Ariel Vromen

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Marc Preston:
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Hey, we're Jewish, we're used to hearing

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Marc Preston: that you're going to be a Jewish doctor,

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Marc Preston: you're going to be an attorney, you're

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Marc Preston: going to be a lawyer or something.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, jewish doctor, jewish lawyer.

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Ariel Vromen: I refuse, I refuse passionately to follow

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Ariel Vromen: that advice.

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Announcer: Welcome to Story and Craft.

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Announcer: Now here's your host, Marc Preston.

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Marc Preston: Hey, how are you?

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Marc Preston: Welcome back Story and Craft.

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Marc Preston: Glad to have you here.

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Marc Preston: I'm Marc Preston.

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Marc Preston: Thanks for coming back for another episode.

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Marc Preston: Today we are talking with one of the guys I

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Marc Preston: think is one of the most intriguing guys to

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Marc Preston: me floating about Hollywood Ariel Vroman.

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Marc Preston: He's a director and he's directed movies

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Marc Preston: like Criminal, the Iceman, the Angel, and

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Marc Preston: he's directed projects with some of

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Marc Preston: Hollywood's biggest names, kind of like

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Marc Preston: Kevin Costner, ryan Reynolds, gala Gadot,

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Marc Preston: chris Evans, winona Ryder, gary Oldman a

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Marc Preston: whole bunch of other folks too.

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Marc Preston: Now, in addition to directing, ariel is

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Marc Preston: also a DJ.

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Marc Preston: He DJs concerts all over the world and is

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Marc Preston: just a really interesting guy.

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Marc Preston: Great conversation.

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Marc Preston: We cover his time as a soldier in the

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Marc Preston: Israeli Defense Forces and just talk about

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Marc Preston: movie making, and I think you'll enjoy it.

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Marc Preston: It's a great chat.

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Marc Preston: Okay, let's get after it.

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Marc Preston: It is Ariel Vroman Day here on Story and

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Marc Preston: Craft.

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Marc Preston: First off, I want to wish you a happy

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Marc Preston: birthday.

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Marc Preston: Thank you, man.

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Marc Preston: Now I am your elder.

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Marc Preston: I'm 13 days older than you, so you also an

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Marc Preston: aquarium.

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Marc Preston: Yes, sir, yes, sir, so we were both

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Marc Preston: children of 73.

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Marc Preston: It was a good year, but I thank you, by the

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Marc Preston: way, for taking the time to sit down with

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Marc Preston: me today.

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Marc Preston: I certainly know you're a busy guy.

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Marc Preston: You're filming right now, right, yeah, I

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Marc Preston: mean we finished.

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Ariel Vromen: We finished.

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Ariel Vromen: I have like a few additional days in the

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Ariel Vromen: end of this week, but we almost done.

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Ariel Vromen: So it's just like some posts, some second

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Ariel Vromen: unit stuff and we almost done with the film.

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Ariel Vromen: But I'm in the weekend so I'm still playing

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Ariel Vromen: music.

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Ariel Vromen: So I just came back from Mexico City a few

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Ariel Vromen: hours ago.

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Marc Preston: How would you define what you do?

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Marc Preston: Is it more in the realm of, maybe house

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Marc Preston: sort of?

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Marc Preston: How would you define what you do musically?

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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, it's deep house after house techno,

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Ariel Vromen: minimal techno, so it's a little bit modern

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Ariel Vromen: sounds that kind of like evolve from Ibiza,

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Ariel Vromen: because I used to DJ and make a lot of

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Ariel Vromen: trance music back in the 90s so in Europe,

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Ariel Vromen: and then I quit that and then I went to

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Ariel Vromen: films and it's not only until 2016 that I

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Ariel Vromen: made this movie called Criminal that I

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Ariel Vromen: needed like a song and so they sent me to

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Ariel Vromen: Ibiza and I went to Ibiza and I saw this DJ

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Ariel Vromen: Solomon and he had a remix for a band

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Ariel Vromen: called the Falls, which is a band that I

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Ariel Vromen: love, and it was just incredible remix.

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Ariel Vromen: And then I was reintroduced again to the

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Ariel Vromen: electronic music and to this new vibe.

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Ariel Vromen: But it's a whole different universe.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, it has much more intelligent, much

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Ariel Vromen: more sophistication.

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Ariel Vromen: Making that music also that I have in our

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Ariel Vromen: studio.

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Ariel Vromen: It's given me a lot of freedom, but just

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Ariel Vromen: the idea of playing music again in front of

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Ariel Vromen: crowd and not just be stuck behind the

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Ariel Vromen: camera.

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Marc Preston: My best friend and I I remember it was 94,

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Marc Preston: 94, 93, something like that we went down to

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Marc Preston: Cancun and you know, of course, cancun you

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Marc Preston: had a lot of folks from South America,

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Marc Preston: europe and the vibe then, the music we got

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Marc Preston: exposed to, was way different and it kind

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Marc Preston: of started while rolling.

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Marc Preston: I worked in radio for a lot of years and

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Marc Preston: and I syndicated shows and I found that, as

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Marc Preston: I kept coming back to, that is just music

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Marc Preston: that I felt was interesting.

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Marc Preston: It's like any other kind of music, but the

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Marc Preston: the amount of passion that people have for

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Marc Preston: it when you're on stage and you're doing it

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Marc Preston: it's, it's a much different energy that I

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Marc Preston: think just about any other genre of music

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Marc Preston: at least for the DJ for sure it is it's

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Marc Preston: like a one-man show, and how often do you

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Marc Preston: see just a band with one singer and a

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Marc Preston: guitar on him?

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Marc Preston: I found it's the one genre of music I'm

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Marc Preston: always jazzed to get exposed to what's new.

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Marc Preston: You know what's going on now and it seems

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Marc Preston: like what's going on now.

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Marc Preston: They're taking samples and calling back to

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Marc Preston: what was going on in the 90s.

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Marc Preston: Do you think the 90s are kind of a golden

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Marc Preston: age for?

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Marc Preston: We'll call it trans techno house under the

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Marc Preston: EDM umbrella.

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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, it's right, that's where I started.

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Ariel Vromen: It's exactly in the mid 90s.

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Ariel Vromen: And then we used to go to Goa, to India,

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Ariel Vromen: and that was a kind of like the, the center

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Ariel Vromen: of that gathering from all around the world.

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Ariel Vromen: And now it's like Ibiza, or to Lume in

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Ariel Vromen: Mexico, which is not so far from Coquitlun,

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Ariel Vromen: but they just a little bit up in that

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Ariel Vromen: peninsula.

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Ariel Vromen: But but, yeah, it's, it's, it's an amazing

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Ariel Vromen: world.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, it's you.

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Ariel Vromen: You connect to people in a very strong way.

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Ariel Vromen: I found it very funny because, you know,

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Ariel Vromen: I've been making movies already now for 15

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Ariel Vromen: years and I always find, like I meet people

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Ariel Vromen: and I need to tell them what I did, and

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Ariel Vromen: then some of them seen the film, some of

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Ariel Vromen: them didn't see the film, but then it's

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Ariel Vromen: just constant conversation about what

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Ariel Vromen: you're doing and and and and what are you

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Ariel Vromen: about?

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Ariel Vromen: And since I got into the music and it went

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Ariel Vromen: really really fast and strong, it's like,

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Ariel Vromen: it's amazing that I've just said my name

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Ariel Vromen: and I'm really like, oh, you're the DJ.

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Marc Preston: I'm like well, I'm a filmmaker.

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Marc Preston: The soundtrack it's funny, you mentioned

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Marc Preston: that is very unique.

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Marc Preston: You like it.

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Marc Preston: It's very forward momentum.

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Marc Preston: You don't really have too many breaks in

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Marc Preston: the movie.

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Marc Preston: It keeps you moving forward.

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Ariel Vromen: So that's the song, the song that Kevin

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Ariel Vromen: Costner is driving in the van across London,

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Ariel Vromen: that's the song that got me back to music.

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Marc Preston: Is it after you stole the van?

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Marc Preston: And he's kind of cruising around and he's

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Marc Preston: starting to have a search back.

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Ariel Vromen: That's right so.

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Ariel Vromen: So there was a calling up your name so that

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Ariel Vromen: was like a big remix and and it's funny

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Ariel Vromen: enough because that song made the it became

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Ariel Vromen: one of the famous song of that DJ that now

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Ariel Vromen: is like one of the biggest in the world and

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Ariel Vromen: it was kind of like an introduction again

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Ariel Vromen: for me for a world that I stepped away

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Ariel Vromen: completely because I was running away from

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Ariel Vromen: the electronics scene all over the early

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Ariel Vromen: 2000s.

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Marc Preston: Well, you know, at that age, weren't we

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Marc Preston: just kind of like always, you know, trying

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Marc Preston: to pick up the next thing and just trying

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Marc Preston: to like find, get a grip on what it is

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Marc Preston: we're wanting to do for the long haul, you

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Marc Preston: know?

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Ariel Vromen: and then you, you, you stop yourself

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Ariel Vromen: because people say to him you know,

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Ariel Vromen: especially, I mean, I guess I guess it's

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Ariel Vromen: getting, it's everything's changing so fast.

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Ariel Vromen: You know, in the business and it used to be

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Ariel Vromen: very awkward if you're saying yourself that

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Ariel Vromen: you're a director and you're also a DJ,

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Ariel Vromen: it's like what you got, almost like the

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Ariel Vromen: Hollywood wanted you to make a decision of

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Ariel Vromen: your identity, of who you are and what

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Ariel Vromen: you're about and what, what you want to do.

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Ariel Vromen: And it's like it was even hard to say that

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Ariel Vromen: you're an actor and you want to do direct.

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Ariel Vromen: And then it's kind of like you cross that

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Ariel Vromen: path and then if you are a producer or

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Ariel Vromen: you're a director as well, if you are a

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Ariel Vromen: cinematographer, you're a director.

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Ariel Vromen: So there was, it was like oh, your director

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Ariel Vromen: stays a director, you can write, but stay

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Ariel Vromen: there, don't produce and don't act.

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Ariel Vromen: So I found it in the beginning, when I said

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Ariel Vromen: that I want to go back to music and go back

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Ariel Vromen: to performing, that he got a little bit

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Ariel Vromen: people confused about what is my path

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Ariel Vromen: anymore.

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Ariel Vromen: And now it's actually somehow it's all

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Ariel Vromen: molding again together, because it's funny

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Ariel Vromen: enough, like when you're building yourself

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Ariel Vromen: a name outside the movie business, suddenly

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Ariel Vromen: the people are more curious to see your

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Ariel Vromen: work as movies.

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Marc Preston: Well, it's kind of like back in the day you

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Marc Preston: either were a TV actor or you're a film

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Marc Preston: actor.

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Marc Preston: Now that line says nobody even cares

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Marc Preston: anymore.

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Ariel Vromen: And I think what makes people it's not

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Ariel Vromen: bolder than it is anymore.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, like there are a lot of musicians.

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Marc Preston: In fact, kevin Costner is a musician, if

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Marc Preston: I'm not mistaken.

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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, he has a band.

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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, I know he has a, but he play country

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Ariel Vromen: music, although he loves electronic.

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Ariel Vromen: I took him to a few of my shows, but he's a

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Ariel Vromen: big country guy which serves him well in

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Ariel Vromen: his current endeavors in Yellowstone.

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Marc Preston: It's so funny, I'm, there's so much stuff

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Marc Preston: out there right now that people like have

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Marc Preston: you seen?

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Marc Preston: And it's fell into blank and like no, it's

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Marc Preston: just, there's so many planets, it's all

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Marc Preston: good, all the stuff it's, it's I don't.

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Marc Preston: I don't know if I would ever have time to

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Marc Preston: go back and watch reruns of any.

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Marc Preston: I can watch sometimes old movies or older

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Marc Preston: movies, but as far as TV, I'm always kind

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Marc Preston: of checking out whatever's new.

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Ariel Vromen: to watch El Canto 500 times and so how many

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Ariel Vromen: I just have one daughter.

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Ariel Vromen: She's three and a half.

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Ariel Vromen: Ah, very good, so I am a late bloomer and

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Ariel Vromen: in my fatherhood Well you know, enjoy it.

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Marc Preston: It's just enjoy every moment.

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Marc Preston: And I was right, you know.

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Marc Preston: I want to touch base and kind of like your,

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Marc Preston: Now you're, you're originally from Israel.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, that's right Now.

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Marc Preston: Where's your family originally from?

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Ariel Vromen: My father, my father is Dutch, so they, his

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Ariel Vromen: both parents were born in in Israel.

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Marc Preston: No, it's actually.

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Marc Preston: My best friend is from Holland.

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Marc Preston: It's even better than life with mayonnaise.

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Marc Preston: Oh yeah, I saw my friend doing that.

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Marc Preston: Um, but now so you, uh, you served in the

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Marc Preston: Not everybody does.

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Ariel Vromen: because I played drums and I well, I hope

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Ariel Vromen: camera in the army, like my, my, my brother

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Ariel Vromen: So I I made 13, I got my first Bollocks

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Ariel Vromen: And they, when they, when the soldiers are

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Ariel Vromen: then I end up in one of the most special

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Ariel Vromen: It's the.

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Ariel Vromen: It's called the 669.

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Ariel Vromen: It's the Air Force rescue unit, which we

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Ariel Vromen: And but it was very demanding service I had

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Ariel Vromen: So usually you do three years.

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Ariel Vromen: I did four years in the service and the

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Marc Preston: So you had to live in a barracks or you had

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Marc Preston: to live on the base, right yeah?

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Ariel Vromen: But again, my service was super demanding

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Ariel Vromen: So I think when I finished the army I was

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Ariel Vromen: So they're all going to India or to South

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Ariel Vromen: And I went straight to law school.

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Ariel Vromen: So I, that was like I was very strict

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Ariel Vromen: So I went to law school.

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Marc Preston: What kind of work did your parents do?

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Marc Preston: Were you kind of following the path that?

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Ariel Vromen: was your father an attorney, or yeah, my

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Ariel Vromen: father was, was an engineer and he was also

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Ariel Vromen: My mom was always.

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Ariel Vromen: She had like different things.

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Ariel Vromen: She worked in real estate, she was working

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Ariel Vromen: I mean he loved movies but he could not go

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Ariel Vromen: He was like no, it's too much for him.

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Ariel Vromen: So I think I got a little bit artistic side

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Ariel Vromen: of my mom, definitely for my brother.

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Ariel Vromen: But, funny enough, when I finished the army

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Ariel Vromen: And during law school, I think on the

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Ariel Vromen: second or the third year, all my friends

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Ariel Vromen: you have to come and like, okay, I'll come

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Ariel Vromen: see you.

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Ariel Vromen: And suddenly the age of 24, 25, I'm finding

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Ariel Vromen: So like it, like really rarely, like I ever

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Ariel Vromen: One weekend I did everything that I didn't

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Ariel Vromen: So what he did to me, he did open a certain

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Ariel Vromen: box and that box was basically that I need

469

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Ariel Vromen: to do creative stuff.

470

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Ariel Vromen: I think creative, I think visuals, I think

471

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Ariel Vromen: sound.

472

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Marc Preston: But that wasn't even something on your mind

473

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Marc Preston: until like 24 is gone.

474

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Ariel Vromen: No, I was like I'm going to be a lawyer,

475

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Ariel Vromen: I'm going to go to tech.

476

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Ariel Vromen: I'm you know, I'm sorry, I was a very

477

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Ariel Vromen: serious soldier.

478

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Ariel Vromen: You know, there was nothing that in my soul

479

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Ariel Vromen: that thought I'm going to go back to what I

480

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Ariel Vromen: did in my childhood.

481

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Ariel Vromen: But also I've been constantly being told by

482

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Ariel Vromen: my parents, while they're supporting me,

483

00:17:30,714 --> 00:17:32,978

Ariel Vromen: making movies and buying me equipment and

484

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Ariel Vromen: do all that stuff, but they constantly said

485

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Ariel Vromen: this is just a hobby.

486

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Ariel Vromen: Don't even think that this is going to be a

487

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Ariel Vromen: job in life that you're going to be able to

488

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Ariel Vromen: do that.

489

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Marc Preston: Hey, we're Jewish.

490

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Marc Preston: We're used to hearing that you're going to

491

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Marc Preston: be a Jewish doctor, going to be an attorney,

492

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Marc Preston: you're going to be a lawyer, or something.

493

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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, jewish doctor, jewish lawyer, I

494

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Ariel Vromen: refuse, I refuse passionately to follow

495

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Ariel Vromen: that advice, I guess.

496

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Ariel Vromen: And then I came back to Israel.

497

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Ariel Vromen: I worked a little bit in my dad's practice.

498

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Ariel Vromen: I mean I started to do what they call it

499

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Ariel Vromen: stages, like basically you need to do one

500

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Ariel Vromen: year of practice before you go into the bar

501

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Ariel Vromen: exams.

502

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Ariel Vromen: And a friend of mine called me and said,

503

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Ariel Vromen: hey, I'm going to NYU Tisch Film School.

504

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Ariel Vromen: And I was like, wow, that's so cool.

505

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Ariel Vromen: And he said, do you want to come to New

506

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Ariel Vromen: York and visit me?

507

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Ariel Vromen: And I was also part of me being very strict

508

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Ariel Vromen: and straight.

509

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Ariel Vromen: I got married very early.

510

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Ariel Vromen: I got married when I was 24 years old and

511

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Ariel Vromen: she was actually an American girl.

512

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Ariel Vromen: So I was like, okay, let's go to New York.

513

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Ariel Vromen: And I went to New York and I thought I'm

514

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Ariel Vromen: just going to go for a couple of weeks.

515

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Marc Preston: New York seems to be the landing spot where

516

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Marc Preston: a lot of folks in New York are LA, they're

517

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Marc Preston: going to go to the coast, so there's really

518

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Marc Preston: folks that I know that's kind of where they

519

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Marc Preston: go to at least hang out for a spell a

520

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Marc Preston: little while, you know.

521

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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, I mean it's definitely a good station.

522

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Ariel Vromen: But I arrived to New York and I think the

523

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Ariel Vromen: second day I went to NYU to the film school,

524

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Ariel Vromen: and I realized that there's no chance that

525

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Ariel Vromen: I'm not going to do that.

526

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Ariel Vromen: I was amazed.

527

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Ariel Vromen: I was, so I'm going to go to university.

528

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Marc Preston: Wasn't it kind of like relief going okay,

529

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Marc Preston: this is it right here.

530

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Marc Preston: This is what I'm, you know.

531

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Ariel Vromen: It wasn't relief, but but it also created a

532

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Ariel Vromen: huge drama in my family.

533

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, my father was like so upset he

534

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Ariel Vromen: almost didn't talk to me for three years

535

00:19:29,344 --> 00:19:31,700

Ariel Vromen: and it was like a big, big disappointment.

536

00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:33,567

Ariel Vromen: And how can I not come back?

537

00:19:33,820 --> 00:19:36,270

Ariel Vromen: And how can I leave after they invested all

538

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Ariel Vromen: the studies of law in England?

539

00:19:37,896 --> 00:19:38,760

Ariel Vromen: And da, da, da, da, da da.

540

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Ariel Vromen: And what's wrong with me?

541

00:19:40,724 --> 00:19:41,346

Ariel Vromen: And what is it?

542

00:19:41,386 --> 00:19:42,528

Ariel Vromen: You're smoking a joint.

543

00:19:42,709 --> 00:19:43,029

Ariel Vromen: What's the?

544

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Ariel Vromen: Are you crazy?

545

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Ariel Vromen: So I get my whole creative side persona.

546

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Ariel Vromen: But I took a big, big, big chance on it and

547

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Ariel Vromen: I think that's something that I always tell

548

00:19:56,785 --> 00:19:59,470

Ariel Vromen: young people or people that I meet that

549

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Ariel Vromen: have dreams or they have inspiration and

550

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Ariel Vromen: they don't know what.

551

00:20:03,264 --> 00:20:04,789

Ariel Vromen: And I said, listen, you got to pay a price

552

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Ariel Vromen: and there is a price.

553

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Ariel Vromen: And my mom was right I did pick up a very,

554

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Ariel Vromen: very, very problematic occupation being a

555

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Ariel Vromen: filmmaker.

556

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Ariel Vromen: It's like, hmm, you need to be a little bit

557

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Ariel Vromen: crazy.

558

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Marc Preston: At the rap of every job, you're out of work.

559

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Marc Preston: Technically, yeah, it could be stressful,

560

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Marc Preston: for I could see how that could be stressful

561

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Marc Preston: for parents.

562

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Marc Preston: But what Now?

563

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Marc Preston: Your father was resistant, but you said

564

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Marc Preston: your mother was the creative one.

565

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Marc Preston: What was her input while you were going

566

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Marc Preston: through?

567

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Ariel Vromen: this kind of thing.

568

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Ariel Vromen: She didn't play music, she just was.

569

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Ariel Vromen: Her creativity was her knowledge in art.

570

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Ariel Vromen: She's still today saying to me oh, bree's

571

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Ariel Vromen: exhibition is coming to LA, you should go

572

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Ariel Vromen: see.

573

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Ariel Vromen: You should go see this exhibition.

574

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Ariel Vromen: And she kept on saying to me that, oh,

575

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Ariel Vromen: you're a director, maybe it's going to

576

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Ariel Vromen: inspire you.

577

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Ariel Vromen: So she pushed me, even as a teenager, like

578

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Ariel Vromen: to go to the museums and to see art and to

579

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Ariel Vromen: expand my mind outside.

580

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Ariel Vromen: Whatever media that we were consuming back

581

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Ariel Vromen: in the 80s or early 90s, which was not much,

582

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, it would be like a VHS or a movie

583

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Ariel Vromen: theater.

584

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Ariel Vromen: Part of the thing is, right now, that I'm

585

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Ariel Vromen: also a victim, we all victim of it.

586

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Ariel Vromen: It's like the amount of audio visual that

587

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Ariel Vromen: we exposed to, and when you basically

588

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Ariel Vromen: exposed to your phone and you're watching

589

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Ariel Vromen: over three or four hours a day, what

590

00:21:24,803 --> 00:21:26,569

Ariel Vromen: happened is our memory stopped working.

591

00:21:27,685 --> 00:21:29,594

Ariel Vromen: Basically, people don't remember anymore

592

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Ariel Vromen: the content they've been viewing.

593

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Ariel Vromen: This is the kind of a time we're living

594

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Ariel Vromen: right now Kids or not kids or grown-ups, or

595

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Ariel Vromen: teenagers or mature people, they're

596

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Ariel Vromen: watching material and they don't remember

597

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Ariel Vromen: what they watched.

598

00:21:42,168 --> 00:21:43,622

Ariel Vromen: The day after they're like oh yeah, we saw

599

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Ariel Vromen: a movie.

600

00:21:44,926 --> 00:21:46,150

Ariel Vromen: I can't remember the name.

601

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Ariel Vromen: What was the name of the actor and what was

602

00:21:49,168 --> 00:21:52,107

Ariel Vromen: about it's because it's becoming just like

603

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Ariel Vromen: another killing time.

604

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Ariel Vromen: Maybe some people still.

605

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Marc Preston: You know you're getting emotional, but not

606

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Marc Preston: as much as emotion as we used to get from

607

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Marc Preston: watching material, I think patience

608

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Marc Preston: probably has something to do with it,

609

00:22:02,726 --> 00:22:04,590

Marc Preston: because somebody knows a couple seconds

610

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Marc Preston: into a movie or a show if they don't really

611

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Marc Preston: like it.

612

00:22:07,081 --> 00:22:08,987

Marc Preston: It's the same thing like with dating or

613

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Marc Preston: whatever else.

614

00:22:10,081 --> 00:22:10,342

Marc Preston: It's okay.

615

00:22:10,402 --> 00:22:11,585

Marc Preston: On to the next thing.

616

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Marc Preston: They're not really taking the time to kind

617

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Marc Preston: of get into it.

618

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Marc Preston: You have all those dating apps.

619

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Ariel Vromen: You have Instagram and TikTok and you can

620

00:22:17,208 --> 00:22:19,653

Ariel Vromen: see it's like a magazine of humans.

621

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Ariel Vromen: And it's weird because you are a content

622

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Ariel Vromen: provider.

623

00:22:25,183 --> 00:22:26,733

Ariel Vromen: Now everybody is saying, oh, we need

624

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Ariel Vromen: content, we need content, we need more

625

00:22:27,639 --> 00:22:29,760

Ariel Vromen: movies, we need more TV, we need more this.

626

00:22:30,705 --> 00:22:32,634

Ariel Vromen: So, in other words, people look at me and

627

00:22:32,654 --> 00:22:33,680

Ariel Vromen: say, oh, your business is thriving right

628

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Ariel Vromen: now.

629

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Ariel Vromen: You must be very happy, and I am, and it's

630

00:22:37,736 --> 00:22:38,439

Ariel Vromen: good times, we work.

631

00:22:39,562 --> 00:22:41,386

Ariel Vromen: You know there's a lot of things on the

632

00:22:41,426 --> 00:22:44,613

Ariel Vromen: pipe and I'm busy and I'm not complaining,

633

00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,321

Ariel Vromen: but the outcome and the result of what

634

00:22:47,341 --> 00:22:49,222

Ariel Vromen: you're doing right now has a completely

635

00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:49,763

Ariel Vromen: different meaning.

636

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Marc Preston: So how does that affect your selection

637

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Marc Preston: process on the projects of?

638

00:23:01,363 --> 00:23:02,886

Marc Preston: I mean, because you're obviously a

639

00:23:02,926 --> 00:23:06,132

Marc Preston: storyteller, you know, be it musically,

640

00:23:07,053 --> 00:23:10,018

Marc Preston: through film what exactly is your decision

641

00:23:10,038 --> 00:23:10,619

Marc Preston: making process?

642

00:23:11,005 --> 00:23:12,290

Marc Preston: Because there are a whole lot of

643

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Marc Preston: opportunities out there.

644

00:23:13,405 --> 00:23:14,533

Marc Preston: What are you kind of sitting down when you

645

00:23:14,573 --> 00:23:16,486

Marc Preston: look at things on your desk and go, yeah, I

646

00:23:16,526 --> 00:23:17,694

Marc Preston: kind of want to work on this project.

647

00:23:17,775 --> 00:23:19,325

Marc Preston: What's your decision making on that?

648

00:23:19,807 --> 00:23:22,367

Ariel Vromen: That's a good question, I think.

649

00:23:22,989 --> 00:23:25,217

Ariel Vromen: For me it's always the selective, like I

650

00:23:25,258 --> 00:23:27,706

Ariel Vromen: need to read, regardless the subject matter

651

00:23:27,966 --> 00:23:32,394

Ariel Vromen: or the world that the movie is in.

652

00:23:33,877 --> 00:23:34,839

Ariel Vromen: I need to read it first.

653

00:23:35,325 --> 00:23:38,653

Ariel Vromen: And sometimes I am very excited, like

654

00:23:38,713 --> 00:23:40,617

Ariel Vromen: somebody pitched me an idea or a story or a

655

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Ariel Vromen: concept and I'm like, wow, this is great.

656

00:23:44,405 --> 00:23:45,689

Ariel Vromen: And then I'm sitting down and I'm reading

657

00:23:45,769 --> 00:23:50,845

Ariel Vromen: it and by page 20, I either want to throw

658

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Ariel Vromen: the script on the wall or just like never

659

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Ariel Vromen: come back to it.

660

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Ariel Vromen: So it's really it's about connectivity to

661

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Ariel Vromen: the material when I read it, and so first

662

00:24:00,487 --> 00:24:01,732

Ariel Vromen: of all, I need to read it and to really

663

00:24:01,772 --> 00:24:02,093

Ariel Vromen: like it.

664

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Ariel Vromen: And then I started to do a process of

665

00:24:04,131 --> 00:24:06,359

Ariel Vromen: saying, okay, I'm home right now.

666

00:24:07,121 --> 00:24:09,289

Ariel Vromen: Would I leave my house right now and go to

667

00:24:09,309 --> 00:24:11,337

Ariel Vromen: the movie theater to watch that, which is a

668

00:24:11,398 --> 00:24:13,305

Ariel Vromen: question that I'm very asking anymore.

669

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Marc Preston: Yeah, I was about to say the idea of

670

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Marc Preston: leaving the house.

671

00:24:16,673 --> 00:24:17,475

Marc Preston: Is that even a bit?

672

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Ariel Vromen: down.

673

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Ariel Vromen: It's becoming like a history it's a history

674

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Ariel Vromen: channel, right?

675

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Marc Preston: I heard Spielberg talk about something a

676

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Marc Preston: couple of years ago.

677

00:24:25,805 --> 00:24:27,996

Marc Preston: He said something to the effect of we're

678

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Marc Preston: not going to have movies and theaters the

679

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Marc Preston: way you or I grew up watching movies and

680

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Marc Preston: theaters.

681

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Ariel Vromen: You'll have the big blockbusters ones that

682

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Ariel Vromen: will hang out, only franchise.

683

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Marc Preston: Yeah, that's.

684

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Marc Preston: You know what.

685

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Marc Preston: Do you think?

686

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Marc Preston: Is that a good thing, or do you think there

687

00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:44,696

Marc Preston: should be more of a push to get people into

688

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Marc Preston: a theater?

689

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Ariel Vromen: I don't have any.

690

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Ariel Vromen: I, to be honest with you, I think I'm in

691

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Ariel Vromen: this point in my life.

692

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Ariel Vromen: I because I accepted Netflix actually very

693

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Ariel Vromen: early in the game.

694

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Ariel Vromen: I did a movie for them in 2017.

695

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Marc Preston: Was it an angel or, yeah, the angel?

696

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Ariel Vromen: And in 2016,.

697

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Ariel Vromen: You know, Netflix was sitting down in

698

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Ariel Vromen: Beverly Hills that had like small office, I

699

00:25:11,385 --> 00:25:13,411

Ariel Vromen: remember, like one little floor, and

700

00:25:13,451 --> 00:25:14,835

Ariel Vromen: everybody was like very weird with me.

701

00:25:15,526 --> 00:25:17,171

Ariel Vromen: Why are we going to go do a movie for a

702

00:25:17,252 --> 00:25:18,034

Ariel Vromen: place called Netflix?

703

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, why?

704

00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:20,171

Ariel Vromen: Why?

705

00:25:22,145 --> 00:25:24,251

Ariel Vromen: And probably funny, funny, funny to say is

706

00:25:24,291 --> 00:25:25,595

Ariel Vromen: that the reason that I did a movie for

707

00:25:25,615 --> 00:25:29,250

Ariel Vromen: Netflix is because at that time I at 2000

708

00:25:29,771 --> 00:25:34,938

Ariel Vromen: and I think it was 2011, I met Ted Serendez,

709

00:25:35,499 --> 00:25:40,407

Ariel Vromen: the co CEO of Netflix today, and I had a

710

00:25:40,427 --> 00:25:42,174

Ariel Vromen: documentary that I was trying to put

711

00:25:42,214 --> 00:25:45,085

Ariel Vromen: together about water crisis in the

712

00:25:45,165 --> 00:25:48,617

Ariel Vromen: Southwest and it's called Running Dry and

713

00:25:48,758 --> 00:25:50,303

Ariel Vromen: and we made it and it was a small

714

00:25:50,323 --> 00:25:52,429

Ariel Vromen: documentary but very, very, very important

715

00:25:52,570 --> 00:25:55,076

Ariel Vromen: or it was very interesting material.

716

00:25:55,545 --> 00:25:57,529

Ariel Vromen: And I asked, and I went to lunch with Ted

717

00:25:57,690 --> 00:26:00,956

Ariel Vromen: and I said I'm Ted, listen, can you put it

718

00:26:00,976 --> 00:26:01,998

Ariel Vromen: just on your platform?

719

00:26:02,407 --> 00:26:04,626

Ariel Vromen: I mean, you have DVDs, right, you can go

720

00:26:04,666 --> 00:26:07,894

Ariel Vromen: online and check your queue and you set

721

00:26:07,914 --> 00:26:08,716

Ariel Vromen: DVDs to people.

722

00:26:09,705 --> 00:26:11,092

Ariel Vromen: And I remember I would never I'm still

723

00:26:11,112 --> 00:26:12,639

Ariel Vromen: reminding him every time I see him and I

724

00:26:12,659 --> 00:26:14,929

Ariel Vromen: said he said to me I said, Ariel, I really

725

00:26:14,969 --> 00:26:16,292

Ariel Vromen: want to help you, but you need to

726

00:26:16,312 --> 00:26:19,166

Ariel Vromen: understand I'm a tech guy, I'm not a

727

00:26:19,186 --> 00:26:19,749

Ariel Vromen: content person.

728

00:26:20,525 --> 00:26:23,732

Ariel Vromen: I have no idea about movies, about what

729

00:26:23,752 --> 00:26:26,765

Ariel Vromen: people like, what people will view, and in

730

00:26:26,785 --> 00:26:31,452

Ariel Vromen: 2011, the idea of producing for Netflix was

731

00:26:31,612 --> 00:26:33,555

Ariel Vromen: not even on the chart.

732

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Marc Preston: It's not that long ago and look at what a

733

00:26:35,938 --> 00:26:36,318

Marc Preston: quantum.

734

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Marc Preston: No, that's not.

735

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Marc Preston: No, that's insane.

736

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Ariel Vromen: Ted Surrandes today is probably.

737

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Ariel Vromen: Robert Evans is a child producer.

738

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Ariel Vromen: Compared to Ted Surrandes.

739

00:26:45,005 --> 00:26:46,810

Ariel Vromen: In terms of the amount of material that

740

00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:49,035

Ariel Vromen: this studio has made, Ted Surrandes right

741

00:26:49,055 --> 00:26:55,493

Ariel Vromen: now is the most, I guess, accredited

742

00:26:55,573 --> 00:26:59,359

Ariel Vromen: producer studio in the history of cinema

743

00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:00,040

Ariel Vromen: and television.

744

00:27:00,385 --> 00:27:02,337

Marc Preston: I think there's a lot of content that would

745

00:27:02,417 --> 00:27:03,785

Marc Preston: never have gotten made, that would have sat

746

00:27:04,888 --> 00:27:06,973

Marc Preston: on in the screenplay stack in some office

747

00:27:06,993 --> 00:27:07,936

Marc Preston: somewhere and never would have gotten

748

00:27:07,956 --> 00:27:09,911

Marc Preston: greenlit had it not been for Netflix.

749

00:27:10,246 --> 00:27:11,008

Marc Preston: You talk about EDM.

750

00:27:11,249 --> 00:27:12,713

Marc Preston: The movie was at XOXO.

751

00:27:13,545 --> 00:27:14,950

Marc Preston: Would that movie have gotten made without

752

00:27:15,011 --> 00:27:15,452

Marc Preston: Netflix?

753

00:27:15,825 --> 00:27:19,467

Ariel Vromen: It's such a niche kind of a thing, but I

754

00:27:19,547 --> 00:27:24,134

Ariel Vromen: know that for a fact that, there and again,

755

00:27:24,174 --> 00:27:28,020

Ariel Vromen: netflix of 2022 is even completely

756

00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,709

Ariel Vromen: different from the Netflix that I

757

00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:34,062

Ariel Vromen: re-engaged in 2016, 2017, where they just

758

00:27:34,122 --> 00:27:37,566

Ariel Vromen: had the success of House of Cards and

759

00:27:37,826 --> 00:27:40,653

Ariel Vromen: suddenly they realized that they want to

760

00:27:40,713 --> 00:27:41,515

Ariel Vromen: make more material.

761

00:27:42,965 --> 00:27:45,452

Ariel Vromen: In fact, scott Stuber was now running all

762

00:27:45,472 --> 00:27:46,414

Ariel Vromen: the films over there.

763

00:27:47,245 --> 00:27:49,150

Ariel Vromen: When he came from Universal, his first

764

00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:51,155

Ariel Vromen: meeting on his first day of work, he met

765

00:27:51,175 --> 00:27:53,889

Ariel Vromen: with me for lunch and we were sitting down

766

00:27:54,189 --> 00:27:56,454

Ariel Vromen: and he asked me so how is it, how is

767

00:27:56,494 --> 00:27:57,958

Ariel Vromen: Netflix, what's going on with her?

768

00:27:58,385 --> 00:27:59,949

Ariel Vromen: I actually had a lot of positive things to

769

00:28:00,009 --> 00:28:02,676

Ariel Vromen: say because it was really about filmmakers

770

00:28:03,365 --> 00:28:05,409

Ariel Vromen: and it was really about a studio that just

771

00:28:06,792 --> 00:28:10,098

Ariel Vromen: getting into a space that's becoming new

772

00:28:10,138 --> 00:28:10,459

Ariel Vromen: space.

773

00:28:10,605 --> 00:28:11,428

Ariel Vromen: And I remember, like you know, the

774

00:28:11,448 --> 00:28:14,579

Ariel Vromen: conversation even earlier, like in 2015 or

775

00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:17,830

Ariel Vromen: 2014, about how Blockbuster didn't read

776

00:28:17,850 --> 00:28:18,151

Ariel Vromen: them up.

777

00:28:19,225 --> 00:28:22,191

Ariel Vromen: They had all the vendors, they had all the

778

00:28:22,251 --> 00:28:22,613

Ariel Vromen: deals.

779

00:28:22,786 --> 00:28:24,534

Marc Preston: Oh, did you ever see that documentary that

780

00:28:24,594 --> 00:28:26,925

Marc Preston: Kevin Smith did about Blockbuster and the

781

00:28:27,005 --> 00:28:28,690

Marc Preston: last Blockbuster that's left?

782

00:28:29,552 --> 00:28:30,856

Announcer: I did not Kevin Smith did it.

783

00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:32,591

Marc Preston: It was really interesting because it went

784

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Marc Preston: down.

785

00:28:33,405 --> 00:28:35,450

Marc Preston: Of course, this was something that Netflix

786

00:28:35,770 --> 00:28:39,205

Marc Preston: it's a Netflix production, I believe but it

787

00:28:39,246 --> 00:28:41,071

Marc Preston: was talking about there's one Blockbuster

788

00:28:41,131 --> 00:28:44,248

Marc Preston: left in the whole world and, going back in

789

00:28:44,288 --> 00:28:45,893

Marc Preston: time to how they did it, the mom and pops

790

00:28:45,953 --> 00:28:48,149

Marc Preston: would have, if you want to go see, like

791

00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:49,135

Marc Preston: when we were kids, you want to go see

792

00:28:49,175 --> 00:28:51,267

Marc Preston: Terminator, they may have like two of them,

793

00:28:51,548 --> 00:28:52,932

Marc Preston: two VHSs sitting around.

794

00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:55,013

Marc Preston: And then Netflix came in and their whole

795

00:28:55,234 --> 00:28:56,863

Marc Preston: I'm sorry Blockbuster came in.

796

00:28:56,883 --> 00:28:58,709

Marc Preston: They changed up the game because they

797

00:28:58,729 --> 00:29:00,614

Marc Preston: worked out kind of like a revenue share

798

00:29:00,634 --> 00:29:02,327

Marc Preston: agreement with the studios and the studios

799

00:29:02,347 --> 00:29:03,893

Marc Preston: like oh, that makes some sense.

800

00:29:05,427 --> 00:29:06,689

Ariel Vromen: It was the best thing that ever.

801

00:29:06,770 --> 00:29:08,172

Ariel Vromen: Like DVDs back in.

802

00:29:08,312 --> 00:29:13,147

Ariel Vromen: You know early 2000 was the most profitable

803

00:29:13,308 --> 00:29:16,037

Ariel Vromen: revenue for backends for filmmakers, actors

804

00:29:16,238 --> 00:29:19,849

Ariel Vromen: and producers because that was a whole new.

805

00:29:19,889 --> 00:29:21,173

Ariel Vromen: Ticket selling is one thing.

806

00:29:21,213 --> 00:29:22,717

Ariel Vromen: Because you got to split with the theaters,

807

00:29:22,845 --> 00:29:25,153

Ariel Vromen: you got to you know the studios has a share.

808

00:29:25,245 --> 00:29:27,310

Ariel Vromen: It's until you see any money from tickets

809

00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:27,931

Ariel Vromen: from theater.

810

00:29:28,693 --> 00:29:31,508

Ariel Vromen: As a filmmaker, you know you got to dig in

811

00:29:31,528 --> 00:29:33,477

Ariel Vromen: the books and probably eventually get, you

812

00:29:33,497 --> 00:29:35,526

Ariel Vromen: know, get into bad blood with every studio

813

00:29:35,546 --> 00:29:37,612

Ariel Vromen: because you got to audit them and it's

814

00:29:37,672 --> 00:29:38,494

Ariel Vromen: never end up well.

815

00:29:39,467 --> 00:29:40,545

Ariel Vromen: The DVDs were very simple.

816

00:29:40,725 --> 00:29:42,991

Ariel Vromen: It was like this is the amount of CDs that

817

00:29:43,031 --> 00:29:46,007

Ariel Vromen: we're making and this is the amount of

818

00:29:46,087 --> 00:29:48,113

Ariel Vromen: rentals that comes through the computer

819

00:29:48,153 --> 00:29:50,008

Ariel Vromen: every time we check out a DVD from

820

00:29:50,089 --> 00:29:50,591

Ariel Vromen: Blockbuster.

821

00:29:50,645 --> 00:29:56,514

Ariel Vromen: So I think to see how the world changed so

822

00:29:56,614 --> 00:30:00,239

Ariel Vromen: fast in the last decade in our business and

823

00:30:01,345 --> 00:30:04,335

Ariel Vromen: storytelling, and it's mind blowing.

824

00:30:06,553 --> 00:30:07,898

Ariel Vromen: I really sometimes I got to pinch myself

825

00:30:07,938 --> 00:30:09,424

Ariel Vromen: and it's like I can't believe that I've

826

00:30:09,485 --> 00:30:12,708

Ariel Vromen: been through all this ride and suddenly now

827

00:30:12,828 --> 00:30:15,056

Ariel Vromen: we have like a whole new reality of

828

00:30:15,136 --> 00:30:15,919

Ariel Vromen: decision making.

829

00:30:16,842 --> 00:30:19,410

Ariel Vromen: Netflix that used to be about filmmakers or

830

00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:19,590

Ariel Vromen: this.

831

00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:21,495

Ariel Vromen: They still have a couple of creators that

832

00:30:21,595 --> 00:30:23,187

Ariel Vromen: are following, but right now you know

833

00:30:23,328 --> 00:30:26,115

Ariel Vromen: they're making decisions on Marceting and

834

00:30:26,255 --> 00:30:26,857

Ariel Vromen: algorithms.

835

00:30:27,085 --> 00:30:29,091

Marc Preston: I would love to be just to fly on the wall

836

00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:30,576

Marc Preston: when they go over, like the actual numbers,

837

00:30:30,805 --> 00:30:32,173

Marc Preston: real downloads, what you know, the real

838

00:30:32,234 --> 00:30:34,045

Marc Preston: metrics of, you know, the all, the all the

839

00:30:34,146 --> 00:30:35,474

Marc Preston: stuff behind the curtain we don't get a

840

00:30:35,514 --> 00:30:36,158

Marc Preston: chance to see.

841

00:30:36,218 --> 00:30:37,365

Marc Preston: You know, that'd be so fascinating.

842

00:30:38,147 --> 00:30:39,550

Ariel Vromen: I think, I think, I think, I think, when

843

00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:42,778

Ariel Vromen: you get into a size of a company, that size

844

00:30:42,918 --> 00:30:46,391

Ariel Vromen: in valuation it's similar to you know,

845

00:30:46,451 --> 00:30:50,017

Ariel Vromen: probably some big pharma company or

846

00:30:50,057 --> 00:30:50,357

Ariel Vromen: whatever.

847

00:30:52,005 --> 00:30:54,314

Ariel Vromen: This is where the individual doesn't need

848

00:30:54,334 --> 00:30:57,285

Ariel Vromen: to know what's going on, because maybe it's

849

00:30:57,345 --> 00:30:59,751

Ariel Vromen: because, because, lucky if you, if we're

850

00:30:59,771 --> 00:31:01,495

Ariel Vromen: going to get the real numbers on everything,

851

00:31:01,535 --> 00:31:02,217

Ariel Vromen: it would be great.

852

00:31:02,986 --> 00:31:04,871

Ariel Vromen: But but you know, I think we are in the

853

00:31:04,931 --> 00:31:07,036

Ariel Vromen: dark because nobody want to tell you that.

854

00:31:07,605 --> 00:31:09,831

Ariel Vromen: You know, Red Notice was the most watchable

855

00:31:09,911 --> 00:31:11,735

Ariel Vromen: film of Netflix of all times.

856

00:31:12,745 --> 00:31:15,052

Ariel Vromen: As much as I love Gal Gadot and I love Ryan

857

00:31:15,072 --> 00:31:16,645

Ariel Vromen: Reynolds and I worked with both of them In

858

00:31:16,665 --> 00:31:18,690

Ariel Vromen: fact, I introduced the book there too in

859

00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:24,052

Ariel Vromen: criminal I thought it was a disastrous film.

860

00:31:24,605 --> 00:31:26,571

Ariel Vromen: It was $200 million that I could not

861

00:31:26,611 --> 00:31:27,955

Ariel Vromen: understand where the money goes.

862

00:31:28,525 --> 00:31:30,390

Ariel Vromen: And then, on the other hand, you getting

863

00:31:30,550 --> 00:31:31,172

Ariel Vromen: those reports.

864

00:31:31,292 --> 00:31:32,656

Ariel Vromen: This is the biggest success.

865

00:31:33,365 --> 00:31:34,809

Ariel Vromen: And you're like, if this movie will

866

00:31:34,889 --> 00:31:36,615

Ariel Vromen: actually will compete on a theatrical,

867

00:31:36,655 --> 00:31:38,567

Ariel Vromen: which is what we call, you know, a ground

868

00:31:40,090 --> 00:31:44,837

Ariel Vromen: zero, of, of, of, of, of, a reflection of

869

00:31:44,877 --> 00:31:46,019

Ariel Vromen: your, of, of your success.

870

00:31:47,065 --> 00:31:49,510

Ariel Vromen: You can argue with ticket sales, you know,

871

00:31:50,632 --> 00:31:53,638

Ariel Vromen: and suddenly nobody cares about.

872

00:31:53,838 --> 00:31:55,528

Ariel Vromen: Okay, so obviously, Spider-Man is the

873

00:31:55,568 --> 00:31:57,794

Ariel Vromen: biggest phenomenon right now, with $1.8

874

00:31:57,814 --> 00:31:59,247

Ariel Vromen: billion in the box office, which is still,

875

00:31:59,307 --> 00:31:59,929

Ariel Vromen: it's mind blowing.

876

00:32:00,685 --> 00:32:02,350

Ariel Vromen: But then again they telling you that this

877

00:32:02,410 --> 00:32:04,676

Ariel Vromen: is the most watchable movie on Netflix, and

878

00:32:04,725 --> 00:32:04,986

Ariel Vromen: it was.

879

00:32:05,467 --> 00:32:07,652

Ariel Vromen: And they have to justify $200 million

880

00:32:07,693 --> 00:32:08,956

Ariel Vromen: investment for their stockholders.

881

00:32:09,645 --> 00:32:13,115

Ariel Vromen: So it's whatever me want to be, fly on the

882

00:32:13,135 --> 00:32:13,576

Ariel Vromen: wall or not.

883

00:32:13,905 --> 00:32:15,530

Ariel Vromen: It's like you would never know how many

884

00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:17,415

Ariel Vromen: that people watch only 30 seconds of it.

885

00:32:18,086 --> 00:32:19,596

Marc Preston: I tell my students, I tell the people I

886

00:32:19,616 --> 00:32:20,784

Marc Preston: work with, I'm like listen, you know, if

887

00:32:20,804 --> 00:32:21,990

Marc Preston: you want to do something, go create

888

00:32:22,050 --> 00:32:22,331

Marc Preston: something.

889

00:32:22,445 --> 00:32:23,963

Marc Preston: There is so many platforms.

890

00:32:24,125 --> 00:32:25,489

Marc Preston: There are so many platforms to get it out

891

00:32:25,529 --> 00:32:27,835

Marc Preston: there, maybe even just YouTube or Vimeo or

892

00:32:27,895 --> 00:32:28,135

Marc Preston: whatever.

893

00:32:28,986 --> 00:32:30,249

Marc Preston: But I think there was a point in time where

894

00:32:30,269 --> 00:32:31,573

Marc Preston: there are a lot of people who just had a

895

00:32:31,633 --> 00:32:34,070

Marc Preston: great idea, they had a great script, they

896

00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:36,379

Marc Preston: had a team or whatever in place in Netflix

897

00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,830

Marc Preston: is handing out money and it's like go make

898

00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:38,910

Marc Preston: it.

899

00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:42,059

Marc Preston: I mean, that's kind of I think I wonder if

900

00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:43,285

Marc Preston: it's going to be looked back on as being

901

00:32:43,365 --> 00:32:47,075

Marc Preston: some kind of a golden era of content

902

00:32:47,115 --> 00:32:47,577

Marc Preston: creation.

903

00:32:49,030 --> 00:32:49,290

Ariel Vromen: It is.

904

00:32:49,551 --> 00:32:52,394

Ariel Vromen: It is a golden era and eventually look, we

905

00:32:52,434 --> 00:32:53,962

Ariel Vromen: knew it from the beginning and it's going

906

00:32:53,982 --> 00:32:56,309

Ariel Vromen: to happen, probably by 2025 or maybe a

907

00:32:56,349 --> 00:32:56,971

Ariel Vromen: little bit later.

908

00:32:57,793 --> 00:33:00,820

Ariel Vromen: That didn't survive.

909

00:33:01,783 --> 00:33:03,006

Ariel Vromen: If it's going to be, you know, there will

910

00:33:03,026 --> 00:33:03,568

Ariel Vromen: be top five.

911

00:33:04,926 --> 00:33:06,770

Ariel Vromen: Eventually, we're going to shrink down to

912

00:33:06,970 --> 00:33:11,279

Ariel Vromen: five studios, streamers, that are basically

913

00:33:11,299 --> 00:33:13,271

Ariel Vromen: going to provide us all of our content in

914

00:33:13,311 --> 00:33:15,228

Ariel Vromen: our lives, and they're going to merge or

915

00:33:15,248 --> 00:33:16,533

Ariel Vromen: they're going to put together studios.

916

00:33:16,645 --> 00:33:18,716

Ariel Vromen: I don't know what will happen, but you know,

917

00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:20,605

Ariel Vromen: funny enough if you're looking, if you're

918

00:33:20,625 --> 00:33:22,052

Ariel Vromen: looking at even the terrain that we're

919

00:33:22,072 --> 00:33:22,915

Ariel Vromen: living right now.

920

00:33:23,438 --> 00:33:25,486

Ariel Vromen: One of the biggest question Marcs that I

921

00:33:25,587 --> 00:33:27,613

Ariel Vromen: ask every day is what happened to Sony?

922

00:33:28,725 --> 00:33:32,034

Ariel Vromen: How come a studio that had already a

923

00:33:32,134 --> 00:33:35,303

Ariel Vromen: digital box, the Sony PlayStation, in

924

00:33:35,403 --> 00:33:39,454

Ariel Vromen: almost every other home in the world, were

925

00:33:39,495 --> 00:33:42,222

Ariel Vromen: not the first one to realize that they have

926

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Ariel Vromen: the box already in people's home and

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Ariel Vromen: convert that box into the streamer?

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Ariel Vromen: It's like it's mind blowing that one of the

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Ariel Vromen: only studios that is kind of like funded by

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Ariel Vromen: a tech company, a complete tech company,

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Ariel Vromen: not just, like you know, in a

932

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Ariel Vromen: telecommunication company, but a real tech

933

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Ariel Vromen: company could not make that, you know,

934

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Ariel Vromen: could not read the game ahead of it.

935

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Ariel Vromen: And now they're providing content for

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Ariel Vromen: Netflix.

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Ariel Vromen: Okay, of course they had a huge success

938

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Ariel Vromen: with Spider-Man right now, but one movie,

939

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Ariel Vromen: that holding the whole studio, one film and

940

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Ariel Vromen: you're like, wow, that's mind blowing.

941

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Ariel Vromen: Look at Warner Brothers.

942

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Ariel Vromen: They went all in on HBO Max.

943

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Ariel Vromen: You know, apple bought MGM and they

944

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Ariel Vromen: hopefully that will help them a little bit.

945

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Ariel Vromen: I don't know if they're going to survive

946

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Ariel Vromen: with the way they're making stuff over

947

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Ariel Vromen: there.

948

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Ariel Vromen: But all the rest, like Amazon, this is like.

949

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Ariel Vromen: But Sony, sony, sony was like yeah, it's

950

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Ariel Vromen: funny.

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Marc Preston: My son, my 17 year old son.

952

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Marc Preston: He's got a PlayStation 5 and he even, I

953

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Marc Preston: believe you can.

954

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Marc Preston: They do have some apps, but they didn't

955

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Marc Preston: really push it as being a streaming over

956

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Marc Preston: the top device the way Roku or whatever

957

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Marc Preston: else, and that would have been a great dual

958

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Marc Preston: purpose thing like hey game for you kids

959

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Marc Preston: and you get to watch movies on it.

960

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Marc Preston: You already bought the machine.

961

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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, it's in your home.

962

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Ariel Vromen: You need to go to the chip to go to make it

963

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Ariel Vromen: online streaming.

964

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Ariel Vromen: It's like it's literally it's the easiest

965

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Ariel Vromen: thing and it's mind blowing that that big

966

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Ariel Vromen: studio didn't read the map and didn't, you

967

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Ariel Vromen: know, try to catch.

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Ariel Vromen: Because I think today, like looking at

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Ariel Vromen: Disney, looking at you know, the merger of

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Ariel Vromen: Disney and Fox and whatever, like all, if

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Ariel Vromen: you don't have a streaming outlet as a

972

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Ariel Vromen: studio right now, you're not going to

973

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Ariel Vromen: survive.

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Ariel Vromen: Money worries, unless you're going to

975

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Ariel Vromen: really down, down, downscale, your your

976

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Ariel Vromen: stuff and you literally going to provide,

977

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Ariel Vromen: you're going to be a studio to provide

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Ariel Vromen: films to other net, other streamers.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, it seems like the folks that are

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Marc Preston: making the content also like you'd be an.

981

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Marc Preston: You mentioned Amazon or HBO Max, and they

982

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Marc Preston: already had a deep library to begin with,

983

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Marc Preston: or they go buy one, you know.

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Marc Preston: Now that kind of brings me to a question

985

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Marc Preston: like when you, when you're directing a

986

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Marc Preston: movie I've always been curious about this

987

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Marc Preston: with directors that also write do you

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Marc Preston: prefer, or is there even a preference to,

989

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Marc Preston: to work on a project that you've created,

990

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Marc Preston: that you've written the screenplay, or

991

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Marc Preston: there's any real big difference?

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Marc Preston: When the day comes, as director, you just

993

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Marc Preston: want to direct and however you get to, you

994

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Marc Preston: know sit in the chair.

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Ariel Vromen: It's never happened.

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Ariel Vromen: It never happened, unfortunately, I think I

997

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Ariel Vromen: never.

998

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Ariel Vromen: But it's also because you know there is

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Ariel Vromen: ranks of directors, there's the A-list and

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Ariel Vromen: then there's like the second release and

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Ariel Vromen: then there's, like you know, there's a pile

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Ariel Vromen: of filmmakers in our lifetime that getting

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Ariel Vromen: scripts and getting different levels of of

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Ariel Vromen: very high end writers.

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Ariel Vromen: I'm not the one who gets Aaron Sorkin

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Ariel Vromen: scripts.

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Ariel Vromen: You know it will be, at least probably you

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Ariel Vromen: know 50 or 60 or 100 directors that will,

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Ariel Vromen: will watch it, will read that script before

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Ariel Vromen: it's going to get to me.

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Ariel Vromen: So when I got material, it's usually decent

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Ariel Vromen: material or material that we're in

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Ariel Vromen: turnaround or material that I'm getting,

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Ariel Vromen: that somebody just I'm talking about like

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Ariel Vromen: external materials that I'm getting.

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Ariel Vromen: So the majority of the script that I get or

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Ariel Vromen: I got in the past are just good enough to

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Ariel Vromen: attract me to start working on the project.

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Marc Preston: From pre-production production post.

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Marc Preston: That's about a year of your life you're

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Marc Preston: committing to it.

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Ariel Vromen: It's a big commitment.

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Ariel Vromen: But what I found, that even in the Angel or

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Ariel Vromen: even in now in the movie I just did, 92, or

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Ariel Vromen: in Criminal Criminal, was actually a little

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Ariel Vromen: bit different, because it was my cousin and

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Ariel Vromen: his partner who wrote that movie and they

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Ariel Vromen: wrote the Rock and Double Jeopardy and they

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Ariel Vromen: were working on all the all the Born series.

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Ariel Vromen: So they were, they had, like you know, so

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Ariel Vromen: they were very involved with me in prep.

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Ariel Vromen: But but usually I get a script and I'm

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Ariel Vromen: working a little bit with the writer and

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Ariel Vromen: see if we can get into the right place

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Ariel Vromen: together and sometimes it does works well,

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Ariel Vromen: but still there's always a moment that the

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Ariel Vromen: writer is basically I'm I'm kind of like

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Ariel Vromen: taking over the material.

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Ariel Vromen: So when it's coming to the practicality of

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Ariel Vromen: preparing a shoot and preparing in

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Ariel Vromen: preproduction and actually when the actors

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Ariel Vromen: come in, I found it in many cases in the

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Ariel Vromen: past, like when the writer had to convince

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Ariel Vromen: the original writer to do their changes or

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Ariel Vromen: the things that we would discuss it's,

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Ariel Vromen: there was always a lot of drama.

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Ariel Vromen: I also realized that I thought that there

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Ariel Vromen: is a oh, I rewrote the whole script.

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Ariel Vromen: I should get a credit, I should do this, I

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1050

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Ariel Vromen: should fight for something and also read

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Ariel Vromen: that's something that if actually the angel

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Ariel Vromen: kind of like taught me that it's, it's,

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Ariel Vromen: it's, it's a battle that I never go again

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Ariel Vromen: to you know you say, like Aaron Sorkin, you

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Ariel Vromen: know his, his screenplays are very specific.

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Marc Preston: The the word, you know, it's just, there's

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Marc Preston: a rhythm to how it's supposed to be said.

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Marc Preston: How are you about, actually?

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Marc Preston: How do you look at improvisation, or do you

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Marc Preston: like to really stick to the script?

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Ariel Vromen: It's also.

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Ariel Vromen: It's really depends on the actors, if they

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Ariel Vromen: have the ability.

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Ariel Vromen: Not every actor has the ability to

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Ariel Vromen: improvise and to be interesting.

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Ariel Vromen: You know, some actors are not as

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Ariel Vromen: interesting as people and they don't have

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Ariel Vromen: that much of an experience as a human being,

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Ariel Vromen: and so for them.

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Ariel Vromen: But they deliver words and lines of other

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Ariel Vromen: writers amazingly.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, they can mold into characters.

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Ariel Vromen: I think that for me it depends on the

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Ariel Vromen: material, depends on the actors.

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Ariel Vromen: But I, when I get to set and we read scene

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Ariel Vromen: and we and we block it and we kind of like,

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Ariel Vromen: okay, so let's, let's just and I promise of

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Ariel Vromen: always sitting down and kind of like say,

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Ariel Vromen: okay, I'm watching the movie right now, and

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Ariel Vromen: how, how does it sound?

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Ariel Vromen: And and even that I worked on that scene

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Ariel Vromen: and some of the lines I just wrote last

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Ariel Vromen: night before, or like whatever, I'm trying

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Ariel Vromen: to listen to my intuition and say, oh no,

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Ariel Vromen: this one doesn't work, we have an issue

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Ariel Vromen: with it.

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Ariel Vromen: Oh, this part of the scene feels stall, or

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Ariel Vromen: I'm not getting any emotions out of these

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Ariel Vromen: characters right now, when the way it's

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Ariel Vromen: written right now.

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Ariel Vromen: So what I do after, we, after we do like a

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Ariel Vromen: little bit of reading and blocking, and if

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Ariel Vromen: I still have my stomach starting to turn,

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Ariel Vromen: which I I'm not feel confident.

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Ariel Vromen: Basically where we are.

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Ariel Vromen: Then I'm opening a discussion, so I'm

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Ariel Vromen: getting the actors with me and I said, okay.

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Ariel Vromen: So in the beginning I felt really strong,

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Ariel Vromen: but then the turn point, when you said that

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Ariel Vromen: to him, that felt super distance and that

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Ariel Vromen: was not the purpose of the scene.

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Ariel Vromen: So I'm going back to them, you know, on the

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Ariel Vromen: day, and I said what are we trying to

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Ariel Vromen: achieve in the scene?

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Ariel Vromen: This scene is specifically in the

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Ariel Vromen: storytelling.

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Ariel Vromen: It's got to move us from that.

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Ariel Vromen: This character is going to make a decision

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Ariel Vromen: to do it, but why he makes a decision?

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Ariel Vromen: And then we started to look around for

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Ariel Vromen: props and I'm starting to look around for

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Ariel Vromen: many, for some.

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Ariel Vromen: Maybe there is.

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Ariel Vromen: There's a way to say things different now,

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Ariel Vromen: because English is not my first language.

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Ariel Vromen: I always encourage my actors to say how

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Ariel Vromen: would you say it?

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Ariel Vromen: If you need to basically get out of a

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Ariel Vromen: situation that you just got caught and you

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Ariel Vromen: have five minutes to escape from this

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Ariel Vromen: situation and you need to ask for a favor

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Ariel Vromen: from me, friend, what would be the way that

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Ariel Vromen: you're going to approach it?

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Ariel Vromen: And we know that this group suggested

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Ariel Vromen: certain lines and, but maybe there is a

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Ariel Vromen: better way, and sometimes I do that and we

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Ariel Vromen: found really great magic.

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Marc Preston: But also I've been in experience like that

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Marc Preston: and there's got to be some kind of

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Marc Preston: chemistry that they can bounce off each

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Marc Preston: other pretty well.

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Ariel Vromen: 100 but so, so, so you need to be very,

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Ariel Vromen: very intuitive to that and sensitive to

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Ariel Vromen: that says that moment.

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Ariel Vromen: Because if you, if you, if you're trying to

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Ariel Vromen: create an improvisation or you're trying to

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Ariel Vromen: create what we call a realism within the

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Ariel Vromen: narrative and it doesn't really hold, then

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Ariel Vromen: in editing you, getting you watching a

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Ariel Vromen: scene that you thought that somehow you

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Ariel Vromen: like what?

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Ariel Vromen: What is this?

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Ariel Vromen: I mean it's, it's even worse than I thought.

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Ariel Vromen: So I learned from my previous mistakes to

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Ariel Vromen: be very careful of when I let the leash go

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Ariel Vromen: and when I stop believing in the material.

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Ariel Vromen: Kevin Costner is actually the one who

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Ariel Vromen: really taught me that lesson.

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Ariel Vromen: He he is such a strong, strong, strong

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Ariel Vromen: believer on on scripts.

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Ariel Vromen: He would go and see a cut of a filmmaker

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Ariel Vromen: neither mine or others and then he will ask

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Ariel Vromen: to go and watch the assembly cut and he

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Ariel Vromen: will sit down with the original script that

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Ariel Vromen: he got, that he wrote the notes and he will

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Ariel Vromen: literally say we gotta figure it out how to

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Ariel Vromen: make the words that is written work.

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Ariel Vromen: So that's his method.

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Ariel Vromen: He's very, he's very much so the the script

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Ariel Vromen: for him is a holy bible.

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Ariel Vromen: And then you have actors like Michael

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Ariel Vromen: Shannon, or or really, or or really.

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Ariel Vromen: Otter is like a good example, ready otter.

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Ariel Vromen: He kind of like, doesn't even.

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Ariel Vromen: He, doesn't.

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Ariel Vromen: He read the script but he never reads out

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Ariel Vromen: loud, he never, he, never.

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Ariel Vromen: Before he gets to the set, he never even

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Ariel Vromen: try to say the words that the that the

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Ariel Vromen: character is saying.

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Ariel Vromen: So for him it's much easier to to just try

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Ariel Vromen: and figure it out.

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Ariel Vromen: Oh, this word sounds stupid.

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Ariel Vromen: I'm gonna go say it this way, so, so

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Ariel Vromen: there's actors that you know, that you need

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Ariel Vromen: to know each one, what, what its strength.

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Ariel Vromen: But if you find, if you, if you refine your

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Ariel Vromen: intuition on the set to understand and who

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Ariel Vromen: you're working with, how can you make

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Ariel Vromen: certain scenes better by staying away from

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Ariel Vromen: the script or some certain scene, to stick

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Ariel Vromen: to the script.

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Ariel Vromen: I think it's only experience.

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Marc Preston: Well, it's funny, you mentioned raleigh

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Marc Preston: otter because in the ice man one of the

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Marc Preston: greatest things about him in that film were

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Marc Preston: all the scenes where he had very little

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Marc Preston: dialogue.

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Marc Preston: I mean, he's got those blue eyes, he just,

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Marc Preston: he just like, just staring, like when he's

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Marc Preston: sitting in the back of the car he comes

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Marc Preston: over to michael shannon's house yeah,

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Marc Preston: towards the end of the movie and he's and

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Marc Preston: his daughter is trying to walk and he's

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Marc Preston: just sitting there staring at him.

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Marc Preston: You just don't know.

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Marc Preston: What's that?

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Marc Preston: That not knowing?

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Ariel Vromen: what's this is great in real life.

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Ariel Vromen: Try, try, try and be on the set with him.

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Ariel Vromen: He sits on his chair with the page of the

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Ariel Vromen: script and then it's something like I need

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Ariel Vromen: to come in.

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Ariel Vromen: And we became really good friends after the

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Ariel Vromen: ice man and I just did another film with

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Ariel Vromen: him and it's almost like he looked his eyes

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Ariel Vromen: and he looked at you straight in the eyes,

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Ariel Vromen: and, and, and, and, and you like.

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Ariel Vromen: Okay, I'm in trouble.

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Ariel Vromen: Okay, maybe I'm in trouble but you don't

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Ariel Vromen: know.

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Marc Preston: You have no idea because he's.

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Marc Preston: There is a movie of zimbabwe in 93, 94, I

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Marc Preston: think it's called like the islander.

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Marc Preston: Basically they sent prisoners to this

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Marc Preston: island that are basically on death row.

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Marc Preston: I forgot the name of it, but I interviewed

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Marc Preston: him and I sat down I was at a kind of an

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Marc Preston: outside like a courtyard, kind of a

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Marc Preston: cocktail plate, whatever it was and and I'm

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Marc Preston: sitting there talking with him and he says

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Marc Preston: this kind of cool like you know, he just

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Marc Preston: when you're sitting there just like looking

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Marc Preston: at you don't know if it's like is he just

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Marc Preston: really paying attention to me or is he sick

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Marc Preston: of listening what I have to say?

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Marc Preston: He was just sweet heart of a guy, though,

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Marc Preston: but he just got that riveting.

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Ariel Vromen: Look, you know he's very nice to to crew

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Ariel Vromen: and to a filmmaker if he likes you.

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Ariel Vromen: He the first day on ice man he was

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Ariel Vromen: humiliate, the shit out of me, I mean.

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Ariel Vromen: He tried to break me down and I didn't

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Ariel Vromen: bulge and I think the fact that I was

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Ariel Vromen: insisting on something and I was pretty

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Ariel Vromen: strong about it got his, got his confidence

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Ariel Vromen: and what he's, what's his trust to as a

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Ariel Vromen: filmmaker, is amazing.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, this experience we just had a manny

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Ariel Vromen: two to two together.

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Marc Preston: He was literally he subordinate himself to,

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Marc Preston: to my decisions, which was very, very nice

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Marc Preston: you know, when you look at Kevin Costner,

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Marc Preston: gary Oldman, tommy Lee Jones, ryan, ryan

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Marc Preston: Reynolds I mean he's going down the list.

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Marc Preston: You're, you're, you're working with these

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Marc Preston: guys who just their name alone will get a

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Marc Preston: film green lit.

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Marc Preston: But how do you earn trust?

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Marc Preston: Because this you know when I've listened to

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Marc Preston: actors talk about they're working with

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Marc Preston: directors they're not terribly familiar

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Marc Preston: with or they've never worked with before.

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Marc Preston: Trust is a real big thing for them before

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Marc Preston: they kind of submit to the process.

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Marc Preston: How do you earn that trust?

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Ariel Vromen: I think, I think it's a combination of you

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Ariel Vromen: know, it's, it's I guess part of it is my

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Ariel Vromen: personality, that is, I'm super passionate

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Ariel Vromen: when I like something.

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Ariel Vromen: You know, I you just see me now.

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Ariel Vromen: I just arrived from Mexico City.

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Ariel Vromen: I literally barely slept for two days

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Ariel Vromen: because we are like a big, big event that I

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Ariel Vromen: played and then they basically celebrate my

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Ariel Vromen: birthday now for so I'm, my energy right

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Ariel Vromen: now is the lowest possible, but I'm still

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Ariel Vromen: excited to talk to you.

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Ariel Vromen: So I guess I guess that's what I do when I

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Ariel Vromen: meet an actor.

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Ariel Vromen: I go to my passion source, to why am I

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Ariel Vromen: doing something?

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Ariel Vromen: And I'm really trying to, to, to, to get

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Ariel Vromen: them to join what I'm thinking and what I'm

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Ariel Vromen: seeing, and, and, and it's also, it's you

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Ariel Vromen: also got to touch some personal, you know

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Ariel Vromen: level.

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Ariel Vromen: You understand, like you know, I understand

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Ariel Vromen: that they're gonna test me.

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Ariel Vromen: I know the game already, so I kind of like

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Ariel Vromen: let them throw the arrows and then I'm

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Ariel Vromen: showing them how I respond to that do you

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Ariel Vromen: think it's because that they do?

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Marc Preston: you think they do that because they and

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Marc Preston: this purely hypothesis because they've got

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Marc Preston: their brand?

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Marc Preston: When you bring Kevin Costner in a movie,

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Marc Preston: you're not hiring an actor.

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Marc Preston: You're bringing everything he's done, the

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Marc Preston: brand of who Kevin Costner is, and you know

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Marc Preston: they're trying to protect their brand.

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Marc Preston: Do you think that's kind of the reason why

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Marc Preston: they're testing you, to make sure?

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Ariel Vromen: of it and again, and you need to remember

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Ariel Vromen: Kevin Costner and and or another great

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Ariel Vromen: friend of mine, that I didn't work with Mel

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Ariel Vromen: Gibson, you know they were.

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Ariel Vromen: They were the highest paid actor back in

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Ariel Vromen: the days.

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Ariel Vromen: They, these guys, used to make 25, 30

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Ariel Vromen: million dollar per movie and I did meet

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Ariel Vromen: them and passed their peak time.

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Ariel Vromen: So it's not so much about branding but it's

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Ariel Vromen: a mouth, about the experience.

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Ariel Vromen: You know, obviously there's always a

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Ariel Vromen: combination of how much the studio is

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Ariel Vromen: paying them to make the movie, whether they

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Ariel Vromen: say, okay, I cannot say no to 10 million

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Ariel Vromen: dollars or eight million dollars, I'm going

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Ariel Vromen: to do it and let me just work out with this

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Ariel Vromen: young director or whatever it is.

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Ariel Vromen: And sometimes it's really you you need to

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Ariel Vromen: come in and and with your passion, hard,

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Ariel Vromen: like listen, I, I made Tommy Lee, you know,

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Ariel Vromen: get Tommy Lee Jones to work.

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Ariel Vromen: That was, I knew that he comes in for the

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Ariel Vromen: money.

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Ariel Vromen: He didn't care about the role, he didn't

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Ariel Vromen: care about anything, but I killed him with

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Ariel Vromen: my kindness and then we stay friends.

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Ariel Vromen: So now he comes to relay and I helped his

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Ariel Vromen: daughter to make it a job and da, da, da we

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Ariel Vromen: be.

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Ariel Vromen: So you develop a relationship and then

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Ariel Vromen: obviously it's, it's easier in the future.

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Ariel Vromen: Although I did a mistake in my career, I

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Ariel Vromen: think that if you're really watching

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Ariel Vromen: successful directors and filmmakers that

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Ariel Vromen: had the chance to work with big actors,

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Ariel Vromen: because really not a lot of people had the

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Ariel Vromen: chance to work with the A-list actors and

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Ariel Vromen: smart directors not as much as I am writing

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Ariel Vromen: those stars it's called if you, if you, if

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Ariel Vromen: you actually capture and movie star to work

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Ariel Vromen: with you, you need to to ride him, which

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Ariel Vromen: mean he worked with Michael Shannon.

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Ariel Vromen: Yes, you gave him the his first big movie

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Ariel Vromen: opportunity.

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Ariel Vromen: You guys had a great success together.

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Ariel Vromen: You need to do everything to keep on

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Ariel Vromen: working with him.

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Ariel Vromen: You work with Kevin Costner, no matter what.

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Ariel Vromen: Yes, you need to work with him you work

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Ariel Vromen: with Ryan Ryan.

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Marc Preston: Are you saying that's the conventional

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Marc Preston: thinking?

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Marc Preston: Is what you're saying?

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Ariel Vromen: that's.

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Ariel Vromen: That's really.

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Ariel Vromen: If you're looking at career of big

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Ariel Vromen: directors, from Marty's Cossessa to you

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Ariel Vromen: know the final actor, the actor works for

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Ariel Vromen: them and they just writing this actor.

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Ariel Vromen: They will do as many movies they can do

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Ariel Vromen: that these actors will somehow fit and then

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Ariel Vromen: they're gonna expand and move somewhere

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Ariel Vromen: else.

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Ariel Vromen: But I did kind of like I'm gonna stay

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Ariel Vromen: because I worked with all those great

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Ariel Vromen: actors and then I never worked with them

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Ariel Vromen: again.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, ray is the first actor that I

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Ariel Vromen: worked again with.

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Ariel Vromen: I didn't work again with James Franco.

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Ariel Vromen: I didn't work again with Michael Shannon,

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Ariel Vromen: didn't work with with Rinauner Rider.

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Ariel Vromen: I didn't work with Marisa Tomei, I didn't

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Ariel Vromen: work with Kevin.

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Ariel Vromen: Yet what are we looking for?

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Ariel Vromen: I didn't work with Gary Oldman.

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Ariel Vromen: I didn't work with Ryan Ryan I mean all

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Ariel Vromen: those names even with Gal I, because for me

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Ariel Vromen: it's like I don't like to make movies as

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Ariel Vromen: much often like I cannot make a movie every

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Ariel Vromen: year, so for me it's usually the average of

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Ariel Vromen: like every two, three years I'm making a

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Ariel Vromen: film and when I make a film I see a story

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Ariel Vromen: and that story has faces, and those faces

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Ariel Vromen: has nothing to do with the faces that I

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Ariel Vromen: wear I worked with, at least in my mind,

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Ariel Vromen: that's.

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Marc Preston: That's the point about casting that I had

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Marc Preston: for you.

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Marc Preston: It seems like everyone, not everyone, but

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Marc Preston: like Kevin Costa, even time he'll eat Jones

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Marc Preston: to a degree, james Franco or Chris Evans

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Marc Preston: even, or a David Schwimmer.

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Marc Preston: Is it a conscious choice in these films

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Marc Preston: that they're brand and kind of what we know

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Marc Preston: them to be and most other films or shows

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Marc Preston: are in.

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Marc Preston: They weren't really those guys.

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Marc Preston: I mean, captain America, you had to pack up

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Marc Preston: people's bodies and you know, freezer you

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Marc Preston: know, is that a conscious?

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Ariel Vromen: choice.

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Ariel Vromen: Chris will tell you.

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Ariel Vromen: If you're gonna ask Chris about the ice man,

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Ariel Vromen: he still is one of his best roles, I mean

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Ariel Vromen: as a performer.

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Marc Preston: I honestly had not seen the ice man, for

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Marc Preston: whatever reason.

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Marc Preston: This kind of size I checked it out a little

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Marc Preston: while back is like.

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Marc Preston: Every character is like I didn't know

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Marc Preston: that's David Schwimmer at first took me a

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Marc Preston: moment to register.

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Marc Preston: Oh, that's David Schwimmer, yeah yeah but

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Marc Preston: no like about that Chris Evans character.

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Marc Preston: It's like, okay, do I need to like this guy

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Marc Preston: because he's kind of quirky but he's doing

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Marc Preston: some horrible, horrible things, and I think

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Marc Preston: that that's another thing.

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Marc Preston: As kind of a through line is is both then

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Marc Preston: with Michael Shannon, with Kevin Costner's

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Marc Preston: characters.

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Marc Preston: These are people who are morally

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Marc Preston: reprehensible to some degree, but you still

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Marc Preston: there's still the hero kind of.

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Marc Preston: You're still kind of rooting for them in a

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Marc Preston: way, and that's a trick.

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Ariel Vromen: I have the hero story I love.

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Ariel Vromen: I for me, it's like you know, every time.

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Ariel Vromen: Um, although I gotta say in the new film I

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Ariel Vromen: did it's the first film that the villain

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Ariel Vromen: which played by Raleigh Ota brilliantly,

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Ariel Vromen: actually is a very defined villain.

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Ariel Vromen: But in in cinema and in TV it's very hard

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Ariel Vromen: to see good villains.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean you really.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean a real bad guy.

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Ariel Vromen: It's like you really need to dig deep.

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Ariel Vromen: So I always believe that the real bad guy

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Ariel Vromen: is within the guy itself.

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Ariel Vromen: So it's like, if I'm telling a story about

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Ariel Vromen: you, so what is the conflict?

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Ariel Vromen: What is the devil?

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Ariel Vromen: Where?

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Ariel Vromen: Where is Satan sits?

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Ariel Vromen: He sits within you.

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Marc Preston: So I always was attracted to stories like

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Marc Preston: that, where with, with the, with the

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Marc Preston: villain is is is the person itself but any

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Marc Preston: father identifies with Michael Shannon

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Marc Preston: because you look at that guy and go, god,

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Marc Preston: that's he's he.

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Marc Preston: You believe him when he says I'm doing

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Marc Preston: everything for my family.

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Marc Preston: You believe him when you're casting.

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Marc Preston: How do you, fundamentally, how do you make

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Marc Preston: your casting choice?

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Marc Preston: And I've auditioned.

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Marc Preston: I've been very fortunate.

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Marc Preston: I've auditioned for some phenomenal

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Marc Preston: directors on callbacks.

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Marc Preston: I wasn't cast and they won Academy Awards.

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Marc Preston: So I think the key is get me on a callback,

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Marc Preston: don't cast me.

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Marc Preston: That's when you can win an award.

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Marc Preston: Apparently, you have a great voice.

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Ariel Vromen: I'm enjoying just listening to you.

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Ariel Vromen: Oh, that's very kind of you, by the way.

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Ariel Vromen: That's for me, that's a starting point.

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Ariel Vromen: Voice, voice, voice for me is one of the

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Ariel Vromen: most important believe it or not things in

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Ariel Vromen: casting.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, if I have a great looking, a great

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Ariel Vromen: looking female or man, and they look great,

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Ariel Vromen: and everybody say, oh, he's going to be a

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Ariel Vromen: movie star, and then they're coming in and

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Ariel Vromen: they open and the open line is like hi oh,

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Ariel Vromen: no, no, no, no.

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Ariel Vromen: I cannot just in front of them.

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Ariel Vromen: How can I watch them?

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Ariel Vromen: And editing for a year, so voice is a big

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Ariel Vromen: deal.

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Ariel Vromen: But I think what people need to understand

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Ariel Vromen: and focus at home that watching this and

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Ariel Vromen: the casting process of the movie is you

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Ariel Vromen: have two stages of it.

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Ariel Vromen: You have first of all what I call the live

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Ariel Vromen: or die casting, which means you need to

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Ariel Vromen: find your foundation pillars that will

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Ariel Vromen: justify this movie to be exist, and that

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Ariel Vromen: process is long usually.

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Marc Preston: Is that related to financing?

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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, when you say, oh, here's a script,

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Ariel Vromen: great, what do you want to do to it, ariel?

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Ariel Vromen: Oh, I want to do this.

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Ariel Vromen: I want to change.

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Ariel Vromen: I want to make the opening different.

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Ariel Vromen: I want to make the ending.

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Ariel Vromen: For me, the movie is about that.

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Ariel Vromen: I'm seeing visually this, so I'm sending

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Ariel Vromen: myself, or the vision.

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Ariel Vromen: But once that happened, no movie is going

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Ariel Vromen: to go into production.

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Ariel Vromen: If the star of the film, or if it's a

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Ariel Vromen: female or a male, would justify the budget,

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Ariel Vromen: because you need a certain amount of money

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Ariel Vromen: to make this film, you ask him for certain

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Ariel Vromen: amount of days to make this movie, so you

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Ariel Vromen: need to be justified.

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Ariel Vromen: So then the studio said okay, so who do you

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Ariel Vromen: want?

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Ariel Vromen: And I'm going to go to Iceman, because

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Ariel Vromen: that's a great story of casting.

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Ariel Vromen: And I said well, I saw a play in New York

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Ariel Vromen: with Michael Shannon and I saw another.

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Ariel Vromen: He did this movie with Leo, that some,

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Ariel Vromen: what's his name?

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Ariel Vromen: He was nominated for Academy Award for that.

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Ariel Vromen: It's Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet and

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Ariel Vromen: Michael Shannon in a some maybe not some, I

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Ariel Vromen: can't remember what was the name of the

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Ariel Vromen: director of American Beauty.

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Ariel Vromen: He directed 1917 as well.

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Ariel Vromen: Anyway, we Google this.

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Ariel Vromen: Folks don't Google.

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Ariel Vromen: But anyway, the point is like I saw Michael

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Ariel Vromen: Shannon as like, this is the guy, this is

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Ariel Vromen: my guy.

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Ariel Vromen: And I came to the studio and I remember at

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Ariel Vromen: that point that at Plymes Gate and

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Ariel Vromen: Millennium and every learner looking at me

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Ariel Vromen: as like Michael who, and I was like, hey,

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Ariel Vromen: it was Academy Award nominated for this

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Ariel Vromen: film and he's amazing theater actors and

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Ariel Vromen: he's, look at him, he looked like Jaws in

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Ariel Vromen: James Bond.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, for me it's like you know the, he

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Ariel Vromen: looks like the guy.

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Ariel Vromen: And he said no.

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Ariel Vromen: I said why don't you get Sylvester Stallone

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Ariel Vromen: to play?

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Ariel Vromen: Oh, I'll watch what's in here or whatever,

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Ariel Vromen: whatever the name they throw me to play the

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Ariel Vromen: lead, I don't like no.

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Ariel Vromen: So I had to go and shoot and pay for it on

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Ariel Vromen: my own money and the producer Elblibur, we

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Ariel Vromen: paid and we made a test scene with Michael

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Ariel Vromen: Shannon and that test scene got the

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Ariel Vromen: confidence of the studio that this guy can

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Ariel Vromen: do, because sometimes and by then they told

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Ariel Vromen: me, but around him you need to have movie

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Ariel Vromen: stars.

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Ariel Vromen: So I had to go and you know, and ask James

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Ariel Vromen: to come and James was supposed to play

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Ariel Vromen: Chris Evans role but then James dad passed

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Ariel Vromen: away so he could not make it.

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Ariel Vromen: So then I asked him favor from Chris, which

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Ariel Vromen: I knew.

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Ariel Vromen: So Chris came on the board and then it was

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Ariel Vromen: Benicio del Toroio that was before really

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Ariel Vromen: auto attached.

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Ariel Vromen: Then I had to get, so I had to put you.

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Ariel Vromen: Sometimes it's like you know you have to

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Ariel Vromen: pile up.

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Ariel Vromen: If you're fighting for a main guy, that is

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Ariel Vromen: not a name per se, it's old formulation

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Ariel Vromen: financing you had to always surround it

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Ariel Vromen: with a lot of names.

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Marc Preston: It's kind of like if you're cooking, you

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Marc Preston: want to have your main ingredients got to

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Marc Preston: be what you wanted to be, but the

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Marc Preston: supporting ingredients, this seasonings you

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Marc Preston: want to make sure that they're on point as

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Marc Preston: well 100% and but it's a brutal process.

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Ariel Vromen: It's because sometimes you are looking for

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Ariel Vromen: your perfect actors and who are the best

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Ariel Vromen: actors that I can come in, and especially

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Ariel Vromen: that you know what you, what we're starting

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Ariel Vromen: to find out right now in making movies or

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Ariel Vromen: television is that nobody is available.

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Ariel Vromen: Nobody is available.

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Ariel Vromen: It's like I mean you, you way, you need to

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Ariel Vromen: wait today anywhere between six to 18

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Ariel Vromen: months to majority of cast Because

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Ariel Vromen: everybody's booked.

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Ariel Vromen: There's so much because movie, movie stars

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Ariel Vromen: used to only make movies.

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Ariel Vromen: So no problem, we're gonna.

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Ariel Vromen: You know they're making movie and then

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Ariel Vromen: what's the next picture?

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Ariel Vromen: Now they're making movies and then between

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Ariel Vromen: the movies they're making six months of TV

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Ariel Vromen: and then after that's a making, and then

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Ariel Vromen: they cannot and they have an obligation to

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Ariel Vromen: Marvel because they already did the

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Ariel Vromen: Avengers and gone for a year, and then they

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Ariel Vromen: coming back like no, they have a show with

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Ariel Vromen: Apple and no show with Apple, so that's

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Ariel Vromen: another five months.

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Ariel Vromen: So availability right now is brutal.

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Marc Preston: And, by the way, on that note, I don't even

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Marc Preston: know how some of these movies get made,

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Marc Preston: because you've got to get least like these

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Marc Preston: Avengers movies.

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Marc Preston: You have to get five, six people, all with

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Marc Preston: a schedule aligning to.

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Marc Preston: You know, get them in there.

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Ariel Vromen: Crazy amount of money and and those money's

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Ariel Vromen: are paid and everybody that is in that food

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Ariel Vromen: chain is doing everything in his power to

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Ariel Vromen: convince, to influence and to maintain the

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Ariel Vromen: fact that the star is going to be there on

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Ariel Vromen: time and available with his family in

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Ariel Vromen: London, whatever they're shooting the show.

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Ariel Vromen: So availability has become, but because of

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Ariel Vromen: the world we're living also now and

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Ariel Vromen: streamers starting to realize that is that

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Ariel Vromen: names is not necessarily you know, because

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Ariel Vromen: because they don't need to get you out of

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Ariel Vromen: the house to watch a movie, you know, and

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Ariel Vromen: how many movie stars today you will go and

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Ariel Vromen: watch, whatever they do, maybe for me,

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Ariel Vromen: maybe couple Leo the Caprio.

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Marc Preston: Well, I say the angels, great example.

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Marc Preston: The most people not terribly familiar with

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Marc Preston: the names of some of the people in the film,

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Marc Preston: but man, it's just.

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Marc Preston: In fact I started watching it some time ago,

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Marc Preston: not even realizing directed it yet.

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Marc Preston: I just kind of was it was come on.

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Marc Preston: I was just sitting down as I'm going to

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Marc Preston: bite to eat and I was like man, I'm in,

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Marc Preston: yeah, I'm in this.

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Marc Preston: And one of the things I love about that and

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Marc Preston: that, the look of that and also the look of

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Marc Preston: criminal.

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Marc Preston: Do you use the same DP or cinematographer?

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Marc Preston: Do you have a preference?

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Marc Preston: Do you come in there with a look in mind?

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Ariel Vromen: that I think I think I found the guy that I

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Ariel Vromen: you know, want to get all with on this

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Ariel Vromen: movie.

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Ariel Vromen: Frankie DeMarco is a DP that tried to work

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Ariel Vromen: with me for 10 years.

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Ariel Vromen: He's been always trying to and somehow I

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Ariel Vromen: always chose somebody else.

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Ariel Vromen: So, but no, I mean, I mean, if you're going

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Ariel Vromen: to interview the DPs I work with, or

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Ariel Vromen: Frankie, you know, you would, then will

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Ariel Vromen: tell you I'm very, very much involved in

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Ariel Vromen: where the camera is, what lenses, how the

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Ariel Vromen: lighting feels, what's the temperature of

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Ariel Vromen: that room feels like.

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Ariel Vromen: I'm very much involved and I think that if

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Ariel Vromen: you're putting all the movies together,

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Ariel Vromen: they all kind of like have a similarity on

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Ariel Vromen: the field.

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Ariel Vromen: Some of them is a little bit more action,

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Ariel Vromen: but still, you know, there is like the long

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Ariel Vromen: lenses and or whatever, whatever.

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Ariel Vromen: I choose to tell a story in a separate

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Ariel Vromen: scene, but I was unfortunate to not

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Ariel Vromen: necessarily have that DP that through all

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Ariel Vromen: these years.

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Ariel Vromen: Because, again, I can tell you that it's a

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Ariel Vromen: huge relief when you have already your crew

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Ariel Vromen: ready and the band is just coming back

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Ariel Vromen: together to just do another tour.

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Ariel Vromen: It makes a huge difference on the quality

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Ariel Vromen: and the process of making a film.

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Ariel Vromen: Obviously there's well I love that.

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Marc Preston: I mean just the this, the amount of

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Marc Preston: handheld stuff that was going on in

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Marc Preston: criminal.

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Marc Preston: I just I just love the feel that this the

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Marc Preston: it reminded me it did have a tone like the

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Marc Preston: Bourne movies that did have that same kind

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Marc Preston: of you felt like that, the action or the

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Marc Preston: moment of never really let up, you know.

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Announcer: I just, I just really.

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Marc Preston: I really enjoyed it just from that

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Marc Preston: aesthetic point of view there.

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Marc Preston: But, um, what were your movies as a kid?

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Marc Preston: Were they the action movies?

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Marc Preston: Were they just a constellation of different

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Marc Preston: stuff?

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Ariel Vromen: Many, many, many creators.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, I was obsessed about Hitchcock.

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Ariel Vromen: This was like kind of like the main the

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Ariel Vromen: American, british influence that I had as a

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Ariel Vromen: kid, like the first movie I watched in.

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Ariel Vromen: I think the first movie I watched in my

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Ariel Vromen: life was Rare Window and I was obsessed

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Ariel Vromen: about him.

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Ariel Vromen: But then again you know my brother who was

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Ariel Vromen: a real big film buff and he won every

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Ariel Vromen: competition about film knowledge and then

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Ariel Vromen: of course became a lawyer and then venture

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Ariel Vromen: capital and went to do I-Tech.

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Marc Preston: Y'all did the other thing.

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Marc Preston: You weren't wanting to necessarily do film.

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Marc Preston: You ended up in film.

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Marc Preston: He was wanting to do creative.

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Marc Preston: He was a genius.

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Ariel Vromen: He was literally.

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Ariel Vromen: My brother was the genius.

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Ariel Vromen: You know, I was like the, maybe the

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Ariel Vromen: technical guy and a person and a people

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Ariel Vromen: person and he was more closed and but the

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Ariel Vromen: genius, you know, he watched every

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Ariel Vromen: Tarkovsky and Fellini, and then three, four

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Ariel Vromen: and so, but by him going and watching

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Ariel Vromen: whatever it was, from Woody Allen to every,

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Ariel Vromen: every, every, every really amazing

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Ariel Vromen: filmmaker in the history of filmmaking was

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Ariel Vromen: somehow I was exposed to it in a very young

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Ariel Vromen: age, so I was sitting there and watching,

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Ariel Vromen: you know, claude La Luche movies and like,

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Ariel Vromen: like crazy French.

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Marc Preston: How much older than you is he?

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Marc Preston: Five years.

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Ariel Vromen: Five years.

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Ariel Vromen: So basically, when he was a teenager and I

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Ariel Vromen: was 11, 12 years old, I was already sitting

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Ariel Vromen: down and watching all those amazing films

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Ariel Vromen: of those great filmmakers, not even

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Ariel Vromen: understanding what I'm watching some of

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Ariel Vromen: them, but understanding that there is a

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Ariel Vromen: much bigger layer into cinema than just a

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Ariel Vromen: story and a projection of, of of an action.

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Ariel Vromen: But you know, I still tell my brother

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Ariel Vromen: sometimes it's like, man, imagine that we

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Ariel Vromen: were the Roman brothers.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean now, look at the brothers.

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Ariel Vromen: Every, every, every, all the brothers are

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Ariel Vromen: doing so well, you know, because they got

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Ariel Vromen: to be one brother that he's really really

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Ariel Vromen: deep in his mind and his knowledge and his

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Ariel Vromen: depth.

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Ariel Vromen: And there's another brother that is really

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Ariel Vromen: visuals and and and eccentric and can, can,

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Ariel Vromen: can convince people.

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Ariel Vromen: And I was that guy.

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Ariel Vromen: My brother is definitely, you know, was the

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Ariel Vromen: deep, deep, deep, deep person.

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Ariel Vromen: Like until today, like every time I'm

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Ariel Vromen: talking to him about films it's, it's

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Ariel Vromen: almost become annoying because he's so

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Ariel Vromen: smart and he can.

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Ariel Vromen: You know he's like, oh, if you would watch

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Ariel Vromen: Bergman movie that he did and did it in the

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Ariel Vromen: 67, you know you're going to be like funny

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Ariel Vromen: and Alexander.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, like that idea that ever it in the

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Marc Preston: past, movies influenced the way things done.

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Marc Preston: Anthony Bourdain on his show, he always had

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Marc Preston: this one, edie.

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Marc Preston: He was always trying to find a directing

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Marc Preston: style or a cinematography style from some

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Marc Preston: movie and how that be what influenced a

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Marc Preston: different episode, and then he and I would.

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Marc Preston: I'll be the first to admit there are a lot

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Marc Preston: of names that influence a lot of great

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Marc Preston: filmmakers.

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Marc Preston: I've never seen their work, but it gives me

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Marc Preston: something to sit down with.

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Marc Preston: All these streamers, all the stuff's

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Marc Preston: available, you can watch it somewhere.

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Ariel Vromen: By the way, it's not that true, because a

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Ariel Vromen: lot of the great film in the history of

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Ariel Vromen: cinema is not is not available.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, maybe you can buy some on iTunes

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Ariel Vromen: and Amazon.

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Ariel Vromen: But Netflix, by the way, on its first round

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Ariel Vromen: was full of amazing source of materials, of

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Ariel Vromen: foreign films and the libraries were

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Ariel Vromen: incredible.

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Ariel Vromen: But they switch all those libraries to

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Ariel Vromen: originals and the regionals, as you know.

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Ariel Vromen: It's a hit and miss with them.

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Ariel Vromen: So I actually wonder if I think there is,

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Ariel Vromen: like there used to be, a great channel on

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Ariel Vromen: cables that used to have all those great

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Ariel Vromen: films.

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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, who knows?

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Marc Preston: who's got like the criterion collection or

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Marc Preston: whatever?

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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, something like that.

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Ariel Vromen: So, by the way, I wonder when is going to

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Ariel Vromen: be the next streamer that just going to be.

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Ariel Vromen: But then again, these are these, all

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Ariel Vromen: libraries.

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Marc Preston: Who knows even who control the rights of

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Marc Preston: all those films right now in terms of

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Marc Preston: that's the thing, which is it's a little

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Marc Preston: bit of the Wild West, but it's interesting

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Marc Preston: to kind of sit back and watch it.

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Marc Preston: But as far as being a creator, you know

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Marc Preston: right now there's work for you, you know

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Marc Preston: there are things to do and that's like the

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Marc Preston: zen of it.

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Ariel Vromen: Oh, there's work.

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Ariel Vromen: I'm telling you, actually friends of mine,

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Ariel Vromen: that acting and that's like man you're

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Ariel Vromen: living in definitely the golden age you

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Ariel Vromen: know for busy.

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Marc Preston: Well, ariel, I got real quick what I call

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Marc Preston: my presence lucky.

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Marc Preston: Seven like fire off.

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Marc Preston: Seven questions Everybody work with this

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Marc Preston: little extra insight and, you know, let you

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Marc Preston: get going and hang out with that lovely

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Marc Preston: three-year-old.

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Marc Preston: You got First question.

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Marc Preston: I got what is your favorite comfort food?

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Marc Preston: I'm very curious.

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Marc Preston: Being Jewish, I'm like people coming from

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Marc Preston: Israel, or you know.

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Marc Preston: It's like, is it something from home or is

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Marc Preston: it something no?

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Ariel Vromen: no, it's a great question I love the

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Ariel Vromen: matzabal soup and there is nothing I like

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Ariel Vromen: more.

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Ariel Vromen: Do you go down?

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Marc Preston: to Cantor's Deli down at Fairfax.

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Ariel Vromen: No, it's actually Cantor's.

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Ariel Vromen: It's still open, but there was like there

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Ariel Vromen: was a Green Blood.

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Ariel Vromen: There was Green Blood Deli on on Sunset and

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Ariel Vromen: next to the Laugh Factory, but they shut

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Ariel Vromen: down.

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Ariel Vromen: So they had the best matzabal soup, but

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Ariel Vromen: they're not existing.

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Marc Preston: I tell you what if you make your way, if

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Marc Preston: you're down in New Orleans or next time in

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Marc Preston: LA, I've got the recipe.

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Marc Preston: See, I know my recipe is good.

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Marc Preston: It's something I came up with because my

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Marc Preston: family handed it over to me, said OK, pass

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Marc Preston: over, you're the guy.

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Marc Preston: And then my ex-wife's family did the same

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Marc Preston: thing.

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Marc Preston: I'm like, well, I'm a big fan of making a

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Marc Preston: more like a stew, not like that clear broth.

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Marc Preston: I like a little chunks of chicken and this

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Marc Preston: is stew is amazing.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, for me it's like you know.

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Ariel Vromen: Another food that I love and it is a

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Ariel Vromen: comfort is I love good hummus, but that's

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Ariel Vromen: because I'm from Israel, Of course, but in

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Ariel Vromen: LA they got some good restaurants, so I

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Ariel Vromen: found some good, but yeah, hummus and

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Ariel Vromen: matzabal soup, those are the two things

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Ariel Vromen: that, if I eat them, I feel home.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, that, and you know, for me it's a

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Marc Preston: funny mention matzabal soup, that and

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Marc Preston: making locks and I, you know I actually

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Marc Preston: taught my daughter and she basically does

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Marc Preston: it.

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Marc Preston: Now we go get some good salmon, cure it, we

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Marc Preston: make it at home and it's better than

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Marc Preston: anything and get in the store too.

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Marc Preston: You know that's right.

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Marc Preston: But I can talk all day about food.

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Marc Preston: But if you were to sit down, next question

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Marc Preston: three people, anybody in the world are we

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Marc Preston: going to sit down and just have a coffee

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Marc Preston: and just four of y'all at a table have a

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Marc Preston: talk?

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Marc Preston: Who are three people you would love to sit

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Marc Preston: down with?

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Ariel Vromen: I would say I would love to sit with Martin

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Ariel Vromen: Scorsese.

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Ariel Vromen: He's following me on Instagram but I could

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Ariel Vromen: not get a coffee with him yet.

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Ariel Vromen: I would love to sit with, and I did sit

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Ariel Vromen: with him, but I just like, even now more

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Ariel Vromen: curious to hear more about what he has to

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Ariel Vromen: say with Elon Musk, just like to see where

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Ariel Vromen: his mindset is.

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Ariel Vromen: And I would say, another person that I was

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Ariel Vromen: lately very curious to talk I guess it's

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Ariel Vromen: maybe Helen Mirren.

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Ariel Vromen: I heard some amazing interviews and I just

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Ariel Vromen: like, and a friend of mine just did a movie

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Ariel Vromen: with her, a guy named Tiv Golda, and even

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Ariel Vromen: what he told me about the experience of

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Ariel Vromen: working with her was just incredible.

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Marc Preston: She was cast to play Golda Meir and there

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Marc Preston: was some issues like they said well, she's

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Marc Preston: not Jewish.

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Marc Preston: No, I can't imagine any other living

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Marc Preston: actress that could do that.

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Ariel Vromen: Oh, she's Tricenomo.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, and I remember when we were younger.

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Marc Preston: Of course you're in Israel, but I remember

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Marc Preston: being in Sunday school and we watched the

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Marc Preston: Golda Meir movie the one back in the early

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Marc Preston: 80s and I was like man, that's like, that's

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Marc Preston: the Iron Lady.

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Marc Preston: There's something about her.

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Marc Preston: One of my favorite quotes from her, simi

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Marc Preston: said what do you wish you'd done more of,

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Marc Preston: or whatever in life?

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Marc Preston: She's like I wish I would have told more

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Marc Preston: people to fuck off.

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Ariel Vromen: Yeah.

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Marc Preston: Now another question who was your celebrity

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Marc Preston: crush growing up?

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Marc Preston: Though that was your next question.

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Announcer: Hmm.

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Ariel Vromen: I think, it was a French actress, sophie

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Ariel Vromen: Marceau.

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Ariel Vromen: She was braveheart and she was also in that

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Ariel Vromen: French film that I was a kid I was obsessed

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Ariel Vromen: about, called the party la boom, so yeah

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Ariel Vromen: she, you're giving me so many movies to

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Ariel Vromen: write.

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Marc Preston: I've been making notes of some of these

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Marc Preston: movies here that I need to go watch, you

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Marc Preston: know.

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Marc Preston: Now.

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Marc Preston: Next question, real quick, is what is your

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Marc Preston: definition of a perfect day?

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Marc Preston: You know, get up, you get going and just

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Marc Preston: kind of the arc of the day, what would be a

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Marc Preston: perfect day for you?

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Ariel Vromen: I think a perfect day is a day that, first

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Ariel Vromen: of all, I have no pain as you can relate to,

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Ariel Vromen: so no body pain that I don't need to deal

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Ariel Vromen: with anything with my health, so that's a

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Ariel Vromen: good day.

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Ariel Vromen: I think another good day is any moment of

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Ariel Vromen: the day that I found myself receiving some

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Ariel Vromen: good news on some of my journey path, For

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Ariel Vromen: instance, you know, booking a big show, or

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Ariel Vromen: getting an actor saying yes, or watching a

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Ariel Vromen: scene and finally it's working and the cut.

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Ariel Vromen: Or showing the movie to people and getting

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Ariel Vromen: good response, or hearing my daughter

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Ariel Vromen: saying in your words so I think every good

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Ariel Vromen: news about the process, about any process

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Ariel Vromen: that you are in a day always get me really

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Ariel Vromen: satisfied and pumped.

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Ariel Vromen: And, by the way, sometimes a good day is

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Ariel Vromen: also a very negative, like if I'm getting

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Ariel Vromen: rejected, like a strong rejection for me is

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Ariel Vromen: also I learn how to turn it into a positive

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Ariel Vromen: feeling.

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Marc Preston: It's so funny you say that because I am

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Marc Preston: very much the same way, because I, you know,

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Marc Preston: you know doing being a director, you know

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Marc Preston: working in this industry.

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Marc Preston: I mean you know every part of the process

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Marc Preston: or wins and losses, but all together it's

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Marc Preston: an education you know, Now the other

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Marc Preston: question is, of course, since you're not

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Marc Preston: just film, but music, you're on an island

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Marc Preston: one year, one album, one DVD can bring with

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Marc Preston: you for that whole year.

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Marc Preston: What would that album be and what would

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Marc Preston: that?

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Ariel Vromen: DVD be?

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Ariel Vromen: That's almost one of the toughest questions

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Ariel Vromen: I've ever been.

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Ariel Vromen: Asked To choose one album and one movie or

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Ariel Vromen: show, I would probably say that I would go

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Ariel Vromen: for probably some one of probably a Pink

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Ariel Vromen: Floyd album, maybe Dark Side of the Moon.

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Ariel Vromen: I know I'm still obsessed about Pink Floyd

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Ariel Vromen: and if it was a movie and one movie that I

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Ariel Vromen: could watch it again and again, I think it

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Ariel Vromen: would be Plain Trains and Automobiles.

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Marc Preston: That is so crazy.

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Marc Preston: I literally last fell.

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Marc Preston: I spoke with comedian Craig Schumacher said

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Marc Preston: the exact same thing, so already out of the

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Marc Preston: gate we got a theme running in my show here.

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Announcer: Plain Trains and Automobiles.

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Marc Preston: But who doesn't love John Candy?

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Marc Preston: You know.

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Marc Preston: I mean, he's the guy that left us too soon.

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Ariel Vromen: I watched that film.

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Ariel Vromen: I'm not joking.

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Ariel Vromen: I watched that movie about a thousand times.

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Ariel Vromen: Every time I watch it, I can just rewatch

Speaker:
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Ariel Vromen: it, and Steve Martin.

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Ariel Vromen: It's just like it was one of the best

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Ariel Vromen: Christmas films of all time.

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Marc Preston: Now you're going to say that's another.

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Marc Preston: I just got to go rewatch that Now.

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Marc Preston: Next question if you weren't doing this for

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Marc Preston: a living, what would you be doing Outside

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Marc Preston: of directing?

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Ariel Vromen: and making music and DJing.

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Ariel Vromen: Exactly, I can't, I cannot, you know, it's

Speaker:
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Ariel Vromen: so much.

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Ariel Vromen: It's funny that because so many I had.

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Ariel Vromen: Like you know, when you're going through

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01:13:21,304 --> 01:13:24,213

Ariel Vromen: some downsides in your career or when

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Ariel Vromen: you're not necessarily doing everything

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Ariel Vromen: that you wanted to do, I always have those

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01:13:28,284 --> 01:13:31,889

Ariel Vromen: questions like, okay, I'm quitting what I'm

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Ariel Vromen: going to do, I'm going to go back to

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Ariel Vromen: working in companies and high tech, or no,

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Ariel Vromen: I really will fight to death to keep on

Speaker:
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Ariel Vromen: doing what I'm doing.

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Ariel Vromen: I really cannot think about anything that

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Ariel Vromen: will make me satisfy.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, and that's that's goes along also

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Ariel Vromen: with a lot of money.

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Ariel Vromen: Like I mean, if somebody's going to come to

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Ariel Vromen: me, they just leave everything you do right

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Ariel Vromen: now, leave the music, leave the film, and

Speaker:
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Ariel Vromen: here's a paycheck that's going to turn your

Speaker:
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Ariel Vromen: life into like golden cage.

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Ariel Vromen: I will be saying respectfully and humbly no,

Speaker:
2012

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Ariel Vromen: no, because money is never it was never a

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Ariel Vromen: driving force in my life.

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Marc Preston: That's a litmus test.

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Marc Preston: You're doing what you need to be doing,

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Marc Preston: right, because you can't see doing anything

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Marc Preston: else.

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Marc Preston: You know that's that's the way I look at it.

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Marc Preston: You know, if you love what you're doing and

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Marc Preston: you can't imagine yourself doing anything

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Marc Preston: else I've heard many actors that I've

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Marc Preston: spoken with over the years say that it's

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Marc Preston: like if you can't imagine doing anything

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Marc Preston: else, then this is the thing for you.

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Ariel Vromen: Yeah.

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Marc Preston: Now last question if you could jump into

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Marc Preston: your DeLorean cruise back to when you're 16

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Marc Preston: years old, what is just that piece of

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2029

01:14:36,761 --> 01:14:38,966

Marc Preston: advice you're giving yourself just a heads

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Marc Preston: up like.

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Marc Preston: By the way, this is a piece of info you

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Marc Preston: need to, you know, follow.

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Ariel Vromen: You have good questions, man, Because

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2034

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Ariel Vromen: absolutely it's questions we saw, because

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2035

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Ariel Vromen: it's really reflecting on the person that

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2036

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Ariel Vromen: sits in front of you and answering those.

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2037

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Ariel Vromen: The advice that I will give to me when I

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2038

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Ariel Vromen: was 16 will be that everything that you

Speaker:
2039

01:15:10,276 --> 01:15:13,239

Ariel Vromen: think, the reflection, especially on that

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2040

01:15:13,419 --> 01:15:17,482

Ariel Vromen: age, the reflection of people around you,

Speaker:
2041

01:15:17,685 --> 01:15:20,788

Ariel Vromen: the reflection of the world around you, is

Speaker:
2042

01:15:20,928 --> 01:15:23,710

Ariel Vromen: only a weird, awkward mirror of your eyes,

Speaker:
2043

01:15:23,891 --> 01:15:30,296

Ariel Vromen: which means don't ever think that your

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2044

01:15:30,857 --> 01:15:34,600

Ariel Vromen: action and doing has to be in correlation

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Ariel Vromen: with the acceptance of others.

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Ariel Vromen: Because I was relatively late age to meet

Speaker:
2047

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Ariel Vromen: 30s.

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Ariel Vromen: Actually I was so sensitive to what people

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2049

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Ariel Vromen: had to say about me or what they have to

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2050

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Ariel Vromen: say about my work and what to say about,

Speaker:
2051

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Ariel Vromen: like you know, am I going to make it Like I

Speaker:
2052

01:15:52,230 --> 01:15:54,075

Ariel Vromen: had so much pressure that I put myself.

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2053

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Ariel Vromen: So I think if I'm going to go back in age,

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2054

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Ariel Vromen: it's like just don't worry, Really don't

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2055

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Ariel Vromen: worry, because it's all eventually

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2056

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Ariel Vromen: interpretation of your mind.

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Marc Preston: It's all subjective.

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Marc Preston: You know, what I tell my kids is that, on

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2059

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Marc Preston: that note and I love that is that I say I

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2060

01:16:10,931 --> 01:16:13,775

Marc Preston: always tell my kids the way people act

Speaker:
2061

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Marc Preston: towards you.

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Marc Preston: What they say about you, what you're doing,

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2063

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Marc Preston: is more of a reflection on them than it is

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Marc Preston: you.

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Marc Preston: It's their interpretation, you know, I said

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2066

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Marc Preston: don't try to please anybody, myself

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Marc Preston: included you know, do that thing and, like

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Marc Preston: you said, you can't imagine yourself doing

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Marc Preston: anything else.

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Marc Preston: That's that's when the play kind of locks

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Marc Preston: in and the act of doing your gig is the

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Marc Preston: play, you know.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean, I mean I'm thinking about even

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Ariel Vromen: hearing myself saying that is kind of like

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Ariel Vromen: comes, comes back to not to to to a

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Ariel Vromen: specific thing, but basically like that If

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Ariel Vromen: you're thinking that you're in a bad place

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2078

01:16:45,508 --> 01:16:48,451

Ariel Vromen: because you feel that reflection of the

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2079

01:16:48,611 --> 01:16:50,894

Ariel Vromen: eyes, that you believe that so many eyes

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Ariel Vromen: are looking at you and they're in, if

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Ariel Vromen: you're going to quit or you're going to do

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2082

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Ariel Vromen: something, they're going to be all like

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2083

01:16:55,198 --> 01:16:57,301

Ariel Vromen: ditching you and and put you into shame.

Speaker:
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Ariel Vromen: I really understood in my life that that's

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2085

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Ariel Vromen: actually the opposite.

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Ariel Vromen: It's like you can not be influenced by, by

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01:17:05,690 --> 01:17:08,053

Ariel Vromen: other thoughts and and and you need to know

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Ariel Vromen: and I will give it also another quick

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01:17:09,375 --> 01:17:12,080

Ariel Vromen: advice is like that this show be passed.

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Marc Preston: I mean everything bad that you think at the

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01:17:14,730 --> 01:17:19,267

Marc Preston: moment that is a disaster will pass and

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Marc Preston: that's that's that's the hard thing, I

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Marc Preston: think during the pandemic is I got, I know

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Marc Preston: it's, it's gonna be over, I mean, if it's a

Speaker:
2095

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Marc Preston: year, you know.

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Marc Preston: I mean I don't mean to be flip about it,

Speaker:
2097

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Marc Preston: but I understand it will pass eventually.

Speaker:
2098

01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:34,688

Marc Preston: But for these kids it will pass and it will

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Marc Preston: be okay, everything is eventually work.

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Ariel Vromen: If you are down, you're gonna get a great

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2101

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Ariel Vromen: rise.

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Ariel Vromen: If you're up, you might fall, but it will

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Ariel Vromen: pass.

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Marc Preston: You got to ride that middle lane pretty

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2105

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Marc Preston: well, you know it's not get too up, too

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2106

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Marc Preston: down.

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Marc Preston: And I tell my kids it's like you know the

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Marc Preston: same thing, this exact same thing.

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Marc Preston: It's like this, this stuff it's going on,

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01:17:55,365 --> 01:17:56,618

Marc Preston: it's it's not gonna be.

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Marc Preston: And being in high school man, it that's the

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Marc Preston: hardest time to actually let that be a

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Marc Preston: reality for you.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean I see my daughter like I feel so sad

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01:18:07,257 --> 01:18:10,890

Ariel Vromen: because they really don't see much the key.

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Ariel Vromen: The parents became paranoid, especially

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Ariel Vromen: here in California.

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Ariel Vromen: I mean people really lost their mind.

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Ariel Vromen: But that's a Joe.

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Marc Preston: Rogan, exactly, we just tried to do the

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Marc Preston: right thing take care of the people around.

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Marc Preston: But, ariel, I more than appreciate you

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Marc Preston: taking the time out to have been very

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Marc Preston: generous with your time especially just

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Marc Preston: coming right back in from Mexico.

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Marc Preston: Man, I like I that's, you've got see.

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Marc Preston: Hey, you may be near 50, but that's a lot

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Marc Preston: of energy right there, you know if you're

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Marc Preston: go-go-go.

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Ariel Vromen: But I gotta yeah, I don't know where I

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Ariel Vromen: really need to keep on training and be

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Ariel Vromen: strong, because I need a lot of energy.

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Marc Preston: Well, you know, I'm good, you know the 1992,

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Marc Preston: it's, now is it, night is era that is it.

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Ariel Vromen: A title is still.

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Ariel Vromen: It's gonna be probably decision of a studio,

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Ariel Vromen: but the writer, the original author, sasha

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Ariel Vromen: Pan, called this project April 29, 1992.

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Marc Preston: That was the and this is about the right,

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Marc Preston: but the post Rodney King decision in Los

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Marc Preston: Angeles right about the riots.

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Ariel Vromen: It's happening on the night the riots

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Ariel Vromen: started and eventually it's.

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Ariel Vromen: It's just it's it's in a pretty good group

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Ariel Vromen: of thieves that this day that taking

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Ariel Vromen: advantage to steal this catalyzed

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Ariel Vromen: converters, platinum factory basic because

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Ariel Vromen: they used to make a lot of industry here in

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Ariel Vromen: LA and they used to make those cut the

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Ariel Vromen: converters for the cars and used to put

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Ariel Vromen: platinum in it.

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Ariel Vromen: So they the fact you hold a safe with all

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Ariel Vromen: the bullions of platinum.

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Ariel Vromen: So those guys basically took advantage that

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Ariel Vromen: basically there was no police, there was no

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Ariel Vromen: law and order on that day in in Los Angeles.

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Ariel Vromen: So they're taking advantage and robbing the

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Ariel Vromen: place.

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Ariel Vromen: Obviously getting you know the wrong guys

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Ariel Vromen: is appearing there with his son and Sally's

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Ariel Vromen: becoming like almost like a diehard

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Ariel Vromen: situation.

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Ariel Vromen: But the movie does tell you the story of

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Ariel Vromen: what happened that day.

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Ariel Vromen: You feel the riots you, you see them, it's

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Ariel Vromen: it's happening during that.

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Ariel Vromen: So it's, yeah, it's pretty exciting film.

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Ariel Vromen: I'm actually very, very happy with this one

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Ariel Vromen: that's.

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Marc Preston: That's great.

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Marc Preston: It's so weird to think of how long ago that

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Marc Preston: really was.

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Marc Preston: Well, mazel tov on finishing that film up

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Marc Preston: and looking forward to seeing it.

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Marc Preston: And my friend, you've been very, very

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Marc Preston: generous to the time and I certainly

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Marc Preston: appreciate it.

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Marc Preston: If you're ever in New Orleans now, hook you

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Marc Preston: up with some matzah ball soup, some good

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Marc Preston: stuff.

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Marc Preston: Well, there you go.

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Marc Preston: Ariel Vroman, what an interesting guy.

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Marc Preston: Enjoyed that chat and looking forward to

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Marc Preston: his new movie, 1992, something like that.

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Marc Preston: As he mentioned.

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Marc Preston: The name could change between now and when

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Marc Preston: it's released, but great, great director

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Marc Preston: man, I really love his work.

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Marc Preston: Great DJ also.

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Marc Preston: You know he's super, super talented.

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Marc Preston: Thank you again for taking part in this

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Marc Preston: episode.

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Marc Preston: Come on back for the next one.

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Marc Preston: Want to see you.

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Marc Preston: Don't forget, head on over to story and

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Marc Preston: craft podcom.

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Marc Preston: Once again, story and craft podcom.

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Marc Preston: stay up-to-date on what.

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Marc Preston: What's going on with story and craft.

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Marc Preston: Okay, so I'm gonna head on out.

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Marc Preston: You have a killer rest of your day and

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Marc Preston: we'll see you next week right here on story

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Marc Preston: and craft that's it for this episode of

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Marc Preston: story and craft.

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Announcer: right here on story and craft.

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