Thomas Jane | From “The Expanse” to Prime Video’s “Play Dirty” | Throwing Dreams Into Space

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Thomas Jane: You walk into a

little grocery shop in uh, France,

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and you get the best chocolate.

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You know, it's just like they,

when they make something,

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they make it right out here.

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I don't know what the hell they put in it.

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It's awful.

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Announcer: Welcome to Story Craft.

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Now here's your host, Marc Preston.

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Hey, how's it

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Marc Preston: going?

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It's Marc Preston back again,

another episode of Story and Draft.

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If this is your very first

episode, well welcome.

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Thank you so much for stopping by.

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Uh, hey, if you've been

here before, thank you.

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I know it's been a few weeks.

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It's been a moment.

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I know, I know.

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Uh, don't be too mad.

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I had a big project I had to get put to

bed and locked down, and it is finished.

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So Yay.

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You and I get to spend more time together,

and that's really where I wanna be.

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Just you and I here together, and

of course, with our guest today,

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the talented actor Thomas Jane.

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I mean, you know, Thomas, he's,

he's been around a, a long time

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constellation of really cool projects.

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Uh, he, uh, of course was in The Expanse.

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If you've listened to the show, you know,

I love The Expanse, my son and I, uh,

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Zachary and I, uh, it's one of our shows.

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He's also been in, uh, HBO's Hung

and, uh, Troppo, which is a cool show.

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I, I, I knew it was out there, I just

hadn't had a chance to check it out.

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After, uh, chatting with Thomas, I

went already been through the first.

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Season and a half I think.

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Uh, enjoy it.

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Shot in Australia.

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Uh, in the last year, I think this

is like my fourth show I've gotten

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into that's produced in Australia.

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They do some, uh, great TV in Australia.

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In fact, in fact, I

would love to say hello.

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I know there's a lot, uh, uh, folks

checking out the show in Australia.

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I don't know if there's something in

the water, uh, besides crocodiles.

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I don't know.

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Uh, but I have a lot of folks checking in.

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Uh, you know, and I think outside

of the us uh, I think that's where.

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We have a, a phenomenal amount

of folks checking us out.

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So, hey, if you're in Melbourne, Brisbane,

uh, Sydney, Perth, wherever you happen

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to be, uh, gold Coast, which I really

would love to check out one day, uh,

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thank you so much for, uh, stopping by.

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So, hello Australia.

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Uh, and of course you may remember,

I mean, if you go all the way back, I

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mean, he was like in Boogie Nights in 97.

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Uh, of course he was in that film

with Marc Wahlberg, who is in

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his new film called Play Dirty.

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It is on Amazon Prime Video.

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Uh, you can check it out right now.

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You know, Thomas, uh, really

enjoyed chatting with him.

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Uh, do me a favor, by the way, if

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So let's jump into it today.

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Uh, really enjoyed this conversation.

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We talked about everything from chocolate

to aliens to, you know, great authors.

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I mean, we just covered a lot of ground.

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I mean, this is a guy I would sit down

and just love to have a beer with one day.

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So, uh, he's, he's one

of those cool dudes.

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You just wanna sit down with kind

of one of those guys who's, who's

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got some great stories to tell and,

uh, is just a great storyteller.

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So, uh, let's get after it today.

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It's Thomas Jane Day right

here on Story and Craft.

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03:26 Thomas Jane's Early Life and Career Beginnings

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Where are you joining me from today?

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Thomas Jane: I'm in,

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Marc Preston: uh, silver

Lake, uh, Los Angeles.

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Is that your original home base,

or did you, uh, find your way to

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LA from, uh, points elsewhere?

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Thomas Jane: I came in from Maryland.

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I grew up in the sticks of Maryland, um,

outside of dc about an hour outside of dc.

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Left home at an early age and,

uh, drove across the country.

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I didn't have any money, so I figured

it would be warmer on the west coast.

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You know, I wanted to go to acting school

and there was one in New York and one,

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and there was one in LA that I liked.

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And, and so I came out here so I

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Marc Preston: I hear the food is good

in, in Maryland, you know, the crabs.

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Being close to dc Were any of your

parents in the DC machine at all, or?

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No.

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My dad was into

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Thomas Jane: microbiology.

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He got into it early.

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He the seventies.

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So, uh.

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That's basically the hub of

the, uh, microbiology, you know,

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NHI and all that's over there.

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Okay.

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So that's basically why we were there.

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He started a couple of companies,

you know, working in Biogenetics.

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Marc Preston: Did you have any

siblings that also chose kind of the

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path you did or they go the nor were

they more into the sites, things like

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Thomas Jane: that?

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No, they're all kind of normies.

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Yeah.

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I'm the oldest, um, of six really.

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Uh, I've got four brothers and

I had a sister, but she's dead.

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And, um.

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It's just like a mess of boys and

they're all, most of them are out here.

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Three brothers are out here and

one of them is back east, near

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close to my mom and pop, which is

good 'cause they're getting on.

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Marc Preston: Right.

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Well, so they ended up out, uh, out west.

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Jesus kind of set the template and

like, okay, big brothers going.

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I

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Thomas Jane: guess I did.

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Yeah.

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They all kind of followed me out here

after a few years, you know, I mean,

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I left, they were still in school,

but you know, when they got out they

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decided the west coast might not be

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Marc Preston: bad.

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I'm trying to remember the first

time you kind of came into my.

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Uh, we're I boogie nights?

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Definitely.

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And here you are making a return.

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Was there any, uh, you and Marc Wahlberg?

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Did y'all have any kind

of like right play?

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Did y Yeah, we did.

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How?

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Wow.

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On like, okay man, look at

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Thomas Jane: all the years we did and

we told, we told some good stories.

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Um, that was fun.

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That was really fun.

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Reuniting with Wahlberg.

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Uh, and we got to hang out for a few days.

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And of course, I love Shane Black, so.

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Anything he asked me to do, I'll do it.

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Marc Preston: Um, yeah, that was

that first movie that everybody

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kinda looked at, uh, Marcy Marc and

go, yeah, yeah, he is got the chops.

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Okay.

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He can do this thing.

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I mean, well, he had

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Thomas Jane: a great director.

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Oh yeah.

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Paul Thomas, and he's good.

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Uh, he's great, you know,

but old Marc is, he's solid.

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He does his thing and, uh,

he does it really well.

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Marc Preston: Yeah.

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Paul Thomas Anderson is somebody who

just really did, did he, didn't he direct

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Magnolia as well, or am I imagining

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Thomas Jane: that?

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Okay.

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He, he did.

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I was supposed to play

two parts in Magnolia.

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Um, I played one as the,

uh, game show host dressed.

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They put a bunch of

prosthetics on me to be older.

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And then, um, I was supposed to

play another small role in a,

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in a, i, I was like at a craps

table or something, or gambling.

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Then I got a chance to work with,

um, gene Hackman and Morgan Freeman

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on a little movie in Puerto Rico.

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So I had to take that, I had to jump

onto that, uh, that, and have that just

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as an actor to work with those two guys.

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I knew I was gonna learn a hell of a

lot just watching those guys of things.

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And I did.

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That's

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Marc Preston: you've had an opportunity

to really have a nice constellation of

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different, very notable folks that Yeah.

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You know, you've had a chance to be, uh,

you know, when you make decisions on what

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projects to take, is it, is it, mm-hmm.

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Do you, do you look at that, go,

okay, who's working on this thing?

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I, you know, I wanna work with them.

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Is that a factor ever, or, oh,

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Thomas Jane: absolutely.

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That's a big factor.

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Who you're working with, uh, who's

directing the thing and who the,

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who are the actors you get a chance

to work with, which I've been lucky

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and, you know, worked with, uh.

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Some of the greats and I've got to bounce

around, you know, uh, I'm a character

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actor really, and, uh, you know, I've got,

I feel like I've gotten the opportunity

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to play a lot of leading roles, which

is great, but at heart I'm a character

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actor and, uh, I can, you know, I'm not

the kind of guy that you just kind of

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know who he is From the poster I, I've,

I've, I can kind of blend into different

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characters and I've always enjoyed that.

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You know, that's from the

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Marc Preston: very beginning.

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That's one of the things I love when

I, when I talk to folks, I always.

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Uh, really enjoy the folks that are

always working and they're always,

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you know, you're just glad to

see 'em when they show up because

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something's gonna be kind of cool.

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And I, like, I was, uh, talking to

my son, I was talking, be talking

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to Thomas Jane and he is like, oh

yeah, he's guy from The Expanse.

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Right.

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They're like the expanses, my son

and I, that's our show, you know?

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And that was Oh, great.

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I you're, you actually

talked to show Ray Alu.

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You're the second Expanse chat

I've had and, uh, ah, she's great.

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Yeah.

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Terrific.

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She's kind of a unique badass,

just, she's just so cool.

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She sure is.

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Um, but you, one of a kind, you know,

for those who have not seen the expanse,

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little spoiler may be coming, but the,

I wanna know, when they came to you

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or when the project came to you, did

you understand what it was gonna be?

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Or did you 'cause it, it's, it's a little.

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You know, I don't wanna give too much

away for those who still haven't seen

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it, you know, but you're, you're, you're

there, but you're not there, you know?

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Was it easy to kind of see where

it was going or was it kind of

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Thomas Jane: that They're based on

a series of wonderful books and,

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uh, so we followed the story of

the books fairly, uh, religiously.

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You know, we have to

turn it into television.

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But, uh, we had a terrific crew of

writers and wonderful producers, and

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we knew from the beginning that we

wanted to make something special.

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We just happened to catch the sci-fi

channel at a period where they felt like

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they needed to do more premier stuff.

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Pristine.

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In other words, they wanted to

spend some money on a show, right?

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'cause they wanted to

elevate their channel.

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So we happened to get the money.

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My agents told me not to do it

because it's the sci-fi channel.

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Um, but I believed in the crew.

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I believed in the group, you know, uh,

Marc Fergus and Hawk Osby, um, who wrote

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Children of Men, uh, iron Man, you know,

and, and a lot of other great stuff.

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Um, I thought, and the books

were terrific and I love a film

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noir and b. Science fiction.

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Mm-hmm.

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So to be able to combine the two was,

um, a real dream for me to even jump.

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Even your, your character was

a little bit of a throwback

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Marc Preston: in, in, in a way.

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It seems like you, there was a

little, uh, to the old detective

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vibe, you know, from back in the day.

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It seems like you were kind

of like embracing a little,

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like you said, the film noir.

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I kind of felt that, but I mean, it

was like you were the one through line.

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Mm-hmm.

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I mean, I am geeking out a little

bit on The Expanse thing 'cause it is

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one show that I just, one of the few

shows I'm like, please have a sequel.

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You know, or, or a right to make

that happen to be just monumental.

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I know, but, um, but you were kind

of the through line, you were sort

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of, there was almost like a narrative

nature, like when you showed up,

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you were connecting to mm-hmm.

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Your roots were all over the every stage.

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You know,

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Thomas Jane: they collide, they're two

different worlds and they eventually

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collide and then merge into one.

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Um, I think the books are.

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You cut above, you know, if anybody's

into reading sci-fi, I mean, you

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haven't checked out The Expanse.

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You definitely should.

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Especially the first

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Marc Preston: three.

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Yeah.

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I think the air apparent to that

vibe is the, uh, on the Apple tv.

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The uh, uh, uh, foundation, I

think kind of, kind of captures a

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little bit of that kind of mm-hmm.

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Out, you know?

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Yeah.

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I told my son, I was like, yeah,

I'm look really looking forward.

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I gotta ask him some expanse questions.

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So I gotta say, that was cool.

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I loved your character and the,

and the, the, I wanted to keep

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the hat, by the way, the, the hat.

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I do

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Thomas Jane: have the hat.

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Yes.

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I did take that home.

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I took the hat tonight.

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Got a, I got a, a gun

around here too, somewhere.

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Marc Preston: I always wonder,

do you keep stuff from films?

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Uh, is that like there's

a piece of wardrobe?

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I mean, do you, do you, do you battle

the people in the wardrobe department

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going, I really want this stuff.

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From the,

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Thomas Jane: from the ones that you

know, mean something and I feel like

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we, uh, did a great job then, uh,

I always take something that, of

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the character, you know, usually.

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Prop, um, with the expense.

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It definitely had to have that and

they were happy to give it to me.

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And, uh, you know, other shows, like,

uh, when I played Mickey Mantle in

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61, I've got my jersey, um, for that,

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Marc Preston: I got a couple of things

from The Punisher, you know, Mickey

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Mantle, I grew up in Dallas, and he

was, you know, there he was, he, he, he

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liked the drink from what I understand.

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So he would occasion my father would run

into him in different establishments.

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And so I have this box and I have a

number of Mickey Mantle autographs,

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you know, bar napkins, things,

you know, made out to me, right.

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I'm sitting there going,

and you just reminded me.

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I ne I want to go to a framing

place, get a picture of, you

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know, do kind of a cool frame.

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'cause I have all these Mickey Mantle.

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Oh, autographs.

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Yeah, you gotta do that.

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And he had such a unique,

uh, that's terrific.

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You know, it's kind of funny 'cause with

my signature, I didn't realize Right.

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To make our s similarly, I don't

know, it's just kind of a weird,

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Thomas Jane: you know, years after

he was a ball player, him and, uh,

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him and his two sons would sit around

a dining room table with a big box

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of baseballs and they would, um, all

three of them sign the Mickey Mantle

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signature and dump 'em into another box.

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Yeah.

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And then at every ball that went in,

there'd be like 20 bucks, 20 bucks, 20

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bucks, and they'd fill up a cardboard box

full of, uh, Mickey Mantle, uh, baseball.

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So when you're, you know, buying a

Mickey Mantle baseball and apparently

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the experts can tell the difference,

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Marc Preston: God, I saw

that a movie not long ago.

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Funny is like an athlete's kind

of on the, uh, back end of their

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career and that's kind of how

they're, you know, making the money.

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But what was it, you know, is that

for you playing someone, because

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you said character act, you're

used to really morphing and doing

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a reMarcably good job of it.

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But here you are playing a real dude

who had a real life and people know him.

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What was it like, you're playing,

you know, Mickey Mantle was it,

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was there like, are you gonna go

and do the research and, you know,

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talk to the people who knew him?

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I mean, how did you get that, uh, how

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Thomas Jane: did you

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Marc Preston: prepare

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Thomas Jane: for that?

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Absolutely.

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You do everyth everything and anything

you possibly can to as learn as much as

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you possibly can in the time that you

have, uh, before you, uh, start shooting,

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when you're building the character.

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And the thing that helped me the most

was working with Reggie Smith, who was a

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number two switch hitter behind mantle.

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Um, a a great baseball player

and, uh, and a truly great coach.

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You know, he, he's coach,

he coaches, and he's.

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Coached for years, I'm

sure he is still at it.

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Um, and he taught me how to swing like

mantle from both sides of the plate,

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you know, and I was out there every

day and it was some of the best times

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of my life learning how to play ball.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then, um, shooting

the movie, playing mantle.

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That was a particularly, um, I have fond

memories of, uh, of all that and very

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proud of the way the movie turned out.

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We got inducted into the

baseball Hall of Fame 61 did.

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Really?

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I didn't know that.

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Yeah.

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We went to Cooperstown and

had the ceremony with Billy.

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It was, it

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Marc Preston: was really fun.

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You know, it's so funny.

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Uh, I had, uh, this is one

of my favorite stories.

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I do a lot of voiceover in half for

many years, and I, uh, the, the back

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in 2003, they reached out to me.

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There's a producer who's doing this

big project for the Hall of Fame.

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He said, we want you to narrate it.

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The Hall of Fame wants James Earl

Jones because they're doing some kind

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of induction because of the movies.

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And they, they thought of, you

know, he said, I just don't think

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James Earl Jones is right for this.

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He's like, are you choosing

me over Darth Vader?

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Really?

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It's like, yeah.

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I was like, that is, that is so trippy.

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And then my grandfather, who was,

who's not in good, uh, he wasn't

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in good health and he didn't really

understand exactly what I did.

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And I flew back to Dallas and I

got my laptop and I got the video.

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That producer sent me the video

and he is like, oh, now I, okay,

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now he kinda gets it, you know?

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I say, Hey, your grandson's

in the Hall of Fame.

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I went in the most weird way possible,

but I've always wanted to go and I

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wanted to go see the project that we did.

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And I just really, I'm, yeah,

I'm a big, I'm a big baseball

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nerd of the, of the history.

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Big Mel.

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Big Nolan.

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Thomas Jane: Right.

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Okay.

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Well, you would love it.

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Cooperstown is beautiful.

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It's just like a throwback

1950s little town in New York.

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It's so cool.

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Marc Preston: Now, were you

a sporting kid growing up?

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Were you doing the, uh, athletic

thing or were you I played

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Thomas Jane: football.

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We didn't have any baseball,

which is, um, depressing because.

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And I was, I was being coached by Reggie.

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He, he told me one day toward the end,

he said, you know, if your dad had

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started you when you were four years

old, the way all these ball players,

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he goes, you could have had a shot.

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Really?

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You've got that thing that I can't teach.

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And that, uh, that meant a lot to me.

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What were you playing in football?

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What was, what was your position?

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I was like a tight end and a de

and a defensive end, you know?

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Yeah.

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I was, and it wasn't fast enough

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Marc Preston: and, you

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Thomas Jane: know, it was high

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Marc Preston: school football.

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Yeah.

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I, I was kinda the same way.

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I got to that point where I hurt my

knee and the doctor was like, is so

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we do this, a lateral release, little,

little tiny orthoscopic procedure

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in your back playing football.

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I'm like, listen, I'm not that good.

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You know, I'm actually B team at

best, you know, and, uh, you know,

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this is, and everybody's become way

faster than me, so this is not funny.

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Thomas Jane: Um, yeah, I almost

broke my neck on playing football.

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I was like in, in bed for like two weeks

'cause I've really messed my neck up.

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Uh, you know, and during a play,

they, it was one of those things

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where I, they had to bring in the

stretcher and pull me out and all that.

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Yeah, it was horrible when they

put me on all these terrible muscle

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relaxants and it just was awful.

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It was, the whole thing was, uh, bad.

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And this is back when

you were in high school?

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Yeah.

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Playing high school football.

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And we played for keeps, we were,

we were scrappy kids, you know,

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people were always getting our, you

know, we, this is back in the day,

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this is, you know, in the eighties.

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Mm-hmm.

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You could, you know, when

people, people played football.

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I mean, it was tough.

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Oh yeah.

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We were playing teams that were,

you know, from, they were, um, you

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know, eating cows for breakfast

and, you know, they came from the.

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It came from out in the farmland.

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I mean, we were playing some

really mean looking teams.

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It was amazing.

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You know, so did that kind of,

as high school boys get huge,

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Marc Preston: see?

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Oh yeah, yeah.

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That, that, that, that was

kind of the thing I was seeing.

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I was going, yeah, I'm not, I'm not

gonna be able to compete against this.

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This is not my, this is not my zone.

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Uh, but was that, that kind of

precipitate the, the move into

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the theatrical side of things?

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Were you doing the theater in high

school or was it just kinda a Yeah, I

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Thomas Jane: was also messing

around with the art kids.

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And I love, I love the art kids.

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You know, I was an outsider.

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I've always been an outsider.

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I got put into school late.

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Um, so I was sort of a, the stranger, you

know, we moved to a new town, I was eight.

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And I, I just have never fit in

with, uh, with people, which is,

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you know, depressing at times.

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But I'm also okay with it.

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I, I'm just terrible in a crowd or at a

party or, you know, thi things like that.

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And it hasn't really gotten any

better as I've gotten older.

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It's just, I'm just not,

I'm just an outsider.

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And, uh, and the advantage of being an

outsider is that you become an observer.

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Mm-hmm.

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Thomas Jane: Um, not participating

in the, uh, insanity that humans do.

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I mean, I'd, I'd love to, it, it sounds,

it looks great, you know, everybody's

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laughing and being stupid and, uh, and,

and nobody can remember what the hell

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they were talking about the next day.

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Um, but, uh, I'm, I've just, it

made me an ob an observer of, uh.

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Human nature, uh, and society.

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And, uh, it gets me thinking

about that, that kind of thing.

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I spend an awful long, too much

time contemplating the future of

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human society where we're going.

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Can we, what would it take to sort of

transform us into a sustainable, um,

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coherent society with an actual, um.

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Common purpose,

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Marc Preston: you know, things like that.

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I feel you 110% on that.

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Yeah.

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In fact, you know, doing what you do,

I, I identify you have to almost be a

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little bit of a extroverted introvert

because you'd have to find yourself

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in different situations, but you have

to have that recharge moment with you.

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Thomas Jane: It's been tough.

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That's been tough.

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Yeah.

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That's probably the hardest thing

for me is, um, you know, is the,

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uh, the people aspect of it all.

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I, I could probably make great

movies with AI on my computer,

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um, but no, as an actor, you have

to perform in front of people.

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Uh, I, I, I took a lot of training for me.

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You know, I knew that I needed a lot of

actors that you've, they have natural

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talent and they can, like my daughter,

she, she's trained, she's gone to school.

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Um, but she is natural talent and she

can get up in front of people and.

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Do her thing.

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But I had to go to school for a long time

to just learn how to stand up on stage

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Marc Preston: in front

of other human beings.

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Now was all your training in Los

Angeles or were you, did you kick

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it off, uh, back in Maryland?

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Thomas Jane: Yeah.

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Well, I was in the high

school, uh, theater department.

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That was my first play.

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I was actually building the sets, um,

for the high school play, because that's

491

21:36 ,615 --> 00:21:38,655

what the art kids did, the art nerds.

492

21:38 ,985 --> 00:21:43,155

We, we painted the sets and built

them, and it was so much fun.

493

21:43 ,155 --> 00:21:48,074

It was, you know, after school it gave,

we had a great group of nerdy kids.

494

21:48 ,705 --> 00:21:53,625

Um, and, but then I was always cutting

up and playing practical jokes and

495

21:53 ,625 --> 00:22:00,044

stuff, and so they, they, um, we, we

cocked this, we hatched this plan to, uh.

496

22:01 ,379 --> 00:22:04,500

Destroy the set in the middle of the show.

497

22:04 ,500 --> 00:22:08,340

We were gonna sort of rope attach

it to, to ropes and pull the whole

498

22:08 ,340 --> 00:22:09,810

set down in the middle of the show.

499

22:09 ,810 --> 00:22:13,740

We thought it would be hilarious,

but we needed an inside man.

500

22:13 ,740 --> 00:22:19,889

We needed a guy on stage to, to affect

this elaborate plan that we cooked up.

501

22:20 ,429 --> 00:22:21,990

So that was gonna be me.

502

22:22 ,020 --> 00:22:26,070

So I was like, you need to go and

audition and get a part in that play

503

22:26 ,580 --> 00:22:28,919

and then we'll have our inside man.

504

22:28 ,919 --> 00:22:34,139

And so I did and I got a part in

the play, which probably wasn't

505

22:34 ,139 --> 00:22:35,919

too difficult, but, but, uh.

506

22:36 ,855 --> 00:22:40,965

So as I rehearsed this thing,

it was a vaudeville sketch.

507

22:40 ,995 --> 00:22:46,905

We, it was a night of old time vaudeville

sketches that our wonderful, uh, Mr.

508

22:46 ,905 --> 00:22:52,245

Brodsky, our drama department

and English teacher put together.

509

22:52 ,575 --> 00:22:56,445

And we got to learn all of these

fantastic old vaudeville acts.

510

22:56 ,985 --> 00:23:00,705

And the one that I, uh, learned

was called Niagara Falls, which

511

23:00 ,705 --> 00:23:02,355

is a brilliant little skit.

512

23:03 ,105 --> 00:23:07,155

And it, it was a very famous vaudeville

act that people did all over the country

513

23:07 ,155 --> 00:23:09,495

and all little theaters and big theaters.

514

23:10 ,035 --> 00:23:13,425

Um, I, uh.

515

23:13 ,875 --> 00:23:15,315

Was it Laurel and Hardy?

516

23:15 ,585 --> 00:23:17,505

So a couple of famous guys did it.

517

23:18 ,135 --> 00:23:23,625

Um, anyway, so that was my thing, and

as I, you know, was rehearsing this

518

23:23 ,625 --> 00:23:25,875

thing, I just got more and more into it.

519

23:25 ,875 --> 00:23:28,545

And by the time opening night

came, I said, you know what fellas?

520

23:28 ,545 --> 00:23:31,005

This whole like, poll and the

set down thing that's off.

521

23:31 ,125 --> 00:23:33,705

Marc Preston: Yeah, I was about to

say, I a feeling once you kind of

522

23:33 ,705 --> 00:23:37,480

get into it, once you start like, you

know, uh, becoming a part of it, I

523

23:37 ,480 --> 00:23:40,305

Thomas Jane: wanna do this, I wanna do

this, uh, this scene in front of people.

524

23:40 ,755 --> 00:23:41,565

And we did.

525

23:41 ,565 --> 00:23:44,595

And uh, and I just had such a great time.

526

23:44 ,595 --> 00:23:50,055

I thought, okay, I, I know what, I know

what I wanna do with my life and um, and

527

23:50 ,055 --> 00:23:51,915

now I don't need to go to school anymore.

528

23:51 ,945 --> 00:23:52,035

Mm-hmm.

529

23:52 ,275 --> 00:23:55,665

Because isn't cool to, to like train

you to do stuff with your life.

530

23:55 ,665 --> 00:23:56,775

It's like, I got this covered.

531

23:56 ,775 --> 00:23:57,945

So I dropped outta high school.

532

24:05 ,055 --> 00:24:07,245

Marc Preston: So you made that

commitment to yourself, like,

533

24:07 ,245 --> 00:24:08,355

this is the, this is my thing.

534

24:08 ,445 --> 00:24:12,615

Thomas Jane: Dropped outta high

school and, uh, my mom found a, uh,

535

24:12 ,735 --> 00:24:15,315

an acting class in Bethesda, Maryland.

536

24:15 ,495 --> 00:24:18,975

And so I started taking the

train down to Bethesda every day.

537

24:18 ,975 --> 00:24:22,785

And with these adults, I was the youngest

kid in the class, but it was a full-time

538

24:22 ,785 --> 00:24:25,125

class, you know, it was five days a week.

539

24:25 ,125 --> 00:24:28,125

And so your folks embraced

your, uh, your new founder?

540

24:28 ,425 --> 00:24:30,015

No, they absolutely hated it.

541

24:30 ,015 --> 00:24:33,075

They thought I'd gone insane,

but I refused to go to school.

542

24:33 ,075 --> 00:24:34,005

So what are they gonna do?

543

24:34 ,740 --> 00:24:37,620

I was 16, 15, I think I was 15.

544

24:37 ,620 --> 00:24:38,399

Yeah, really,

545

24:38 ,460 --> 00:24:39,360

Marc Preston: I, I had the same thing.

546

24:39 ,360 --> 00:24:42,540

I knew I wanted to do, like, work

in radio and I'd started when I was

547

24:42 ,540 --> 00:24:45,780

in high school, uh, working, you

know, doing pretty okay actually.

548

24:45 ,840 --> 00:24:48,030

And I went to college going,

what, what am I doing here?

549

24:48 ,030 --> 00:24:50,699

Because I already am doing the

thing I want to do, you know?

550

24:51 ,030 --> 00:24:53,340

So I understand that restless

thing when you're doing, you

551

24:53 ,399 --> 00:24:54,300

know, what you want to do.

552

24:54 ,300 --> 00:24:54,480

And

553

24:54 ,689 --> 00:24:56,820

Thomas Jane: look, if you

know what you wanna do, do it.

554

24:57 ,210 --> 00:24:57,720

Okay?

555

24:57 ,720 --> 00:25:00,780

And school is only going

to turn you into a monkey.

556

25:01 ,560 --> 00:25:05,879

Don't un unless you're really into

being a doctor or a physicist,

557

25:05 ,909 --> 00:25:10,679

or a mathematician or something

that requires serious training.

558

25:11 ,550 --> 00:25:17,250

Um, then school is great and find the

best people and, and soak it up, you know?

559

25:17 ,760 --> 00:25:24,510

But if you got some other ideas, if that's

not where your talent lies, then um.

560

25:24 ,929 --> 00:25:28,980

School is meant to create

workers out of people.

561

25:29 ,040 --> 00:25:33,840

And this is an open letter from the

Rockefeller, uh, himself, uh, to

562

25:33 ,840 --> 00:25:38,460

the president back in the back when

industrialization was just kicking in.

563

25:38 ,460 --> 00:25:40,230

And it's right there in black and white.

564

25:40 ,590 --> 00:25:41,850

You can read it on the internet.

565

25:42 ,120 --> 00:25:44,429

We need a nation of workers.

566

25:44 ,520 --> 00:25:44,639

Mm-hmm.

567

25:45 ,000 --> 00:25:51,270

And he, he said, I suggest we adopt,

adopt the Prussian school system because

568

25:51 ,270 --> 00:25:56,399

in Prussia they were having this horrible

problem where every few years there

569

25:56 ,399 --> 00:25:58,560

would be a revolt and a revolution.

570

25:59 ,010 --> 00:26:02,730

And they figured out that the older

kids were teaching the younger kids

571

26:02 ,730 --> 00:26:04,379

what was wrong with the country.

572

26:04 ,530 --> 00:26:07,470

So they then the, when the,

when the younger kids got old

573

26:07 ,470 --> 00:26:08,730

enough, they would revolt.

574

26:09 ,600 --> 00:26:14,550

So what they did was they

separated everybody by age.

575

26:15 ,074 --> 00:26:20,114

And then they gave them a master who would

punish them, and they conditioned these

576

26:20 ,114 --> 00:26:26,715

children to do meaningless work, uh, to

keep them occupied, uh, fill their brains

577

26:26 ,715 --> 00:26:31,185

with a bunch of nonsense and separate

the older kids from the younger kids.

578

26:31 ,215 --> 00:26:34,574

So the older kids couldn't teach

the younger kids what was going on.

579

26:34 ,754 --> 00:26:35,685

And it worked.

580

26:35 ,685 --> 00:26:38,054

Really, the revolutions stopped.

581

26:38 ,054 --> 00:26:38,114

Huh?

582

26:38 ,925 --> 00:26:39,135

So.

583

26:39 ,945 --> 00:26:45,105

Rockefeller says, I suggest we adopt

this system and institute it all

584

26:45 ,105 --> 00:26:47,595

around America because we need workers.

585

26:47 ,865 --> 00:26:48,405

Period.

586

26:48 ,495 --> 00:26:50,205

I mean, that's the story folks,

587

26:50 ,205 --> 00:26:51,405

Marc Preston: and it hasn't changed.

588

26:51 ,705 --> 00:26:53,235

Well, what I found was very interesting.

589

26:53 ,235 --> 00:26:55,515

I think we're kind of getting

a little bit away from it.

590

26:55 ,515 --> 00:26:59,100

There is a period of time and uh,

you remember the movie, uh, uh,

591

26:59 ,105 --> 00:27:02,955

uh, office Space came out that was

kind of like the pinnacle of that.

592

27:02 ,955 --> 00:27:04,845

Like, we don't care what degree you have.

593

27:04 ,850 --> 00:27:04,980

Great.

594

27:04 ,980 --> 00:27:05,300

Thomas Jane: I think I

595

27:05 ,540 --> 00:27:05,980

Marc Preston: auditioned for

596

27:05 ,980 --> 00:27:06,140

Thomas Jane: that.

597

27:06 ,315 --> 00:27:09,045

I love that script and I really

wanted to be in it, but I'm

598

27:09 ,045 --> 00:27:10,425

just, you know, it wasn't my bag.

599

27:10 ,605 --> 00:27:10,815

Marc Preston: Yeah.

600

27:10 ,815 --> 00:27:11,175

Yeah.

601

27:11 ,175 --> 00:27:11,475

Go ahead.

602

27:11 ,475 --> 00:27:15,075

You know what, it was just like at a time

when, uh, you know, you need a degree.

603

27:15 ,075 --> 00:27:16,485

They don't care what the degree is.

604

27:16 ,485 --> 00:27:17,415

You just have to have it.

605

27:17 ,415 --> 00:27:18,675

It's almost like, okay, well.

606

27:19 ,395 --> 00:27:21,165

It's, things just aren't connecting.

607

27:21 ,165 --> 00:27:24,975

So you kind of realize we're in a, a phase

now where some of the big tech companies,

608

27:24 ,975 --> 00:27:28,514

some of the more savvy companies

going, well, you don't need a degree.

609

27:28 ,574 --> 00:27:29,149

You know, we certainly don't.

610

27:29 ,534 --> 00:27:33,794

And uh, you know, it's, of course

education has its place as we discussed,

611

27:33 ,794 --> 00:27:36,860

but that's one of the things I'm, I'm

wondering really doesn't, well, I mean,

612

27:36 ,860 --> 00:27:39,495

if you wanna be a doctor or something

like that, of course, but you know,

613

27:39 ,495 --> 00:27:42,375

otherwise it's like, you know, the

amount of debt that's being accrued.

614

27:42 ,375 --> 00:27:45,254

Luckily my kids, you know, they

had themselves a scholarship

615

27:45 ,254 --> 00:27:46,514

'cause they're way smarter than me.

616

27:46 ,514 --> 00:27:47,955

But, um Right.

617

27:47 Reflections on Education and Society

27:47 ,955 --> 00:27:50,745

But, uh, you know, I'm curious,

when did you make that, I mean,

618

27:50 ,745 --> 00:27:53,895

making that move to LA when, how

old were you when you, uh, headed

619

27:53 ,895 --> 00:27:54,344

Thomas Jane: west?

620

27:54 ,645 --> 00:27:59,235

I was, uh, 16, but now you got me

thinking about the debt situation.

621

27:59 ,235 --> 00:28:00,254

So let me tell you about that.

622

28:00 ,344 --> 00:28:00,405

So.

623

28:02 ,715 --> 00:28:07,065

The 1960s were a period

of incredible revolution.

624

28:07 ,065 --> 00:28:10,245

It was a, it was a

consciousness raising period.

625

28:10 ,245 --> 00:28:13,935

People were learning, they were

breaking away from the establishment.

626

28:13 ,965 --> 00:28:19,365

They called it that the establishment,

they grow their hair along and, uh,

627

28:19 ,395 --> 00:28:23,895

they were getting together and they

were protesting and they knew that the

628

28:23 ,895 --> 00:28:27,975

country was screwed up and they knew

everything that was wrong with it.

629

28:28 ,425 --> 00:28:32,295

And the Vietnam War, of course, really

drove these kids 'cause they, it,

630

28:32 ,445 --> 00:28:35,985

they knew, understood that it was a

meaningless war and they didn't feel like

631

28:35 ,985 --> 00:28:37,995

running, being drafted, and going to die.

632

28:37 ,995 --> 00:28:43,365

It, so the, the revolt, the revolution

that happened was the closest we've

633

28:43 ,365 --> 00:28:45,675

come to a real social revolution.

634

28:45 ,675 --> 00:28:45,885

Mm-hmm.

635

28:46 ,520 --> 00:28:51,855

Government, the people who are in

power figured out these kids are

636

28:51 ,855 --> 00:28:57,710

going to school for free college if

you bag groceries three days a week.

637

28:58 ,560 --> 00:29:01,350

Then you have enough money to

put yourself through college.

638

29:01 ,470 --> 00:29:01,770

Oh, you know?

639

29:01 ,830 --> 00:29:02,040

Yeah.

640

29:02 ,100 --> 00:29:03,210

Part-time job.

641

29:03 ,240 --> 00:29:05,850

You know, five days a week

will put you through school.

642

29:06 ,540 --> 00:29:10,080

Um, and they had all this time

on their hands to get together in

643

29:10 ,080 --> 00:29:13,440

church basements and pro figure

out what was wrong and protest.

644

29:13 ,440 --> 00:29:20,175

So I. S suddenly the tuitions started

going up and up and up putting these

645

29:20 ,175 --> 00:29:26,205

kids in debt, making them get full-time

jobs and no longer have any time to,

646

29:26 ,370 --> 00:29:31,335

to, to even to think or worry about

what's messed up about the country.

647

29:31 ,875 --> 00:29:32,055

So

648

29:32 ,055 --> 00:29:33,675

Marc Preston: that's, uh,

that's how that happened.

649

29:33 ,825 --> 00:29:39,345

You know, my kids, you know, 20, 22,

21, and 20, almost 20, and it's like,

650

29:39 ,345 --> 00:29:42,735

I talked to 'em, it's like, you know

what are with AI and all that stuff.

651

29:42 ,735 --> 00:29:45,764

I'm like, okay, is school more

important or is it less important?

652

29:45 ,764 --> 00:29:48,975

It, it's really a weird time we're

in right now, but going back to

653

29:48 ,975 --> 00:29:52,695

the sixties, everything was a

confluence of, you had music and

654

29:52 ,695 --> 00:29:54,645

culture and everything was kind of.

655

29:55 ,200 --> 00:29:58,770

Angling and like it was a disruptive,

and it was, you know, that makes sense.

656

29:58 ,770 --> 00:29:59,010

It was a

657

29:59 ,225 --> 00:30:03,120

Thomas Jane: disruptor and we had to

install, uh, you know, guardrails to

658

30:03 ,120 --> 00:30:04,650

make sure that didn't happen again.

659

30:04 ,680 --> 00:30:09,780

And you're right, the ai, you know, now

the, I think the hope is that if we can

660

30:10 ,470 --> 00:30:17,520

create, uh, a decentralized system and

we could do it through the internet, um,

661

30:17 ,670 --> 00:30:20,070

then we, we, we could change the world.

662

30:20 ,160 --> 00:30:25,560

I mean, there's, there's all kinds of

opportunities to be created with, uh.

663

30:25 ,645 --> 00:30:31,045

Time bartering, um, through the internet,

you know, if you've got a skill or stuff.

664

30:31 ,045 --> 00:30:34,254

I mean, you see it, you know, with

people, uh, trading stuff, you

665

30:34 ,254 --> 00:30:36,385

know, online, they're trading stuff.

666

30:36 ,385 --> 00:30:37,915

They're like, I've got an old stereo.

667

30:37 ,915 --> 00:30:38,605

I don't want it.

668

30:39 ,235 --> 00:30:44,605

You know, and, uh, but I'm, I need

to put new hubcaps on my 56 Corvette.

669

30:44 ,605 --> 00:30:45,410

Does anybody have?

670

30:45 ,504 --> 00:30:49,675

And then, so they're swapping stuff,

but it doesn't have to end with stuff.

671

30:49 ,675 --> 00:30:51,895

It can end with, you know, skills.

672

30:52 ,045 --> 00:30:52,135

Mm-hmm.

673

30:52 ,375 --> 00:30:56,815

It can, it can, we can start, we can

start a kind of a distributed system

674

30:56 ,845 --> 00:31:00,145

where money doesn't become as important.

675

31:00 ,175 --> 00:31:05,155

We still need it for some things, but it's

kind of a, kind of a Star Trek culture.

676

31:05 ,155 --> 00:31:08,935

Sort of a, you know, which

we could be heading for.

677

31:08 ,935 --> 00:31:12,264

We could create that, but we

have to create it and nobody's

678

31:12 ,264 --> 00:31:13,915

gonna be, you know, helping us.

679

31:14 ,245 --> 00:31:15,145

They don't like that.

680

31:15 ,325 --> 00:31:18,445

They don't like that system, which I

think is why we're starting to see more.

681

31:19 ,155 --> 00:31:24,854

Uh, attempts at, uh, censorship and, you

know, digital ID and all this nuttiness

682

31:24 ,854 --> 00:31:26,685

that people should really avoid.

683

31:27 ,225 --> 00:31:27,584

Marc Preston: Yeah.

684

31:27 ,614 --> 00:31:28,030

We like

685

31:28 ,030 --> 00:31:28,590

Thomas Jane: the plague.

686

31:28 ,995 --> 00:31:29,264

Marc Preston: Yeah.

687

31:29 ,264 --> 00:31:32,625

I, you know, I think I was fortunate that

when I was in high school, I actually had

688

31:32 ,625 --> 00:31:36,735

a few good te you know, teachers, ones

that would kind of break away from the

689

31:36 ,735 --> 00:31:40,485

curriculum, just getting into discussions

and kinda lets your, you know, your brain

690

31:40 ,485 --> 00:31:44,594

breathe and like, really, you know, talk

about those are life changing as a kid.

691

31:44 ,594 --> 00:31:46,215

That's life changing stuff.

692

31:46 ,245 --> 00:31:50,114

So I'm remembering, I'm remembering

ninth, 10th, 11th grade, you know,

693

31:50 ,114 --> 00:31:53,175

different government and history classes

and the moment we're in right now, I'm

694

31:53 ,175 --> 00:31:55,725

going, oh, I read about stuff like that.

695

31:55 ,725 --> 00:31:56,504

I remember that.

696

31:56 ,504 --> 00:31:59,229

You know, industrial

Revolution, the, all the right.

697

31:59 ,795 --> 00:32:03,365

And the robber bar, the robber

barons and all that jazz, you know?

698

32:03 ,365 --> 00:32:03,455

Right.

699

32:03 ,485 --> 00:32:03,995

Thomas Jane: Yeah.

700

32:04 ,385 --> 00:32:08,735

Notice how they changed the laws so that,

you know, the, the, uh, when they broke up

701

32:08 ,735 --> 00:32:11,585

all the monopolies that they had mm-hmm.

702

32:11 ,585 --> 00:32:15,095

There were big laws about monopoly

breaking, but we've gotten around

703

32:15 ,095 --> 00:32:17,315

those in the digital world.

704

32:17 ,345 --> 00:32:17,435

Mm-hmm.

705

32:17 ,675 --> 00:32:18,665

They don't apply.

706

32:19 ,265 --> 00:32:25,745

So the, the monopolies are back and, uh,

I don't see the, uh, the gusto that they

707

32:25 ,745 --> 00:32:31,625

had to, to break up the digital monopolies

because, uh, the digital monopolies offer,

708

32:32 ,105 --> 00:32:34,985

uh, much more control over the population.

709

32:35 ,255 --> 00:32:38,225

Marc Preston: So that's, well, that's

really interesting, uh, in your industry.

710

32:38 ,774 --> 00:32:40,514

Uh, that, that, that has changed.

711

32:40 ,514 --> 00:32:43,365

And it's, it's like you have two

different, for you have the big corporate

712

32:43 ,365 --> 00:32:46,485

thing happening, the mergers and all

that, but you also have, you know, people

713

32:46 ,485 --> 00:32:49,814

being able to go out, create a thing, put

it online, you know, very democratized.

714

32:49 ,814 --> 00:32:49,875

I'm

715

32:49 ,875 --> 00:32:52,094

Thomas Jane: hoping that

that is what happens.

716

32:52 ,094 --> 00:32:55,605

What we, you know, what we,

here's, it's a skillset.

717

32:56 ,175 --> 00:32:56,685

Okay?

718

32:56 ,685 --> 00:33:00,044

Now, just because you can make

great images does not mean

719

33:00 ,044 --> 00:33:01,365

you can tell a great story.

720

33:01 ,365 --> 00:33:01,425

Yeah.

721

33:01 ,455 --> 00:33:03,314

That's a whole other skillset.

722

33:03 ,314 --> 00:33:05,625

But people have that skillset.

723

33:05 ,685 --> 00:33:09,135

The same people that grow up and

come out to Hollywood and, and,

724

33:09 ,135 --> 00:33:13,514

uh, become directors and producers

and actors, uh, and writers and

725

33:13 ,514 --> 00:33:16,485

editors, um, and everything else.

726

33:16 ,514 --> 00:33:22,425

Those skills, those skills, those

talents exist, and the computer,

727

33:22 ,510 --> 00:33:27,044

what, what we're able to do in

image creation is just another tool.

728

33:27 ,615 --> 00:33:29,504

Um, you still need the talent.

729

33:29 ,909 --> 00:33:33,990

Uh, to be able to use it, you know,

it, it really is just another tool

730

33:34 ,949 --> 00:33:37,110

like sampling music, sampling.

731

33:37 ,110 --> 00:33:40,620

When people started grabbing

little snippets of other songs

732

33:40 ,620 --> 00:33:41,879

and putting 'em into their songs.

733

33:41 ,879 --> 00:33:44,100

Like people just lost their

minds in the beginning.

734

33:44 ,100 --> 00:33:47,189

They're like, you can't steal,

you know, those, that, that

735

33:47 ,189 --> 00:33:48,870

chorus and throw it into a song.

736

33:49 ,110 --> 00:33:50,699

But it just became another tool.

737

33:50 ,699 --> 00:33:53,250

And when it's done really

well, it's, it's, um,

738

33:53 ,399 --> 00:33:56,340

Marc Preston: you know, people talk about

AI and I, I understand it's gonna be the

739

33:56 ,340 --> 00:34:01,379

new toy for a lot of people, but I think

inherently, uh, like just the world of

740

34:01 ,379 --> 00:34:04,860

voiceover that I've floated in for many

years, I remember 30 years ago people

741

34:04 ,860 --> 00:34:09,449

were saying words like non announcer,

real person, conversational, authentic,

742

34:09 ,449 --> 00:34:12,900

you know, that's what they 'cause PE

we have a craving for authenticity.

743

34:12 ,900 --> 00:34:15,900

So that's the reason why I

think that AI's got, uh, you

744

34:15 ,900 --> 00:34:17,190

know, it does have a shelf life.

745

34:17 ,190 --> 00:34:21,000

I think it only lasts until people get

really hungry for that authenticity again.

746

34:21 ,000 --> 00:34:22,620

Then I think things will, you know,

747

34:22 ,650 --> 00:34:25,240

Thomas Jane: I think the

authenticity is there's gonna be

748

34:25 ,739 --> 00:34:28,590

a real hunger for real people.

749

34:29 ,300 --> 00:34:36,409

Telling real stories about real life and

the real emotions and experiences, those

750

34:36 ,409 --> 00:34:42,350

cathartic moments that you're able to

have when you watch a story about, uh, and

751

34:42 ,350 --> 00:34:47,659

you believe it, you know, you have great

acting and wonderful, uh, story to tell.

752

34:47 ,659 --> 00:34:53,330

That is, I think is, is we're

gonna see, um, stories start

753

34:53 ,330 --> 00:34:54,409

to move in that direction.

754

34:54 ,409 --> 00:34:57,680

I could see another period

that we had in the nineties

755

34:57 ,680 --> 00:34:59,840

when independent film exploded.

756

34:59 ,840 --> 00:34:59,900

Yeah.

757

34:59 ,900 --> 00:35:02,630

And Sundance became a, a big thing.

758

35:03 ,080 --> 00:35:08,135

I think that we could be heading

for another period like that just

759

35:08 ,135 --> 00:35:09,980

because of exactly what you, I've been

feeling that, I've been feeling the

760

35:09 ,980 --> 00:35:11,780

Marc Preston: same way also

because I'm going, what's next?

761

35:11 ,780 --> 00:35:12,230

What's next?

762

35:12 ,230 --> 00:35:14,420

Even back to Paul Thomas

Sanders, you know, boogie Nights.

763

35:14 ,600 --> 00:35:17,720

That was considered a, an

independent film, was it not?

764

35:17 ,720 --> 00:35:18,710

I mean, for its time.

765

35:19 ,040 --> 00:35:19,400

Thomas Jane: Yeah.

766

35:19 ,400 --> 00:35:23,720

That was right in the pocket of the

kind of movies that were getting a

767

35:23 ,720 --> 00:35:27,560

lot of attention because they were

independent anti-establishment against.

768

35:28 ,200 --> 00:35:35,460

The grain, um, uh, quirky, uh,

oddball sort of stories that you

769

35:35 ,460 --> 00:35:39,690

could tell and, and that, and

it had a real, a real moment.

770

35:39 ,690 --> 00:35:44,640

I think those are gonna come back and, uh,

I think Hollywood will also follow along.

771

35:44 ,640 --> 00:35:47,970

I just saw a movie last

night called Song, song Blue.

772

35:48 ,089 --> 00:35:48,330

Mm-hmm.

773

35:48 ,839 --> 00:35:54,330

And, um, it's, I didn't re uh, uh,

about half, there's so many crazy

774

35:54 ,330 --> 00:35:55,920

things that happened in that movie.

775

35:55 ,920 --> 00:35:58,080

I thought, who the hell wrote this thing?

776

35:58 ,080 --> 00:36:01,830

And then I, at the end, I discovered

that it was based on a real

777

36:01 ,830 --> 00:36:07,305

story, a true story about these

impersonators Neil Diamond impersonate.

778

36:07 ,310 --> 00:36:07,950

It's brilliant.

779

36:08 ,279 --> 00:36:12,359

But what I loved about it was,

it it, after I walked out of that

780

36:12 ,359 --> 00:36:15,450

movie and I thought, the, this

is the kind of movie that's gonna

781

36:15 ,450 --> 00:36:18,690

save Hollywood, uh, because it's.

782

36:19 ,170 --> 00:36:24,750

It's about real people, and it has

craft, masterfully told stories

783

36:24 ,750 --> 00:36:29,549

that where you get to experience,

um, real emotions and real human

784

36:29 ,549 --> 00:36:31,259

beings that's not going anywhere.

785

36:32 Independent Films and Future Projects

36:32 ,430 --> 00:36:34,859

Marc Preston: Well, have you thought,

I even, of course, being in front of

786

36:34 ,859 --> 00:36:38,009

the camera, but is there ever, has

there ever been an inclination for

787

36:38 ,009 --> 00:36:40,799

you to say, okay, I wanna produce, I

wanna dry, I wanna create something

788

36:40 ,799 --> 00:36:42,720

I think is kind of missing right now.

789

36:42 ,870 --> 00:36:44,069

Have you ever had that itch?

790

36:44 ,279 --> 00:36:44,640

Oh, that's,

791

36:45 ,180 --> 00:36:46,200

Thomas Jane: that's what we're doing.

792

36:46 ,200 --> 00:36:51,270

I've got a company called Renegade

and um, we produced a show for

793

36:51 ,270 --> 00:36:53,670

TRO for, for Amazon called Troppo.

794

36:54 ,029 --> 00:36:54,270

Mm-hmm.

795

36:54 ,750 --> 00:36:56,580

Uh, which we developed and produced.

796

36:56 ,580 --> 00:36:59,250

And it was based on, that's

one in Australia or, uh.

797

36:59 ,700 --> 00:37:00,029

Yeah.

798

37:00 ,060 --> 00:37:00,299

Okay.

799

37:00 ,480 --> 00:37:00,900

Shot it.

800

37:00 ,900 --> 00:37:05,250

No, it's based on a, on a, on an

Australian author named Candace Fox.

801

37:05 ,430 --> 00:37:06,180

Terrific.

802

37:06 ,750 --> 00:37:07,950

Called Crimson Lake.

803

37:08 ,009 --> 00:37:12,420

Um, he, she created these great couple

of characters, you know, a burnt out,

804

37:12 ,540 --> 00:37:18,240

a detective who was on the lam and, uh,

this crazy lady who had spent 10 years

805

37:18 ,240 --> 00:37:19,859

in prison for killing her best friend.

806

37:20 ,190 --> 00:37:23,549

And they hook up and become

this unlikely detective duo.

807

37:23 ,910 --> 00:37:24,900

It was so much fun.

808

37:25 ,109 --> 00:37:30,660

And, um, it got, it, made it to

number four on Amazon, uh, was in

809

37:30 ,660 --> 00:37:34,230

the top 10 for 10 weeks, you know,

and we were behind fallout, you

810

37:34 ,230 --> 00:37:36,015

know, we, we, and this is, oh, okay.

811

37:36 ,270 --> 00:37:42,690

This is, this is smaller budget, um,

dramatic, uh, storytelling, which

812

37:42 ,690 --> 00:37:45,270

is, which is exactly what I wanna do.

813

37:45 ,270 --> 00:37:48,750

So we're creating a couple of other shows.

814

37:48 ,839 --> 00:37:51,120

Um, I've also got a graphic novel.

815

37:51 ,120 --> 00:37:54,660

I've, I did graphic novels about

10 years ago, and I'm back.

816

37:55 ,109 --> 00:37:56,759

So I've got a werewolf book.

817

37:57 ,195 --> 00:37:59,925

Out on Comicology, which is on Amazon.

818

37:59 ,925 --> 00:38:01,665

You can read it on your Kindle.

819

38:01 ,875 --> 00:38:02,175

Really?

820

38:02 ,175 --> 00:38:02,235

Yeah.

821

38:02 ,265 --> 00:38:02,445

But

822

38:02 ,445 --> 00:38:04,605

Thomas Jane: it's called the

Li it's called the Lichen.

823

38:04 ,965 --> 00:38:07,905

Marc Preston: That's something I'd

like to find a little bit more about.

824

38:07 ,905 --> 00:38:08,715

You know, I never, graphic

825

38:08 ,715 --> 00:38:13,185

Thomas Jane: novels are, uh, one, uh,

just to, you know, I, I'm, I'm trying

826

38:13 ,185 --> 00:38:17,655

to make sure that they stay alive and

people, uh, you know, can read, read.

827

38:17 ,655 --> 00:38:21,795

Comic people are not, aren't

even reading comic books anymore.

828

38:21 ,795 --> 00:38:24,855

You know, you know, something's

up when, uh, you can't even get

829

38:24 ,855 --> 00:38:26,205

somebody to read a comic book.

830

38:26 ,205 --> 00:38:29,595

Back in the day, you were like, why

are you reading those comic books?

831

38:29 ,595 --> 00:38:31,005

Why don't you read a real book?

832

38:31 ,665 --> 00:38:34,815

That was, that was the,

the, the mother, the

833

38:34 ,815 --> 00:38:36,945

Marc Preston: famous mother

phrase, you know, being jx.

834

38:36 ,945 --> 00:38:41,085

I think we had some of the best

stuff available, uh, you know.

835

38:41 ,805 --> 00:38:46,605

To just kind of spark our imagination

back in the day, you know, like, uh, what,

836

38:46 ,605 --> 00:38:49,424

what were you consuming when you were,

I mean, what, what do you think was the

837

38:49 ,424 --> 00:38:53,115

genesis of you wanting to do this thing as

far as what you were watching or reading

838

38:53 ,115 --> 00:38:57,254

or, you know, if you go back circa 80

something, you know, what were you going,

839

38:57 ,345 --> 00:38:58,935

okay, this is setting my brain on fire.

840

38:58 ,935 --> 00:38:59,215

I like this.

841

39:00 ,345 --> 00:39:03,945

Thomas Jane: It was the independent

comic book scene in the eighties.

842

39:04 ,275 --> 00:39:06,405

Uh, there were a couple of companies.

843

39:06 ,405 --> 00:39:11,565

One, one of them was called Eclipse and

the other was called Pacific Comics.

844

39:12 ,255 --> 00:39:18,645

And Pacific had a couple of lines,

uh, of anthologies, comic books,

845

39:18 ,645 --> 00:39:23,385

and one was called Alien Worlds

and it was all sci-fi stories and

846

39:23 ,385 --> 00:39:25,245

the other was called Twisted Tails.

847

39:25 ,275 --> 00:39:26,985

And that was all horror stories.

848

39:26 ,990 --> 00:39:27,000

Mm-hmm.

849

39:27 ,405 --> 00:39:30,105

And they're still some of

the best stuff I've read.

850

39:30 ,165 --> 00:39:34,995

Just the art and the writing created by

Bruce Jones, who I got to know later.

851

39:35 ,685 --> 00:39:38,145

Uh, great guy, wonderfully talented.

852

39:38 ,685 --> 00:39:42,135

Uh, and he's making stories, you

know, and it is just something

853

39:42 ,135 --> 00:39:45,465

so gratifying about, um.

854

39:46 ,050 --> 00:39:51,600

The, uh, the comic book panel, the

page, you know, the, the art, the story.

855

39:51 ,720 --> 00:39:55,110

What's wonderful is every artist

can create a world that you

856

39:55 ,110 --> 00:39:57,480

can fall into that's unique.

857

39:57 ,570 --> 00:39:57,660

Mm-hmm.

858

39:58 ,080 --> 00:40:00,810

Thomas Jane: And that's what's so

great about the comic book artists.

859

40:00 ,870 --> 00:40:03,300

And now, you know, they're,

they're still out there and

860

40:03 ,300 --> 00:40:05,370

they're still doing fantastic work.

861

40:05 ,430 --> 00:40:12,120

The guy that we used is, um, Argentinian,

he's, uh, Diego Yur, who I found in

862

40:12 ,120 --> 00:40:14,130

the pages of Heavy Metal Magazine.

863

40:15 ,180 --> 00:40:19,170

And, uh, the work that he's done

is extraordinary and it's, it's

864

40:19 ,290 --> 00:40:23,759

gratifying to be able to work with

other artists like a director, right.

865

40:23 ,820 --> 00:40:24,810

Which I direct.

866

40:24 ,810 --> 00:40:31,259

I directed a couple of episodes of Troppo,

um, and, uh, plan on doing more of that

867

40:31 ,500 --> 00:40:33,509

because I really, really enjoyed it.

868

40:33 ,750 --> 00:40:37,860

I love bringing out the best in

people, and that's what you do,

869

40:38 ,100 --> 00:40:39,840

uh, in the comic book business.

870

40:39 ,840 --> 00:40:40,350

You find.

871

40:40 ,740 --> 00:40:42,720

The best writer for the job.

872

40:42 ,720 --> 00:40:47,370

You find the best artist and you

marry these, the colorist, uh, and

873

40:47 ,370 --> 00:40:53,339

you marry these talents to create

a world, a story and a world, a

874

40:53 ,339 --> 00:40:55,589

visual world that you can fall into.

875

40:55 ,890 --> 00:40:56,250

Marc Preston: Yeah.

876

40:56 ,460 --> 00:40:58,770

Thomas Jane: And that, and then,

and then working with those

877

40:58 ,770 --> 00:41:05,759

guys, the process of bringing it

to life, uh, is very gratifying

878

41:05 ,759 --> 00:41:06,990

when you, uh, when you hold that

879

41:06 ,990 --> 00:41:07,230

Marc Preston: book

880

41:07 ,230 --> 00:41:07,890

Thomas Jane: in your hands.

881

41:08 ,430 --> 00:41:08,520

Marc Preston: Yeah.

882

41:08 ,520 --> 00:41:12,450

Those collaborations, like, like you had

mentioned before, you know, as far as not

883

41:12 ,450 --> 00:41:16,140

like to be in big crowds and all that, you

know, but there is something really cool

884

41:16 ,140 --> 00:41:20,100

that I, I identify with that, but when

you collaborate with a couple, few people

885

41:20 ,100 --> 00:41:23,970

and y'all are all kind of on the same

frequency, that's, I I think it's really

886

41:23 ,970 --> 00:41:25,560

rewarding and that that is one thing.

887

41:25 ,565 --> 00:41:25,615

Yeah.

888

41:25 ,615 --> 00:41:26,415

And you're bringing them together.

889

41:26 ,884 --> 00:41:27,174

Yeah.

890

41:27 ,194 --> 00:41:27,990

And so that's, that's right.

891

41:27 ,990 --> 00:41:31,379

That is a direct as, as somebody who's

producing or directing a show, you're,

892

41:31 ,620 --> 00:41:34,500

you know, you're wrangling people

to do a, you have this vision and.

893

41:34 ,799 --> 00:41:37,200

Have, I've done just a little

bit of acting, you know, but when

894

41:37 ,200 --> 00:41:39,420

you're on a set, you are, like,

being an actor is the easy part.

895

41:39 ,420 --> 00:41:41,970

You know, having to like be a

director, having to be this ringmaster,

896

41:41 ,970 --> 00:41:43,645

that's, that's the word, you know,

897

41:43 ,645 --> 00:41:45,960

Thomas Jane: being actor's,

the easy part for sure.

898

41:46 ,020 --> 00:41:46,529

You know?

899

41:46 ,770 --> 00:41:51,390

But the good news is it's

distributed, uh, responsibility.

900

41:51 ,450 --> 00:41:56,279

You know, as a director, you're,

you're the dis, you're the distributor

901

41:56 ,279 --> 00:42:01,560

of responsibility and, and getting

people that you trust and, and allowing

902

42:01 ,560 --> 00:42:06,690

them to do the best work that they

can, uh, is really the whole game.

903

42:06 ,720 --> 00:42:09,960

You know, if you're trying to control

things and you're like, no, I want it

904

42:09 ,960 --> 00:42:16,500

this way, then generally you're not

gonna get, uh, a top-notch product.

905

42:16 ,500 --> 00:42:21,840

What you wanna do is allow the artist,

whether that's the production designer or

906

42:21 ,840 --> 00:42:27,720

the costumer, or the guy that you drive

around looking for locations with, uh,

907

42:28 ,110 --> 00:42:30,660

to bring out the best in the in, in them.

908

42:31 ,500 --> 00:42:32,130

Um.

909

42:32 ,895 --> 00:42:35,835

It may it, it it for the crew.

910

42:35 ,835 --> 00:42:38,625

It makes getting up and going

to work a fun experience.

911

42:38 ,625 --> 00:42:41,025

And that's what you want because

that's where you get the best work.

912

42:41 ,205 --> 00:42:44,565

Marc Preston: You mentioned the, the being

a director of a show, you know, like a

913

42:44 ,565 --> 00:42:46,785

movies, director's, medium television.

914

42:46 ,785 --> 00:42:49,665

It's kind of a writer's medium,

but there was so much consist

915

42:49 ,665 --> 00:42:52,154

going back to Expanse 'cause I'm

gonna nerd out on it a little bit.

916

42:52 ,154 --> 00:42:53,085

Love that show.

917

42:53 ,174 --> 00:42:56,835

Uh, but it seemed like to me

there was so much consistency.

918

42:56 ,835 --> 00:42:59,955

You know, you'd have different directors

episode, episode, but it seems like there

919

42:59 ,955 --> 00:43:02,355

was a very common aesthetic and vibe.

920

43:02 ,355 --> 00:43:06,194

Like talk about the costumers,

the, um, just the choices they

921

43:06 ,194 --> 00:43:07,755

made on just like your haircut.

922

43:07 ,755 --> 00:43:11,565

Like all it seems like that was

a very intentional every day.

923

43:11 ,970 --> 00:43:13,770

Peace, what, you know, a

924

43:13 ,770 --> 00:43:17,460

Thomas Jane: great opportunity to,

to create a world from the ground up.

925

43:17 Sci-Fi and Authentic Stories

43:17 ,520 --> 00:43:17,609

Oh yeah.

926

43:17 ,609 --> 00:43:21,120

That's one of the things about

sci-fi that, uh, is really strong

927

43:21 ,120 --> 00:43:22,650

or it can be like really bad.

928

43:23 ,310 --> 00:43:25,470

Uh, there's kind of

no, nothing in between.

929

43:25 ,859 --> 00:43:27,569

Um, but, but it was kind

of, it was kind of the

930

43:27 ,569 --> 00:43:29,339

Marc Preston: vehicle, uh, sci-fi.

931

43:29 ,339 --> 00:43:31,230

But we talk about authentic stories.

932

43:31 ,230 --> 00:43:34,890

Like I remember that there's one scene

when you go and I was it, is it Julie Mao?

933

43:34 ,890 --> 00:43:35,759

Is that the character's name?

934

43:35 ,759 --> 00:43:36,915

You went into her apartment Yeah.

935

43:37 ,140 --> 00:43:39,750

And you're sort of exploring

who this was by just looking

936

43:39 ,750 --> 00:43:41,730

at her apartment and you, yeah.

937

43:41 ,730 --> 00:43:45,600

You never met this person, but you

kind of developed a real, this very

938

43:45 ,600 --> 00:43:48,660

authentic connection and that, that,

that's what I think made that show

939

43:48 ,660 --> 00:43:50,879

so great was it was real human.

940

43:51 ,555 --> 00:43:52,035

Stuff.

941

43:52 ,065 --> 00:43:52,215

Yeah.

942

43:52 ,220 --> 00:43:52,904

You know, you could,

943

43:53 ,115 --> 00:43:56,174

Thomas Jane: that's, that's the,

the core of it all needs to come

944

43:56 ,174 --> 00:44:00,134

down to real human stuff, you know,

that's what you're looking for.

945

44:00 ,134 --> 00:44:04,035

The, the story is just what

you're hanging the reality on.

946

44:04 ,065 --> 00:44:10,755

The reality is, is the creation of, uh,

human emotions, human experiences, uh,

947

44:10 ,755 --> 00:44:15,884

human conflicts and doubts and fears

and all that wonderful stuff goes in

948

44:15 ,920 --> 00:44:19,575

Marc Preston: and, and, and imperfections,

but also people who rise to the occasion.

949

44:19 ,575 --> 00:44:23,295

You know, it's just, it's it, to me it

was, it had a perfect kind of ending,

950

44:23 ,295 --> 00:44:25,305

but I'm like, no, it can't end now.

951

44:25 ,305 --> 00:44:26,384

It must keep going, you know?

952

44:26 Advice to Aspiring Actors

44:26 ,745 --> 00:44:30,015

But, uh, but like your daughter, you

said is also doing the acting thing.

953

44:30 ,015 --> 00:44:32,384

What piece of advice have

you handed off to her?

954

44:32 ,384 --> 00:44:34,095

I'm sure you've got nuggets that you've.

955

44:34 ,515 --> 00:44:36,674

Passed along to her along the way.

956

44:36 ,680 --> 00:44:36,980

Uhhuh?

957

44:37 ,334 --> 00:44:37,935

Thomas Jane: I do.

958

44:37 ,935 --> 00:44:38,265

Yeah.

959

44:38 ,265 --> 00:44:40,004

I've got a few little nuggets.

960

44:40 ,004 --> 00:44:43,935

You know, she's surrounded by some

really, um, uh, you know, she's,

961

44:43 ,935 --> 00:44:48,674

she's immersed in the, uh, in

the, in the artist artist's world.

962

44:48 ,915 --> 00:44:55,064

You know, she grew up around books and

movies and paintings and everything else.

963

44:55 ,064 --> 00:44:58,035

So I think there's something to that.

964

44:58 ,305 --> 00:45:05,475

Um, uh, I think you can get

further faster if you grow up.

965

45:05 ,535 --> 00:45:08,084

And this not just in the

art world, in any world.

966

45:08 ,714 --> 00:45:14,535

Um, if you, if you have an affinity

for it, take advantage of it.

967

45:14 ,535 --> 00:45:17,805

You know, people say, well, I, I,

they, they get nervous about some

968

45:17 ,805 --> 00:45:19,484

kind of nepotism and all that.

969

45:20 ,819 --> 00:45:24,569

It, the only thing that matters is

if, do you have an affinity for it?

970

45:24 ,629 --> 00:45:25,470

Do you love it?

971

45:25 ,709 --> 00:45:30,689

And if you love it, then you've got

this wonderful landscape, um, that's

972

45:30 ,689 --> 00:45:37,859

been created around you by, uh, your

parents and their friends and that,

973

45:37 ,859 --> 00:45:43,140

that circle who have also immersed the

themselves so you actually can get further

974

45:43 ,140 --> 00:45:46,109

faster, um, because of that immersion.

975

45:46 ,500 --> 00:45:48,210

Marc Preston: You know, they

say nepotism, then nepo.

976

45:48 ,629 --> 00:45:50,279

That'll get you so far.

977

45:50 ,279 --> 00:45:51,779

But it's kinda like professional sports.

978

45:51 ,779 --> 00:45:54,359

I mean, if you can't, if

you're batting 100, yeah.

979

45:54 ,450 --> 00:45:55,859

You're not gonna be playing in the majors.

980

45:55 ,859 --> 00:45:56,125

You know?

981

45:56 ,609 --> 00:45:58,439

You know, gotta, you

gotta show can perform.

982

45:58 ,439 --> 00:45:59,640

Uh, now do you just have one

983

45:59 ,640 --> 00:46:00,029

Thomas Jane: daughter?

984

46:00 Family and Personal Life

46:00 ,270 --> 00:46:04,020

I've got one daughter and

she's, uh, changed my life.

985

46:04 ,230 --> 00:46:08,700

You know, I was a, a wayward

soul, uh, before I had her.

986

46:08 ,700 --> 00:46:16,350

And then, um, and she, so she's, she's,

uh, given me, uh, a new life that,

987

46:16 ,350 --> 00:46:19,140

uh, I'm incredibly grateful for every

988

46:19 ,140 --> 00:46:19,439

Marc Preston: day.

989

46:19 ,710 --> 00:46:24,029

I'm lucky to have three wonderful

kids, but, uh, the, the, the, the more,

990

46:24 ,029 --> 00:46:26,669

like my youngest is, is a lot like me.

991

46:26 ,669 --> 00:46:30,180

So it doesn't create friction, but it's

sort of like, I think the things that

992

46:30 ,180 --> 00:46:35,790

irritate her about me, you know, are the

things that we, we, we have in common.

993

46:35 ,790 --> 00:46:38,879

So we, we've, you know, there's just

needing to meet her that, but as

994

46:38 ,879 --> 00:46:42,240

she's got, she's, she's studying in

Europe right now, so she's doing that

995

46:42 ,240 --> 00:46:43,799

would be great to be 19 years old.

996

46:44 ,520 --> 00:46:46,680

Every weekend taking a

train somewhere, you know,

997

46:47 ,130 --> 00:46:47,850

Thomas Jane: and Europe.

998

46:47 ,850 --> 00:46:48,540

Fantastic.

999

46:48 ,570 --> 00:46:49,410

It's perfect.

1000

46:49 ,440 --> 00:46:53,460

I think all kids should be, should

be doing that, you know, see, seeing

1001

46:53 ,460 --> 00:47:00,180

the world, seeing how other people

live, uh, in is, uh, probably as a,

1002

47:00 ,240 --> 00:47:06,605

as a young person, uh, that's, um,

much more valuable than education.

1003

47:07 ,025 --> 00:47:07,485

So Is she,

1004

47:07 ,795 --> 00:47:10,590

Marc Preston: have you had a chance to

have her work on any of your projects at

1005

47:10 ,590 --> 00:47:12,270

all, or any things you've worked on or?

1006

47:12 ,540 --> 00:47:12,605

Thomas Jane: We did.

1007

47:12 ,610 --> 00:47:14,520

We did a movie together

when she was younger.

1008

47:14 ,520 --> 00:47:16,200

We did a little movie called Dig.

1009

47:16 ,710 --> 00:47:20,670

Uh, she's great and it, movie's not

so good, but she's, she's terrific and

1010

47:20 ,670 --> 00:47:24,660

it got her the experience, you know,

when you're young, you're just craving

1011

47:24 ,660 --> 00:47:32,220

experience And, um, we've, we've, um,

it's, it is sort of neat, you know, she

1012

47:32 ,220 --> 00:47:34,980

lives with me, so we're having, we're.

1013

47:35 ,230 --> 00:47:37,120

Uh, it's so interesting.

1014

47:37 ,120 --> 00:47:37,930

She's 22.

1015

47:37 ,930 --> 00:47:38,020

Mm-hmm.

1016

47:38 ,890 --> 00:47:40,690

And she's now an adult.

1017

47:41 ,005 --> 00:47:43,120

And, uh, and that in that we, we have

1018

47:43 ,300 --> 00:47:44,770

Marc Preston: this adult relationship.

1019

47:44 ,830 --> 00:47:46,210

I'm getting used to that also.

1020

47:46 ,210 --> 00:47:48,400

It's like they're gonna be

their baby's baby forever.

1021

47:48 ,400 --> 00:47:48,700

Right.

1022

47:48 ,700 --> 00:47:52,570

But I remember being 22, what I was up to

there are, there are, there're they're a

1023

47:52 ,570 --> 00:47:53,920

human out in the world doing their thing.

1024

47:53 ,920 --> 00:47:56,230

I'm like, this is my daughter's

teaching school, my oldest.

1025

47:56 ,230 --> 00:47:58,810

And it's, it's weird

'cause it happened so fast.

1026

47:59 ,005 --> 00:48:00,225

You know, that's,

1027

48:00 ,820 --> 00:48:04,060

Thomas Jane: uh, like your, it's like

your heart walks out the door every

1028

48:04 ,060 --> 00:48:08,950

day and, uh, it's just, uh, you just

hope that the world, uh, treats her.

1029

48:08 ,950 --> 00:48:09,370

Okay.

1030

48:09 ,580 --> 00:48:11,050

Marc Preston: Uh, now is Patricia her mom?

1031

48:11 ,140 --> 00:48:11,259

Mm-hmm.

1032

48:11 ,680 --> 00:48:12,009

Okay.

1033

48:12 ,009 --> 00:48:12,020

Okay.

1034

48:12 ,220 --> 00:48:15,460

I, I had, uh, I had,

uh, David on, uh, ATA.

1035

48:15 ,700 --> 00:48:16,720

Real interesting guy.

1036

48:16 ,720 --> 00:48:18,040

That was a, that was a fun talk.

1037

48:18 ,040 --> 00:48:19,305

That's an, they were, yeah.

1038

48:19 ,305 --> 00:48:20,305

He's a unique individual.

1039

48:20 ,625 --> 00:48:20,985

I love David.

1040

48:21 ,440 --> 00:48:24,290

He, you know, he'll have a

great, great affinity for him.

1041

48:24 ,350 --> 00:48:26,060

He seems to have just the best heart.

1042

48:26 ,150 --> 00:48:27,290

He seems like a good dude.

1043

48:27 ,350 --> 00:48:30,440

Thomas Jane: You know, he just, uh, he's

a, he's a wonderful guy and he's got

1044

48:30 ,440 --> 00:48:33,800

great wack, we strange tastes, you know.

1045

48:33 ,800 --> 00:48:37,220

Um, he is similar to myself,

but in a different way.

1046

48:37 ,220 --> 00:48:38,780

You know, he's into different things.

1047

48:38 Memories of Paul Reubens

48:38 ,780 --> 00:48:39,320

But, uh,

1048

48:39 ,650 --> 00:48:41,690

Marc Preston: you know, it's really

interesting because we were talking about,

1049

48:41 ,720 --> 00:48:43,430

uh, Paul Rubins and it was interesting.

1050

48:43 ,430 --> 00:48:46,100

I just saw the Paul Rubins,

the peewee, that documenter,

1051

48:46 ,100 --> 00:48:47,120

which I think was wonderful.

1052

48:47 ,540 --> 00:48:47,630

Yeah.

1053

48:47 ,630 --> 00:48:48,170

And I was like, what?

1054

48:48 ,170 --> 00:48:48,320

Yeah,

1055

48:48 ,320 --> 00:48:49,610

Thomas Jane: we were all friends.

1056

48:49 ,670 --> 00:48:50,780

Uh, with Paul.

1057

48:50 ,780 --> 00:48:55,400

We had some wonderful times together

and it was, uh, devastating.

1058

48:55 ,550 --> 00:48:56,630

I still Ms. Paul.

1059

48:57 ,299 --> 00:49:00,419

Paul Paul would send everybody,

he never missed a birthday.

1060

49:01 ,109 --> 00:49:02,339

He was that kind of guy.

1061

49:02 ,430 --> 00:49:07,710

And he would, if it was your birthday,

then throughout the day you would

1062

49:07 ,710 --> 00:49:11,069

just receive a series of texts.

1063

49:11 ,129 --> 00:49:17,129

Uh, and they could be jokes, um, they

could be memes and they could be those

1064

49:17 ,129 --> 00:49:21,870

little snippet movies, you know, uhhuh of

like a horse blowing out birthday candles

1065

49:21 ,870 --> 00:49:26,970

or you know, some woman slipping in the

kitchen and landing in a birthday cake.

1066

49:26 ,970 --> 00:49:30,240

Like you would get these

things scattered throughout the

1067

49:30 ,240 --> 00:49:31,500

day if it was your birthday.

1068

49:31 ,500 --> 00:49:33,569

And he did that with

everybody that he loved and.

1069

49:34 ,155 --> 00:49:38,595

And, um, that was just a small piece of

Paul Rubin that actually made it into

1070

49:38 ,595 --> 00:49:39,315

Marc Preston: the documentary.

1071

49:39 ,315 --> 00:49:39,795

I remember that.

1072

49:39 ,800 --> 00:49:41,745

He was, he was telling,

uh, he had to stop.

1073

49:41 ,745 --> 00:49:44,475

He said, uh, I gotta start sending

my birthday things for the day.

1074

49:45 ,135 --> 00:49:48,375

You know, I think that was a wonderful

documentary, any kid of the eighties.

1075

49:48 ,540 --> 00:49:51,885

It, it was like, it kind of completed

like, it, it was, I think so.

1076

49:51 ,885 --> 00:49:52,155

Good.

1077

49:52 ,185 --> 00:49:56,175

'cause it gave you more appreciation,

empathy for the arc of his story.

1078

49:56 ,175 --> 00:49:56,235

Yeah.

1079

49:56 ,235 --> 00:49:58,155

I mean, um, he deserves it.

1080

49:58 ,275 --> 00:50:00,285

Thomas Jane: Truly wonderful human being.

1081

50:00 ,645 --> 00:50:03,555

Marc Preston: So, looking at what

you've, you said character actor

1082

50:03 ,765 --> 00:50:07,485

that, you know, that's how you kind of

frame the nature of the work you do.

1083

50:07 ,965 --> 00:50:10,515

What is it you haven't done

that you want to knock out?

1084

50:10 ,545 --> 00:50:11,925

You like, this is on the agenda.

1085

50:11 ,925 --> 00:50:13,455

I must do this.

1086

50:13 ,815 --> 00:50:14,445

Yeah,

1087

50:14 ,445 --> 00:50:17,685

Thomas Jane: I, I've got a

script that I'm working on.

1088

50:17 ,685 --> 00:50:22,755

It's gonna take me a while to,

to get it done, but, um, but

1089

50:22 ,755 --> 00:50:25,095

that I'm not gonna talk about.

1090

50:25 ,155 --> 00:50:28,725

But I do, uh, I do have things

that I haven't done yet.

1091

50:28 ,815 --> 00:50:30,435

I'm working on making 'em happen.

1092

50:30 ,435 --> 00:50:31,905

I really like.

1093

50:32 ,340 --> 00:50:35,070

Um, getting behind the camera now.

1094

50:35 ,910 --> 00:50:38,910

So developing a couple

of things to direct.

1095

50:39 ,000 --> 00:50:43,470

Uh, I I'm hoping that these

smaller, independent movies,

1096

50:43 ,500 --> 00:50:45,150

uh, start getting made again.

1097

50:45 ,155 --> 00:50:45,385

Yeah.

1098

50:45 ,390 --> 00:50:45,480

Yeah.

1099

50:45 ,510 --> 00:50:47,790

Because that's really

where my, my heart is.

1100

50:47 ,790 --> 00:50:52,170

I like these, these little stories

about human beings that, uh,

1101

50:52 ,350 --> 00:50:57,750

that live outside of, uh, your,

your normal everyday experience.

1102

50:57 ,750 --> 00:51:01,440

That's, um, what I think is so great

about, you know, the internet, you

1103

51:01 ,440 --> 00:51:04,680

know, the way these little rabbit

holes you're able to, to find and

1104

51:04 ,680 --> 00:51:09,240

go down, and it really brings us

closer together as human beings.

1105

51:09 ,240 --> 00:51:13,770

We start to understand each

other, um, a lot better, you know?

1106

51:13 ,770 --> 00:51:19,200

And I feel like these divisions that

have been created politically are false.

1107

51:19 ,230 --> 00:51:19,890

I really do.

1108

51:19 ,890 --> 00:51:21,750

Marc Preston: It's, I think it's

all its own brand of theater.

1109

51:22 ,105 --> 00:51:22,765

Be honest with you.

1110

51:22 ,765 --> 00:51:25,075

That's the thing that

it's all manufactured,

1111

51:25 ,110 --> 00:51:27,835

Thomas Jane: but this, but

the thing is, so many people

1112

51:27 ,985 --> 00:51:29,575

buy it hook, line, and sinker.

1113

51:29 ,575 --> 00:51:31,135

It works, you know?

1114

51:31 ,135 --> 00:51:34,975

And it, and it wor and I think it works on

all of us to, to, uh, greater or lesser.

1115

51:34 ,975 --> 00:51:35,995

It's not that dopa, it's,

1116

51:35 ,995 --> 00:51:38,035

Marc Preston: uh, the dopamine

hit that I think people get.

1117

51:38 ,035 --> 00:51:39,565

They, they wanna be en enraged.

1118

51:39 ,565 --> 00:51:41,695

And I'm like, you know,

there's something just chilled.

1119

51:41 ,695 --> 00:51:42,625

Think about it for a moment.

1120

51:42 ,625 --> 00:51:45,415

Let it bounce around your

mind before you've Yeah.

1121

51:45 ,415 --> 00:51:45,450

You know,

1122

51:45 ,805 --> 00:51:48,655

Thomas Jane: you gonna, like,

is that gonna, is somebody gonna

1123

51:48 ,655 --> 00:51:50,125

bring that up at your funeral?

1124

51:50 ,395 --> 00:51:51,055

Marc Preston: Like, if it's

1125

51:51 ,055 --> 00:51:54,145

Thomas Jane: not that

important, then just let it go.

1126

51:54 ,475 --> 00:51:54,775

Marc Preston: Yeah.

1127

51:54 ,775 --> 00:51:58,675

I, I'm really missing some of those

independent, uh, if you look in

1128

51:58 ,675 --> 00:52:02,605

Netflix, uh, sometimes they give

it a adjective of understated.

1129

52:02 ,965 --> 00:52:04,010

A lot of times they'll give it like, yeah.

1130

52:04 ,225 --> 00:52:08,090

It's just a story about people

navigating a thing, you know?

1131

52:08 ,430 --> 00:52:10,090

Thomas Jane: Now how do you

have to be able to tell it?

1132

52:10 ,090 --> 00:52:12,565

Well, you know, you have to

still, it's entertainment.

1133

52:12 ,565 --> 00:52:15,325

You know, at the end of the day,

it's, I don't wanna watch boring

1134

52:15 ,325 --> 00:52:16,735

movies about nothing I want.

1135

52:16 ,735 --> 00:52:19,045

I wanna watch exciting

movies about nothing.

1136

52:19 ,485 --> 00:52:20,745

Marc Preston: Now, how did play Dirty?

1137

52:20 ,805 --> 00:52:22,395

Uh, how did Play Dirty come to you?

1138

52:22 ,725 --> 00:52:26,445

Thomas Jane: I've worked with Shane,

uh, before, you know, me and Shane,

1139

52:26 ,445 --> 00:52:31,065

um, when he had the Nice guys as a

script, we took that down to Austin and

1140

52:31 ,065 --> 00:52:34,575

did a staged reading of the Nice Guys.

1141

52:34 ,635 --> 00:52:39,075

And so we, we've wanted to work

with each other since then.

1142

52:39 ,315 --> 00:52:44,115

'cause we just, you know, I just

love his work and, uh, and I like

1143

52:44 ,115 --> 00:52:45,345

the way it comes outta my mouth.

1144

52:45 ,345 --> 00:52:46,065

And so does he.

1145

52:46 ,065 --> 00:52:53,755

So when that movie, uh, got going, he

wanted me to play the part, uh, mm-hmm.

1146

52:53 ,805 --> 00:52:58,935

And I was in Toronto shooting

The Expanse, so I, I couldn't do

1147

52:58 ,935 --> 00:53:01,245

it, uh, which was heartbreaking.

1148

53:01 ,275 --> 00:53:01,335

No.

1149

53:01 ,335 --> 00:53:02,385

Which, which part in the nice

1150

53:02 ,385 --> 00:53:03,645

Marc Preston: guys was, uh,

1151

53:03 ,825 --> 00:53:07,065

Thomas Jane: the nice guys, the

other guy, you know, not, not, uh.

1152

53:07 ,140 --> 00:53:10,529

N not the Australian, uh, Russell.

1153

53:10 ,710 --> 00:53:11,490

Oh, uh, Ryan.

1154

53:12 ,150 --> 00:53:12,540

Uh, yeah.

1155

53:12 ,720 --> 00:53:13,440

Ryan's part.

1156

53:13 ,470 --> 00:53:13,830

Yeah.

1157

53:13 ,830 --> 00:53:13,859

Okay.

1158

53:14 ,040 --> 00:53:16,500

So we've wanted to work together.

1159

53:16 ,500 --> 00:53:21,330

So we finally, you know, when Predator

came along, uh, he wanted to do this,

1160

53:21 ,330 --> 00:53:22,950

this oddball version of Predator.

1161

53:22 ,950 --> 00:53:25,049

Of course, I said, yes, we had a blast.

1162

53:25 ,049 --> 00:53:28,440

And then so when, uh, played

Dirty came along, he wanted

1163

53:28 ,440 --> 00:53:31,500

me to, to, he gave me a call.

1164

53:31 Working with Talented Directors

53:31 ,500 --> 00:53:36,000

And anytime, uh, a guy like, uh,

Shane, you know, I learned that lesson

1165

53:36 ,000 --> 00:53:37,620

the hard way when I was younger.

1166

53:37 ,620 --> 00:53:43,980

I turned down really talented

directors, um, a couple of times.

1167

53:44 ,040 --> 00:53:48,089

And as I got older, I realized,

that's really dumb, you

1168

53:48 ,089 --> 00:53:49,529

know, and it doesn't matter.

1169

53:50 ,160 --> 00:53:53,549

I wanna do movies that I wanna watch.

1170

53:53 ,580 --> 00:53:55,500

That's sort of the general barometer.

1171

53:56 ,040 --> 00:54:00,810

But there's another side to the

business where if you, if you have

1172

54:00 ,810 --> 00:54:02,850

a particular talent and a really.

1173

54:03 ,420 --> 00:54:06,540

Strong director wants to

use it, you should take it.

1174

54:07 ,560 --> 00:54:11,730

Um, and, and, and that's called

being of service, you know?

1175

54:11 ,730 --> 00:54:11,790

Yeah.

1176

54:11 ,819 --> 00:54:16,740

So that's sort of something I was more

selfish as a young man, and now I'm much,

1177

54:16 ,799 --> 00:54:22,379

now I see I have a, a, a bigger sort of,

my scope has, has broadened a little bit.

1178

54:22 ,950 --> 00:54:24,480

Um, and it took me a while.

1179

54:24 ,480 --> 00:54:27,180

You know, again, this sort

of the, one of the downfall.

1180

54:27 ,495 --> 00:54:30,765

Downsides of being an outsider,

you know, things that might seem

1181

54:30 ,765 --> 00:54:33,255

obvious to other people, uh, take me.

1182

54:33 ,375 --> 00:54:34,095

Well, I think that's still a

1183

54:34 ,095 --> 00:54:35,925

Marc Preston: function of

being young in your twenties.

1184

54:35 ,925 --> 00:54:38,385

You know, like I, I talked to somebody

the other day, I said, there's no way in

1185

54:38 ,385 --> 00:54:42,285

hell I would go back and do my twenties

again unless I know what I know now.

1186

54:42 ,735 --> 00:54:44,565

You know, there's a lot of

hitting you edge against

1187

54:44 ,925 --> 00:54:45,075

wall,

1188

54:45 ,075 --> 00:54:45,645

Thomas Jane: you know?

1189

54:45 ,915 --> 00:54:46,305

Yeah.

1190

54:46 ,455 --> 00:54:49,635

Um, it's brutal, you know,

but it's a lot of fun though.

1191

54:49 ,635 --> 00:54:52,575

I mean, Jesus, I wasted

a lot of time with girls.

1192

54:53 ,355 --> 00:54:58,935

Um, it, it was nice to, uh, to sort of,

when, when that calms down a little bit,

1193

54:58 ,935 --> 00:55:03,435

the testosterone drops a little bit,

it a lot more time to get stuff done.

1194

55:03 ,645 --> 00:55:04,515

Kind of reminds me of

1195

55:04 ,545 --> 00:55:06,945

Marc Preston: an interview with Dustin

Hoffman and he says, you know, the

1196

55:06 ,945 --> 00:55:09,705

great thing about being my age, I, he,

I don't know if he was in his fifties

1197

55:09 ,705 --> 00:55:11,295

or sixties, it was an article already.

1198

55:11 ,295 --> 00:55:14,385

He said, you can just kinda walk down

the beach and you're not just paying

1199

55:14 ,385 --> 00:55:15,915

attention to like the girls and all that.

1200

55:15 ,915 --> 00:55:18,175

You're, you're noticing

everything around you.

1201

55:18 ,175 --> 00:55:18,740

You're more Right.

1202

55:18 ,740 --> 00:55:18,940

Life.

1203

55:18 ,970 --> 00:55:19,260

Yeah.

1204

55:19 ,260 --> 00:55:19,660

Everything else.

1205

55:19 ,970 --> 00:55:20,260

Yeah.

1206

55:20 ,410 --> 00:55:20,700

Yeah.

1207

55:21 ,390 --> 00:55:23,415

Everything that doesn't have a tail.

1208

55:23 ,835 --> 00:55:24,674

But what's that phrase?

1209

55:24 ,674 --> 00:55:27,045

If you don't look back on yourself

in your twenties and go, God, I was a

1210

55:27 ,045 --> 00:55:28,785

knucklehead, you're still a knucklehead.

1211

55:28 ,845 --> 00:55:29,295

You know?

1212

55:29 ,295 --> 00:55:30,915

So, um,

1213

55:38 The Seven Questions

55:38 ,115 --> 00:55:40,424

before we get running, I always

do something to call my seven

1214

55:40 ,424 --> 00:55:41,955

questions a little extra fun.

1215

55:42 ,194 --> 00:55:46,095

And the first question I

always ask everyone is What?

1216

55:46 ,095 --> 00:55:48,674

'cause I always gotta talk about

food at least once on the show.

1217

55:49 ,065 --> 00:55:51,615

Uh, what is your favorite comfort food?

1218

55:52 ,725 --> 00:55:53,985

Oh, comfort food.

1219

55:54 ,165 --> 00:55:54,345

Yeah.

1220

55:54 ,345 --> 00:55:54,495

Jesus.

1221

55:54 ,495 --> 00:55:57,615

The one thing, no matter good day,

bad day, you're like, it's just solid.

1222

55:57 ,615 --> 00:55:58,694

It it where you, well, I

1223

55:58 ,694 --> 00:56:02,325

Thomas Jane: tell you right

now, um, see, I, I have this

1224

56:02 ,325 --> 00:56:04,095

thing about American chocolate.

1225

56:04 ,125 --> 00:56:06,075

It really sucks.

1226

56:06 ,105 --> 00:56:08,444

Like, you know, having gotten.

1227

56:09 ,480 --> 00:56:11,250

Uh, travel the world a little bit.

1228

56:11 ,700 --> 00:56:15,900

You find you, you walk into a

little grocery shop in, uh, France

1229

56:15 ,900 --> 00:56:17,250

and you get the best chocolate.

1230

56:17 ,340 --> 00:56:19,740

You know, it's just like they,

when they make something,

1231

56:19 ,740 --> 00:56:21,180

they make it right out here.

1232

56:21 ,180 --> 00:56:22,800

I don't know what the hell they put in it.

1233

56:22 ,890 --> 00:56:23,730

It's awful.

1234

56:23 ,970 --> 00:56:30,630

But I found this little company called

Quest, and they make a peanut butter cup

1235

56:31 ,110 --> 00:56:37,740

that only has like one gram of sugar,

and then it's got, um, whatever the hell,

1236

56:38 ,280 --> 00:56:42,180

uh, protein, it's, it's like, uh, so

you can kind of convince yourself that

1237

56:42 ,180 --> 00:56:43,890

you're actually eating a little protein.

1238

56:44 ,430 --> 00:56:49,170

And they are the best buttercup

peanut butter cups that I've ever had.

1239

56:49 ,170 --> 00:56:52,860

So I keep 'em in the fridge, and

whenever I get a little down, I grab one.

1240

56:53 ,230 --> 00:56:55,540

Marc Preston: Well, they

say dark chocolate is good.

1241

56:55 ,540 --> 00:56:55,780

Good.

1242

56:55 ,780 --> 00:56:58,960

I mean, the real chocolate, like

high cocoa percent is good for you.

1243

56:59 ,110 --> 00:56:59,950

It's your, yeah, I'm

1244

56:59 ,950 --> 00:57:02,020

Thomas Jane: not a big

fan of dark chocolate.

1245

57:02 ,020 --> 00:57:06,730

You know, I some, some of it's

good, but, um, for the most part, I

1246

57:06 ,730 --> 00:57:08,350

wish I liked dark chocolate better.

1247

57:08 ,470 --> 00:57:08,560

Mm-hmm.

1248

57:08 ,860 --> 00:57:11,920

Because then I'd feel, you know, like

I was, you know, being healthy when I

1249

57:11 ,920 --> 00:57:14,590

Marc Preston: ate it, you know, my

daughter's name is Lily, and there's,

1250

57:14 ,590 --> 00:57:17,890

when you go through checkout at Whole

Foods, they have this Lilly's chocolates

1251

57:17 ,890 --> 00:57:20,980

bar, and they have like, but it'd

be this good chocolate that'd have

1252

57:20 ,980 --> 00:57:23,260

like, uh, berries in it or something.

1253

57:23 ,260 --> 00:57:24,040

It was so good.

1254

57:24 ,040 --> 00:57:26,590

It's, it's one of those things, you

sit there and by the time we get

1255

57:26 ,590 --> 00:57:27,580

home we've eaten the whole thing.

1256

57:27 ,580 --> 00:57:30,220

But the idea was to get it home and

it kind of keep it, you know, like

1257

57:30 ,250 --> 00:57:32,740

his little snack, you know, but

it never made it home, you know.

1258

57:33 ,190 --> 00:57:36,340

Um, now the next question I got for

you now, if you were going to sit

1259

57:36 ,340 --> 00:57:39,550

down and have coffee with you and

three other people living or not,

1260

57:40 ,060 --> 00:57:43,120

uh, talk story for a few hours,

who would those three people be?

1261

57:43 ,120 --> 00:57:44,020

You would like to sit down?

1262

57:44 ,020 --> 00:57:48,160

Thomas Jane: Ernest Hemingway,

um, and Dashel Hammett.

1263

57:49 ,120 --> 00:57:51,160

Uh, Ernest Hemingway, Hamit.

1264

57:52 ,620 --> 00:57:59,549

Um, and then, uh, Anais Nin, who's Anais

Nin, why am I drawing a blank on that?

1265

57:59 ,730 --> 00:58:04,020

She hung out with Henry Miller

in the thirties, and they

1266

58:04 ,020 --> 00:58:06,359

were boyfriend and girlfriend.

1267

58:06 ,450 --> 00:58:09,689

Oh, and by the way, you gotta

put Henry Miller in there too.

1268

58:09 ,855 --> 00:58:10,205

Uhhuh.

1269

58:10 ,504 --> 00:58:14,160

But she was, she was a writer.

1270

58:14 ,220 --> 00:58:15,930

She wrote beautiful books.

1271

58:15 ,990 --> 00:58:22,200

Uh, the Diary of a of, um, Ananias Nin is

a great place to start, but the one that I

1272

58:22 ,200 --> 00:58:25,109

love is called A Spy in the House of Love.

1273

58:25 ,259 --> 00:58:27,990

I'm writing this down, so, uh oh.

1274

58:27 ,990 --> 00:58:28,379

Yeah.

1275

58:28 ,379 --> 00:58:32,490

Just a wonderful, uh, stuff, you

know, and, and, and it's nice.

1276

58:32 ,490 --> 00:58:36,299

If you've read Henry Miller, then

you can imagine the kind of world

1277

58:36 ,299 --> 00:58:40,830

that she was writing in and,

and living in when, when she was

1278

58:40 ,830 --> 00:58:42,000

Marc Preston: creating this stuff.

1279

58:42 ,029 --> 00:58:43,169

Well, here, here's a question.

1280

58:43 ,169 --> 00:58:47,040

It's not on my list, but this brings

me to, uh, like, I'm curious, like

1281

58:47 ,040 --> 00:58:49,080

if you could be born in any era.

1282

58:49 ,695 --> 00:58:50,980

Are you kind of like, would you be

1283

58:50 ,980 --> 00:58:51,340

Thomas Jane: forties?

1284

58:51 ,615 --> 00:58:52,005

Marc Preston: The four.

1285

58:52 ,035 --> 00:58:52,395

Thomas Jane: Okay.

1286

58:52 ,485 --> 00:58:57,015

I, so I guess I'd wanna be born in

the twenties 'cause I'd wanna be

1287

58:57 ,015 --> 00:58:59,325

a man in the forties and fifties.

1288

58:59 ,325 --> 00:59:00,255

Yeah, I am.

1289

59:00 ,255 --> 00:59:01,095

It's a great era.

1290

59:01 ,845 --> 00:59:06,015

You know, the, the industry,

the industrial, uh, side of

1291

59:06 ,045 --> 00:59:08,805

western society was peaking.

1292

59:09 ,345 --> 00:59:14,415

Um, you know, we had the, in, we

were ma and, and we were still using.

1293

59:15 ,240 --> 00:59:16,649

Quality materials.

1294

59:16 ,649 --> 00:59:16,710

Yeah.

1295

59:16 ,740 --> 00:59:17,370

To build.

1296

59:17 ,370 --> 00:59:22,049

My house is built in 1940 and it's

built like a brick shit house.

1297

59:22 ,049 --> 00:59:22,529

Mm-hmm.

1298

59:22 ,694 --> 00:59:24,690

Thomas Jane: Um, and I, and I love that.

1299

59:24 ,899 --> 00:59:27,359

And, uh, I will never buy a new house.

1300

59:27 ,420 --> 00:59:30,270

Uh, I would never waste

the money on a new house.

1301

59:30 ,299 --> 00:59:32,759

Marc Preston: You know, the thing

I'm thinking the same thing you are.

1302

59:32 ,759 --> 00:59:36,060

And I told my son the other day, I don't

think I'm ever gonna buy a new car again,

1303

59:36 ,060 --> 00:59:37,274

because I'm at that age, like, mm-hmm.

1304

59:37 ,355 --> 00:59:39,569

What car do I really want to drive?

1305

59:39 ,569 --> 00:59:40,980

You know, I can work on it a little bit.

1306

59:40 ,980 --> 00:59:41,339

You know,

1307

59:41 ,850 --> 00:59:45,000

Thomas Jane: I I, and the cars from

the forties, fifties, you know, in

1308

59:45 ,000 --> 00:59:49,290

the sixties, you know, the, the,

I think about 73 is when it really

1309

59:49 ,290 --> 00:59:54,960

died, but, uh, but the forties

and fifties were peak because the.

1310

59:55 ,395 --> 00:59:57,705

Mechanics were worked out.

1311

59:58 ,274 --> 01:00:01,845

Uh, and the design was brilliant.

1312

1:00:01 ,935 --> 01:00:04,935

And they were, you know, they were

built, they were built to last.

1313

1:00:04 ,935 --> 01:00:05,145

Marc Preston: Yeah.

1314

1:00:05 ,145 --> 01:00:09,134

That, that built in obsolescence

that goes into stuff these days.

1315

1:00:09 ,134 --> 01:00:09,464

Hadn't

1316

1:00:09 ,464 --> 01:00:09,855

Thomas Jane: happened

1317

1:00:09 ,855 --> 01:00:10,065

Marc Preston: yet.

1318

1:00:10 ,095 --> 01:00:10,605

Yeah.

1319

1:00:10 ,605 --> 01:00:10,615

Yeah.

1320

1:00:11 ,145 --> 01:00:13,185

Um, now that next question got for you.

1321

1:00:13 ,185 --> 01:00:14,955

If you were to go back when

you were a kid, who was your

1322

1:00:14 ,955 --> 01:00:16,875

very first celebrity crush?

1323

1:00:19 ,035 --> 01:00:20,085

Oh, uh,

1324

1:00:20 ,115 --> 01:00:20,565

Thomas Jane: Carol Baker.

1325

1:00:21 ,015 --> 01:00:21,075

Marc Preston: Yeah.

1326

1:00:22 ,245 --> 01:00:25,395

Thomas Jane: Carol Baker,

uh, from two movies.

1327

1:00:25 ,725 --> 01:00:30,674

One is she was in, uh,

uh, giant with James Dean.

1328

1:00:30 ,674 --> 01:00:30,795

Mm-hmm.

1329

1:00:31 ,185 --> 01:00:35,714

Which, uh, I, I loved James

Dean when I was a kid.

1330

1:00:35 ,714 --> 01:00:38,205

It, it really inspired me to be an actor.

1331

1:00:38 ,295 --> 01:00:44,205

And then, um, uh, baby Doll,

which was directed by Ilya Kazan.

1332

1:00:44 ,205 --> 01:00:46,245

The script is by Tennessee Williams.

1333

1:00:46 ,245 --> 01:00:47,174

Oh, okay.

1334

1:00:47 ,174 --> 01:00:49,515

Um, it's, it's got Eli Wallach in it.

1335

1:00:49 ,754 --> 01:00:52,275

Uh, it absolutely brilliant.

1336

1:00:52 ,665 --> 01:00:56,535

And it's the best female

performance that if for my money

1337

1:00:56 ,835 --> 01:00:58,335

that's ever been put on film.

1338

1:00:58 ,605 --> 01:01:00,165

The film is called Baby Doll.

1339

1:01:00 ,194 --> 01:01:04,484

Anybody, uh, want to, want to, um,

if you're into that kind of thing,

1340

1:01:04 ,484 --> 01:01:08,984

like incredibly beautiful women who

can act their ass off, uh, check out

1341

1:01:08 ,984 --> 01:01:09,705

Marc Preston: Carol Baker.

1342

1:01:10 ,234 --> 01:01:11,315

You're giving me homework here.

1343

1:01:11 ,315 --> 01:01:11,975

I like this.

1344

1:01:12 ,305 --> 01:01:13,774

You know, that's one of the

things I love about doing this.

1345

1:01:13 ,774 --> 01:01:16,504

I always end up learning something

or getting something on my, uh,

1346

1:01:16 ,805 --> 01:01:17,825

to Yeah, they're great to watch.

1347

1:01:17 ,825 --> 01:01:18,305

Movie list.

1348

1:01:18 ,305 --> 01:01:21,935

You, uh, now if you were

to be, next question.

1349

1:01:21 ,935 --> 01:01:24,634

If you're gonna be forced to live on

an island, uh, somewhere you wanna be

1350

1:01:24 ,634 --> 01:01:28,504

nice ex, you know, it's pretty, it's

tropical, uh, got all the wonderful

1351

1:01:28 ,504 --> 01:01:32,254

modern amenities, but you don't have

internet, so that means you're to, to

1352

1:01:32 ,254 --> 01:01:33,875

listen to music for that full year.

1353

1:01:33 ,875 --> 01:01:37,955

You're gonna be on the island, you gotta

bring one cd, uh, to listen to music and

1354

1:01:37 ,955 --> 01:01:39,245

to watch a movie, you gotta bring one.

1355

1:01:39 ,245 --> 01:01:39,815

DVD.

1356

1:01:39 ,815 --> 01:01:42,785

What would that cd and what

would that DVD be for you?

1357

1:01:43 ,565 --> 01:01:46,444

Thomas Jane: I like the

final cut by Pink Floyd.

1358

1:01:46 ,774 --> 01:01:49,625

That is a record I can listen

to over and over again.

1359

1:01:49 ,895 --> 01:01:54,095

Now the wall gets, you know, it,

you can burn out on the wall.

1360

1:01:54 ,100 --> 01:01:54,220

Mm-hmm.

1361

1:01:54 ,370 --> 01:01:56,225

It's, it's, um, brilliant.

1362

1:01:56 ,225 --> 01:01:57,515

The dark side of the moon.

1363

1:01:57 ,575 --> 01:01:59,105

I can burn out on that too.

1364

1:01:59 ,220 --> 01:02:02,285

I, I don't really care if I ever

hear the dark side of the moon again.

1365

1:02:02 ,285 --> 01:02:05,765

I've only heard it about,

uh, maybe like 2000 times.

1366

1:02:05 ,765 --> 01:02:05,915

Yeah.

1367

1:02:06 ,680 --> 01:02:08,100

But, but the final cut.

1368

1:02:08 ,730 --> 01:02:14,850

Takes you on this journey and, and

the album ends where the album begins.

1369

1:02:14 ,850 --> 01:02:20,700

So it's a circular, uh, if you put it on

repeat, the, the album never ends, right?

1370

1:02:20 ,700 --> 01:02:25,800

So the last song ends precisely

where the first song begins.

1371

1:02:25 ,925 --> 01:02:26,145

Oh.

1372

1:02:26 ,190 --> 01:02:30,420

So it's a, it's a record that you

can put on and you, and whenever

1373

1:02:30 ,420 --> 01:02:32,190

you want, you never turn it off.

1374

1:02:32 ,280 --> 01:02:32,940

I could do that.

1375

1:02:32 ,940 --> 01:02:37,440

Well, every song is brilliant, but

it takes you on a journey, um, that

1376

1:02:37 ,440 --> 01:02:43,230

is emotional and philosophical and

spiritual that, uh, that I think

1377

1:02:43 ,230 --> 01:02:45,420

is, um, is their best record.

1378

1:02:46 ,055 --> 01:02:46,505

Marc Preston: Very cool.

1379

1:02:46 ,505 --> 01:02:46,740

Very cool.

1380

1:02:47 ,550 --> 01:02:49,080

Now, as far as in a film, yeah,

1381

1:02:50 ,430 --> 01:02:51,330

Thomas Jane: that's a tough one.

1382

1:02:51 ,750 --> 01:02:53,460

I don't know, there's so many.

1383

1:02:54 ,570 --> 01:02:57,120

There's so many films.

1384

1:02:57 ,120 --> 01:02:58,020

What's a film

1385

1:02:58 ,020 --> 01:02:58,110

Marc Preston: that

1386

1:02:58 ,110 --> 01:02:59,520

Thomas Jane: you wouldn't get tired of?

1387

1:02:59 ,520 --> 01:02:59,970

Jesus.

1388

1:02:59 ,970 --> 01:03:00,030

Yeah.

1389

1:03:00 ,030 --> 01:03:01,260

Marc Preston: What, what's

like, what's something that

1390

1:03:01 ,260 --> 01:03:02,460

comes on whenever it comes on?

1391

1:03:02 ,580 --> 01:03:04,230

What's, doesn't really

happen as much anymore?

1392

1:03:04 ,230 --> 01:03:06,630

Like where something comes on TV

is already playing and you say,

1393

1:03:06 ,630 --> 01:03:07,980

I'm gonna finish watching this.

1394

1:03:07 ,980 --> 01:03:09,540

You know, there is anything I, I mean,

1395

1:03:10 ,140 --> 01:03:15,120

Thomas Jane: a wild bunch, that's a film

that comes on and whenever it comes on,

1396

1:03:15 ,120 --> 01:03:17,220

of course you have to watch TCM like I do.

1397

1:03:17 ,700 --> 01:03:19,440

Uh, otherwise it'll never come on.

1398

1:03:19 ,920 --> 01:03:25,950

But, uh, when the Wild Bunch comes

on, um, that's a, that's a symphony,

1399

1:03:26 ,100 --> 01:03:30,390

you know, that's a symphony of

film that you, uh, might be able

1400

1:03:30 ,390 --> 01:03:33,360

to, to see different things in.

1401

1:03:33 ,450 --> 01:03:35,370

Um, you know, that that's the key.

1402

1:03:35 ,370 --> 01:03:38,040

You want, you wanna pick

something that you can C con

1403

1:03:38 ,460 --> 01:03:40,650

that's continually unfolding.

1404

1:03:40 ,650 --> 01:03:40,710

Yeah.

1405

1:03:40 ,740 --> 01:03:45,510

That you're finding new, new

meaning, new things, uh, inside.

1406

1:03:46 ,290 --> 01:03:49,560

Um, and, uh, then those

kind of movies are, uh.

1407

1:03:50 ,700 --> 01:03:52,440

Are few and far between.

1408

1:03:53 ,549 --> 01:03:55,170

Blade Runner is a one.

1409

1:03:55 ,170 --> 01:03:56,370

Blade Runner is a one.

1410

1:03:56 ,490 --> 01:03:57,265

Oh, yeah.

1411

1:03:57 ,265 --> 01:03:57,424

Yeah.

1412

1:03:57 ,424 --> 01:04:00,060

The, the orig the uh, uh,

watch that, that yeah.

1413

1:04:00 ,060 --> 01:04:00,870

That's the, you can

1414

1:04:00 ,870 --> 01:04:01,259

Marc Preston: always

1415

1:04:01 ,259 --> 01:04:01,859

Thomas Jane: find new

1416

1:04:01 ,859 --> 01:04:03,540

Marc Preston: things in, in Blade Runner.

1417

1:04:03 ,810 --> 01:04:06,480

Well, it's got that film noir

kind of vibe to it, you know?

1418

1:04:06 ,480 --> 01:04:06,870

Doesn't it?

1419

1:04:07 ,080 --> 01:04:10,200

Thomas Jane: The best, it's the

best combo of Phil Noir science

1420

1:04:10 ,200 --> 01:04:15,029

fictions Ever, ever made people,

people try, but, uh, that's the best.

1421

1:04:15 ,365 --> 01:04:17,009

Did, did, they did a remake

of that, didn't they?

1422

1:04:17 ,040 --> 01:04:17,850

Marc Preston: With um

1423

1:04:18 ,540 --> 01:04:18,900

Thomas Jane: Oh yeah.

1424

1:04:18 ,975 --> 01:04:19,265

Yeah.

1425

1:04:19 ,290 --> 01:04:19,770

It's great.

1426

1:04:19 ,890 --> 01:04:20,430

With Ryan.

1427

1:04:21 ,060 --> 01:04:22,109

Ryan Goslin was in it.

1428

1:04:22 ,109 --> 01:04:22,380

Yeah.

1429

1:04:23 ,040 --> 01:04:26,400

It's the one movie where you're like,

you know, if they had a producer cut.

1430

1:04:26 ,850 --> 01:04:27,900

It would've been brilliant.

1431

1:04:28 ,080 --> 01:04:32,670

It's just a, they let gave the, they

gave everybody a little too much leeway.

1432

1:04:33 ,150 --> 01:04:34,110

The movie's too long.

1433

1:04:34 ,470 --> 01:04:34,590

Yeah.

1434

1:04:34 ,590 --> 01:04:36,450

But brilliant.

1435

1:04:36 ,930 --> 01:04:39,990

I mean, as far as, you know,

movies that, that are too long,

1436

1:04:39 ,990 --> 01:04:41,490

it's, you know, one of the best.

1437

1:04:42 ,390 --> 01:04:42,570

Marc Preston: Yeah.

1438

1:04:42 ,570 --> 01:04:43,470

Talk about film noir.

1439

1:04:43 ,470 --> 01:04:46,290

The, uh, that was that Ryan

Reynolds film, was it Drive, I

1440

1:04:46 ,290 --> 01:04:47,490

think had a great soundtrack.

1441

1:04:47 ,490 --> 01:04:48,450

I had a vibe to it.

1442

1:04:48 ,455 --> 01:04:50,220

It kind of had a Drive

1443

1:04:50 ,220 --> 01:04:51,630

Thomas Jane: is one of my favorites.

1444

1:04:51 ,660 --> 01:04:51,990

Yeah.

1445

1:04:52 ,140 --> 01:04:53,640

Drive is right up my alley.

1446

1:04:53 ,640 --> 01:04:55,485

The soundtrack that was

just, that's right up my

1447

1:04:55 ,485 --> 01:04:55,645

alley.

1448

1:04:55 ,645 --> 01:04:55,845

Thomas Jane: Yeah.

1449

1:04:55 ,845 --> 01:04:56,245

Caught on.

1450

1:04:56 ,245 --> 01:04:56,405

Yeah.

1451

1:04:56 ,410 --> 01:04:56,490

Yeah.

1452

1:04:56 ,520 --> 01:04:58,140

Oh, and what a brilliant soundtrack.

1453

1:04:58 ,140 --> 01:04:58,770

Jesus.

1454

1:04:59 ,430 --> 01:05:00,540

I love the look of it.

1455

1:05:00 ,780 --> 01:05:01,950

I love the feel of it.

1456

1:05:02 ,190 --> 01:05:03,600

I love that actor in it.

1457

1:05:03 ,600 --> 01:05:04,140

The lead.

1458

1:05:04 ,380 --> 01:05:05,040

He's great.

1459

1:05:05 ,339 --> 01:05:05,940

Peak

1460

1:05:06 ,150 --> 01:05:06,390

Marc Preston: Peak.

1461

1:05:06 ,839 --> 01:05:10,770

So a movie like the film Noir, I think,

you know, does lean on the aesthetic,

1462

1:05:10 ,770 --> 01:05:14,250

the look, the, the energy you're picking

up, even when there's no dialogue.

1463

1:05:14 ,279 --> 01:05:15,000

I don't know, it's just you get

1464

1:05:15 ,000 --> 01:05:18,450

Thomas Jane: emotion from the

shadows and the light play.

1465

1:05:18 ,450 --> 01:05:18,509

Yeah.

1466

1:05:18 ,509 --> 01:05:24,240

And you know, if you're, if the, the peak

of film no noir, um, you could turn the

1467

1:05:24 ,240 --> 01:05:28,589

sound down, you know, and then when you

turn the sound up, it's somebody like

1468

1:05:28 ,589 --> 01:05:31,350

Billy Wilder who's written the screenplay.

1469

1:05:31 ,380 --> 01:05:33,900

So yeah, it doesn't really

get better than the, than the

1470

1:05:33 ,900 --> 01:05:35,130

Marc Preston: Phil Noir or the forties.

1471

1:05:35 ,130 --> 01:05:35,910

And for my money.

1472

1:05:36 ,120 --> 01:05:40,140

Now you've reinvigorated me to jump

on the, uh, the streamers and go start

1473

1:05:40 ,140 --> 01:05:42,029

digging up some older movies here.

1474

1:05:42 ,420 --> 01:05:42,569

Right Now.

1475

1:05:42 ,930 --> 01:05:46,410

The next question I got for you, uh, is,

is if you're to say from stem to stern,

1476

1:05:46 ,410 --> 01:05:50,520

from the time you get up, time you go to

bed, what for you are the component parts

1477

1:05:50 ,580 --> 01:05:52,620

of what would be a perfect day for you?

1478

1:05:52 ,830 --> 01:05:56,640

You know, you said this day rocked this,

is, this had all the right ingredients?

1479

1:05:57 ,360 --> 01:06:01,110

Thomas Jane: Well, right

now I am finishing a book

1480

1:06:01 ,140 --> 01:06:02,910

that I have written about.

1481

1:06:03 ,240 --> 01:06:09,690

Uh, aliens about visiting Aliens, alien

Intelligence, visiting Planet Earth.

1482

1:06:09 ,690 --> 01:06:15,090

It's a nonfiction book, and

I've been studying the subject

1483

1:06:15 ,090 --> 01:06:17,550

for, uh, I don't know, 15 years.

1484

1:06:17 ,760 --> 01:06:23,280

And, uh, we're hitting a really

interesting moment here in society

1485

1:06:23 ,280 --> 01:06:27,150

where this stuff is now starting to

bubble up to the, to the forefront.

1486

1:06:27 ,270 --> 01:06:31,800

You know, I spent years, and this was,

you know, u Ethological conventions

1487

1:06:31 ,800 --> 01:06:37,620

would just be, you know, 50 nerds in

the, the ballroom of a Holiday Inn.

1488

1:06:37 ,620 --> 01:06:39,990

But, but now it's, it's really grown.

1489

1:06:40 ,140 --> 01:06:44,160

Um, and we're, we're starting

to get an injection of serious,

1490

1:06:44 ,430 --> 01:06:46,470

uh, thought into the subject.

1491

1:06:46 ,530 --> 01:06:52,110

And the subject demands serious

thought, uh, because it challenges.

1492

1:06:52 ,710 --> 01:06:57,840

What we were talking about earlier,

it challenges humanity, uh, with,

1493

1:06:58 ,050 --> 01:07:01,350

um, a purpose, uh, with meaning.

1494

1:07:01 ,860 --> 01:07:07,890

It challenges us to, um, ask

ourselves what would it take to become

1495

1:07:08 ,400 --> 01:07:13,410

an, an interstellar civilization

beyond the, uh, technology?

1496

1:07:13 ,500 --> 01:07:15,540

It, it takes more than just technology.

1497

1:07:15 ,540 --> 01:07:20,430

It takes a coherence, uh, that

we currently don't have, but we

1498

1:07:20 ,820 --> 01:07:23,100

could learn a few things by, uh.

1499

1:07:23 ,805 --> 01:07:27,255

Studying the phenomenon

of visiting aliens.

1500

1:07:27 ,285 --> 01:07:27,435

Yeah.

1501

1:07:27 ,435 --> 01:07:27,495

The

1502

1:07:27 ,495 --> 01:07:30,135

Marc Preston: sociology of it is one

of the only things holding us back.

1503

1:07:30 ,135 --> 01:07:32,595

I remember Reagan had a, even,

he had some kind of a speech

1504

1:07:32 ,595 --> 01:07:34,785

you said of some alien thinking.

1505

1:07:34 ,785 --> 01:07:35,265

He mentioned

1506

1:07:35 ,265 --> 01:07:37,605

Thomas Jane: it several

times in his speeches.

1507

1:07:37 ,605 --> 01:07:43,035

You know, imagine if we were facing a

threat from, you know, and that's, um,

1508

1:07:44 ,205 --> 01:07:46,695

minor, that's a very minor concern.

1509

1:07:46 ,695 --> 01:07:51,975

You know, you have to think civilization's

capable of destroying their planets,

1510

1:07:51 ,975 --> 01:07:56,805

but haven't done so be and lived

long enough to become cosmological.

1511

1:07:57 ,255 --> 01:08:00,795

Uh, they've outgrown, uh, war.

1512

1:08:00 ,885 --> 01:08:02,325

They've outgrown territory.

1513

1:08:02 ,325 --> 01:08:04,845

They've outgrown resource depletion.

1514

1:08:05 ,145 --> 01:08:05,565

Okay.

1515

1:08:05 ,895 --> 01:08:07,125

They've figured out.

1516

1:08:07 ,430 --> 01:08:13,100

Uh, how to live in this world, in this

universe, and that's what we need to do.

1517

1:08:13 ,100 --> 01:08:15,140

We need to figure out how to live

1518

1:08:15 ,350 --> 01:08:16,880

Marc Preston: as opposed to just existing.

1519

1:08:16 ,885 --> 01:08:17,840

Yeah, yeah.

1520

1:08:17 ,845 --> 01:08:18,255

That's that.

1521

1:08:18 ,260 --> 01:08:18,440

And

1522

1:08:18 ,440 --> 01:08:19,790

Thomas Jane: destroying ourselves.

1523

1:08:19 ,790 --> 01:08:19,850

Yeah.

1524

1:08:19 ,850 --> 01:08:21,140

We're not just existing.

1525

1:08:21 ,170 --> 01:08:26,000

We are damaging the life giving

systems that gave us life.

1526

1:08:26 ,000 --> 01:08:26,990

We're damaging them.

1527

1:08:27 ,020 --> 01:08:31,010

We're not just subsisting,

we are causing damage.

1528

1:08:31 ,279 --> 01:08:34,040

And, you know, we're all like,

well, what can I do about it?

1529

1:08:34 ,040 --> 01:08:38,000

I, I marvel at the amount of

trash that I make every day.

1530

1:08:38 ,840 --> 01:08:38,930

Yeah.

1531

1:08:38 ,935 --> 01:08:40,069

And just living, yeah.

1532

1:08:40 ,069 --> 01:08:42,770

Just like, you know,

just, just the basics.

1533

1:08:42 ,770 --> 01:08:46,130

Like, not going to, you know,

buying a new pair of boots.

1534

1:08:46 ,130 --> 01:08:49,490

You know, I don't do any of

that stuff, but just living

1535

1:08:49 ,490 --> 01:08:51,800

life, I create so much trash.

1536

1:08:51 ,830 --> 01:08:55,460

And then you gotta, you gotta times

that by billions and you're like, wow.

1537

1:08:55 ,520 --> 01:08:55,790

Yeah.

1538

1:08:55 ,790 --> 01:08:55,800

Yeah.

1539

1:08:56 ,580 --> 01:08:58,529

Marc Preston: I was thinking

about that the other day also.

1540

1:08:58 ,529 --> 01:09:01,800

I was like, is it's just my kids are

off at school or it's just me and the

1541

1:09:01 ,800 --> 01:09:03,930

dog And I'm like, I'm taking the trash.

1542

1:09:03 ,930 --> 01:09:05,399

I'm like, how am I generating this much?

1543

1:09:05 ,399 --> 01:09:08,895

You know, I, I remember my eighth grade

history teacher told me when they, he,

1544

1:09:08 ,899 --> 01:09:12,690

he had lived it taught in Germany and

he remembered that he had this little

1545

1:09:12 ,690 --> 01:09:14,250

small trashcan in front of his house.

1546

1:09:14 ,250 --> 01:09:17,250

'cause they just didn't generate

the same amount of trash

1547

1:09:17 ,250 --> 01:09:18,375

trash that we did over here.

1548

1:09:18 ,404 --> 01:09:18,694

They

1549

1:09:18 ,694 --> 01:09:21,450

Thomas Jane: do the trash

cans are smaller in Europe.

1550

1:09:21 ,450 --> 01:09:22,710

You're absolutely right.

1551

1:09:23 ,220 --> 01:09:24,060

I remember having

1552

1:09:24 ,060 --> 01:09:25,109

Marc Preston: that same epiphany.

1553

1:09:25 ,290 --> 01:09:27,750

I don't know, it's weird 'cause

they say you get more conservative

1554

1:09:27 ,750 --> 01:09:28,649

as you get older from me.

1555

1:09:28 ,649 --> 01:09:32,730

I'm getting more like, you know, dialed

into things like really it's, well 'cause

1556

1:09:32 ,730 --> 01:09:37,020

grew up in a, in the eighties that was the

conspicuous consumption decade, you know?

1557

1:09:37 ,410 --> 01:09:37,590

Yeah.

1558

1:09:37 ,590 --> 01:09:41,520

So, so that was so kind of still

deprogramming from that, I guess.

1559

1:09:41 ,520 --> 01:09:41,880

I don't know.

1560

1:09:42 ,120 --> 01:09:45,180

Look, now that I'm not

chasing tail every day, uh.

1561

1:09:46 ,780 --> 01:09:49,930

It's amazing how much time that

frees up in your life, you know,

1562

1:09:49 ,930 --> 01:09:53,260

and you're not concerned about,

you know, peacocking and, you know,

1563

1:09:53 ,500 --> 01:09:54,520

Thomas Jane: and when you get older.

1564

1:09:54 ,520 --> 01:10:00,310

I think our job is to sort of, you know,

ma pose these questions and, uh, and

1565

1:10:00 ,310 --> 01:10:06,850

challenges to society, especially, uh,

as artists and as communicators, uh, that

1566

1:10:06 ,850 --> 01:10:11,590

becomes, you know, part, part of the,

uh, privilege of having, uh, been around

1567

1:10:11 ,745 --> 01:10:13,570

a, a few swings of the merry-go-round.

1568

1:10:14 ,179 --> 01:10:15,980

Marc Preston: You know that I was

thinking about that the other day,

1569

1:10:15 ,980 --> 01:10:19,070

that, you know, when, you know

you've lived long enough that some

1570

1:10:19 ,070 --> 01:10:20,450

people didn't make the full journey.

1571

1:10:20 ,450 --> 01:10:23,509

They departed early, you know, and,

and here you are, you're still here.

1572

1:10:23 ,719 --> 01:10:26,960

Got a couple gray hairs, and now

it's like, okay, well now it's

1573

1:10:26 ,960 --> 01:10:28,309

like, okay, where's a young person?

1574

1:10:28 ,309 --> 01:10:32,480

Lemme pass this along, as you know,

you know, and my kids are like,

1575

1:10:32 ,480 --> 01:10:35,000

you know, sometimes I swear they

almost wanna pat me on my head and

1576

1:10:35 ,000 --> 01:10:36,200

go, oh, bless your heart daddy.

1577

1:10:36 ,410 --> 01:10:36,469

Okay.

1578

1:10:36 ,469 --> 01:10:36,830

Yeah.

1579

1:10:36 ,830 --> 01:10:37,580

They don't wanna listen.

1580

1:10:38 ,090 --> 01:10:41,299

But the, but the important stuff, when I

say, okay, I really want you to listen.

1581

1:10:41 ,299 --> 01:10:44,224

I, I want to have those moments when

I know they're dialed in, you know?

1582

1:10:44 ,224 --> 01:10:44,505

Yeah.

1583

1:10:44 ,505 --> 01:10:45,545

It's like here, what I'm saying.

1584

1:10:45 ,605 --> 01:10:47,000

And the, the way to do that

1585

1:10:47 ,000 --> 01:10:48,080

Thomas Jane: is through story.

1586

1:10:48 ,290 --> 01:10:48,469

Mm-hmm.

1587

1:10:49 ,340 --> 01:10:49,429

Thomas Jane: Yes.

1588

1:10:49 ,429 --> 01:10:49,440

Yes.

1589

1:10:49 ,460 --> 01:10:54,650

And it's through compelling, uh, you know,

if things that we can create, I think

1590

1:10:54 ,650 --> 01:10:59,750

through the art that you, the work that

you do and that I do, we can, we can, uh.

1591

1:11:00 ,934 --> 01:11:04,030

Uh, we can add something

to the conversation

1592

1:11:04 ,030 --> 01:11:04,929

Marc Preston: that needs to be added.

1593

1:11:05 ,275 --> 01:11:06,639

A a hundred percent agree.

1594

1:11:06 ,700 --> 01:11:10,090

Uh, that brings me kind of to the next

question, which is, if you weren't

1595

1:11:10 ,090 --> 01:11:13,330

doing this, if, if they said, you

know, Thomas, man, the acting thing,

1596

1:11:13 ,330 --> 01:11:17,769

theater, all that, it is just not, it's

just not available to you, what right.

1597

1:11:17 ,769 --> 01:11:18,550

Would be your number two?

1598

1:11:18 ,550 --> 01:11:21,340

What would be the vocation

that you feeld bring your joy?

1599

1:11:21 ,635 --> 01:11:22,115

A writer.

1600

1:11:22 ,445 --> 01:11:22,985

Absolutely.

1601

1:11:22 ,985 --> 01:11:25,565

Thomas Jane: I absolutely,

I've thought I really love it.

1602

1:11:25 ,565 --> 01:11:28,115

It's taken me years to get any good at it.

1603

1:11:28 ,265 --> 01:11:31,415

Um, like everything, it

just takes time, you know?

1604

1:11:31 ,415 --> 01:11:33,005

And it takes work.

1605

1:11:33 ,065 --> 01:11:39,305

You know, I've been writing for,

uh, 10 years and nothing has come

1606

1:11:39 ,305 --> 01:11:43,325

out that I've would ever want

share with anybody until now.

1607

1:11:43 ,895 --> 01:11:48,725

So I've finally, you know, learned

how to string words together to form a

1608

1:11:48 ,725 --> 01:11:53,945

sentence that make a paragraph that then,

then, you know, can, can make a chapter.

1609

1:11:53 ,990 --> 01:11:58,325

I, I figured that that's no easy task

and I've figured out how to do that.

1610

1:11:58 ,955 --> 01:12:03,845

Um, and I really, you know, now

deeply appreciate more than ever,

1611

1:12:03 ,845 --> 01:12:07,505

I've always been a reader, but now I

deeply appreciate the craft and art of

1612

1:12:07 ,505 --> 01:12:09,005

writing, and that's what I'm into now.

1613

1:12:09 ,065 --> 01:12:10,055

Marc Preston: It's kinda like acting.

1614

1:12:10 ,055 --> 01:12:11,705

It's all about the choices you make.

1615

1:12:11 ,735 --> 01:12:15,725

Uh, you know, 'cause I mean, for me, I

would run into an issue of so much I'd

1616

1:12:15 ,725 --> 01:12:19,925

wanna put on paper that, you know, even

when I, when I have to do something, write

1617

1:12:19 ,925 --> 01:12:23,435

something which is more extensive, I'm

like, oh God, I gotta shorten this up.

1618

1:12:23 ,435 --> 01:12:23,975

You know,

1619

1:12:25 ,175 --> 01:12:27,185

Thomas Jane: the, the hard, that's

the hard part is making it shorter.

1620

1:12:27 ,185 --> 01:12:28,925

The hardest part of writing.

1621

1:12:29 ,170 --> 01:12:30,220

Is making it short.

1622

1:12:30 ,280 --> 01:12:30,640

Mm-hmm.

1623

1:12:30 ,880 --> 01:12:34,210

Like say what you wanna say with

as few words as possible and

1624

1:12:34 ,210 --> 01:12:37,780

as simple ideas as you possibly

can in a way that's not boring.

1625

1:12:38 ,440 --> 01:12:40,810

Um, takes a lot of work.

1626

1:12:41 ,200 --> 01:12:41,350

Yeah.

1627

1:12:41 ,410 --> 01:12:42,310

I, I'm one of those people.

1628

1:12:42 ,310 --> 01:12:45,520

I do a brain dump and then I just

kind of clean it up from there.

1629

1:12:45 ,550 --> 01:12:46,115

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1630

1:12:46 ,330 --> 01:12:46,990

You gotta do that.

1631

1:12:47 ,200 --> 01:12:49,900

Let's, what Hemingway said, he

said, you know, I write a hundred

1632

1:12:49 ,900 --> 01:12:50,835

pages to get one good one.

1633

1:12:51 ,895 --> 01:12:52,945

Marc Preston: Yeah, I, I

think you ought to do it.

1634

1:12:52 ,945 --> 01:12:55,915

'cause if you're, if you're throttling

or filtering yourself, you're, you're

1635

1:12:55 ,915 --> 01:12:57,625

not, you're maybe holding something back.

1636

1:12:57 ,625 --> 01:12:58,285

It needs to get out.

1637

1:12:58 ,285 --> 01:13:00,805

Like, oh yeah, okay, now I can

take this somewhere, you know?

1638

1:13:01 ,075 --> 01:13:01,345

Thomas Jane: Right.

1639

1:13:01 ,465 --> 01:13:03,025

Drunk edit sober.

1640

1:13:03 ,140 --> 01:13:05,155

I, I write sober and edit sober.

1641

1:13:05 ,155 --> 01:13:09,715

But, but that's the general, you know,

you can get into the spirit of that

1642

1:13:09 ,715 --> 01:13:11,815

without an actual bottle of alcohol.

1643

1:13:12 ,025 --> 01:13:16,555

You, you can, you can

write freely and then edit.

1644

1:13:16 ,825 --> 01:13:17,725

Um, concise

1645

1:13:18 ,445 --> 01:13:21,925

Marc Preston: ruthlessly Well, as a

writer, just one, one question on that

1646

1:13:21 ,925 --> 01:13:23,995

is, if you said what inspires you?

1647

1:13:23 ,995 --> 01:13:25,945

What, what lights the fuse for you?

1648

1:13:25 ,945 --> 01:13:31,585

Usually song or a relationship or what,

what kind of are, are watching something,

1649

1:13:31 ,585 --> 01:13:33,625

what usually fires that up for you?

1650

1:13:34 ,155 --> 01:13:38,085

Thomas Jane: Well, I mean, right now

it's the research, you know, it's, uh,

1651

1:13:38 ,625 --> 01:13:43,275

right now I get fired up when I discover

and put a new connection together

1652

1:13:43 ,275 --> 01:13:48,764

between two pieces of information that

I've learned through the research I'm

1653

1:13:48 ,764 --> 01:13:55,545

doing about, um, uh, visiting aliens

or UFOs or the government interaction

1654

1:13:55 ,545 --> 01:14:00,585

with those things or personal

experiences that people have had.

1655

1:14:00 ,585 --> 01:14:05,115

We have a fan, beautiful thing about

the internet, and the reason why

1656

1:14:05 ,115 --> 01:14:10,485

this is bubbling to the surface of

society now is because we've collected

1657

1:14:10 ,485 --> 01:14:13,755

stories over decades since the 1940s.

1658

1:14:13 ,755 --> 01:14:19,245

We've had stories not just of lights in

the sky, not just of structured craft, but

1659

1:14:19 ,245 --> 01:14:24,135

actual interactions with alien beings and.

1660

1:14:24 ,980 --> 01:14:28,070

What you don't know until you

actually look is that we have

1661

1:14:28 ,070 --> 01:14:33,650

thousands and thousands of these

encounters that have been recorded

1662

1:14:33 ,740 --> 01:14:36,680

by dutiful, uh, ufologists mm-hmm.

1663

1:14:37 ,220 --> 01:14:40,970

Over the years, who on their own

dime would go and find these people

1664

1:14:40 ,970 --> 01:14:47,300

and interview them and suss them out

and, and give us the details so that

1665

1:14:47 ,300 --> 01:14:51,560

now we have the technology where

we can put all these stories in one

1666

1:14:51 ,560 --> 01:14:55,100

place and create kind of a database.

1667

1:14:55 ,130 --> 01:14:57,230

You know, we, we don't

have an actual data.

1668

1:14:57 ,235 --> 01:15:00,860

We, we have databases for a

sightings, but what we don't have is

1669

1:15:00 ,860 --> 01:15:03,050

an actual database for encounters,

1670

1:15:03 ,110 --> 01:15:05,240

Marc Preston: alien encounters

where you kind of connect all

1671

1:15:05 ,240 --> 01:15:07,610

the dots and go, because there

is, I was watching something.

1672

1:15:07 ,610 --> 01:15:08,990

There is similarities.

1673

1:15:08 ,990 --> 01:15:10,250

I mean, for stuff that's even.

1674

1:15:10 ,585 --> 01:15:11,845

Around the other side of the world.

1675

1:15:11 ,845 --> 01:15:13,705

You know, there, there are

certain things which are common.

1676

1:15:13 ,705 --> 01:15:13,855

We have

1677

1:15:13 ,945 --> 01:15:18,025

Thomas Jane: similarities between the

beings in some ca the other thing people

1678

1:15:18 ,025 --> 01:15:23,095

don't realize is how many different

species people report encountering.

1679

1:15:23 ,245 --> 01:15:27,595

You know, we think it's like the

one big eye gray alien, uh, or,

1680

1:15:27 ,655 --> 01:15:29,335

you know, maybe a praying mantis.

1681

1:15:29 ,455 --> 01:15:30,955

Insects like alien.

1682

1:15:31 ,015 --> 01:15:36,535

There's a handful, but there's actually

hundreds, which is bizarre and nobody has

1683

1:15:36 ,535 --> 01:15:38,335

been able to wrap their mind around that.

1684

1:15:38 ,815 --> 01:15:42,205

But I would love to create a

database of alien encounters.

1685

1:15:42 ,265 --> 01:15:47,245

Um, but what we do have is I've got a

database in my head, and when I, and

1686

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when I discover new, new facts and

I, we can put the start to put the

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pieces together in, in new ways that

we just didn't have access to before.

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Marc Preston: You know,

I saw Michu Kaku, uh.

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The, the theoretical physicist

talking about this three I Atlas

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have, have you been following this?

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Mm-hmm.

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That it's a little bit, yeah.

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It's, it's really kind of intriguing.

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Just, uh, you know, it's just for like how

random this is and how, uh, in terms I'm

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no expert on physics, you know, but Right.

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But how many things about

it are not adding up to our

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understanding of physics, which is

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Thomas Jane: really interesting.

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Yeah.

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So at the very least, we're

gonna learn a hell of a lot.

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We've only just gotten the, uh, capability

to look for objects that come from inters

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that are interstellar, that aren't,

that aren't part of our solar system.

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Just like in the last

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Marc Preston: 10 years I think is when

that thing came online and now we're

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