, brown,

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then he went to Harvard law.

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Then you just not wanting to practice,

you know, a lot of, a lot of people

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will use it, a lot of entertainment,

a lot of agents, you know, we'll have

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had that, but they never practiced law.

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It's just a, you know, my son right

now is a pre lawn, uh, which is I

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think philosophy and some other,

I forgot what the other thing was.

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He is just like a minor, but it's

a pre law track these on, but he's

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still not sure it graduates next year.

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He doesn't know what he

wants to do for sure.

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But, and I think that's okay.

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You're, you know, a lot of school in.

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When you're young is learning

what you don't want, I think.

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Now what, what doesn't fit now?

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Where were you thinking of going to

school or where were you going to school?

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I'm sorry.

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Steven Krueger: I went to, I went to

UVA, I went to university of Virginia.

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Um, that's where I did my, my undergrad.

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And then, you know, I think I had moved to

California, not just for this internship,

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but I also had grand designs of, of going

to school in California for law school.

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Um, and yeah, I mean,

you know, I, I will say.

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People often ask me because I started

this career a little bit later

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in life, you know, so many people

start this when they're, you know,

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children or, you know, they move out

to, they move out to Hollywood when

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they're 18 years old and that, you

know, they don't really do college.

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Um, and a lot of people have asked me

that because, because, you know, the

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disadvantage to the route that I took

is I didn't really start working until

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I was 20, maybe seven, I think 26,

27 and like really start working and

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supporting myself until I was almost 30.

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And so, you know, I got a late

jump on, on, on everything.

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And it's tough oftentimes to

kind of compete with the people

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who've been doing it for so long.

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I mean, I remember going in, you know,

to auditions when I first started and

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it was like, people were there that

had, you know, mile long resumes.

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Um, and here I was just like, I don't

know, I haven't really done anything.

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And, and I, you know.

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Probably could be your uncle.

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it's one of those, it's one of those

things, but I think the real advantage

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of going to college, cause I wouldn't,

I wouldn't do anything differently.

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Like if I could do it all over again,

I would do it exactly the same way.

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Um, for me anyway, you know, kind

of going the higher education path

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and actually spending four years

at school and away from home.

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I just grew up so much and and I'm

sure that your daughter is probably

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experiencing the same thing.

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You just kind of grow up, you end up

being surrounded by people that are from

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different places around the world, people

that have different interests, people

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that are studying different things,

different types of personalities, and

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you just get exposed to so much that I

think helps you kind of become an adult.

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And look, we get out of college

when we're 22 years old.

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You know, you're still

a child, essentially.

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Um, the law may not see it

that way, but let's be honest.

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I don't think anybody really is, uh, is

in a position feeling your way around.

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Marc Preston: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You're still trying to, you're

still trying to figure it out.

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You're still making those like little,

like mistakes that you're, you know, even

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10 years later, you're going, why did I do

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Steven Krueger: that?

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Marc Preston: Why did

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Steven Krueger: I, yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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I think for men, especially,

um, so yeah, you know, I would

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do everything exactly the same.

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I think, I think college is an

incredible place to kind of become

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the person that you're going to be

and, and learn how to be a grownup

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and, and, and get exposed to a lot

of stuff that you otherwise wouldn't.

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So I think it's an incredible experience.

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I loved it.

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Marc Preston: So somebody in your

family, were they in law is, it was

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the legal thing kind of like, uh,

embedded in your mind that way, or

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it was just an interest for you.

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Steven Krueger: It, it,

no, nobody in my family.

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Um, at least that I

know of was, was in law.

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I'll tell you what it was.

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Honestly, I think I actually, actually

had some, some epiphanies about this when,

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once I became an actor, I think the entire

reason I wanted to be a lawyer in the

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first place is because I loved that show.

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Boston legal.

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Um, when I was growing up, uh, it was like

James Spader with, uh, William Shatner.

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What?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it was like, you know, in

hindsight, I mean, it's a great show.

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It's a David Kelly show.

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It was like almost kind of like

a spinoff of, um, of the practice

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back in the day that like late

nineties, kind of early 2000s.

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Um, it was an

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Marc Preston: incredible show.

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I'm so sorry.

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I've got a nine month old golden

retriever who's dying to come

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down here and hang out with us.

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So.

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Steven Krueger: He just, he doesn't

respect the laws of podcasting, huh?

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Marc Preston: No, no, not, no.

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I've tried to have him down here

before, but he like will jump up here

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and like want to look at the screen.

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You know, it's the funniest thing.

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So when you're watching TV, you know,

watching TV, thinking, okay, this, it's

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not like your attorney got some money.

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You got a nice car and you got like.

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Interesting things happening every day.

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You know, Tom Hanks once said, he's like,

uh, it's like, it's doing homework for a

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living, you know, that's the thing that

kind of turned me off about the idea.

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Steven Krueger: Well, and then you kind of

realized that like, it's not actually what

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you saw on TV, like the actual profession

is not really what you saw on TV.

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You saw this like glorified kind

of, you know, representation of it.

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And the funny thing is, I think

what I really liked about.

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What I saw on that show in

particular, I don't know if you ever

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watched it, but like, what was so

cool about it is James Spader is

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supposed to be this really brilliant

lawyer and God, that man is good.

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Um, and the, like every single episode

almost ended with him giving some

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sort of like, you know, big, long,

like four minute closing arguments

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in whatever case he was arguing in

that particular episode and just

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like winning over the jury with this.

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Incredible closing speech.

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Um, and I saw that and I was

like, wow, like I want to do that.

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And I think what I realized honestly,

not that long ago, like maybe a

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few years ago was that I didn't

actually want to be a lawyer.

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I wanted to be that guy.

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I wanted to be that actor on TV

that was like giving it, you know,

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that was giving those really cool.

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Speeches and like, and like moving people.

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Um, so yeah, I think I found my way

into the thing I was meant to do anyway.

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College, I

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Marc Preston: think is about

finding things that you don't

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want to do as much as you do want

to do, but it's also refinement.

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Like, why is it?

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I want to do this thing.

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And it sounds like it's, you

like the theatrical nature of it.

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Not necessarily all

the bookwork, you know?

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Um, so you went out to California.

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So did you just kind of start auditioning?

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Did you just, you know, or

did you, uh, how did you, how

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did you find your way into it?

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Steven Krueger: I got into class

honestly, um, I had a, I had a, a family

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acquaintance who's a producer and had

been a producer for a long time and

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he told me, you know, he gave me some

advice, um, when I was thinking about

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jumping into this and one of the things

he told me was, you know, he said, did

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you study this in college, you know,

did you do any acting in college?

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I said, no, it was kind

of a high school thing.

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Um, and he said, he said, well, one

of the things I will tell you is get,

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get into class, Like start, you know,

start studying, start training kind of

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as a professional or pre professional.

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Um, because part of the problem with

people just like jumping straight

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into auditioning and in hindsight, I

will admit this, this was accurate.

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Um, part of the problem with that is

that, you know, if you're not ready,

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you can really blow some relationships.

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Um, you know, you can, you

can go into those professional

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rooms and, and audition for.

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Professional casting directors

and directors and producers.

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And if you're not where you need

to be, I mean, they will take a big

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black Marcer and they will just cross

you off of the, off of the list.

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Um, I, I, I had a number of casting

directors that truly I probably, you

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know, alienated because I was in there

before I was really ready and not until

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maybe Five years ago, was I even able

to see some of those people again?

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So it's, it's definitely

something that lasts.

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So yeah, I spent, I spent a number of

years just kind of studying, training,

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learning from as many different

teachers and coaches as I could, um,

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until I don't even know, I think maybe

somebody just like randomly set me

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up with a manager and, um, you know,

man, that led to another manager.

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And then, you know, everything

just kind of snowballs.

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It's, it's, it's, it's hard to,

it's hard to tell exactly like

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what the one cascading moment was.

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Um.

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You know, I think, I think every

actor, everybody in this industry

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has, well, it's definitely,

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Marc Preston: it's incremental, you

know, and it's, it's so funny what

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you said about not being ready.

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And I'm a big fan of tenacious.

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I want to jump in.

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I want to do the thing,

but I coached voiceover.

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Uh, I've been doing that for

years and years and years.

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And one of the hardest things for me to

get across from people is like, yeah,

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I dig the enthusiasm, but the people

that you're auditioning for, did they,

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they have a certain standard that, you

know, if they don't see it, they have

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a wonderful memory for things that

Somebody just knocks it out of them.

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They also have a remember a great memory.

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If you stink up the room, you know,

somewhere in between, maybe you're

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forgettable, you know, uh, but yeah,

that's one of the things that's hard

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for some folks to understand that they

always want to find that one example.

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So and so happened into an audition

and now they're, you know, it's

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still something to be said for,

you know, work, you know, hammer

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away at your craft, you know, and

enjoy the process, you know, so I.

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Steven Krueger: You had such a good point.

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I had an acting teacher, um, very

early on who used to play this game

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with us once in a while and in class

for all the actors that were there.

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And he said, and he said, you know,

who named, name one of your favorite

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actors and, and somebody would name

somebody and he said, okay, what's

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the first thing you remember them?

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And they would say, I

remember them in this thing.

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That's what really turned me on to them.

476

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And then I started following their career.

477

19:20 ,870 --> 00:19:23,280

And then you go to their IMDb and

you look that up and it's like, their

478

19:23 ,280 --> 00:19:27,280

career started 10 years before the

first thing you remember, you know?

479

19:27 ,360 --> 00:19:30,119

And, and like, honestly, it probably

started even several years before they

480

19:30 ,119 --> 00:19:31,810

ever had a credit that went on IMDb.

481

19:31 ,820 --> 00:19:35,300

So, you know, they were working

for God knows how many years

482

19:35 ,300 --> 00:19:36,779

before you even knew who they were.

483

19:36 ,779 --> 00:19:37,119

And that's.

484

19:37 ,550 --> 00:19:40,150

You know, that's the case for, I

would honestly say the overwhelming

485

19:40 ,160 --> 00:19:42,610

majority of people in this industry,

whether you're an actor, whether

486

19:42 ,610 --> 00:19:46,050

you're a musician, whether you're a

director or producer, like, you know,

487

19:46 ,069 --> 00:19:49,469

you're doing stuff for so long before

people ever have any idea who you are.

488

19:49 ,470 --> 00:19:51,600

And that's just the nature of,

that's just the nature of the game.

489

19:51 ,600 --> 00:19:52,630

It's a, it's a slow build.

490

19:52 ,630 --> 00:19:55,590

The, the, you know, the Ashton

Kutcher's who are kind of discovered

491

19:55 ,590 --> 00:19:57,330

overnight and just blow up.

492

19:57 ,790 --> 00:19:59,090

It doesn't happen all that often.

493

19:59 ,100 --> 00:19:59,490

Great.

494

19:59 ,500 --> 00:20:02,860

When it does awesome for them, but

just is not a very common story.

495

20:03 ,070 --> 00:20:04,020

The arc of somebody's

496

20:04 ,020 --> 00:20:06,259

Marc Preston: experience is

going to be, you know, certainly.

497

20:06 ,890 --> 00:20:07,970

It's different person to person.

498

20:07 ,970 --> 00:20:10,710

That's like, you got to ride your

own wave, you know what I mean?

499

20:10 ,720 --> 00:20:12,070

It's, it's gotta be your thing.

500

20:12 ,410 --> 00:20:16,300

And the other, you know, the other thing

I noticed more lately, I'm noticing that

501

20:16 ,310 --> 00:20:18,969

and I don't know if it's because it's

streamers and people producing projects,

502

20:19 ,930 --> 00:20:22,840

but you can go to IMDB and you look at

some folks and they have maybe had two,

503

20:22 ,840 --> 00:20:26,270

three projects that they've completed

that are in the can to just never got

504

20:26 ,270 --> 00:20:28,180

released, you know, for whatever reason.

505

20:28 ,560 --> 00:20:30,950

You know, and that's like however

many months of their life they

506

20:30 ,950 --> 00:20:32,300

put into this thing all excited.

507

20:32 ,300 --> 00:20:33,540

Now that just doesn't come out.

508

20:33 ,550 --> 00:20:34,910

I'm like, well, that sucks.

509

20:35 ,110 --> 00:20:38,420

I think that that's what happened

with, uh, was it something Warner

510

20:38 ,420 --> 00:20:41,370

Brothers did that with a, uh,

Oh, they've done it with a ton.

511

20:41 ,610 --> 00:20:43,119

They've done it with so much.

512

20:43 ,650 --> 00:20:44,679

Don't get me started on that.

513

20:44 ,680 --> 00:20:46,109

Steven Krueger: I'll keep

you here all day long, Marc.

514

20:46 ,109 --> 00:20:50,090

If you get me started on that track about

the current intersection of business

515

20:50 ,090 --> 00:20:53,540

and art and entertainment that we seem

to be experiencing in our industry.

516

20:53 ,540 --> 00:20:55,570

That's, uh, that is a deep

rabbit hole, my friend.

517

20:55 ,895 --> 00:20:56,265

Marc Preston: Yeah,

518

20:56 ,725 --> 00:20:57,405

Steven Krueger: without a doubt.

519

20:57 ,605 --> 00:21:00,465

Marc Preston: But it's, you

know, I still always, uh, have

520

21:00 ,485 --> 00:21:04,295

the eternal optimist where I say

talent like cream rises to the top.

521

21:04 ,355 --> 00:21:06,015

People are always going

to want to be entertained.

522

21:06 ,024 --> 00:21:09,444

They love stories, you know, all

the way back to, you know, painting

523

21:09 ,444 --> 00:21:13,075

cave walls, you know, cavemen, you

know, people love stories, you know,

524

21:13 ,075 --> 00:21:14,055

so it's always going to be there.

525

21:14 ,295 --> 00:21:16,145

That's, that's what I tell myself

and I'm going to believe it.

526

21:16 ,410 --> 00:21:17,740

You know, I agree with you.

527

21:17 ,830 --> 00:21:18,030

Yeah.

528

21:18 ,030 --> 00:21:18,090

I

529

21:18 ,090 --> 00:21:19,430

Steven Krueger: don't think,

yeah, it's certainly, we're

530

21:19 ,430 --> 00:21:20,560

not, we're not going anywhere.

531

21:20 ,590 --> 00:21:20,860

Yeah.

532

21:20 ,860 --> 00:21:22,390

This is something that people

are always going to want.

533

21:22 ,390 --> 00:21:23,680

So yeah, absolutely.

534

21:23 ,820 --> 00:21:28,709

Marc Preston: It's just who the, uh,

um, patrons are, if you will, may change

535

21:28 ,709 --> 00:21:32,949

from moment to moment, you know, who's,

who's doing the financing, um, doing the

536

21:33 ,100 --> 00:21:36,590

financing and the medium, you know, kind

of real quick, going back to your folks.

537

21:36 ,590 --> 00:21:39,090

So like, what, what did they

do, uh, as you're growing up?

538

21:39 ,440 --> 00:21:42,550

Steven Krueger: Um, my dad was my dad

was actually, uh, an airline pilot.

539

21:42 ,620 --> 00:21:45,669

Um, he was an engineer by trade

and then, uh, and that was in the

540

21:45 ,680 --> 00:21:48,020

Air Force, um, and became a pilot.

541

21:48 ,070 --> 00:21:50,120

And, uh, my mom was an estheticist.

542

21:50 ,120 --> 00:21:52,639

She was a stay at home mom for a long

time and then became an esthetician

543

21:52 ,689 --> 00:21:53,849

a little bit later in her life.

544

21:53 ,849 --> 00:21:57,269

So, um, you know, this was, this

was something, you know, somebody

545

21:57 ,269 --> 00:21:58,610

going into the, into the arts.

546

21:58 ,990 --> 00:22:01,240

Very bizarre for everybody involved

547

22:01 ,389 --> 00:22:02,300

Marc Preston: as an esthetician.

548

22:02 ,310 --> 00:22:04,690

She's probably like hyper aware

of like what you're looking

549

22:04 ,700 --> 00:22:05,820

like and stuff like that.

550

22:05 ,870 --> 00:22:09,110

Steven Krueger: I think at one point she

was actually this, my mom actually, uh,

551

22:09 ,110 --> 00:22:10,729

ended up passing away when I was younger.

552

22:10 ,810 --> 00:22:16,965

Um, so she never actually got to,

uh, See me kind of become this.

553

22:16 ,965 --> 00:22:19,405

She actually passed away when

I was a first year in college.

554

22:19 ,405 --> 00:22:23,085

So, um, the, the irony of the story

and the kind of full circle nature of

555

22:23 ,085 --> 00:22:26,155

this story that I, that I love is that

my mom was the kind of the one who

556

22:26 ,155 --> 00:22:30,364

pushed me into an acting class in the

first place when I was a, uh, kind of,

557

22:30 ,365 --> 00:22:32,014

what was I, a freshman in high school.

558

22:32 ,690 --> 00:22:35,680

And she said, Oh man, I think you'd really

like, you know, you've got one extra,

559

22:35 ,700 --> 00:22:36,790

one extra class that you have to fill.

560

22:36 ,790 --> 00:22:37,770

I think you'd really like this.

561

22:37 ,770 --> 00:22:38,970

And I didn't really want to do it.

562

22:38 ,970 --> 00:22:42,790

Cause you know, what 14 year old wants to

go take an acting class in high school.

563

22:42 ,870 --> 00:22:46,599

Um, but sure enough, I, I, you know,

followed her lead and did it and

564

22:46 ,600 --> 00:22:48,699

came home after one day and said,

actually, this is kind of cool.

565

22:48 ,700 --> 00:22:49,360

I think I like it.

566

22:49 ,360 --> 00:22:53,270

So, um, Yeah, I think she would

be, I think she would love this.

567

22:53 ,300 --> 00:22:56,590

Um, in the meantime, her, her sister,

my aunt has kind of become like a

568

22:56 ,600 --> 00:22:58,150

surrogate parent, my, my aunt and uncle.

569

22:58 ,150 --> 00:22:58,790

Well, that's awesome.

570

22:58 ,870 --> 00:22:59,490

That's awesome.

571

22:59 ,680 --> 00:23:00,100

Yeah.

572

23:00 ,100 --> 00:23:03,170

So they, you know, I, they, they kind

of see me through, through her eyes

573

23:03 ,180 --> 00:23:06,419

a little bit and, uh, yeah, there,

there's, there's always people.

574

23:06 ,419 --> 00:23:08,480

And I think every artist

probably experiences this.

575

23:08 ,510 --> 00:23:11,720

There's always people in your family who

you tell them you're going to go do this

576

23:11 ,720 --> 00:23:13,520

as a career and they say, that's amazing.

577

23:13 ,530 --> 00:23:13,840

Wow.

578

23:13 ,850 --> 00:23:14,560

So cool.

579

23:14 ,600 --> 00:23:15,000

You know.

580

23:15 ,245 --> 00:23:15,725

Have fun.

581

23:15 ,725 --> 00:23:16,885

I can't wait to see how it turns out.

582

23:16 ,885 --> 00:23:19,115

And there's always the people that

go, well, what's the backup plan?

583

23:20 ,075 --> 00:23:20,335

Marc Preston: Yeah.

584

23:20 ,535 --> 00:23:20,715

You know,

585

23:20 ,805 --> 00:23:22,595

Steven Krueger: you get a little bit

of, you get a little bit of both.

586

23:22 ,675 --> 00:23:24,834

Marc Preston: I've heard so many

times that if you don't have a

587

23:24 ,834 --> 00:23:28,114

backup plan, you just can't really

see yourself doing anything else.

588

23:28 ,804 --> 00:23:30,564

It probably means you're doing

the right thing, chasing this.

589

23:30 ,645 --> 00:23:30,955

Yeah.

590

23:31 ,074 --> 00:23:37,194

You know, that's, that's

kind of what I've picked up.

591

23:39 ,774 --> 00:23:41,664

So, you know, your dad

is an airline pilot.

592

23:41 ,684 --> 00:23:45,104

So you got a chance to do that whole, uh,

you know, got me growing up in Dallas.

593

23:45 ,104 --> 00:23:46,084

Had so many friends who.

594

23:46 ,465 --> 00:23:48,725

Either had folks worked

for American or Southwest.

595

23:49 ,115 --> 00:23:51,325

They got to go jump on a

plane anytime and go anywhere.

596

23:51 ,335 --> 00:23:52,725

I'm like, how cool would that be?

597

23:52 ,965 --> 00:23:55,334

Did you get a chance to, did

you get a chance to enjoy

598

23:55 ,355 --> 00:23:56,364

that little fringe benefit?

599

23:56 ,465 --> 00:23:57,245

Steven Krueger: Yeah, for sure.

600

23:57 ,255 --> 00:23:58,465

It was a different world back then.

601

23:58 ,465 --> 00:24:00,144

I mean, I don't know if you, I

don't know if you remember, I think,

602

24:00 ,165 --> 00:24:02,664

I think nine 11 was kind of the

inflection point obviously for a lot

603

24:02 ,664 --> 00:24:03,774

of things in the airline industry.

604

24:03 ,774 --> 00:24:07,975

But, um, uh, yeah, I mean, I remember

when I was a kid, it was a whole thing and

605

24:07 ,975 --> 00:24:10,905

they had, you know, they called it, they

split it into revenue and non revenue.

606

24:11 ,260 --> 00:24:14,010

Um, and so, you know, if you were, if

you were flying, you know, with your

607

24:14 ,010 --> 00:24:16,390

parent, who was an employee or something

like that, you were always non revenue.

608

24:16 ,390 --> 00:24:18,930

And with my dad's airline,

um, it was a smaller airline.

609

24:19 ,270 --> 00:24:22,470

They've long been absorbed by

a bigger airline, but, um, part

610

24:22 ,470 --> 00:24:23,660

of it was we had to dress up.

611

24:23 ,869 --> 00:24:26,929

Um, you know, we had to, we had to

wear somewhat fancy, like kind of

612

24:26 ,970 --> 00:24:28,529

nice dressy clothes on the plane.

613

24:28 ,529 --> 00:24:29,354

So I always grew up.

614

24:29 ,485 --> 00:24:30,875

No dressing up to go on airplanes.

615

24:30 ,875 --> 00:24:32,955

So it took me a while as an adult too.

616

24:32 ,955 --> 00:24:36,475

And it's funny, I think the older

generation, like my parents generation,

617

24:36 ,485 --> 00:24:39,195

they always talk about how, you know,

when you used to go on an airplane,

618

24:39 ,195 --> 00:24:42,715

it was, it was a little bit more of a

formal affair, you know, versus now we're

619

24:42 ,715 --> 00:24:44,615

getting on in sweat pants and whatever.

620

24:44 ,925 --> 00:24:46,825

Um, but yeah, I always remember that.

621

24:46 ,825 --> 00:24:49,815

And it was always like, what a seat, you

know, what a seat open up because it was,

622

24:49 ,825 --> 00:24:54,575

you know, we weren't guaranteed a seat

if you were flying non rev. And so, you

623

24:54 ,575 --> 00:24:57,355

know, it was going to the airport and

this was the, you know, the time when you

624

24:57 ,355 --> 00:25:00,225

could go past security, even if you didn't

necessarily have a seat on the plane.

625

25:00 ,275 --> 00:25:03,394

And so, uh, yeah, you would go and

wait and see, okay, yep, we got

626

25:03 ,404 --> 00:25:05,235

two seats open and, uh, here we go.

627

25:05 ,235 --> 00:25:07,835

Me and my, me and my brother would

hop on the plane and I actually got

628

25:07 ,835 --> 00:25:10,875

to experience my being on a plane

that my dad was flying a couple of

629

25:10 ,875 --> 00:25:12,445

times, which was, well, that's cool.

630

25:12 ,455 --> 00:25:13,005

Very cool.

631

25:13 ,035 --> 00:25:13,525

Yeah.

632

25:13 ,705 --> 00:25:13,955

So

633

25:13 ,955 --> 00:25:15,865

Marc Preston: you, you said your

brother is, you have a, just one

634

25:15 ,865 --> 00:25:19,515

Steven Krueger: brother or one sibling

or one younger brother, uh, just, just

635

25:19 ,515 --> 00:25:20,495

a year and a half younger than me.

636

25:20 ,495 --> 00:25:23,395

So we're, we're pretty close in age,

but, uh, yeah, the whole family really

637

25:23 ,395 --> 00:25:24,695

is still, is still down in Florida.

638

25:24 ,695 --> 00:25:27,395

So the other nice part about being in

Nashville is I get to go see them a

639

25:27 ,395 --> 00:25:28,715

little bit more than, uh, yeah, because

640

25:28 ,725 --> 00:25:30,634

Marc Preston: yeah, your

proximity, you can shoot down

641

25:30 ,635 --> 00:25:33,245

there pretty quick as opposed to,

you know, crossing the country.

642

25:33 ,725 --> 00:25:34,025

Yep.

643

25:34 ,195 --> 00:25:35,065

Southwest airlines.

644

25:35 ,065 --> 00:25:35,715

There you go.

645

25:36 ,080 --> 00:25:39,750

Yeah, that's, you know, that was, uh,

yeah, they're changing things up, man.

646

25:39 ,750 --> 00:25:42,400

There was a guy named Herb Keller

who used to, you know, started it.

647

25:42 ,470 --> 00:25:42,870

We're in it.

648

25:42 ,870 --> 00:25:44,330

Steven Krueger: Founder

of Southwest Airlines.

649

25:44 ,390 --> 00:25:44,740

Marc Preston: Yeah.

650

25:44 ,740 --> 00:25:45,800

He had the great idea.

651

25:45 ,800 --> 00:25:48,490

You know, you don't have assigned seats

now they're going to assign seats and

652

25:48 ,490 --> 00:25:52,479

all the special recipe that I think made

Southwest really cool back in the day.

653

25:52 ,479 --> 00:25:54,159

They've been moving away

from that for a while.

654

25:54 ,705 --> 00:25:57,215

You know, I mean, living in Texas,

it's sort of like our little

655

25:57 ,235 --> 00:26:00,465

commuter airline, you know, we

can get always took Southwest.

656

26:00 ,465 --> 00:26:02,515

Now I don't always take

Southwest anymore when I fly.

657

26:02 ,515 --> 00:26:05,355

Now, you know, I had kids, I did

more road trips than anything.

658

26:05 ,815 --> 00:26:08,204

So going back when you're in

LA, you're doing your thing

659

26:08 ,205 --> 00:26:09,685

and you're, you're auditioning.

660

26:10 Early Career Milestones

26:10 ,065 --> 00:26:12,594

What, what, what kind of was like

the first thing that you could

661

26:12 ,594 --> 00:26:15,405

remember that you did, uh, that

was kind of the big kickoff.

662

26:15 ,425 --> 00:26:17,025

Like, you're like, okay, I'm in it now.

663

26:17 ,075 --> 00:26:19,415

Now, I'm now I've now at the level.

664

26:19 ,425 --> 00:26:20,405

Now I'm doing the thing.

665

26:20 ,455 --> 00:26:21,444

What was, yeah.

666

26:21 ,520 --> 00:26:22,190

Yeah.

667

26:22 ,190 --> 00:26:23,529

I mean,

668

26:23 ,529 --> 00:26:25,260

Steven Krueger: I remember them all.

669

26:25 ,270 --> 00:26:26,070

That's, that's for sure.

670

26:26 ,070 --> 00:26:28,790

I think that's one thing that, um,

at least, at least for me anyway.

671

26:28 ,790 --> 00:26:31,570

I mean, I, I remember every

single job that I had because each

672

26:31 ,570 --> 00:26:33,109

one of them was, was impactful.

673

26:33 ,109 --> 00:26:35,540

And, and each, I think every time,

you know, when I was younger that

674

26:35 ,540 --> 00:26:37,169

I got a job, it was like, really?

675

26:37 ,350 --> 00:26:38,990

Me like, okay, great.

676

26:38 ,990 --> 00:26:43,970

Um, I don't know if that's a common

experience, but I just, I don't know.

677

26:43 ,970 --> 00:26:46,720

I just, I would get the call

and I was like, Oh, great.

678

26:46 ,810 --> 00:26:47,690

Okay, cool.

679

26:47 ,700 --> 00:26:48,640

Let's see what happens now.

680

26:48 ,920 --> 00:26:52,649

Um, I think I remember, I remember

there were, again, there were

681

26:52 ,650 --> 00:26:53,829

a couple inflection points.

682

26:53 ,840 --> 00:26:56,669

One, one was, um, that

show pretty little liars.

683

26:56 ,860 --> 00:27:01,509

Uh, back in the day, um, when that came

out, I, I had a, uh, just a few episode

684

27:01 ,519 --> 00:27:03,149

arc at the very beginning of the show.

685

27:03 ,469 --> 00:27:06,929

Um, and I think because of the

nature, because of the fact that it

686

27:06 ,929 --> 00:27:10,039

was the very beginning of the show,

like the, the first episode through

687

27:10 ,039 --> 00:27:14,949

like the third episode or something,

um, I got kind of like swept up in.

688

27:15 ,120 --> 00:27:18,210

All of the hype that came along with

that because it was a popular book series

689

27:18 ,210 --> 00:27:20,220

and I didn't know what it was, honestly.

690

27:20 ,290 --> 00:27:23,399

Um, and then once I was there, it was kind

of like, Oh, okay, this is a big deal.

691

27:23 ,400 --> 00:27:25,089

And of course, those, you

know, those people all went on

692

27:25 ,089 --> 00:27:27,050

to be incredibly successful.

693

27:27 ,110 --> 00:27:29,989

Um, and that show did, did really well,

but that was, that was a big inflection

694

27:29 ,990 --> 00:27:30,999

point where I was like, Oh, okay.

695

27:30 ,999 --> 00:27:32,419

I'm like, I'm like part of something now.

696

27:33 ,080 --> 00:27:34,310

It's like a little bit of a bigger role.

697

27:34 ,330 --> 00:27:34,909

And this is cool.

698

27:34 ,929 --> 00:27:39,300

And then, and then once I got into that CW

world, honestly, um, I kind of moved into

699

27:39 ,300 --> 00:27:43,149

that CW world and, uh, and got a job on

the originals, which was a spinoff of that

700

27:43 ,149 --> 00:27:44,699

very popular show, the vampire diaries.

701

27:45 ,199 --> 00:27:46,879

And oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

702

27:47 ,059 --> 00:27:47,619

Yeah.

703

27:47 ,620 --> 00:27:50,829

And I, I ended up being there for, I was

supposed to be there for like three or

704

27:50 ,829 --> 00:27:54,989

four episodes for the, the role that I had

booked and it ended up being five seasons.

705

27:55 ,429 --> 00:27:59,649

Um, and you know, that was, that was

kind of the first time that I really

706

27:59 ,649 --> 00:28:03,010

started to work regularly in the industry

and, and started to be able to support

707

28:03 ,010 --> 00:28:04,520

myself with, with nothing but acting.

708

28:04 ,520 --> 00:28:08,109

And, um, that was when I felt like,

okay, I think I can, I think I can really

709

28:08 ,199 --> 00:28:09,809

do this for, you know, for a living.

710

28:09 ,810 --> 00:28:13,469

I think I can make enough money to do

this as a career and support myself and

711

28:13 ,479 --> 00:28:14,949

have a family and all that kind of stuff.

712

28:14 ,949 --> 00:28:17,449

And then from there, it's just

like, okay, well, what, what, what

713

28:17 ,449 --> 00:28:18,520

level are we going to end up at?

714

28:18 ,889 --> 00:28:19,459

Um.

715

28:19 ,925 --> 00:28:23,065

And, you know, ideally you

just kind of like, keep, keep

716

28:23 ,065 --> 00:28:24,245

gradually going up the ladder.

717

28:24 ,345 --> 00:28:25,915

Um, as much as you can.

718

28:25 ,915 --> 00:28:26,605

Well, that's gotta be a good

719

28:26 ,605 --> 00:28:27,155

Marc Preston: feeling though.

720

28:27 ,155 --> 00:28:30,435

Like that first time you're like, I'm

paying a bill doing this thing, which is

721

28:30 ,465 --> 00:28:32,755

kind of a cool, you know, kind of cool.

722

28:32 ,755 --> 00:28:33,295

I remember.

723

28:33 ,295 --> 00:28:34,035

Yeah.

724

28:34 Quitting the Side Job

28:34 ,175 --> 00:28:34,535

Steven Krueger: Yeah.

725

28:34 ,535 --> 00:28:37,765

I remember, I remember like, like

quitting my side job essentially.

726

28:37 ,775 --> 00:28:42,005

Cause I, I, I, um, and rather than

waiting tables or, or, or bartending

727

28:42 ,005 --> 00:28:45,195

or anything like that, I ended up

getting a job teaching, um, the LSAT.

728

28:45 ,210 --> 00:28:48,040

For people that wanted to go to law

school because I had taken it and, um,

729

28:48 ,070 --> 00:28:50,330

and I still, I worked for a test prep

company and that way I could kind of

730

28:50 ,330 --> 00:28:51,770

like set my own hours a little bit.

731

28:52 ,180 --> 00:28:52,440

Marc Preston (2): Um,

732

28:52 ,690 --> 00:28:54,120

Steven Krueger: you know, I could

kind of work when I wanted to.

733

28:54 ,120 --> 00:28:57,280

And so that was actually really

conducive to being able to audition

734

28:57 ,280 --> 00:28:59,500

and study and go to class and all

that stuff when I was starting out.

735

28:59 ,500 --> 00:29:01,170

And I remember when I quit that

job and I was like, I don't

736

29:01 ,170 --> 00:29:02,430

think I have to do this anymore.

737

29:02 ,540 --> 00:29:05,540

Um, and of course you're always

like, eh, am I going to, am I going

738

29:05 ,540 --> 00:29:06,690

to have to go back at some point?

739

29:06 ,690 --> 00:29:08,500

But, um, luckily here we are.

740

29:08 ,730 --> 00:29:10,400

I have not had to go back to a side job.

741

29:10 ,400 --> 00:29:12,270

So that's, that's encouraging.

742

29:12 ,270 --> 00:29:12,870

I suppose.

743

29:12 ,960 --> 00:29:15,160

Marc Preston: Cause I'm going to

ask you what your side job was, you

744

29:15 ,160 --> 00:29:17,960

know, you're not getting that kind

of fatigue that you get, like being

745

29:17 ,960 --> 00:29:21,270

on your feet, waiting tables, having,

you know, to, yeah, well, it's crazy.

746

29:21 ,600 --> 00:29:21,810

Look,

747

29:21 ,840 --> 00:29:24,460

Steven Krueger: I mean, I have all the

respect in the world for, I mean, look, so

748

29:24 ,460 --> 00:29:27,310

many people in the entertainment industry

start off in the service industry, right?

749

29:27 ,330 --> 00:29:27,930

They, well, yeah.

750

29:28 ,225 --> 00:29:31,685

Tables, they're bartending, they're

doing whatever, um, part of the, part of

751

29:31 ,685 --> 00:29:34,815

the problem, part of why that's so hard

is like, that's, that's a hard life.

752

29:34 ,815 --> 00:29:38,355

I mean, people, people bartend and

wait tables as a full career because

753

29:38 ,355 --> 00:29:41,205

you're, you know, you're working

almost every night of the week and

754

29:41 ,205 --> 00:29:44,465

you're working from whatever it

is, 5 p. m. Until God knows when,

755

29:44 ,465 --> 00:29:45,855

sometimes two or three in the morning.

756

29:46 ,195 --> 00:29:49,745

Um, And I just remember, I mean, a lot

of times, at least back in the day,

757

29:50 ,145 --> 00:29:53,345

you would get an audition at like,

you know, 6pm at night and it's like,

758

29:53 ,345 --> 00:29:54,585

Hey, they want you there tomorrow.

759

29:54 ,805 --> 00:29:57,795

So, you know, if you were at a job, it's

like, when are you actually going to get

760

29:57 ,795 --> 00:29:59,595

to work on this audition before you go in?

761

29:59 ,595 --> 00:30:03,025

So it was nice to, it was nice

to have something, um, that,

762

30:03 ,035 --> 00:30:03,855

you know, I could do that.

763

30:03 ,855 --> 00:30:06,605

I kind of set my own hours and

just work around and it just, it

764

30:06 ,605 --> 00:30:07,635

just fit in like a puzzle piece.

765

30:07 ,950 --> 00:30:10,530

Marc Preston: By the way, going back, you

said the, uh, uh, pretty little liars.

766

30:10 ,530 --> 00:30:12,930

I can't, I've spoken to somebody who

was on the show and it's going to

767

30:13 ,150 --> 00:30:16,560

drive me nuts the rest of the day,

but it did have a pretty eclectic,

768

30:16 ,800 --> 00:30:20,170

you know, cast and the folks that

went off to do really cool stuff.

769

30:20 ,170 --> 00:30:23,030

So I'm talking about film

and doing the TV thing.

770

30:23 ,040 --> 00:30:23,960

Do you have a preference?

771

30:23 ,980 --> 00:30:29,340

I mean, as far as workflow and kind of how

you like to, um, what works best for you,

772

30:29 ,350 --> 00:30:32,720

do you have a preference at all, or is it

just kind of whatever work comes your way?

773

30:33 ,030 --> 00:30:35,760

Steven Krueger: I feel like I've done,

I've obviously done more television

774

30:35 ,760 --> 00:30:40,060

in my career, and so I think I've just

gotten used to it, um, and, you know,

775

30:40 ,300 --> 00:30:43,920

there's a lot of stuff that I love about

television, um, and I, I think that's

776

30:43 ,930 --> 00:30:46,550

probably my preference at this point,

especially now that we're in this age of

777

30:46 ,550 --> 00:30:49,910

television that like, you know, every,

every season of a television show is

778

30:49 ,910 --> 00:30:53,150

basically just like, you know, it's like

eight or ten different movies, you know,

779

30:53 ,150 --> 00:30:54,440

it's like a series of movies in one.

780

30:54 ,440 --> 00:30:55,350

I mean, the, yeah.

781

30:55 ,490 --> 00:30:58,020

The production quality on television

shows these days and the stories

782

30:58 ,020 --> 00:30:59,370

that they're telling via television.

783

30:59 ,370 --> 00:31:00,840

It's just incredible.

784

31:00 ,930 --> 00:31:04,050

Um, so yeah, I love the rhythm of of TV.

785

31:04 ,050 --> 00:31:07,730

I love I love the idea that we can go and

shoot a season for five or six months.

786

31:07 ,770 --> 00:31:12,050

Um, and then we get some time to go work

on other things, which could be a film.

787

31:12 ,500 --> 00:31:13,210

Well, seasons

788

31:13 ,210 --> 00:31:14,920

Marc Preston: are so much shorter now.

789

31:14 ,920 --> 00:31:16,320

I mean, I just watched

something the other day.

790

31:16 ,320 --> 00:31:18,840

It was the, uh, on Netflix.

791

31:18 ,840 --> 00:31:22,070

It was, uh, the, uh, I think the

recruit, I think, so it's called.

792

31:22 ,080 --> 00:31:23,680

And I just watched the

season just roll it.

793

31:23 ,900 --> 00:31:25,240

I think they only had six episodes.

794

31:25 ,240 --> 00:31:25,690

Nothing to get me.

795

31:25 ,690 --> 00:31:29,470

There's nothing wrong with that, but it's

just like, you know, growing up, I'm going

796

31:29 ,470 --> 00:31:30,140

Steven Krueger: to go the other way.

797

31:30 ,140 --> 00:31:31,190

There is something wrong with that.

798

31:31 The Impact of Short TV Seasons

31:31 ,190 --> 00:31:31,650

I hate it.

799

31:31 ,885 --> 00:31:32,555

I hate it.

800

31:32 ,815 --> 00:31:33,475

Oh my God.

801

31:33 ,535 --> 00:31:34,245

I can't stand it.

802

31:34 ,275 --> 00:31:35,685

Six episodes of a TV show.

803

31:35 ,685 --> 00:31:39,115

And then we don't get to see it again for

what a year, a year and a half, two years,

804

31:39 ,385 --> 00:31:41,405

Marc Preston: I'm going to, I'm going

to agree with you, you know, some,

805

31:41 ,415 --> 00:31:44,615

some things maybe can be told at a

shorter span, but I'm kind of like,

806

31:44 ,625 --> 00:31:47,235

I want something I can kind of take

a bite out of and, you know, stick,

807

31:47 ,235 --> 00:31:48,755

stick with for a while, you know.

808

31:48 ,840 --> 00:31:49,660

What's the average now?

809

31:49 ,710 --> 00:31:52,950

10 to like 13 episodes roughly

is kind of the average.

810

31:52 ,950 --> 00:31:54,190

It seems like it seems like

811

31:54 ,510 --> 00:31:56,280

Steven Krueger: things are

averaging out to kind of 10 or 12.

812

31:56 ,310 --> 00:31:59,760

I really think, I mean, look, I think

that there's a, there's a place for both.

813

31:59 ,800 --> 00:32:04,360

Um, you know, there, there's obviously

still a place for the kind of long running

814

32:04 ,370 --> 00:32:08,900

serialized show, like your NCIS is and

your CSIs and all that kind of stuff that

815

32:08 ,900 --> 00:32:14,070

are still doing 22, 24 episodes a season,

um, that run the traditional, you know,

816

32:14 ,250 --> 00:32:15,660

television year, essentially, right?

817

32:15 ,660 --> 00:32:16,790

Like start in September.

818

32:17 ,240 --> 00:32:20,130

Take the summer off and

then come back in the fall.

819

32:20 ,410 --> 00:32:25,670

Um, I hope that never goes away truly

because just as somebody who's been in

820

32:25 ,670 --> 00:32:30,920

the industry for a long time, seeing,

seeing how many lives those types of

821

32:30 ,920 --> 00:32:34,500

shows support, you know, um, how many

jobs are created from those types of

822

32:34 ,500 --> 00:32:36,730

shows, um, that that's incredible.

823

32:36 ,730 --> 00:32:39,470

And I, and I, I kind of hope that we.

824

32:39 ,750 --> 00:32:43,110

At least maintain the level that we're

at with, with those types of like 20

825

32:43 ,120 --> 00:32:46,620

plus episode of season shows, maybe

even we get back to that a little bit.

826

32:46 ,920 --> 00:32:50,590

Um, and then we find a nice balance, you

know, like, I think it would be nice if

827

32:50 ,590 --> 00:32:53,960

the, if the standard, even for these kind

of like premium quote unquote, you know,

828

32:53 ,960 --> 00:32:59,280

streaming shows is, is somewhere more in

like the 14 to 16 episode range, you know,

829

32:59 ,280 --> 00:33:01,800

Marc Preston: I'm going to agree with

you on that, but I look at people

830

33:01 ,800 --> 00:33:07,025

like, um, Pretty much everything that,

uh, Taylor Sheridan is putting out.

831

33:07 ,075 --> 00:33:11,515

I always watching, uh, like the

land man, you know, or land man.

832

33:11 ,595 --> 00:33:13,145

Uh, and yeah, I just, I just

833

33:13 ,145 --> 00:33:13,645

Steven Krueger: started that.

834

33:13 ,645 --> 00:33:13,765

Yeah.

835

33:13 ,765 --> 00:33:16,115

I watched, I think I watched the

first half of the first episode.

836

33:16 ,225 --> 00:33:17,405

Marc Preston: I will say

it was kind of funny.

837

33:17 ,405 --> 00:33:19,845

His relationship with his daughter

that kind of got fleshed out

838

33:19 ,845 --> 00:33:21,625

in the first one or the first.

839

33:21 ,625 --> 00:33:22,174

And.

840

33:22 ,665 --> 00:33:24,875

Second episode, I think

it's just hilarious.

841

33:24 ,875 --> 00:33:27,915

If you've got a teenage daughter,

uh, you know, or maybe for you, you

842

33:27 ,915 --> 00:33:29,095

know, you can look forward to that.

843

33:29 ,715 --> 00:33:33,245

But it is, um, you know, you look at

that guy, he's like the only writer.

844

33:33 ,295 --> 00:33:37,295

I'm like, how does this guy write multiple

shows, multiple episodes, multiple shows?

845

33:37 ,295 --> 00:33:39,695

The, I'm kind of forgive that

guy for not cranking out a

846

33:39 ,695 --> 00:33:41,495

ton of shows, but, uh, sure.

847

33:41 ,535 --> 00:33:41,925

Steven Krueger: Yeah.

848

33:41 ,945 --> 00:33:43,825

Marc Preston: But the thing is,

it's like, yeah, you're right.

849

33:43 ,835 --> 00:33:47,405

Like the 14, you know, moving in

that direction would, and I kind

850

33:47 ,405 --> 00:33:49,015

of like where you can't binge it.

851

33:49 ,045 --> 00:33:50,405

I don't like it, but I do like it.

852

33:50 ,405 --> 00:33:51,519

Cause it kind of make, you know, yeah.

853

33:51 ,520 --> 00:33:52,740

That's that anticipation.

854

33:52 ,750 --> 00:33:55,030

Like when we're, you know, I'm a little

older than you, but I'm being a kid,

855

33:55 ,040 --> 00:33:56,249

you know, you had to look forward to it.

856

33:56 ,250 --> 00:33:58,300

It comes out this time on this day.

857

33:58 ,740 --> 00:34:00,020

Uh, you can't pause it.

858

34:00 ,020 --> 00:34:03,470

You got the, you know, restroom breaks

or during commercials, you know, you got,

859

34:03 ,590 --> 00:34:05,570

it's a, it's event television, you know,

860

34:06 ,270 --> 00:34:06,940

Steven Krueger: I, I miss that.

861

34:06 ,980 --> 00:34:07,830

I miss that era.

862

34:07 ,850 --> 00:34:08,460

I really do.

863

34:08 ,460 --> 00:34:10,050

I mean, that's, that's

kind of what I grew up on.

864

34:10 ,060 --> 00:34:14,940

And I think in a weird way, I

almost can kind of feel people

865

34:14 ,950 --> 00:34:16,280

starting to clamor for that.

866

34:16 ,445 --> 00:34:21,735

Again, um, just because, you know, like

I said, you, these shows that they're

867

34:21 ,735 --> 00:34:24,345

making now, they're incredible, you know?

868

34:24 ,345 --> 00:34:27,455

And I think that, I think that we're

lucky to have this level of entertainment

869

34:27 ,455 --> 00:34:28,715

when it comes to the TV world.

870

34:29 ,035 --> 00:34:32,605

Um, but the idea of watching, you

know, 10 episodes and then having to

871

34:32 ,605 --> 00:34:37,834

wait multiple years to see the next 10

episodes to me, I mean, that's crazy.

872

34:37 ,945 --> 00:34:40,915

And so I think if we, you know, and, and

there's always going to be shows that

873

34:40 ,915 --> 00:34:45,175

kind of fall into, into that, you know,

category, um, which is great, but I think

874

34:45 ,175 --> 00:34:49,425

if we can, if we can find a way to kind of

get to that middle ground, the other thing

875

34:49 ,425 --> 00:34:54,055

is it just, just from like a practical

economic standpoint, the, the, the.

876

34:54 ,850 --> 00:34:58,360

The careers that people are able to

have were so much more robust back then,

877

34:58 ,370 --> 00:35:01,370

you know, especially when it comes to

people like, you know, crew people, post

878

35:01 ,370 --> 00:35:06,820

production people working on 10 episodes

for, you know, once every two years or so

879

35:06 ,870 --> 00:35:08,560

it's really not enough to sustain them.

880

35:08 ,560 --> 00:35:12,350

And so, uh, I was actually working

with some of the post production people

881

35:12 ,350 --> 00:35:14,589

of, of my show yellow jackets and.

882

35:14 ,590 --> 00:35:17,870

They're finishing up, you know, post

production on, on this season of the show.

883

35:17 ,900 --> 00:35:22,860

And they're all like scrambling

now to try to go find other jobs,

884

35:22 ,860 --> 00:35:25,850

other gigs before, you know, we

start shooting the next season.

885

35:25 ,870 --> 00:35:29,930

And so it's a really tough way for, for

kind of below the line, uh, you know,

886

35:29 ,930 --> 00:35:33,080

artists in this industry to, to live

and to, and to piece a career together.

887

35:33 ,080 --> 00:35:37,150

And even for, even for actors, you know,

and, and directors who are generally,

888

35:37 ,180 --> 00:35:38,510

you know, paid a little bit more.

889

35:38 ,860 --> 00:35:42,750

Um, what ends up happening is you get

in between seasons of television shows.

890

35:43 ,080 --> 00:35:46,000

And other television shows don't

really want to hire you, you know,

891

35:46 ,000 --> 00:35:49,010

they don't want to take the risk of,

of, you know, your, your show that

892

35:49 ,010 --> 00:35:51,730

you're kind of obligated to calling

you back and saying, Oh, okay, great.

893

35:51 ,730 --> 00:35:52,470

We're going to start shooting.

894

35:52 ,470 --> 00:35:53,620

And then they lose you all of a sudden.

895

35:53 ,620 --> 00:35:57,450

So even though in theory, you know, you've

got some time off in between seasons.

896

35:58 ,020 --> 00:36:00,110

Oftentimes it can be tough

to like get on another show.

897

36:00 ,110 --> 00:36:02,634

A lot of times you go

do movies, you go do.

898

36:02 ,715 --> 00:36:04,095

Plays, you know, things like that.

899

36:04 ,275 --> 00:36:07,865

So it's, it's just like a little bit more

of a bumpy ride when it comes to a career.

900

36:07 ,865 --> 00:36:10,495

And I think that's why a lot of people

in the entertainment industry in general

901

36:10 ,505 --> 00:36:11,965

have been struggling the past few years.

902

36:12 ,165 --> 00:36:15,215

Um, among other things, of course,

with strikes and pandemics and all of

903

36:15 ,215 --> 00:36:16,905

that, but this model that we're in now.

904

36:17 ,645 --> 00:36:18,108

Marc Preston: Yeah, that's a good point.

905

36:18 ,108 --> 00:36:20,635

Would you like, it used to be on a

more traditional shooting schedule.

906

36:20 ,635 --> 00:36:24,945

You'd have your TV season, then your

favorite TV folk would go and do a movie

907

36:25 ,045 --> 00:36:26,795

or maybe two when I, you know, right.

908

36:26 ,835 --> 00:36:30,155

And then they'd come back and, you

know, the really, there's not really

909

36:30 ,155 --> 00:36:35,005

a, Uh, uh, a pilot season, the way

there used to be, everything seems to

910

36:35 ,015 --> 00:36:38,505

be more year round in some way, you

know, plus also somebody was explaining

911

36:38 ,505 --> 00:36:40,325

to me, let's come back a year or two.

912

36:40 ,325 --> 00:36:43,935

I had a guest on who was, who

I was chatting with a disc that

913

36:43 ,965 --> 00:36:46,415

they brought up the issue of

sometimes you're on something,

914

36:46 ,415 --> 00:36:47,755

they're kind of got you on hold.

915

36:47 ,755 --> 00:36:48,985

So they may or may not.

916

36:48 ,985 --> 00:36:51,197

And you know, you're kind of

playing chess trying to figure out,

917

36:51 ,197 --> 00:36:52,825

well, I want to work, you know?

918

36:53 Landing the Role in Yellowjackets

36:53 ,285 --> 00:36:56,005

As far as Yellowjackets, how

did that come along to you?

919

36:56 ,015 --> 00:36:59,225

Was that something that, uh, just one

of those things you auditioned for?

920

36:59 ,225 --> 00:37:01,485

Did somebody reach out and

say, Hey, we want you to, you

921

37:01 ,485 --> 00:37:02,405

know, read for this thing.

922

37:02 ,465 --> 00:37:02,895

Steven Krueger: Both.

923

37:02 ,895 --> 00:37:03,285

Yeah.

924

37:03 ,285 --> 00:37:03,555

Yeah.

925

37:03 ,555 --> 00:37:06,155

It was, it was an audition that came

through, but luckily it came through, um,

926

37:06 ,165 --> 00:37:09,935

from the, the creators of Yellowjackets,

uh, Ashley Lyle and Bart Nickerson.

927

37:09 ,975 --> 00:37:14,425

Um, they are two writers that I had worked

with previously on, uh, on the originals.

928

37:14 ,585 --> 00:37:16,105

Um, and I became.

929

37:16 ,565 --> 00:37:19,185

Good friends with them through

the course of that experience,

930

37:19 ,215 --> 00:37:20,845

um, worked really well with them.

931

37:20 ,845 --> 00:37:22,145

I loved the way that they wrote.

932

37:22 ,465 --> 00:37:26,905

Um, I was actually, I just had

said dinner with Ashley a couple

933

37:26 ,905 --> 00:37:27,685

weeks ago when I was in L.

934

37:27 ,685 --> 00:37:32,685

A. And, um, reminiscing about how

mad I was when they left that show.

935

37:32 ,745 --> 00:37:37,305

Um, uh, they're, they're a couple

and they basically were two writers,

936

37:37 ,335 --> 00:37:38,795

um, kind of taking one writer slot.

937

37:38 ,795 --> 00:37:41,355

And so they left after the

third season of the originals.

938

37:41 ,355 --> 00:37:45,585

And I was just, I remember just being

like, Pissed, um, because I love

939

37:45 ,585 --> 00:37:48,285

the way that they wrote and they

always wrote really well for, for me

940

37:48 ,285 --> 00:37:49,595

specifically and for my character.

941

37:49 ,595 --> 00:37:52,575

And I thought, Oh man, well, if

they're gone, you know, is anybody

942

37:52 ,575 --> 00:37:55,305

going to write as, as good as

stuff for me as, as they did?

943

37:55 ,365 --> 00:37:59,145

Um, and I just, I remember them

specifically saying like, you know, we

944

37:59 ,145 --> 00:38:01,105

will, we will see you again at some point.

945

38:01 ,105 --> 00:38:04,875

And so when this, when this script kind

of found its way into my inbox and I,

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and I read it, I thought, Oh man, this

is not only was it one of the best

947

38:07 ,805 --> 00:38:09,555

pilot scripts I had truly ever read.

948

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Um, I was like, it's,

it's Ashley and Bart.

949

38:11 ,470 --> 00:38:14,640

And, you know, I couldn't imagine

anything better than going to work

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on a show like this with people that

I, that I really respect and, and

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admire and, and, uh, get along with.

952

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Marc Preston: Yeah.

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Especially when you've got a show

like, uh, you know, you run on the

954

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originals, you know, long time.

955

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It, I imagine, you know, uh, they like

to say movies are directors medium, but,

956

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uh, you know, TV is more of a writer's

medium, you know, cause you cycle in

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different directors for, for the show.

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So you kind of really get married

to this character and you really

959

38:38 ,680 --> 00:38:41,490

know, you know, You know, your

character may be in a way better than

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even the director does, you know,

961

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Steven Krueger: oftentimes you do.

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Yeah.

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Marc Preston: Yellow jackets.

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Uh, that's something that, you

know, it's kind of like we were

965

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discussing like the other show is

it's got a pretty deep cast in it.

966

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You know, you got, you have to pardon me.

967

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I've only seen a little bit of one of them

and that's, uh, this is my, like, That's

968

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the, it's been on my list long enough.

969

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I'm like, yeah, I'm going

to go full bore into this.

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But you have the younger, if I'm not

mistaken, you have younger and older

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versions of my kind of the same character.

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I was curious by the way,

where, where do they shoot this?

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39:10 Yellowjackets: Plot and Production

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Uh, uh,

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Steven Krueger: we shoot in

Vancouver up in, up in Canada.

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Marc Preston: People haven't seen it yet.

976

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Kind of, where do you factor

into the overall story arc?

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Steven Krueger: Yeah, it's a, it's, it's

a show basically about a high school

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girls soccer team, um, that ends up

crashing, uh, they're playing crashes in

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the, in the mountains, um, uh, somewhere

in Canada and they are kind of stranded

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out there for about a year and a half.

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Um, so it kind of becomes, well, it's,

it's, it's like a little bit of a

982

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mashup of lost and Lord of the Flies.

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Um, you've got these teenage high

school girls that, um, are highly

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competitive athletes and they, uh, they

are forced to kind of survive in the

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wilderness for about a year and a half.

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And then the story flashes

forward to present day.

987

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So about 25 years later.

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Um, when the few of them that actually

survived are all grown up and still

989

39:56 ,305 --> 00:40:00,235

kind of harboring quite a few secrets

from, uh, from that time out there

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in their wilderness, um, and dealing

with the fallout and the repercussions

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of that, um, I, uh, I exist in the,

uh, the 1990s storyline when they,

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when they were teenagers and they

crashed, I'm their soccer coach.

993

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Um, so it's me and, uh, me and one other,

uh, one other young man in a. Bunch

994

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of girls out there in the wilderness.

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So you can imagine how that goes.

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Marc Preston: Like you look at like, uh,

Juliette Lewis and Melanie, uh, Lynskey.

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And some of the, some

of the older versions.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You look at it like this is a

really great cast, you know?

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Uh, does it operate like more like in

flashbacks kind of like, you know, going

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back and kind of going back and forth.

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Is that kind of the way they kind

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40:40 ,190 --> 00:40:42,870

Steven Krueger: of Except it's

really, it's really 50 50.

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So, so it's hard to, you can't really say

whether like the main story is the present

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day story or whether it's the 1990 story.

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It's it, they, it kind of goes

back and forth between both.

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Um, it's a little bit like, um, it's a

little bit like, uh, was it, this is us.

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Um, where it kind of like flashes

between different timelines, um,

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you know, different, different

eras of the same characters.

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So it's, it's basically that and it kind

of every episode kind of splits 50, 50.

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Um, and you know, you get a, you get a

really good opportunity to see, okay,

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these women as grownups now as, as

adults in their, in their forties, um,

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they got a lot of trauma and they, they.

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Behave in very odd ways sometimes.

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And then you kind of see what happened to

them while they were out in the wilderness

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and you start putting it together,

like, Oh, that's why they're like this.

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So it's, it's really, it's

really unique storytelling.

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Um, the, the concept in and of

itself is incredibly novel, I think.

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And I think that's why it's

drawn a lot of attention.

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I think that's why people really enjoy it.

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It's, it's unlike anything

else that's out there.

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Um, and yeah, I mean, we, we've

had a great time making it.

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I, I think that.

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You know, knock on wood, people

are hopeful that this season

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that's about to come out is, um,

is going to be our best season.

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So we'll see.

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Is this on Paramount plus?

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Cause I thought I saw, I thought I saw a

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Marc Preston: Netflix note on this.

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Steven Krueger: So Netflix, uh,

Netflix, uh, has the first season

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of the show, um, on Netflix.

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So you're able to watch.

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First season on Netflix and then, uh,

season two is on Paramount plus, and

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then season three, which we're about

to jump into also Paramount plus,

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uh, Paramount plus with Showtime.

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It's like the little, the

little Showtime kind of add on.

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Cause we, we initially

started as a Showtime show.

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Um, and then with kind of like all

the validation in the industry.

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Yep.

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Now, now we're under the

Paramount plus umbrella.

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Marc Preston: They, they got a lot of,

like I said, the Taylor Sheridan thing.

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I find myself, you know, watching that

probably more than, uh, some others.

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Just so now you got me, I've got to go

get the Showtime add on to my Paramount

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plus, cause this is a, there's a now

three shows I want to watch that are

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on that and y'all are one of them.

Speaker:1047

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So, yeah, there you go.

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Steven Krueger: Start with

the first season on Netflix.

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It'll give you, give you,

give you a real good taste.

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I bet, I bet your daughter

would like it too.

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Marc Preston: You know, it's,

it's rare that I find a show

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that she'll watch with me.

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42:44 ,295 --> 00:42:45,465

My oldest is 21.

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42:45 ,475 --> 00:42:49,015

She'll, she'll, uh, and my

son, we always find stuff.

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42:49 ,015 --> 00:42:52,585

And my, my, well, my youngest

is, she's in her telephone a lot.

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She's in that thing.

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42:53 ,595 --> 00:42:56,855

She was on the beach with me and

the dog the other day walking and

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42:56 ,855 --> 00:42:59,205

she's looking at her phone like,

okay, I'm gonna have to pipe up here.

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You're on the beach.

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Why are you looking at your phone?

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Let's, you know, enjoy what's around you.

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43:04 ,735 --> 00:43:05,385

Good luck with that.

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Yeah, what is next?

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Do you have something that you got in

the can or something you're working

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on film TV wise, uh, yeah, the

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43:14 Directing and Producing a Short Film

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Steven Krueger: thing that I'm

working on that I, that I've

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kind of been working on since we

wrapped shooting in October, right?

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Yeah.

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We wrapped in October and I immediately

started, um, I, I have, I have had

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grand designs to, uh, to also add

directing, um, to rep to my resume.

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So.

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Um, for the very first time I, uh,

I directed and produced a short

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film, um, that we shot in December.

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So I basically started prepping

and got into pre production as soon

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as we wrapped in October and then,

uh, shot it in December and I'm

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now deep into the post production

process on the, on the short film.

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So, um, that is.

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It has been a harder process

than I ever imagined.

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Um, I did not think it was going

to consume this much of my, my

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bandwidth and my time in general.

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So, um, that is kind of like

my entire life right now.

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And once I, once I finished that,

hopefully by like the end of this month,

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probably by end of February or so, um,

then I can kind of, then I can kind of

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shift my focus back into, uh, back into

acting and, and start looking for, uh,

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for a new job to do in the interim.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, it's funny.

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Every time I talk with a director or

producer, I always say that, yeah, acting

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is its own challenge, its craft, its thing

you do, but it's kind of easy in that you

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show up, you do your thing, you get to go

home, where the director, you marry to it,

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and all through pre production, actually

production, A year, whatever, after edits

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and all, you know, it's like, you're

really married to this for the long haul.

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Whereas actors, I'm not saying

it's easy, but it's not as heavy

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of impact, I guess you would say.

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It's much less time intensive.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Acting

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Steven Krueger: in general

is much less time intensive.

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I mean, yeah, you'll have long days on set

while you're actually shooting, but then,

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you know, you show up when you're ready

to start shooting and you leave when, as

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soon as you're done shooting and everybody

else is like on it from, you know.

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Two months before to

five months afterwards.

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Um, and I will say going through this

process as a director and producer,

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even on this little film, um.

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It has given me, it has been such an eye

opener as far as just what the process

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entails, how much work it is, how much

creativity and artistry goes into,

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especially in the post production process.

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Um, and I've just gotten, it's been

like going to film school, honestly.

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Um, Well, it seems like

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Marc Preston: you really are just

involved in making a ton of decisions.

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That's what it seems like to me.

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It's like, there's so many.

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Choices that need to be made and

you're the one the buck stops with you.

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And that could be kind of like after

a while, it's like, it would seem like

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it would get a little fatiguing after a

while, but you know, it's after, you know,

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music and the, even the way the light

looks and you know, all these different

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little small choices that really kind of

aggregate into this overall experience

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that you're, you know, you know, I

always thought the whole process was

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cool to, you know, like when we're, uh,

there's a show my son likes to watch.

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It's, uh, It's on Netflix.

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It's a series.

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I think the movies that made us or

something like that, they go back into

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like eighties movies, like die hard.

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How did it get made?

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You really look at, you look at

these movies or TV shows that

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how did you almost, how did this

actually ever come together?

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I had so much stacked against it.

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You know, you had, you maybe cycled

through directors and all that.

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And then you finally go, wow,

that's, it's, it's a process.

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And it's amazing when you

see it and how anything ever

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gets done, you know, but, uh,

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Steven Krueger: certainly the lesson

I've taken away from this experience.

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It's like, I, I am, I commend anybody

that gets anything made because I've

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now seen firsthand just how difficult

it is and how challenging it is.

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Um, and, and, you know, you make

an interesting point about the

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decision fatigue and, and just how

many decisions you're kind of at

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the helm of when you're, when you're

directing something or executive

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producing it as well in this case.

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And part of the problem is it's

not just making the decisions, it's

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making decisions about things that you

have no knowledge about whatsoever.

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Um, so, you know, it's also partly about

educating myself, um, when it comes to

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things like music and sound and coloring

and lighting and all this stuff so that

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I'm not just like saying, Oh yeah, I

want that without, you know, actually

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having any idea what I'm talking about.

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So that, that process of kind of

learning at least a minimal, you know,

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baseline level of knowledge when it

comes to all these different things

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that go into the process of filmmaking,

that part is really exhausting.

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Marc Preston: Well, I'm excited to

see the, uh, the release of the short.

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Do you have a name for it yet?

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Are you still kind of

hammering away at that?

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Steven Krueger: I do.

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Yeah, no, the film is

called leaving the light.

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Um, and yeah, TBD on, on exactly, uh,

what we're going to do with it when

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it's, when it's finished, um, I will

imagine, I imagine that we will start

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with festival circuits, um, and, uh,

and start looking at some film festivals

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and then, uh, hopefully going to pass

it around to some people in the industry

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and see if I can, uh, see if I can try

to get another job directing at some

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point that was, that was kind of the

impetus for this in the first place.

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So.

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47:45 The Seven Questions

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Marc Preston: Before we get

running, I've got it with something

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called my seven questions.

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Always kind of wrap up with that.

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Oh, I like it.

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I like to throw it there.

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Uh, first and I always talk food

at least once in every episode.

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It's kind of my thing apparently,

but, uh, the first question I

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always ask is what is your favorite.

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Comfort food, a thing you always

default off to great day, crappy day.

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It just, it lands just right for you.

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Steven Krueger: Uh, pizza, no doubt.

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Um, if, uh, if I need a healthy, a healthy

comfort food, then pizza with vegetables.

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Marc Preston: So if, if you're not

necessarily shooting for healthy,

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you're going for, okay, this is my jam.

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Steven Krueger: Then I go, then I go.

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Then I go pepperoni,

jalapeno, and pineapple pizza.

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Marc Preston: Righteous.

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I'm digging that.

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A little spicy, salty, sweet going on.

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I, I, you know, that's a good,

that's a righteous combo.

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If you haven't tried it, I mean,

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Steven Krueger: get

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Marc Preston: on it.

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Steven Krueger: Trust me.

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It's,

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Marc Preston: it's life changing.

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So pineapple, pepperoni, and jalapeno.

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And I'm a, I'm a Texan, so, you

know, jalapeno's always been kind

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of part of the, part of the plan.

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But, uh, do you like a thin, crispy crust?

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Irregular crust?

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Or are you like a deeper

dish kind of a guy?

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Steven Krueger: I'm certainly

not a deep dish kind of guy.

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Sorry for everybody that's from Chicago.

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Um, but no, I, I, I'm, I'm good with

a thing crust or kind of a regular

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hand tossed crust, New York style.

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Next

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Marc Preston: question I got for you

is if you were to sit down and talk

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story with three people, uh, living

or not, you're going to be spending

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the afternoon having coffee with them.

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Uh, who would three people be?

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You'd like to sit down with

to talk story for a few hours.

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Steven Krueger: Um, I would love

to sit down with Meryl Streep.

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I would love to sit down with

Barack Obama and I would love

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to sit down with Roger Federer.

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Marc Preston: Very cool, very cool.

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Yeah, Barack Obama is one

that pops up, uh, regularly.

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Steven Krueger: Yeah, he's probably

on a lot of people's lists.

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I would like to have, like, people

always ask, oh, you know, dinner, dinner

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with, uh, you and three other people.

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It's like, that would be my,

that would be my dinner table.

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Me and those three people, and I can

imagine it would be very entertaining.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, Roger Federer, you

know, talking to somebody who's like the

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top of their literal game, you know, it's

like, what, you know, what's that like,

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you know, I was, I was a tennis player

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Steven Krueger: growing up.

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So I watched him, watched him growing

up and he was always kind of a hero.

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Marc Preston: He always enjoyed tennis,

not really good at playing it though.

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Uh, you know.

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Now, I remember being a senior in

high school, I was playing with my

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girlfriend who was on the tennis team.

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And, uh, I, I had this little issue

with my knee that kept me from playing

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football, uh, after my first year.

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And then there's nothing like having

your knee go out and falling on a tennis

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court when you're playing with, you

know, you know, it's just, it's not

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the most macho thing, you know, but

I was not, I was not the best at it,

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but I enjoyed playing just for fun.

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Now, if you were to go back in

time, a little memory of who your

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50:15 ,000 --> 00:50:18,720

first celebrity crush was as a

kid, who would, who would that be?

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Steven Krueger: Man, I think I, as

far back as I can remember when I was

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old enough to have crushes, I think

we'd have to go with, uh, with, uh,

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Kelly Kapowski from Saved by the Bell.

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I was a, I was a big Tiffany Robert

Thiessen fan in Saved by the Bell,

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which I think, I think was kind

of my, my generation's thing.

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That show.

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Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep.

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Marc Preston: That was,

uh, God, Zach Morris.

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I'm forgetting the actor's

name and, uh, um, drawn.

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Oh yeah.

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Marc, Marc, Paul Gosselaar.

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Yeah.

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Marc.

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I always remember saved by the bell when

I'm watching him in the current stuff.

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He's doing a little stuff

over the last few years.

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Like there's a show my

daughter liked called.

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50:53 ,600 --> 00:50:58,210

Pitch where he played a catcher for

the Padres or something with a beard.

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I'm like, well, that's Zach Morris, man.

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I know he's, he's having

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Steven Krueger: a, he's having a

great little, uh, later, later in

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life Renaissance, he's, he's been

doing a lot of really cool stuff.

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Uh, now the next

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Marc Preston: question I got for you, if

you're going to be living on an exotic

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island somewhere, you really want to

be, um, it's, you know, it's beautiful.

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You're gonna be there for a year

though, but there's no streaming.

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There's no way to watch or,

you know, TV, music, anything.

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So you're going to bring one DVD for

a movie you can watch over and over

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again and a CD of, uh, of something

you'd listen to over and over again.

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And I do allow box sets.

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So, you know, that's,

that's, that's out there.

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What, what would that

DVD and CD be for you?

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Steven Krueger: Oh, man.

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Okay.

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Um, uh, let's go with, uh, let's, I

think, I think the CD would be maybe just

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like the, the Keith Urban collection.

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Um, you know, kind of, kind of gives

like the full range of country music.

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Um, there's some happy stuff.

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There's some sad stuff.

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There's, you know, that's, that

covers the full emotional spectrum.

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I think, uh, Mr. Fantastic.

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He lives here in Nashville as well.

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I'm still waiting to run into him.

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Um, And then he actually

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Marc Preston: moved, he actually

moved up to Austria, uh,

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from Australia to Nashville.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Steven Krueger: yeah.

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He and Nicole Kidman.

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I mean, I don't know how, you know, I

don't know, I don't know if they're here

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12 months out of the year, but yeah,

they, uh, they are Nashville residents.

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Um, lots of people run into

them from time to time.

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So I'm still waiting for my moment.

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Um, I think the DVD, I think, I think the

movie, look, if you're on an, if you're

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on an Island and you got nothing else to

watch, I think it's gotta be a comedy.

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Um, as much as I love a drama,

but I, I would probably have to

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go with, with wedding crashers.

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Um, that was kind of like my, I was in

college when wedding crashers came out and

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I, it's still, it's still modern enough

that it holds up every time I see it.

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I still laugh.

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Um, but it also just

has a lot of nostalgia.

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I can, I can remember watching that with

my college friends when it first came out.

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So that, that's, that

seems like a good one.

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Vince Vaughn,

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Marc Preston: that guy is just, you know.

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I always wonder how much is, is he really

improv ing and how much is this actually

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dialogue that he, people say riff, go

for it, you know, I'm sure they do now.

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The next question I got for you, if

you're from the time you get up to the

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time you go to sleep, the component

parts for you have a perfect day.

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Those things that, you know, if

all these things happen, it's

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been a rockstar day for me.

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What would that be?

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Steven Krueger: Um, something

set broad categories, um,

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something, something creative.

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So whether I'm working that day on

set, whether I'm, you know, Working

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on the short film, whether I'm writing

something, any, anything where I

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get to, you know, do, do something

that is career related and creative.

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Um, there's gotta be at least a

couple hours worth of that in the day.

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Um, if not more, uh, some

sort of physical exercise.

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Um, I try to try to mix it up, you

know, on a daily basis, but my God, the

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days that the days that I actually find

a way to exercise versus the ones I

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don't, it is reMarcable how much better

I feel just physically psychologically.

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Oh, I mean, yeah.

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So that's gotta be in there.

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Um, and then let's just say that the

third component, there's gotta be one

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really good meal in there as well.

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Um, I think, you know, if we don't

have a good, a good meal, at least

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at some point in the day, then it's

hard to call it a successful day.

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Marc Preston: Well, is there

anything in particular, I get, you

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know, this would be beyond pizza.

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What are you like?

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Okay.

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This kind of, well, pizza,

you know, it's a meal.

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Don't get me wrong, but you're,

you're talking maybe something

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like, you know, you got some good,

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Steven Krueger: like depending on,

you know, the day of the week, if,

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you know, if it's like a good home

cooked meal, if you're, if you're, if

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you're grilling something and you open

a nice bottle of wine and you can sit

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outside and like have friends over

that is, I mean, that is an absolute.

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Um, you know, the weather is nice,

uh, you end up being outside and, and

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hanging out for hours and you, you

finish the night and there's been 10,

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15 people there and you got two cases

of wine that everyone's gone through.

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And I mean, that's, that's, that's

a great, that's a great night.

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Marc Preston: And

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Steven Krueger: the Instagram

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Marc Preston: pictures start

getting more and more creative.

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It's like, we did what last night?

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Okay.

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That's very cool.

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I like that.

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Now, the, the last question, uh, our

next last two questions I got for

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you, if you weren't doing this for

a living, where do you think you'd

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find joy as far as vocation goes?

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If this was not an option for you,

uh, what, what would you be doing?

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Funny enough, I,

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Steven Krueger: um, In the recent

past, I have started to enjoy the

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idea of like home maintenance.

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Um, and it might be because I'm, I'm

living in, uh, essentially a hundred

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year old house for the first time.

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Um, and so there's always stuff to do

and I, and I find it kind of enjoyable

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and I keep reading about, you know,

the, the new millionaires in the U S.

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Are the ones that are plumbers

and electricians and own their

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own companies, because these

are things that everybody needs.

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And I just find it, I kind

of find it fascinating.

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I've been really into just learning

about home maintenance lately and

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like all the different things that

can go wrong and how you can fix

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them and all that kind of stuff.

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So I think I would maybe have some sort of

blue collar thing where I, you know, I got

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a tool belt and, uh, I go over to people's

houses and I fix whatever's, whatever's

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wrong, whatever they need fixing, because.

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Man, I can tell you in our experience

over here, it's like somebody

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comes over and fixes something

and it's like, they are God.

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It's like, thank you for your service.

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I appreciate it.

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I don't know what I would do without you.

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Marc Preston: I think we've

undervalued the trades for a long time.

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And I went to was, uh, you know, really,

you know, it wasn't because of me, but

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it was one of the, you know, it was a

very competitive, very, uh, you know,

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90 plus percent of the kids went off

to college, you know, um, And so, but

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the, the mentality was you got to go to

college, anything kind of less than that,

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that, or anything that deviates from that.

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But if you look at like my daughter's

dating a fellow who's she's, he's

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19 and he's, I think already making

like 45 bucks an hour or something

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doing something incredible.

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Did he did some trade training?

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I'm not totally sure what he does.

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I still haven't met the kid yet.

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So, you know, it's like a

thing too, but I digress.

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Um, but no, it's, but I think the trades

make us, you always need plumbers.

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You always need electricians.

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You always need people to do stuff with

their hands and you come out without any

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debt like college and stuff like that.

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So it's a, it's a, well, the

last question I got for you.

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Uh, if you were to jump into a

DeLorean, you're heading back in time

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a few minutes with 16 year old Steven.

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What's a piece of advice you're going

to offer yourself either to make that

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moment a little bit easier for you or to

put yourself on a trajectory that'd be

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maybe you'd be a little bit different.

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You know, what, what advice

would you offer yourself at 16?

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Steven Krueger: Um, I think, I think

the thing that I would probably

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tell myself is nothing matters

until you're like 30, 35 years old.

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Truly nothing matters.

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And I, and I remember, I mean, in

that, in that same vein that you were

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just talking about where it's like, I

grew up with the expectation that you

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go to college and then you get a job.

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And you know, I, I went to school

with a lot of people who immediately

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after college were taking high level

jobs at, you know, big banking firms

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and consultant firms and making, you

know, a hundred, 200, 000 a year.

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And here I am in LA and, you know,

just trying to like, piece my life

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together and start this career that I

don't even know if I should be doing.

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And I think, I think Americans in

particular have this, this predisposition

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for putting so much pressure on

ourselves at a very young age.

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Um, and then you get a little

bit older and you realize like

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nothing I actually did mattered

all that much in, in my twenties.

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Um, and really kind of even into

your early thirties and like.

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People find their careers and find their

purpose and find their families, you know,

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well into their, into their thirties.

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And so I think it's a matter of exploring.

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Marc Preston: You take your, your teens,

definitely your twenties, your, your

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finding yourself, and I think that makes

you better for whatever work you're

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doing, whatever relationship you're in.

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I agree.

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Water fully formed, you know?

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Steven Krueger: Yeah, I agree.

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Enjoy it.

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Like, enjoy it.

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You know, there's the, the, it's,

it's not the be all end all of

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what, what your life is going to be.

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Um, you know, based on

what you're doing then.

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So explore, grow, enjoy, live your life

and everything's going to be just fine.

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Marc Preston: Yeah.

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You know, it's kind of like in me at my

age, I'm like, kind of like, well, you

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develop this, you know, fuck it attitudes.

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It's like you start realizing

what just doesn't matter.

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And oftentimes opinions of others

fall into that category, you know,

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Well, man, thank you so much for

spending some time with me today.

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I know it's a Friday, so you're

probably looking down the barrel of

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a, uh, of a weekend, but my friend,

uh, best of luck to you, man.

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I really enjoyed, uh, sitting down

and, and, uh, looking forward to

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hopefully catching up down the line.

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All right.

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That sounds great.

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Steven Krueger: Thanks so much, Marc.

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We'll talk to you soon.

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Marc Preston: All right, there you go.

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Steven Krueger.

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Enjoy the opportunity

to sit down with him.

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Uh, enjoy the conversation, the

new season of yellow jackets.

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59:19 ,035 --> 00:59:22,885

Showtime, uh, Paramount plus

with Showtime, check it out.

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59:22 ,915 --> 00:59:25,485

It is out today, February 14th.

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59:25 ,485 --> 00:59:28,945

And by the way, happy

Valentine's day to you.

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59:29 ,015 --> 00:59:34,555

Uh, if you are listening today, uh,

my Valentine, my little, uh, pooch

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here, my 10 month old underneath my

legs as we speak, he is my Valentine.

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59:39 ,285 --> 00:59:43,465

So we'll take a nice, uh, walk

on the beach and, uh, I'm sure,

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uh, some treat will be involved.

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Oh, I said the T word he

that perked his ears up.

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Okay.

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So, Hey, uh, I'm going to get on out of

here, but before I do, I want to remind

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1:00:20 ,370 --> 01:00:23,960

I really do appreciate you making

what I got going on here part

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1:00:23 ,980 --> 01:00:25,870

of whatever you've got going on.

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1:00:26 ,110 --> 01:00:29,410

Uh, going to be back another

great episode in just a few days.

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1:00:29 ,450 --> 01:00:31,970

Uh, looking forward to, uh,

checking back in with you.

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1:00:32 ,120 --> 01:00:35,510

Go have yourself a great weekend

or rest of your evening or

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day, whatever you got going on.

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1:00:37 ,230 --> 01:00:37,920

Have a great one.

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1:00:38 ,080 --> 01:00:40,990

And I'll talk to you next time,

right here on Story Craft.

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1:00:41 ,280 --> 01:00:43,610

Announcer: That's it for

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