Thom Harp | From “The Donor Party” to “Home Delivery” | Embracing the Ridiculous

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WEBVTT00:00.858 --> 00:02.621[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that he's human.00:02.941 --> 00:05.746[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he's probably an android that was create.00:05.766 --> 00:08.229[SPEAKER_03]: He's like the prototype android and he's perfect.00:08.250 --> 00:11.715[SPEAKER_03]: Like, if that's what we get as an android, it's all read, bring him on.00:11.735 --> 00:13.137[SPEAKER_03]: I want more.00:13.157 --> 00:14.800[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Story and Craft.00:15.341 --> 00:17.584[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's your host, Mark Preston.00:17.564 --> 00:18.946[SPEAKER_01]: All right, welcome back.00:18.986 --> 00:20.148[SPEAKER_01]: Good to have you.00:20.228 --> 00:21.089[SPEAKER_01]: Good to see you.00:21.109 --> 00:23.692[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's see you in my mind's eye, as I'm seeing you.00:23.712 --> 00:25.254[SPEAKER_01]: It's good to see you again.00:25.295 --> 00:26.716[SPEAKER_01]: First episode for you, maybe.00:26.737 --> 00:29.180[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, welcome, welcome to Story and Craft.00:29.320 --> 00:31.643[SPEAKER_01]: My name is Mark, and it is a good to have you.00:31.924 --> 00:32.544[SPEAKER_01]: Stop and buy.00:32.885 --> 00:34.087[SPEAKER_01]: We got a great episode today.00:34.147 --> 00:41.957[SPEAKER_01]: Love talking to directors, the producers, writers, the creatives that put things in motion with movies and TV.00:42.538 --> 00:45.462[SPEAKER_01]: And today, sitting down with Tom Harp.00:45.442 --> 00:47.386[SPEAKER_01]: Tom is all three.00:47.446 --> 00:48.528[SPEAKER_01]: He is a director.00:48.568 --> 00:49.549[SPEAKER_01]: He's a producer.00:49.650 --> 00:50.351[SPEAKER_01]: He's a writer.00:50.671 --> 00:53.176[SPEAKER_01]: His latest film is out right now.00:53.476 --> 00:55.039[SPEAKER_01]: It is called Home Delivery.00:55.240 --> 00:56.923[SPEAKER_01]: It is with Rain Wilson.00:57.103 --> 01:01.391[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody he's reconnecting with from a working on some projects previously.01:01.411 --> 01:02.994[SPEAKER_01]: Also Joe Penteleano.01:03.314 --> 01:05.558[SPEAKER_01]: We sat down and talked about previous projects.01:06.199 --> 01:09.846[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like the donor party talked about that recently with.01:09.826 --> 01:33.927[SPEAKER_01]: Rob Cordree who is in that, Tom directed donor party, funny stuff, check it out, just a great conversation always really cool to have, creatives on the show to talk about kind of how the machinery comes together, and real quick, I do have a favorite if you would on your podcast app make sure to follow story and craft that way you get notified every time a new episode comes out, make sure to like, follow01:33.907 --> 01:35.008[SPEAKER_01]: follow the show.01:35.749 --> 01:40.133[SPEAKER_01]: That helps people to find story and craft, which I greatly appreciate.01:40.313 --> 01:44.177[SPEAKER_01]: You can also go to Story and CraftPod.com.01:44.217 --> 01:47.620[SPEAKER_01]: The website everything is there past guest past episodes.01:48.161 --> 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um, and I had the same guitar for forever.02:40.276 --> 02:42.801[SPEAKER_03]: do you ever want to get another guitar?02:42.861 --> 02:44.004[SPEAKER_03]: And there was an auction.02:44.064 --> 02:53.863[SPEAKER_03]: Our kids are, you know, at school in there, and the lead guitarist of the band, the cars put one of his guitars up for auction.02:54.104 --> 02:55.387[SPEAKER_03]: And he loved the cars.02:55.968 --> 03:00.597[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, and even though he's left handed, I was like, I'd love to get03:00.577 --> 03:01.959[SPEAKER_03]: you know, one of those guitars.03:02.760 --> 03:06.845[SPEAKER_03]: And so Jim, Jim, Jim, Alex was left handed also, right?03:07.166 --> 03:07.746[SPEAKER_03]: Also left hand.03:07.867 --> 03:08.307[SPEAKER_03]: I am not.03:09.108 --> 03:10.790[SPEAKER_03]: But I love the cars.03:11.231 --> 03:17.479[SPEAKER_03]: And so for me, it was one of those opportunities to own this amazing piece of history.03:17.499 --> 03:20.844[SPEAKER_03]: And then she said, how much is too much to spend?03:20.864 --> 03:24.769[SPEAKER_03]: And I was going to spend more than like $1,000.03:24.929 --> 03:26.331[SPEAKER_03]: And she's like,03:26.311 --> 03:35.524[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so I shouldn't increase my bid to match the $1,600 bid and I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, please, that's too much for a piece of history.03:35.604 --> 03:51.407[SPEAKER_03]: So, because I'm just not that nostalgic about those things, and so I, but then I said, hey, listen though, I would love to upgrade my guitar and if you'd be willing to let me spend the $1,000 and sadly that turned to this.03:51.387 --> 03:57.973[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I always joke that my midlife crisis is guitars, which is so much safer than any of them.03:57.993 --> 03:58.714[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know anybody.03:58.734 --> 03:59.355[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anybody.03:59.555 --> 04:00.916[SPEAKER_03]: It's a guitar and a crash.04:01.297 --> 04:01.777[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.04:01.797 --> 04:03.018[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to have an affair.04:03.599 --> 04:04.219[SPEAKER_01]: It's just these.04:04.600 --> 04:05.981[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's funny.04:06.081 --> 04:10.225[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anyone who's into guitars that by goes on by his new one.04:10.465 --> 04:12.147[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's a beautiful thing about guitars.04:12.167 --> 04:17.192[SPEAKER_01]: They have a, everyone has a story behind it, you know, especially if you know who it came from, you know, like,04:17.172 --> 04:21.077[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, cars, and I'm a Gen X kid, seventh grade, just what I needed.04:21.158 --> 04:23.421[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that was like that was the jam, though.04:23.441 --> 04:23.541[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.04:24.102 --> 04:30.711[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was a song that came out around junior high that kind of imprinted, you know, is, uh, Bon Jovi, white snake.04:30.911 --> 04:36.379[SPEAKER_01]: Then I, then I, then I, then I, then I, and Tonic attain may have had something to do with the white snake thing, totally different deal, you know, in the, in the video.04:36.359 --> 04:37.581[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm married to a redhead.04:37.841 --> 04:39.683[SPEAKER_01]: There is a direct line.04:39.904 --> 04:54.182[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, years ago when I worked at ABC Radio, I was going to have, we'd never put it together, but she and I became like Twitter, DM friends, and back when I messed with Twitter, and I was like, how cool is that?04:54.202 --> 04:55.944[SPEAKER_01]: And just to, just to cool slatey.04:56.024 --> 04:58.047[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it was, you know,04:58.027 --> 05:07.300[SPEAKER_01]: One of the shows I did kind of focused on that era, you know, and then when she passed it, you know, it was very sad, but I was like, you know, that was the, that was kind of the end of the era.05:07.320 --> 05:23.241[SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of at that age now, where some of the people we grew up watching and listening to and where icons are you know, I mean, this year's in Memoriam at the Oscars is a doozy and for me personally, Catherine O'Hara is just05:23.575 --> 05:24.602[SPEAKER_03]: one of my heroes.05:25.165 --> 05:28.607[SPEAKER_03]: And I was always hoping that I get a chance to work with her.05:28.773 --> 05:41.605[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and to lose her is, you know, I mean, and Diane Keaton, and to say nothing of all of the amazing guys, but I, you know, I really love funny women.05:41.885 --> 05:43.787[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the ladies that had Hutspa.05:44.047 --> 05:58.780[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that was kind of that era of the 80s that there are the even the early 90s when when their films came out like, you know, these ladies could hold their own no matter who they were in the scene with, you know, and back when the humor could be a little bit on the blue side and you know,05:58.760 --> 06:00.021[SPEAKER_01]: You won't go get into it.06:00.041 --> 06:05.447[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I've got Judd Appetals book sitting right there on my coffee table and I love it so much.06:05.608 --> 06:11.814[SPEAKER_03]: And I love the comedy book, the Jesse David Fox did recently, there's another great, great resource.06:12.715 --> 06:26.691[SPEAKER_03]: I think that, you know, one of the things that that I noticed was when you have the great errors of Saturday Night Live, it's always because there are at least two women in cast06:26.671 --> 06:29.616[SPEAKER_03]: absolutely phenomenal in everything they're in.06:30.117 --> 06:37.250[SPEAKER_03]: And so a lot of times the guys get the attention, I don't know if Will Ferrell is as funny without Sherry O' Terry.06:37.451 --> 06:38.412[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.06:38.432 --> 06:45.405[SPEAKER_03]: That was a and without Molly Shannon and having them be you know like there's just every era06:45.385 --> 07:06.482[SPEAKER_01]: every fantastic era of Serenet Live has always had stand out if if the women are strong the guys get a lot stronger when you watch Molly Shannon now and the part she's and she's great don't get me wrong but you forget how physical of comedian she was back in setting up when she played was a married catheter or what the catholic school girl and she07:06.462 --> 07:36.351[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just now catching up and you know, Mark Maran, you know, sadly ended his podcast and and he just has had great job and he was doing it and I caught up with some of the episodes I hadn't heard yet one of his Seth Meyer as he was talking about watching Will Ferrell, you know, these guys can get up there have done and he said he's done 500 different character bits, whatever, but he can get up there and do something he hasn't done before and and I don't know, I mean God bless us folks over Saturday night live, but I kind of my era was like Eddie Murphy and it07:36.331 --> 07:42.958[SPEAKER_01]: the tail end of the Billy Crystal, and then you had the Adam Sandler kind of era, you know, we'll go.07:42.978 --> 07:43.379[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.07:43.439 --> 07:43.859[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.07:44.300 --> 07:46.262[SPEAKER_01]: What's memorable right now?07:46.962 --> 07:51.447[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if there are any skits that are just iconic that they're going to remember 10 years from now.07:51.547 --> 07:54.070[SPEAKER_01]: But better everybody says that about Saturday night live.07:54.110 --> 07:56.072[SPEAKER_01]: It goes through phases like, oh, it's not funny anymore.07:56.132 --> 07:58.215[SPEAKER_01]: And then you get, you know, a moment.07:58.235 --> 08:05.022[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but I don't I think that I think that one of the great things for me about comedy is that it has to evolve.08:05.002 --> 08:19.322[SPEAKER_03]: Um, because it's always a reaction to the the status quo, like comedy is a response to whatever people are, whatever the sacred cows are of the moment.08:19.342 --> 08:34.823[SPEAKER_03]: And because that goal post moves through time, the stuff that was groundbreaking for Lenny Bruce is not necessarily groundbreaking for us, but he had to go and and break that down in order to get to George Carlin.08:34.803 --> 08:41.856[SPEAKER_03]: and then George Carlin had to go to get to Richard Pryor, and then Richard Pryor had to go to Eddie Murphy's playoff.08:41.936 --> 08:50.553[SPEAKER_03]: So there's always this legacy that, you know, it's true that we always stand on the shoulders of giants.08:50.954 --> 08:56.524[SPEAKER_03]: Every, every artist always stands on the shoulders of the generation that came before, and08:57.533 --> 09:11.115[SPEAKER_03]: The problem that I have with a lot of commentary that exists right now is that people will say things like, you know, they'll say, well, this was, you know, this is insensitive and all that stuff.09:11.135 --> 09:15.523[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, okay, for this moment in time, you're absolutely right.09:16.524 --> 09:19.008[SPEAKER_03]: It's context, you know, it's the context of the moment.09:19.489 --> 09:21.212[SPEAKER_03]: I'm this happened.09:21.867 --> 09:31.227[SPEAKER_03]: this was a taboo subject to be able to even talk about human sexuality or whatever it was at the time that they were fighting against.09:31.728 --> 09:40.888[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there was absolutely bonkers as a kid one of the things that I remember that that opened my brain up and kind of09:40.868 --> 09:45.736[SPEAKER_03]: changed the way that my neurochemistry worked was on PBS.09:45.776 --> 10:03.687[SPEAKER_03]: They had Monty Python and the Monty Python's flying circus and that to me was the first time in that I'd seen things that were very meta You know, there was a they would have talk shows on that then would go into these absurd areas and10:03.667 --> 10:06.933[SPEAKER_03]: previously they hadn't really done anything like that.10:07.013 --> 10:10.599[SPEAKER_03]: And I was seeing it 15, 20 years after it came out.10:11.400 --> 10:22.560[SPEAKER_03]: And so I'd seen the ripple, you know, I saw the ripple effects in culture because I think without money Python, you don't get the early SNL stuff.10:23.061 --> 10:24.443[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know,10:25.132 --> 10:32.280[SPEAKER_03]: For me, it's seeing it as like a 13-year-old, as the first thing that I could see, because I didn't have to stay up late at night to watch it.10:32.961 --> 10:40.750[SPEAKER_03]: I was, you know, it was this phenomenal thing that really took my head off and rewired the way that I thought.10:40.831 --> 10:51.443[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the thing that is wonderful about, you know, right now speaking of music, my kids can listen to every era of music.10:51.423 --> 10:52.565[SPEAKER_03]: because it's all available.10:52.606 --> 11:07.457[SPEAKER_03]: And they don't have to go find the CD to go do that, you know, they can just, you know, they can just, you like this band, you know, this is kind of, this is interesting because it's kind of a riff on this old new order song.11:07.437 --> 11:08.779[SPEAKER_03]: for example.11:08.799 --> 11:12.844[SPEAKER_03]: And they'll go and listen to it and then they'll become fans of that.11:13.385 --> 11:27.303[SPEAKER_03]: Or when stranger things came out and they didn't know about Kate Bush and suddenly and I was like, oh my god, I've, Kate Bush has been in my in my soul and bloodstream, create a bloodstream since, you know, since I was a little kid.11:27.343 --> 11:36.415[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the kind of thing that is nice is that, you know, we do have this opportunity to do stuff and I understand that comedy has this11:37.627 --> 11:47.828[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there are things about it that will seem outdated, but I always find that there's always something in there that is fresh when you go back and look at it.11:47.848 --> 11:54.401[SPEAKER_01]: There's stuff in, you know, you could take Carlin and plug him in right now and he would be as if not when he was.11:54.422 --> 11:56.125[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody else, you know.11:56.105 --> 11:57.927[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, true, true.11:58.107 --> 12:14.221[SPEAKER_03]: So it really just depends, but for me it's one of those wonderful things about the, everyone complains about the short attention span, but what I find great about the availability of everything is that you can do a deep dive and get a new appreciation.12:14.641 --> 12:25.150[SPEAKER_03]: When people, there was a wonderful clip that someone showed of stunts in a Marvel movie,12:25.687 --> 12:29.236[SPEAKER_03]: like a subway and went, you know, speeding off in the other direction.12:29.316 --> 12:33.968[SPEAKER_03]: And then they showed that Buster Keaton clip that he was inspired by.12:33.988 --> 12:42.008[SPEAKER_03]: And they were able to go and do all of that kind of stuff and be able to,12:42.933 --> 12:54.532[SPEAKER_03]: re-contextualize what we're seeing, and in a weird way have a lovely sense of the history of stunts the history of comedy, all that.12:54.552 --> 13:02.325[SPEAKER_03]: So I really do feel like it is we do live in a fractured age, but if you have13:02.305 --> 13:09.254[SPEAKER_03]: curiosity, there's a tremendous amount that you can learn that's out there like constantly available right now.13:09.514 --> 13:15.102[SPEAKER_01]: Pat and Oswald, or somebody said, you know, I said, if you're not, I'm paraphrasing a little bit.13:15.342 --> 13:18.046[SPEAKER_01]: He was not necessarily trying to be self-deprecating me.13:18.106 --> 13:26.016[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was like, you're getting your comedy from, I'm sorry, your news, your contextualization of the moment from comedians or whatever.13:26.036 --> 13:31.924[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, that's, you know, we're just got a kind of goofballs.13:31.904 --> 13:53.980[SPEAKER_01]: the comedians were sort of like the the commentators of the time to kind of like to still things down, you know, like, like, like, I look, I remember when I always sit at my grandparents house on Friday nights and my grandfather and I would inevitably throw into that we watch all in the family, which if somebody saw all in the family now, they'd be like, oh, that's just, you know, but that was like kind of a vanguard of like,13:53.960 --> 14:02.531[SPEAKER_01]: opening up a window to people to how certain aspects of culture, you know, kind of a mirror, kind of, you know, I don't know what your thoughts are as far as comedy.14:03.552 --> 14:16.609[SPEAKER_01]: I've talked to a few folks recently who, you know, they say the comedy is hard to kind of get that budget right because comedy in America doesn't play as well in an international market, so it doesn't really get the benefit of the same kind of budget.14:16.589 --> 14:20.594[SPEAKER_01]: And I look at it like, I just miss the goofy comedies.14:20.734 --> 14:22.557[SPEAKER_01]: Even if they're a little bit on the blue side.14:22.577 --> 14:25.781[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that growing up is a kid of the 80s.14:26.121 --> 14:31.448[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you had Sam Kinesson and Andrew Dice Clay, it gives you a sense of how far it is.14:31.469 --> 14:33.271[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's crazy.14:33.291 --> 14:33.451[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.14:33.772 --> 14:41.422[SPEAKER_01]: You know, one of the most iconic moments of my childhood is watching Rodney Dangerfield back to school in the classroom and Sam Kinesson goes off on him.14:41.462 --> 14:44.065[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you know, you wouldn't necessarily see that.14:44.045 --> 14:45.968[SPEAKER_01]: What were you watching when you were growing up?14:46.208 --> 14:48.511[SPEAKER_01]: What was it that was, I don't want to say inspiring you.14:48.571 --> 14:50.373[SPEAKER_01]: You know what movies and stuff were you checking out?14:50.694 --> 14:51.395[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll tell you.14:51.435 --> 14:58.083[SPEAKER_03]: The thing that's true about comedy is that it's extraordinarily subjective.14:58.804 --> 15:09.158[SPEAKER_03]: And so one of the things that has a, it will affect, you know, when you give people some touchdowns of the movies that you love, they will, you know,15:09.627 --> 15:37.643[SPEAKER_03]: they'll say oh well okay you don't like this kind of comedy like this kind of comedy and I do feel one of the things that was fun for me growing up was I just loved to laugh period so I would watch I remember you know my mom had we would get like HBO for a month15:38.315 --> 15:43.943[SPEAKER_03]: then it would be, and it was like for free for a month and then after that you'd have to pay for it.15:43.963 --> 15:49.011[SPEAKER_03]: So we would always hop around, you'd get my show time and you know, whichever you are.15:49.211 --> 15:53.557[SPEAKER_03]: So what we would do is, and I would tape anything that I saw.15:53.617 --> 16:00.407[SPEAKER_03]: So one of the things that I can quote front to back is raising Arizona because that was on the month that16:00.809 --> 16:04.398[SPEAKER_03]: I had HBO and I taped it and then I would re-watch it over and over and over.16:04.478 --> 16:09.371[SPEAKER_03]: I watched all of the, with the necklace cage, was that the necklace cage would be with the baby?16:09.531 --> 16:09.832[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.16:10.434 --> 16:11.597[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.16:11.617 --> 16:16.489[SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, one of my favorite movies that I saw with my mom, um,16:16.891 --> 16:23.747[SPEAKER_03]: early on was broadcast news and I just was, I thought it was really like it made me cry, but it also was funny.16:23.807 --> 16:33.229[SPEAKER_03]: And so I've always been able to find, and I have no problem with, you know, like I grew up watching on again on like,16:33.648 --> 16:48.636[SPEAKER_03]: TV, the edited version of the Pink Panther movies, as a little kid, I remember thinking those are the funniest things, and when I revisited them later, I just was so impressed with Black Edwards's ability to, you know, he had this16:49.561 --> 16:56.269[SPEAKER_03]: fantastic ability to stack hilarious things happening in the background with something serious happening in the foreground.16:56.329 --> 17:06.361[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, the airplane movie and all of the things that Abrams and Zuckery do.17:06.541 --> 17:07.803[SPEAKER_03]: They did that really masterfully.17:07.823 --> 17:09.445[SPEAKER_03]: So that's a lot of physical comedy.17:09.845 --> 17:14.691[SPEAKER_03]: But then I, I was, you know, I know that it's ghost to say now, but the movie that17:14.671 --> 17:19.516[SPEAKER_03]: that also took my head off at the time was seeing Annie Hall.17:19.536 --> 17:21.438[SPEAKER_03]: And again, I didn't see any of these movies in the theater.17:21.478 --> 17:22.760[SPEAKER_03]: I saw these hall and cable.17:24.001 --> 17:29.928[SPEAKER_03]: But Annie Hall, for my money, was one of the smartest things I'd ever seen period of any genre.17:30.028 --> 17:44.003[SPEAKER_03]: And I was very, and then later when I saw other people mimic it in spirit, like when Harry Metzale was one I saw in theaters as a teen.17:44.472 --> 17:51.483[SPEAKER_03]: I just thought, this is so, so funny, but again, I have a, it's very sad to me that Rob Riner passed away.17:51.823 --> 18:07.307[SPEAKER_03]: He's someone who I'd always wanted to meet, because I wanted to thank him for doing, I'd like his run of, you know, starting with spinal tap, and I really like the sure thing too, again, that I saw that on cable, and then,18:08.182 --> 18:13.888[SPEAKER_03]: the princess bride when Harry met Sally, uh, misery, or stand to stand by me.18:13.908 --> 18:15.730[SPEAKER_03]: You could then the American president.18:15.790 --> 18:16.932[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that guy's career.18:17.092 --> 18:23.699[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the American, the American president was just, was so well written also, you know, it was so fortunate.18:23.719 --> 18:24.360[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, sorkin.18:24.660 --> 18:30.747[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's sorkin and it's sort of like the blueprint for what he did with the Westwind, Westwing, but18:30.727 --> 18:33.512[SPEAKER_03]: But with Rob Reiner, he made it extra.18:33.552 --> 18:34.594[SPEAKER_01]: There was that likeness.18:34.875 --> 18:41.007[SPEAKER_01]: I, in a following, his daughter on Instagram, because Carl Reiner reminded me so much of my grandfather.18:41.347 --> 18:49.022[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just, after my grandfather, you know, he had passed and she had post things with Carl Reiner and, you know, of course, Robin.18:49.002 --> 19:06.021[SPEAKER_01]: But it was just kind of neat, kind of see the inside of what are these guys like, and they seem like they're both real mintious, as my people say, even Carl Reiner, you see, like summer school, remember that with Mark Harman and again, on cable.19:06.341 --> 19:12.107[SPEAKER_03]: These, yeah, yeah, but Carl Reiner was on cable in those months that I saw it, I saw it like a thousand times.19:12.168 --> 19:15.291[SPEAKER_03]: So we were talking, I have a friend of his saying, do you remember Beast Master?19:15.311 --> 19:18.975[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I remember Beast Master because that was long19:18.955 --> 19:42.533[SPEAKER_01]: You know what's cool now because when you watch it was like on a smaller tube TV now you have like I have 75 inch TV It's kind of fun to revisit those on a on a larger format, you know, but yeah I recently rewatched Conan the Barbarian the very and which I'd never seen you know I'd only seen on the square version and seeing it with the widescreen It was I mean19:42.648 --> 19:56.742[SPEAKER_03]: I just love, personally, my favorite movies are ones that just take you on this journey and they ask for you to believe in the world that they're believing it.19:57.228 --> 20:01.256[SPEAKER_03]: they fulfill the promise that they set up in the beginning.20:01.476 --> 20:05.103[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like they'll say, we're gonna do this kind of a movie.20:05.123 --> 20:07.087[SPEAKER_03]: It's, we're telling you what it is.20:07.368 --> 20:10.614[SPEAKER_03]: I think your first 10 minutes of any movie are vital.20:11.095 --> 20:17.447[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the Indian and Jones movies are like quintessential perfect, you know, you're gonna be taking a ride, you know.20:17.427 --> 20:22.035[SPEAKER_01]: Or like, even like this, no, I know you were with Jerry O'Connell on Donor Party.20:22.055 --> 20:33.955[SPEAKER_03]: Did you pick his brain instead by me and, you know, again, and then it was so fun to be able to work with him and I just, I could geek out because I also, I really liked what he did with sliders.20:34.215 --> 20:42.068[SPEAKER_03]: I really, you know, he's a guy who is also one of the most charming people ever, but he had that, and his,20:42.571 --> 20:46.616[SPEAKER_03]: not eulogy, but what he said on Instagram about Rob Reiner after he passed.20:46.636 --> 20:48.358[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I haven't seen that yet.20:48.438 --> 20:49.620[SPEAKER_01]: I need to go back.20:49.640 --> 20:50.221[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, beautiful.20:50.741 --> 20:51.602[SPEAKER_01]: That did hit hard.20:51.622 --> 20:56.248[SPEAKER_01]: Because that was, I mean, for multitude of constellation of reasons is just horrific and horrible.20:56.288 --> 20:59.432[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, when you realize, you know that guy had more in the tank.20:59.833 --> 21:03.337[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was more stuff that he could, you know, come out with.21:03.437 --> 21:10.266[SPEAKER_01]: But, I mean, to be able to talk with somebody and everybody who spoke of21:10.246 --> 21:34.583[SPEAKER_01]: he knew how to control the set, and that's from everyone I've spoken with being a director can be like a cat rodeo, you know, like wrangler, but he, you know, could do that with grace, and so you know, nobody had a bad thing to say about him, you know, so that's uh, no, and I think that that's one of the hallmarks of you know, what I aspire to is to create a safe place on set,21:34.563 --> 21:53.753[SPEAKER_03]: that will get us all back to the place where we are like little kids because when you're a little kid you will fully give yourself to imagination and you will and as soon as it gets boring you stop the game like the game21:54.188 --> 21:54.929[SPEAKER_03]: It falls apart.21:55.090 --> 22:14.188[SPEAKER_03]: Or if someone, and this is one of the beautiful things that I learned about working with folks who are very well-versed in improv, is that the goal is to say yes and not to say no, but when you create a world where you're encouraging people,22:14.422 --> 22:21.128[SPEAKER_03]: to bring their A game, and not just to bring their A game, we're encouraging people to play.22:21.528 --> 22:28.834[SPEAKER_03]: And you welcome people into a world where you're like, I will make sure that you don't make a fool of yourself.22:28.855 --> 22:32.237[SPEAKER_03]: We will go to this place, but I want you to try.22:32.257 --> 22:35.720[SPEAKER_03]: I want you to have fun, explore.22:35.761 --> 22:44.428[SPEAKER_03]: And I always tell people that the most important thing for me, especially because I have only directed things22:44.408 --> 22:48.613[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I know this world inside and out.22:49.274 --> 22:51.456[SPEAKER_03]: So I want you to surprise and delight me.22:51.817 --> 22:58.625[SPEAKER_03]: And if you can surprise and delight, the guy who knows the story inside and out, I can guarantee that the audience will be surprised and delighted when they watch it.22:58.865 --> 23:02.149[SPEAKER_01]: The donor party, I thought it was really good.23:02.169 --> 23:07.956[SPEAKER_01]: It was funny because all the people you think would be the collected normal, we'll say, normal.23:08.397 --> 23:10.399[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of got flipped, because the premise is,23:10.379 --> 23:34.378[SPEAKER_01]: doing a not really cool thing here if you think about it that you know I don't want to ruin it for folks who haven't seen donor party highly recommend the senior but one of the things I love you did was Rob Cordry who usually is the one who's kind of you think about you know taught to time machine or hot for time machine you know you know you think about oh another one Mollonacumman was in was a heartbreak kid with then stiller I mean that's when I first saw her23:34.358 --> 23:48.270[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me as well, and I, you think about, well, was Rob Cordy and that, he's just kind of this, this guy, he was the collected sort of suit and tie guy and I was like, I don't know how they managed to flip this on its head.23:48.511 --> 23:52.620[SPEAKER_03]: Here's the way that I think a lot of things work and it worked this way with.23:53.461 --> 23:57.990[SPEAKER_03]: with home delivery as well, is because I really believe in actors.23:58.531 --> 24:08.270[SPEAKER_03]: I think one of the people who's made the biggest inroads into getting people to believe in comedy, people as having dramatic potential, is Vince Gilligan.24:08.511 --> 24:10.555[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you look at, oh yeah, yeah.24:11.136 --> 24:14.102[SPEAKER_03]: A breaking bad and the cast a better call saw.24:14.082 --> 24:16.266[SPEAKER_03]: They'd all done comedy before that.24:17.168 --> 24:22.259[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of those things where he understands that it's very hard to do comedy.24:22.880 --> 24:31.798[SPEAKER_03]: And it's very hard to understand how to know where the joke is, know how to not hit it so hard that everyone wins is.24:31.898 --> 24:35.365[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, it's a very, very,24:35.345 --> 24:44.608[SPEAKER_03]: delicate skill to do, we'll make people laugh and it takes a lot of work to make it look effortless.24:45.169 --> 24:50.021[SPEAKER_01]: And the zen of casting, you know, that you have to know you've got somebody on deck who can actually pull it off.24:50.161 --> 24:50.462[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.24:51.003 --> 24:53.269[SPEAKER_03]: So, I know that I've got24:53.249 --> 25:08.891[SPEAKER_03]: someone who can blow up, and I know that I'm also bringing along everyone's expectations of that, then I can use that to set the tone for how people are going to, they're waiting for Rob to do that.25:08.911 --> 25:14.278[SPEAKER_03]: And so when he finally, in the big, in sort of the big final scene, he blows up,25:14.258 --> 25:29.618[SPEAKER_03]: we've been waiting for him to do something like that, the whole move, like we've been waiting for him to, because we know he's got it in him, because his powders dry, and so I just, and I love playing with that night, you know, for me, when I,25:29.935 --> 25:32.658[SPEAKER_03]: I love comedy and I love watching.25:33.119 --> 25:58.069[SPEAKER_03]: So I was a huge fan of Children's Hospital, which had Rob created, is absolutely nuts and doesn't make any sense, but it's delightful in how it just goes, it tears apart all of the ideas of medical TV shows, all of the, you know, it plays with all those tropes in the way that's kind of like what the airplane guys did with, you know, when they did,25:58.049 --> 26:05.257[SPEAKER_03]: airplane, or than they did, you know, the naked gun movie, or any of those kinds of things, they take the trope and skewer it.26:05.557 --> 26:12.264[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, like Leslie needs a voice on a comedic actor, Leslie Nielsen, I think, was a serious actor, but he wasn't serious actor.26:12.284 --> 26:14.266[SPEAKER_03]: And what they did was they did the same thing.26:14.326 --> 26:25.238[SPEAKER_03]: They knew that people were expecting him to be serious, and they played everything they had him play things absolutely straight with everything being insane around him.26:32.018 --> 26:39.582[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, but I think that comedy, you have to be smart.26:39.933 --> 26:43.297[SPEAKER_03]: to write comedy and to understand comedy.26:43.457 --> 26:49.543[SPEAKER_03]: And it's that thing where, because you have to know what's expected and then know how to flip the expectation.26:50.064 --> 26:53.727[SPEAKER_03]: So, and I'm not talking about IQ intelligence, but you just have to be savvy.26:53.747 --> 26:55.069[SPEAKER_03]: You have to know what's going on.26:55.649 --> 27:04.018[SPEAKER_03]: All of this, all of what comedy does, it works on your expectation and then it flips it in a way that, you know, horror does the same thing.27:04.078 --> 27:08.623[SPEAKER_03]: It works on your expectation of what's gonna happen and then a jump scare will happen.27:08.603 --> 27:14.709[SPEAKER_03]: or they'll be the mounting sense of dread and then something terrible will happen as the payoff.27:14.729 --> 27:16.270[SPEAKER_03]: And the same thing happens in comedy.27:16.291 --> 27:22.276[SPEAKER_03]: It's a mounting sense of dread and then you, but then you get the laughter to release it.27:22.416 --> 27:35.269[SPEAKER_03]: And so when someone like Rob comes along and can be so and can play it down and you're waiting for that moment for him to release27:35.249 --> 27:54.743[SPEAKER_01]: It's just you know that it's like a coiled cobra and he's just there's going to something's going to happen or when they weren't you know what they're capable of and the beast doesn't have a place like there was a I want to think what I guess it qualifies as an independent movie as a great film called the way way back I don't know say he was oh I love that movie27:54.723 --> 27:58.512[SPEAKER_01]: And it's Jim Rash and Net, Net Fax, you know, are amazing.27:58.532 --> 27:59.514[SPEAKER_01]: They're writing.27:59.794 --> 28:10.278[SPEAKER_01]: That facts and just a lot of his writing is he's written some of my favorite stuff lately, but I love that because you also have Rob is just sort of, you know, he's kind of this there.28:10.298 --> 28:13.305[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's not wallpaper, but he's sort of like,28:13.285 --> 28:28.780[SPEAKER_01]: Just dude is kind of a part of it, and he doesn't hit, you know, there's no opportunity for him to free the beast, and then you have Steve Correll, Steve Correll, like he wasn't a pleasant dude, so he went like, we know Steve Correll, we can do, but I love when you see someone28:28.760 --> 28:31.864[SPEAKER_01]: Really effectively like you really didn't like him in that movie.28:31.884 --> 28:32.925[SPEAKER_01]: He was kind of a jerk.28:32.945 --> 28:39.993[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and so I'm a big fan of independent like, for instance, donor party more as an independent zone of a film.28:40.033 --> 28:44.639[SPEAKER_01]: And I think see my favorite comedies are the ones that live in that zone, but they're really well cast.28:44.659 --> 28:53.730[SPEAKER_01]: You got people going, you know, they may not get their clinical rate, but they see the vision that they want to take part in it and it makes a really like it's like the way way back.28:53.750 --> 28:55.712[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the budget was on that, but28:55.692 --> 29:12.908[SPEAKER_01]: those are the kind of films I like and that I do wish we would have more comedy now because as a ginex get grown up when the comedy was everywhere now it's you got a hunt for it you know the stuff that kind of like Francis donor party I didn't know anything about it I pulled it up I was like29:12.888 --> 29:18.295[SPEAKER_01]: This is so ridiculously fun that it's like, I feel glad you like it.29:18.395 --> 29:20.077[SPEAKER_01]: That's, thank you so much.29:20.117 --> 29:27.066[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but Rob Gordon's wife, you know, the whole thing in the pool and her, and he's just trying to hold his shit together at the whole time.29:27.106 --> 29:36.718[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, this is his birthday, but everybody around, and he has no clue that this is just one big, you know, set up for a balanced character too.29:36.698 --> 29:48.254[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you framed that in any other way, you think, this is a truly horrible person doing a horrible thing, but within the context of the film, you're like, oh, I'll take the ride.29:48.314 --> 29:49.515[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of fun.29:49.615 --> 29:54.081[SPEAKER_01]: And the whole Jeff Goldblum imitation thing, I was like, where did that come from?29:54.141 --> 30:05.777[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so, did you write- Well, I'll tell you, I can tell you some of the inspirations and I try to, I find that very suddenly does an idea30:06.483 --> 30:09.808[SPEAKER_03]: whole cloth formed in my mind.30:10.228 --> 30:26.732[SPEAKER_03]: I know exactly, I'll have, I think the best way to describe it is, I don't know if you, if you did this when you were a kid, but they would have these big magnets, and then there's sort of U-shaped magnets, and you'd run it in the dirt, and you'd pull it out of the dirt, and you'd see all of this, what look like first, to get to it?30:26.832 --> 30:27.613[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.30:27.880 --> 30:29.622[SPEAKER_03]: And that's all these metal in the dirt.30:30.102 --> 30:45.698[SPEAKER_03]: And what I would, what I feel like is the thing for me is when I know that I have an idea that is strong and have to be a magnet, I start to let it sit and gather ideas to it like that.30:45.758 --> 30:52.445[SPEAKER_03]: I'll run it through, I won't force myself to start writing until I've given it a chance to sort of sift through things.30:52.685 --> 30:54.647[SPEAKER_03]: And the way that I,30:54.880 --> 31:00.426[SPEAKER_03]: The way that I develop things a lot of the times is I will hear a line of dialogue and I'll write it down.31:00.446 --> 31:09.576[SPEAKER_03]: And I have an app that basically I can put a tag and it says dialogue or visual gag or whatever.31:09.596 --> 31:14.721[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'll start to think, oh, this could go with this story.31:15.242 --> 31:23.571[SPEAKER_03]: And then I start to put it all together as like, this is the whole world that it could be.31:24.580 --> 31:30.375[SPEAKER_03]: Let's say 40% of what the structure is gonna be by that point.31:32.219 --> 31:36.109[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'll start to think, well, who are the people that this31:36.730 --> 31:38.473[SPEAKER_03]: problem should happen to.31:39.135 --> 31:44.745[SPEAKER_03]: What are the kinds of people who need to learn something out of this experience?31:45.426 --> 31:50.756[SPEAKER_03]: And, and that's how I'll start to think, okay, well, what are the characters that need to be involved?31:50.776 --> 31:56.427[SPEAKER_03]: And so, for, for example, using the donor party, I knew that I wanted to talk about,31:56.407 --> 32:06.202[SPEAKER_03]: all the different challenges the people that women in their late 30s have with, you know, if they're not, because I had a lot of friends who were dealing with, like, I don't have a husband.32:06.722 --> 32:07.604[SPEAKER_03]: I'm running out of time.32:08.245 --> 32:17.578[SPEAKER_01]: I want to make sure that I have kids, but, which is what we're all going to say, because you could see this is, okay, this is a real life thing that people deal with.32:17.679 --> 32:24.068[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I imagine the emotion attached to it's heavy, so you can't32:24.048 --> 32:40.622[SPEAKER_03]: you know, trying to find create ways of you know, but, but yeah, but you took it to a whole other level though, you know, so it's like, and that's, I mean, to me, I think that that's where, you know, what comedy does it says, well, what's the, what's the thing that we all feel?32:41.615 --> 32:45.440[SPEAKER_03]: And then, how can you turn that using Rob Reiner?32:45.520 --> 32:46.762[SPEAKER_03]: How can you turn it to 11?32:46.842 --> 32:50.207[SPEAKER_03]: How can you make everything as bad as possible for that person?32:50.247 --> 32:51.649[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's when they're going to squirm.32:51.669 --> 33:07.251[SPEAKER_03]: That's when there's going to be the thing that, for example, you look at the movies that the Safty Brothers do, or they've done on their own, they always put someone in the absolute worst situation and make things worse and worse and worse and worse and worse.33:07.231 --> 33:20.390[SPEAKER_03]: Now, the comedy version of that is Martin Scorsese's after-hours, where it's the, you know, here's someone who's just trying to get together with a woman in New York and in the mid-80s.33:21.072 --> 33:21.814[SPEAKER_03]: And33:22.047 --> 33:23.068[SPEAKER_03]: you know, there's no apps.33:23.269 --> 33:29.797[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of the movie, a lot of that movie completely falls apart nowadays because you'd be like, well, you just have your phone and you can make phone call.33:29.837 --> 33:32.440[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to beg someone for all that kind of stuff.33:32.500 --> 33:43.954[SPEAKER_03]: But if you if you take yourself out of that and put yourself back in 1985, I think is when they made it when you didn't have an app on your phone that could pay for your taxi when you didn't have any, you know,33:43.934 --> 33:48.805[SPEAKER_03]: There weren't ubers and all of this kind of stuff and you had to, and this guy is trying to just get home.33:49.326 --> 33:50.549[SPEAKER_03]: What's the worst thing that can happen?33:50.609 --> 33:53.495[SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of like, I mean, they've done this for forever.33:53.515 --> 33:54.838[SPEAKER_03]: Homer did it with the Odyssey.33:55.600 --> 33:59.428[SPEAKER_03]: He just didn't make it funny, you know.33:59.408 --> 34:01.732[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and that's where the Cohen brothers were so smart.34:01.752 --> 34:04.957[SPEAKER_03]: They were like, well, what if the, what if the Odyssey were a comedy?34:04.997 --> 34:07.040[SPEAKER_03]: That's, oh, brother, where are they?34:07.701 --> 34:10.325[SPEAKER_03]: Um, let's make it impossible for this guy to get home.34:10.926 --> 34:21.062[SPEAKER_03]: Put everything in his path and have all of those34:21.042 --> 34:37.548[SPEAKER_03]: With everything I do, I feel like the juice for me is when I can see something, and when there's a dilemma, and it's like, this person has every, you know, it's seem like a good idea at the time.34:37.588 --> 34:41.214[SPEAKER_03]: But they didn't think about all the ways that it could go wrong.34:41.615 --> 34:46.142[SPEAKER_03]: And for me, that's one of the things that makes the character relatable.34:46.222 --> 34:49.227[SPEAKER_03]: Because if you have something where you're rooting for,34:49.780 --> 34:51.102[SPEAKER_03]: what they want.34:51.963 --> 34:53.466[SPEAKER_03]: And then you're like, oh no, don't do that.34:53.486 --> 34:55.830[SPEAKER_03]: It's like when the person goes into the haunted house.34:55.850 --> 35:01.819[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they don't go into that room, don't, you know, in comedy, it's, don't, oh, you're having a conversation with the last person.35:01.839 --> 35:03.582[SPEAKER_03]: You, you should have this conversation with you.35:03.622 --> 35:07.909[SPEAKER_03]: Don't, you're setting yourself up for a disaster right away.35:07.949 --> 35:15.501[SPEAKER_03]: And I think when, for me, it's always imagining, what's the worst place I can put?35:15.565 --> 35:16.226[SPEAKER_03]: my hero.35:17.288 --> 35:22.696[SPEAKER_03]: Have them once something that we all can relate to and then put them through the ringer to try to get it.35:22.856 --> 35:33.071[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things I like is when you see people who are not in their in a perfect place, kind of like you've ever seen the movie The Descendants, which I of course with George Clooney.35:33.151 --> 35:34.573[SPEAKER_01]: Again, you're reacting to that facts.35:34.653 --> 35:35.835[SPEAKER_01]: I was about to say, you know,35:35.815 --> 35:39.101[SPEAKER_01]: And here's George, that's one of my favorite George Clooney movies.35:39.161 --> 35:44.091[SPEAKER_01]: He's not Danny Ocean in this and this is an very imperfect situation.35:44.692 --> 35:45.614[SPEAKER_01]: It's not chaos.35:45.774 --> 35:53.689[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like, you're watching somebody go through, you know, where you have no problem finding empathy for this person because you go, yeah, that would be a hard situation.35:53.710 --> 35:55.974[SPEAKER_01]: Again, those are always the most interesting movies.35:56.034 --> 35:56.575[SPEAKER_01]: And that's35:56.555 --> 36:12.403[SPEAKER_01]: I think you kind of carried forward, you know, the donor party granted it was humorous and I think the under tone of that like you said is what is it like to be a lady in her late 30s not married wanting to have children and what are the reasonable extents to go to you know in that and then you had.36:12.383 --> 36:21.352[SPEAKER_01]: I just love the work he does, a Ryan Hanson, you know, this is a guy who, you know, he was kind of that just a good dude, you know, he was a cat.36:21.372 --> 36:23.194[SPEAKER_01]: It was cats cast so well.36:23.294 --> 36:25.276[SPEAKER_01]: It was like even, you know, thank you.36:25.356 --> 36:26.217[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those movies.36:26.297 --> 36:30.101[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it makes you a little uncomfortable, but in the best way possible.36:30.121 --> 36:32.144[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, this is an uncomfortable situation.36:32.204 --> 36:33.305[SPEAKER_01]: This is not going to end well.36:33.365 --> 36:34.466[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's not going to end well.36:34.486 --> 36:37.429[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is going to be, but I want to see, I want to see the car crash.36:37.409 --> 36:59.400[SPEAKER_01]: You know that's kind of right and that's that's the whole thinking for me the what I look for and you know again I think home delivery has a very similar premise you know you've got rain Wilson and that and he's a perfect example of somebody that what can rain Wilson not do I mean he's you know36:59.380 --> 37:15.866[SPEAKER_03]: but here's the one thing about that for me is I'm speaking in the same way that so I knew that Rob Cordy had studied Shakespeare and he was someone who so he had done Shakespeare in the park back when he was in New York, but he got his breakout on the Daily Show.37:16.287 --> 37:25.101[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, in the same way Raine is someone who I worked with on we became friends37:25.081 --> 37:32.939[SPEAKER_03]: for multiple reasons, but I had done a short film for one of his for his website SoulPancake.37:32.959 --> 37:33.701[SPEAKER_03]: I remember then.37:33.801 --> 37:34.783[SPEAKER_01]: Is that even around anymore?37:34.803 --> 37:37.550[SPEAKER_01]: Because I know that was something he did like 20 years ago.37:37.690 --> 37:38.732[SPEAKER_01]: No, little lesson to it.37:38.752 --> 37:44.305[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's a wonderful thing and it's I think it's been incorporated into37:45.027 --> 37:50.597[SPEAKER_03]: another, there was a company that bought it and was carrying on what it did and it was a beautiful thing.37:51.418 --> 37:58.831[SPEAKER_03]: But I did an early, short for them and got to know them that way and he is the, he's very soulful.37:59.613 --> 38:02.698[SPEAKER_03]: He is incredibly,38:02.813 --> 38:06.938[SPEAKER_03]: loving and sweet and kind and not at all like the white fruit.38:07.359 --> 38:23.238[SPEAKER_03]: So when I was coming up with the character in home delivery that he plays, I thought, okay, well, this is an opportunity to show a different side of him that people may not be familiar with and it's still very comedically rich.38:23.398 --> 38:28.905[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's a blast and the moment that he enters, it, you know, it's38:29.290 --> 38:41.933[SPEAKER_03]: injects a totally different energy into the movie, and I love that because I knew him as a person, I knew that he could go to the, I also knew that he could go to sort of the,38:42.115 --> 38:57.436[SPEAKER_03]: more heartfelt place that the movie gets to in the ending and he would be able to bridge that distance because he has the ability to do both the sort of outrageous comedy but also the more nuanced and personal stuff.38:57.476 --> 39:00.400[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, it's being a fan of actors.39:00.460 --> 39:02.723[SPEAKER_03]: It's really what it is.39:03.530 --> 39:07.716[SPEAKER_03]: doing your research and find, I mean, I was thrilled when we got Joe Pantilliano.39:07.856 --> 39:10.840[SPEAKER_03]: I did not at all think that Guita the Killer Pimp.39:11.962 --> 39:17.750[SPEAKER_03]: That's not what's gonna be a guy who would wanna be the sort of put-up on stepdad of my story.39:18.190 --> 39:23.958[SPEAKER_03]: And yet he said that the reason why he wanted to do it, he loved the script and he wanted to play a good guy.39:24.479 --> 39:29.766[SPEAKER_03]: He never gets a chance to play the guy who's sort of the moral heart of the film.39:30.027 --> 39:31.849[SPEAKER_03]: And that's,39:31.829 --> 39:38.582[SPEAKER_03]: If you didn't know that, I really credit my casting director Lisa Zagoria for knowing39:39.406 --> 39:57.146[SPEAKER_03]: you know, for doing her research and knowing that people would be open to doing stuff and knowing that I would be open to casting against type because that's where you can get these remarkable performances that people are putting so much energy into doing something to show that they can do something different.39:57.246 --> 39:58.307[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's beautiful.39:58.388 --> 40:02.292[SPEAKER_03]: Like I just love actors so much and I love that they40:02.525 --> 40:03.667[SPEAKER_03]: what they're capable of.40:03.827 --> 40:19.573[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when you look at directors that, if you were to say on your Mount Rushmore of director is a guy, guys and gals who, you know, they do something that you, you admire that you would incorporate at some level or maybe the way they interact with the way they run a set or whatever.40:19.673 --> 40:25.883[SPEAKER_01]: What, with the end product that you know, who would you say would be the directors that would be on your Mount Rushmore?40:26.335 --> 40:31.889[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's some people who I love the results and I don't think that, and I've heard horror stories about them.40:32.029 --> 40:33.412[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a tricky thing.40:33.432 --> 40:42.775[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I literally, my son's mental name is Wilder because of Billy Wilder because I think that Billy Wilder's movies, I mean, he is one of the,40:43.126 --> 40:45.910[SPEAKER_03]: geniuses and the giants of our thing.40:46.150 --> 40:48.252[SPEAKER_03]: I hear he wasn't that pleasant to be around.40:48.273 --> 40:57.885[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's a fun guy, but also that he could be really, he was very, uh, brusk, let's say.40:58.566 --> 41:00.668[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but by the same token.41:00.708 --> 41:07.216[SPEAKER_03]: So it's, for me, who would, there are people who I considered because Rob Reiner.41:07.236 --> 41:07.837[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.41:07.857 --> 41:08.458[SPEAKER_01]: You know.41:08.995 --> 41:14.923[SPEAKER_03]: Right, well, Rob Reiner is one of those people who, everyone has just lovely things to say about him.41:16.445 --> 41:17.967[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a tough thing.41:17.987 --> 41:21.972[SPEAKER_03]: I think that it's, you know, the movies that I love so much.41:21.992 --> 41:25.717[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm really admire Judd Abtau's filmmaking.41:25.757 --> 41:27.700[SPEAKER_03]: I think that he's a very humane filmmaker.41:27.760 --> 41:33.387[SPEAKER_03]: I think that his stories are extraordinarily, you know, there's no villains in his movies, really.41:33.667 --> 41:35.530[SPEAKER_03]: And that is something that I really respond to.41:35.610 --> 41:37.973[SPEAKER_03]: I really love that.41:37.953 --> 41:52.300[SPEAKER_03]: one of my favorite movies of all time ever is flirting with disaster, which is David O'Ressel, and I don't necessarily know if he's someone who's, like I like his filmography, but that one really resonates with me.41:52.685 --> 41:56.209[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's on my Mount Rushmore movie wise.41:56.950 --> 42:02.236[SPEAKER_03]: I think that Omile is maybe the greatest, one of the greatest movies of all time.42:03.217 --> 42:06.861[SPEAKER_03]: It's so whimsical, it's so heartfelt, it's so funny.42:07.943 --> 42:11.847[SPEAKER_03]: It's gorgeous to watch.42:12.808 --> 42:14.050[SPEAKER_03]: So I look at that.42:14.330 --> 42:15.992[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I would put42:16.242 --> 42:46.030[SPEAKER_03]: Geno and in my rush more because some of these movies are, you know, they're really tough to watch, you know, they're fun, but they're also really tough, but I, so I think that for me, it's all about the people who I look up to and whose careers I would want to emulate are the ones who like James Brooks or Albert Brooks, who are42:46.465 --> 43:02.279[SPEAKER_03]: who are unflinching in the way that they look at relationships, I also loved, again, talk about someone who we lost, wait really, Penny Marshall is someone who's work.43:02.740 --> 43:06.448[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's not a bad movie in her filmography.43:07.711 --> 43:16.712[SPEAKER_03]: and what she was, and again, very humane filmmaker, someone who absolutely cares about every person and there's no villain in it.43:16.732 --> 43:22.024[SPEAKER_03]: I love the movies of Robert's Amekas, so I think that43:22.156 --> 43:48.130[SPEAKER_03]: one of the discoveries that I had recently as someone said you should go watch used cars I had never seen a car with robbing wheels I think a Cadillac man uh it was the one of Robin Williams is the Cadillac man is the Robin Williams one with Tim Robbins yeah Tim Robbins and Robin Williams yeah use cars is um it's uh gosh43:48.464 --> 43:53.830[SPEAKER_03]: having a moment that you had, excuse me, that's a moment's happened to be a type.43:53.850 --> 43:58.835[SPEAKER_03]: The guy played Snake, Plystkin in the, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Russell.43:58.855 --> 43:59.195[SPEAKER_03]: Russell.43:59.656 --> 44:00.517[SPEAKER_03]: Curruscle, thank you.44:01.498 --> 44:14.151[SPEAKER_03]: Curruscle is in use cars, it's hilarious, it's absolutely absurd, but again, I, you know, I do, I love every single Zemekka's movie, I like, I like them all.44:14.131 --> 44:17.591[SPEAKER_03]: But some of them are in the absolute pantheon of all time.44:17.672 --> 44:21.373[SPEAKER_03]: Things I don't, I think that back to the future is a,44:22.315 --> 44:23.997[SPEAKER_03]: a perfect time capsule movie.44:24.017 --> 44:28.143[SPEAKER_03]: You could put that as an example of what everything we did write in movie making.44:28.443 --> 44:28.784[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.44:28.804 --> 44:31.448[SPEAKER_01]: Um, well, that's, that's what we said about Jet Appetal.44:31.468 --> 44:32.569[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, they're no villains.44:32.649 --> 44:36.815[SPEAKER_01]: And it, like, his stories, I think what would be really interesting.44:36.875 --> 44:38.337[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, his daughters are of the age.44:38.397 --> 44:38.898[SPEAKER_01]: I could do it.44:38.918 --> 44:45.707[SPEAKER_01]: This is 50 or a little bit older and be grandparents now, which I think that's a whole other level of, you know,44:45.687 --> 44:47.410[SPEAKER_01]: But here's Paul Rudd always looks so young.44:47.450 --> 44:49.113[SPEAKER_01]: Could you really buy him as a grand father?44:49.133 --> 44:49.914[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.44:49.954 --> 44:52.098[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that he's human.44:52.318 --> 44:55.624[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's probably an android that was create.44:55.644 --> 44:58.208[SPEAKER_03]: He's like the prototype android and he's perfect.44:58.228 --> 45:01.934[SPEAKER_03]: Like if that's what we get as an android, Paul Rudd bring him on.45:01.995 --> 45:02.956[SPEAKER_03]: I would more enjoy.45:02.976 --> 45:08.185[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the two of us that are like the ones in Alien and more like45:08.165 --> 45:09.646[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely, absolutely.45:09.686 --> 45:22.578[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think the outtakes from all jet app town movies are just fantastic because I think which great list of you is that, you know, the big mic and he's like, okay, he just feeding lines like try this out.45:22.658 --> 45:24.760[SPEAKER_01]: And they're all just like off the cuff just stuff.45:24.780 --> 45:27.042[SPEAKER_01]: He's thinking of like, they're all gems, you know?45:27.142 --> 45:31.406[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I'd found out the other day that my best friend doesn't like a command.45:31.426 --> 45:34.008[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, I've known him for almost 40 years now.45:34.088 --> 45:38.172[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how that relationship's gonna pan out,45:38.152 --> 45:40.316[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, but yeah, that's the thing about comedy.45:40.336 --> 45:58.287[SPEAKER_03]: That's one of the things that I really believe that you know, we have to give In this era, we really need to give grace to each other as much as possible because the world is trying to divide us and if comedy has one super power It's that it knocks us down a peg45:58.435 --> 46:03.862[SPEAKER_03]: in terms of our sense of like you can't take yourself too seriously.46:04.343 --> 46:09.770[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's that I think is the purpose of comedy is to show us that our lives are kind of ridiculous.46:10.151 --> 46:18.282[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember that the reason why I really is a film student wanted to make David Lynch type movies like that's who I was.46:18.302 --> 46:19.484[SPEAKER_03]: That was my hero at the time.46:20.084 --> 46:21.186[SPEAKER_03]: But it was having a baby.46:21.226 --> 46:22.688[SPEAKER_03]: And46:22.668 --> 46:29.898[SPEAKER_03]: the baby was, and this explosive diaper all over my arm.46:29.918 --> 46:35.846[SPEAKER_03]: I looked at this baby and I was like, I love you so much and you just coated me in poop.46:36.487 --> 46:42.735[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought, how can I take this life seriously when this beautiful, wonderful46:42.968 --> 46:52.981[SPEAKER_03]: human being, who I help bring into this world, just be fouled my shirt and everything else and looks up at me with this beatific smile afterwards.46:53.001 --> 46:55.244[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, this is what reality is.46:55.624 --> 47:04.516[SPEAKER_03]: So I stop taking life as a tragedy from that moment and I started looking for all the ways that life was beautiful and ridiculous.47:05.136 --> 47:10.343[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I lean into is like, and so that's where for me,47:11.977 --> 47:24.915[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think Richard Linklater is another person who's a very, you know, and so those are my hero heroes, so the people who inside and out are, are really trying to make the world a better place.47:24.975 --> 47:28.460[SPEAKER_03]: My dear friend Lynn Schaltzent who passed away.47:28.480 --> 47:29.401[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.47:29.421 --> 47:36.091[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I love listening to, because Mark Maranai, you would, of course, you know, talking about her.47:36.111 --> 47:39.115[SPEAKER_01]: I did a deep dive into watching47:39.095 --> 47:57.184[SPEAKER_01]: some of her films, they directed it, it was the sort of destiny, is that sort of, yeah, maybe that's right, you know, him talking about or turned me on it and watching and really, he's, oh, I've already seen her stuff and I didn't really put together, you know, but you said your friends, did you work with her on any project?47:57.265 --> 48:00.550[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, we were in Seattle at the same time coming up.48:00.810 --> 48:01.812[SPEAKER_03]: So,48:01.792 --> 48:10.028[SPEAKER_03]: she was an editor and I was a cinematographer and I shot a couple of her short films and she edited a couple of my early short films.48:11.070 --> 48:21.690[SPEAKER_03]: One with Sandra O that I did and and another one as well and and I was watched I mean honestly the inspiration for48:23.527 --> 48:41.940[SPEAKER_03]: both donor party obliquely but really home delivery came from a talk that I had with her when she had made a couple movies and I was like look I you know I'm getting my scripts option but I'm not having anything get made and how and I wanted to just get something made because it's so frustrating.48:41.920 --> 48:48.651[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can imagine so frustrating when somebody gets a hold of your script like well, they got the script now or it's even more aggravating.48:48.711 --> 48:58.166[SPEAKER_01]: I see people who have actually shot edited and the films in the can write it to go and it for whatever reasons not getting released and that has to be the most aflating feeling in the world.48:58.186 --> 49:01.111[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's an absolute, it's a heartbreaker.49:01.431 --> 49:05.498[SPEAKER_03]: So I just feel so grateful and that's when you realize that49:06.710 --> 49:17.529[SPEAKER_03]: You know, every day on set, I will, I always single out a department that did it before who went above and beyond and did something extraordinary.49:17.609 --> 49:19.292[SPEAKER_03]: And I'd start the days with gratitude.49:19.793 --> 49:23.280[SPEAKER_03]: And I just realized, because I didn't make a movie straight out of college.49:23.320 --> 49:27.327[SPEAKER_03]: I went and I lived a lot of life before I got to make my first movie.49:27.888 --> 49:28.549[SPEAKER_03]: And,49:28.867 --> 49:33.255[SPEAKER_03]: So every chance I get, I'm just so grateful for the opportunity.49:33.375 --> 49:40.268[SPEAKER_03]: And I, and I feel like when you come, and then I'm grateful to everyone who said yes to come on to my movie.49:40.669 --> 49:44.175[SPEAKER_03]: So I treat them with respect and love and, and,49:44.257 --> 49:57.654[SPEAKER_03]: gratitude that they're there, and I ask that, you know, they bring what they can do, you know, like I tell them the reason why they're in the movies, because I love their performances and something else that I've seen.49:58.657 --> 50:00.021[SPEAKER_03]: And so,50:00.001 --> 50:02.244[SPEAKER_03]: trust me that I know that you're amazing.50:02.624 --> 50:04.286[SPEAKER_03]: And so you don't have to prove that you're amazing.50:04.587 --> 50:09.152[SPEAKER_03]: I want you to lose yourself in this character and find this character and do amazing things with this.50:09.253 --> 50:12.156[SPEAKER_03]: But you don't have to impress me, just surprise and delight me.50:12.837 --> 50:15.400[SPEAKER_03]: Do the thing that will, you know, play.50:15.881 --> 50:16.261[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.50:16.682 --> 50:21.728[SPEAKER_03]: It's, and maybe it's because I'm a dad, you know, and then that's where I come from.50:21.988 --> 50:24.051[SPEAKER_03]: Well, how do you, how do you, how do you get it?50:24.031 --> 50:27.694[SPEAKER_03]: Well, my kids are now all like teenagers and over.50:28.735 --> 50:36.162[SPEAKER_01]: So, because you mentioned the explosive diaper thing and that's a story that I like to use when one of my kids needs to be knocked down a peg.50:36.202 --> 50:39.485[SPEAKER_01]: Like listen, you know, I remember being covered in your poop.50:39.505 --> 50:41.046[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I've done a couple things.50:42.588 --> 50:44.970[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but they're wondering, I got 23.50:45.751 --> 50:48.513[SPEAKER_01]: She just turned 23, 21, and my youngest is 20.50:48.973 --> 50:54.038[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I'm looking at them going, I look at those poop era.50:54.018 --> 50:58.242[SPEAKER_01]: I look at that and go, you know, people say when they turn 18, you stop, you know, they're off.50:58.282 --> 50:58.802[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know.50:58.842 --> 51:04.047[SPEAKER_01]: You're still, you're like, okay, how do I mentor in this phase of their life?51:04.187 --> 51:06.769[SPEAKER_01]: You know, does that give you inspiration?51:06.809 --> 51:16.858[SPEAKER_01]: You look at your kids besides the poop situation, of course, but does it give you any kind of, I did not just about them, but about where you are, you know, where the stories come from?51:16.878 --> 51:17.219[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.51:17.359 --> 51:22.303[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that's, to me, the joy of,51:22.283 --> 51:30.163[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that anything in life that you get for nothing is something that will leave a lasting impression on you.51:30.304 --> 51:36.078[SPEAKER_03]: I think you have to have earned the things that really land and shape who you are.51:36.439 --> 51:38.284[SPEAKER_03]: And so that can be a heartbreak.51:38.264 --> 51:42.895[SPEAKER_03]: that you learn, it's painful, but you learn from that.51:43.295 --> 51:48.868[SPEAKER_03]: You learn from your mistakes, you learn from all the things in life that will give you that give meaning.51:48.928 --> 51:54.501[SPEAKER_03]: And if someone hands you something like a car, you know, I had friends who got cars,51:54.481 --> 51:56.445[SPEAKER_03]: You know when they turned 16.51:56.465 --> 52:15.004[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, they would get into an accident and I didn't have that I had an uncle who taught auto shop and I bought the car that his class worked on for 500 bucks It lasted like a year and a half it was never gonna be something that was gonna last long time But man, I took care of that car because I was like52:15.558 --> 52:18.643[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I only had $500 to spend.52:18.764 --> 52:20.507[SPEAKER_03]: I had to make sure that this thing last.52:20.527 --> 52:21.528[SPEAKER_03]: I had to do all the stuff.52:21.969 --> 52:32.087[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that when you're personally invested in, and you have a connection to the investment, that life is just that much richer.52:32.227 --> 52:33.810[SPEAKER_03]: Those are the things that really matters.52:33.850 --> 52:38.478[SPEAKER_03]: So the investment just goes financially, but it's a time out of your life to make that thing happen.52:38.919 --> 52:39.760[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.52:39.993 --> 52:46.725[SPEAKER_03]: And there's no greater example than being a parent because you are putting in so many thankless years.52:47.547 --> 52:50.092[SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's true of any relationship.52:50.192 --> 52:55.642[SPEAKER_03]: If you are friends with someone, it takes work to stay friends the older you get.52:55.722 --> 53:01.613[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's one thing when you're going to school every day and you're on the bus together and it's easy and, but then,53:01.593 --> 53:03.076[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not transactional.53:03.096 --> 53:12.615[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, when you go through era as, you know, sometimes you're less available or more available, you're, you know, if you're lucky, you're going to the same thing at the same time and can come visit rate.53:13.336 --> 53:13.797[SPEAKER_01]: Right.53:13.817 --> 53:18.947[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like you mentioned the car thing, my best friend from high school, the one that doesn't like Anchorman, Roger.53:18.967 --> 53:19.909[SPEAKER_01]: I could be your listening.53:20.350 --> 53:20.470[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.53:20.490 --> 53:21.913[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they'd call him out.53:21.893 --> 53:24.236[SPEAKER_01]: But like there was a guy we went to high school with.53:24.256 --> 53:24.957[SPEAKER_01]: I got a brand new.53:25.037 --> 53:28.381[SPEAKER_01]: You remember the quite was it a LeBaron that convertible that was popular.53:28.461 --> 53:32.607[SPEAKER_01]: And he got it all tricked out with the ground effect.53:32.627 --> 53:39.996[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was money went into it is brand new and some of the guys on Friday and Saturday nights would do this thing out there is a phrase for it.53:40.016 --> 53:42.920[SPEAKER_01]: They would drive in Texas where I grew up.53:42.960 --> 53:48.407[SPEAKER_01]: They people would leave the garage doors open sometimes I guess for like a heat factor or whatever.53:48.387 --> 53:57.199[SPEAKER_01]: But people have the outside refrigerator often storing beer, so these high school kids drive the car in, really fast, get the beer out of the beer fridge and then back out.53:57.499 --> 54:00.303[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, stupid, it's illegal, you know.54:00.683 --> 54:08.173[SPEAKER_01]: But apparently he was doing that and the incline of the driveway was a little steep and he bought him dead out and cracked an axle or something like that.54:08.734 --> 54:10.156[SPEAKER_01]: See now, how many use that in a movie?54:10.336 --> 54:14.461[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, yeah, he, but his father got him a brand new car about a week later.54:14.722 --> 54:17.365[SPEAKER_01]: Another, I remember sucking my friend going,54:17.345 --> 54:24.195[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, we're like, we're looking, I was driving my Chevy Chevet and he's driving his used Chevrolet celebrity if you remember those.54:24.716 --> 54:29.924[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going, yeah, that not in a million years would happen in our families, even if they had the money.54:30.224 --> 54:32.448[SPEAKER_01]: But just hearing about that, it's like being a parent.54:32.468 --> 54:35.312[SPEAKER_01]: If I found out my son did that, it'd be like, well, you know something.54:36.013 --> 54:37.716[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know about that.54:37.736 --> 54:39.218[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're going to get another car.54:39.198 --> 54:46.108[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that, for me, those are the kinds of things that are, again, what are the relatable moments in life?54:46.549 --> 54:52.117[SPEAKER_03]: That's always where I always come at something from what is the thing that will connect.54:52.738 --> 54:59.788[SPEAKER_03]: If I can feel really passionately about it and I know that it's something that is a common thing and it's especially seen54:59.768 --> 55:04.755[SPEAKER_03]: The people around me, having those same conversations, I'm like, okay, there's gold in those hills.55:05.516 --> 55:05.616[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.55:05.636 --> 55:07.999[SPEAKER_03]: That's where that's what I care about.55:08.019 --> 55:14.008[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I try to focus on is finding the things that make us the ties together as people.55:14.208 --> 55:18.614[SPEAKER_03]: As different as our experiences may be, like, what are the things that we all care about?55:18.714 --> 55:21.999[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's the thing that I really love exploring.55:22.199 --> 55:27.126[SPEAKER_03]: And I think comedy is that's the way that it helps us break down our barriers.55:33.670 --> 55:35.554[SPEAKER_01]: Before I get going, I rapid fire.55:35.614 --> 55:40.723[SPEAKER_01]: I always do my seven questions, a little quick just final get to know you before you head out.55:41.044 --> 55:44.490[SPEAKER_01]: First question, I always ask, what's your favorite comfort food?55:45.873 --> 55:47.095[SPEAKER_01]: OK, it's going to sound weird.55:47.155 --> 55:47.937[SPEAKER_01]: Penang curry.55:48.337 --> 55:49.720[SPEAKER_01]: Penang curry?55:49.760 --> 55:54.008[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's, you know, that's, you know, Asian food often.55:54.511 --> 56:00.559[SPEAKER_03]: It's good and it's not, it's something that not a whole lot of people love.56:01.040 --> 56:03.062[SPEAKER_03]: So I usually get more of it when I order it.56:03.463 --> 56:05.165[SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm getting hungry, thinking about that.56:06.106 --> 56:11.914[SPEAKER_01]: Next question real quick, three people living or not, you're gonna sit down, talk story, have some coffee for a few hours.56:11.974 --> 56:15.899[SPEAKER_01]: Who would those three people be that you would like to sit down with?56:15.919 --> 56:18.763[SPEAKER_03]: Living or death, either, either.56:20.330 --> 56:23.697[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I would love to talk with Billy Wilder, I think he's an absolute genius.56:25.560 --> 56:33.756[SPEAKER_03]: I think lately, I would say, I would really want to sit down and talk with John Apteau.56:33.776 --> 56:36.321[SPEAKER_03]: I really hope that that's something I get to do in my life.56:37.103 --> 56:40.870[SPEAKER_03]: And boy.56:41.457 --> 56:50.831[SPEAKER_03]: The third, it's tough coming up with a third, because there's so many different kinds of things that I would love to talk with Oscar Wilde.56:51.512 --> 56:52.033[SPEAKER_01]: Very nice.56:52.073 --> 56:54.997[SPEAKER_01]: What would that be a good conversation between all four of y'all, certainly?56:55.718 --> 56:58.582[SPEAKER_01]: It's so great, it was such a genius.56:58.602 --> 56:59.344[SPEAKER_01]: Indeed, indeed.56:59.364 --> 57:05.693[SPEAKER_01]: Well, next question, I got for you celebrity crush when you were young man, who was the first celebrity crush you had.57:06.061 --> 57:11.267[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, the first celebrity crash was background from the, uh, the Batman.57:11.307 --> 57:12.028[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.57:12.048 --> 57:12.388[SPEAKER_03]: TV show.57:12.608 --> 57:12.949[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.57:13.369 --> 57:17.334[SPEAKER_03]: She, I was, I saw it in reruns after school.57:17.654 --> 57:23.541[SPEAKER_03]: And she was this brainy, redhead who also kick butt.57:23.681 --> 57:26.784[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm married as six, but this is a very redhead.57:27.885 --> 57:29.047[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, full circle.57:29.067 --> 57:34.633[SPEAKER_01]: Now next question, I got, if you're going to be on an exotic island for a year, somewhere you want to be, but there's no streaming.57:34.715 --> 57:47.487[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to watch a movie, you get one DVD, watch over and over again, same thing with a CD, one movie and what CD or box set would you bring to the island something you can listen to watch over and over again for a full year?57:49.749 --> 57:52.131[SPEAKER_03]: I would probably pick Rachel's the last arc.57:52.792 --> 57:54.314[SPEAKER_03]: What does that do you think it's a perk?57:54.554 --> 57:55.595[SPEAKER_03]: It is, it is, yeah.57:56.436 --> 57:59.198[SPEAKER_03]: In every way, Scott Romance has got everything else.57:59.599 --> 58:02.241[SPEAKER_03]: I would also say that58:03.385 --> 58:04.967[SPEAKER_03]: Music Lee boy.58:04.987 --> 58:06.769[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mentioned K-Bush.58:06.789 --> 58:08.651[SPEAKER_03]: I would say K-Bush is the central world.58:09.252 --> 58:09.933[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just go with that.58:10.494 --> 58:11.034[SPEAKER_03]: Very good.58:11.074 --> 58:12.436[SPEAKER_03]: Love it very good.58:12.456 --> 58:15.360[SPEAKER_03]: Really nice, but I would also pick so many other things.58:15.660 --> 58:17.803[SPEAKER_01]: I know I know it's hard.58:18.303 --> 58:20.566[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's like, I would get one of those.58:21.007 --> 58:22.569[SPEAKER_01]: This is the 80's CD's problem.58:23.790 --> 58:24.611[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.58:24.631 --> 58:25.612[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Brandon.58:25.632 --> 58:30.338[SPEAKER_01]: But now, if you're from STEM to Stern from time you get up to time you get a bed.58:30.318 --> 58:31.119[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect day.58:31.299 --> 58:34.303[SPEAKER_01]: What are the component parts of a perfect day?58:34.323 --> 58:36.326[SPEAKER_01]: These are all these things happen in sequence.58:36.346 --> 58:37.447[SPEAKER_01]: You're like perfect day.58:39.770 --> 58:45.197[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I love my family, so it would be time with my wife, time with my kids.58:45.798 --> 58:53.608[SPEAKER_03]: It's a delight when I have all my kids around, so the holidays are fantastic, because I have kids who are in college.58:54.348 --> 59:20.625[SPEAKER_03]: uh... i i love going to movies in matt nays i love going in when it when it's light and coming out when it's light and having that like blinking eyes i play with some friends that i wanted my best friends from college and another friend that we have we play some covers and some original music so i'd love to play there as well um...59:21.128 --> 59:27.364[SPEAKER_03]: Man, if I could end it with chocolate, flourless chocolate cake, I would do that in a heartbeat.59:27.384 --> 59:28.587[SPEAKER_03]: That's my favorite dessert.59:28.808 --> 59:30.211[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe with a little raspberry sauce?59:30.452 --> 59:31.274[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, chocolate.59:31.294 --> 59:32.337[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, yeah.59:32.798 --> 59:35.104[SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's a perfect day for me.59:35.911 --> 59:38.297[SPEAKER_01]: Well, anything into chocolate can't be half bad.59:39.099 --> 59:39.580[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.59:39.761 --> 59:41.385[SPEAKER_01]: And going to bed with my wife.59:41.405 --> 59:43.410[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't mean that I just mean in the same.59:43.490 --> 59:46.177[SPEAKER_01]: She's there, you're not on a, you're not filming somewhere.59:46.217 --> 59:47.901[SPEAKER_03]: You got the home, the perfect person.59:47.921 --> 59:48.803[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the best thing.59:48.864 --> 59:52.232[SPEAKER_03]: Filming in Los Angeles, I got to tell you, it was so great because I got just59:52.330 --> 59:53.131[SPEAKER_03]: I got to go home.59:53.272 --> 59:58.741[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody says that that's be able to drive to your house and have your home set up that I can identify with that.59:58.881 --> 01:00:03.129[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, question is if you weren't doing this for living and this wasn't an option for you.01:00:03.149 --> 01:00:04.992[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody said no writing direct and creative.01:00:05.032 --> 01:00:06.254[SPEAKER_01]: No, you can't do this anymore.01:00:06.294 --> 01:00:07.617[SPEAKER_01]: This doesn't exist for you.01:00:07.717 --> 01:00:10.441[SPEAKER_01]: What would be the number two of the functional long line of features?01:00:10.702 --> 01:00:12.445[SPEAKER_01]: So that's definitely what it would be.01:00:12.725 --> 01:00:13.647[SPEAKER_01]: I made a01:00:13.627 --> 01:00:14.349[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.01:00:14.389 --> 01:00:18.279[SPEAKER_01]: And the last question, if you are to jump in that delorean, go back to the back of the future.01:00:19.081 --> 01:00:27.201[SPEAKER_01]: You can cruise back to 16-year-old you for a few minutes to where you can hang out and give a piece of advice to make that moment a little bit better, maybe get on a little different track.01:00:27.782 --> 01:00:30.910[SPEAKER_01]: What piece of advice would you offer 16-year-old you?01:00:32.020 --> 01:00:35.525[SPEAKER_03]: I'm definitely start taking monoxidil in the moment it appears on the market.01:00:38.509 --> 01:00:40.753[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's I missed my hair man.01:00:40.773 --> 01:00:54.052[SPEAKER_01]: I got to tell you I started going when I was 25 and it's like I'm there with you, but you know, it's a lot less work, you know, uh, because I look at my daughter who's getting highlights low light color as this said, I'm like, yeah, I'm, you know, yeah, it's my own story.01:00:54.072 --> 01:00:56.796[SPEAKER_01]: No, I missed my hair for just very, that's the thing.01:00:56.776 --> 01:00:59.722[SPEAKER_01]: Well, my friend has been a it's been a pleasure.01:00:59.922 --> 01:01:09.942[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoy the opportunity to You know share some share a few minutes with you, but I appreciate hopefully we'll have a chance to catch up down the line But best of luck on the new film and look forward to seeing it.01:01:10.202 --> 01:01:11.545[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much appreciate it01:01:13.263 --> 01:01:18.628[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there you go, Tom Harp always cool to sit down with the people behind the scenes.01:01:18.768 --> 01:01:23.032[SPEAKER_01]: The directors, the producers, the writers, and it's cool if they're all three.01:01:23.413 --> 01:01:26.055[SPEAKER_01]: And Tom is the new film again.01:01:26.095 --> 01:01:27.617[SPEAKER_01]: It is available right now.01:01:27.697 --> 01:01:29.719[SPEAKER_01]: It is called Home Delivery.01:01:29.939 --> 01:01:31.681[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty much anything rain Wilson is in.01:01:31.741 --> 01:01:32.622[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to see.01:01:33.022 --> 01:01:39.388[SPEAKER_01]: Also, as I mentioned before, donor party, that came out, I think, 2023, and it's with01:01:39.368 --> 01:01:41.793[SPEAKER_01]: Robcordry, which really interesting.01:01:41.813 --> 01:01:53.860[SPEAKER_01]: I realize spoke with Robcordry a few weeks ago Also spoke with Megan Rath last week who is in a show with Rob and we're talking about Rob again So this is sort of like the Robcordry era.01:01:54.240 --> 01:01:55.643[SPEAKER_01]: We got into for a moment.01:01:55.744 --> 01:01:57.748[SPEAKER_01]: So hi Rob, if you're listening01:01:57.728 --> 01:01:58.749[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so there you go.01:01:58.809 --> 01:02:07.040[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get on out of here, but before I do, I wanted to remind you to go to story and craft pod.com, the website, everything you want to know about the show.01:02:07.060 --> 01:02:07.681[SPEAKER_01]: It's right there.01:02:07.921 --> 01:02:12.207[SPEAKER_01]: But on your podcast app and we're on all of them, make sure to follow the show.01:02:12.527 --> 01:02:13.989[SPEAKER_01]: Leave a like, leave a review.01:02:14.009 --> 01:02:20.057[SPEAKER_01]: It does help people to find the show, plus if you follow it, you get a little notification every time a new episode rolls out.01:02:20.037 --> 01:02:27.075[SPEAKER_01]: So 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