Chris Baker | Creating Your Own Story

The Mike First Love was always a movie's

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Chris Baker: The amount of entertainment that I derived

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Chris Baker: from the theatrical experience.

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Chris Baker: It was like going to church for me.

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Announcer: Welcome to Story and Craft.

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Announcer: Now here's your host, Marc Preston.

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Marc Preston: Well, welcome back.

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Marc Preston: How are you?

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Marc Preston: I'm Marc Preston and this is Story and

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Marc Preston: Craft, and I am so jazzed that you are back.

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Marc Preston: If you've checked out previous episodes,

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Marc Preston: another episode, and if you are new to the

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Marc Preston: I promise I won't stink up the joint.

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Marc Preston: You'll enjoy yourself, I promise.

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Marc Preston: And I tell you, this week we have a great

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Marc Preston: episode a guy named Chris Baker you may

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Marc Preston: know him from YouTube or maybe not, but he

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Marc Preston: has got his very first feature length film

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Marc Preston: It's on Hulu.

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Marc Preston: It's called the Estate and he wrote it and

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Marc Preston: he is the lead actor in it and it's a

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Marc Preston: really cool conversation about movie making

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Marc Preston: and how to kind of create your own thing

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Marc Preston: And anybody who's an actor or a creative,

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Marc Preston: where you can create your thing and get it

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Marc Preston: The inspiration's right here, with a guy

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Marc Preston: who got it done Again, chris Baker.

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Marc Preston: So glad to have him this week and I'm

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Marc Preston: It's a great conversation and don't forget

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Marc Preston: You know we got some cool episodes in the

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Marc Preston: library already, some very cool episodes on

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Marc Preston: the way, but this week, right now, it's

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Marc Preston: Chris Baker Day, right here on Story and

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Chris Baker: Just so you know, I am in Mammoth right now

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Chris Baker: and my husband and all of his friends at

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Chris Baker: some point will be walking not through here,

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Chris Baker: but in the house that we're staying in.

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Chris Baker: And they're like I don't think when that

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Chris Baker: I will let you know when I hear.

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Chris Baker: You'll let me know if you hear it, and then

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Chris Baker: we'll be good.

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Marc Preston: You know that makes it more interesting.

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Marc Preston: Probably hear my daughter texting me right

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Marc Preston: now, so it's like I got to put that on mute.

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Marc Preston: But, man, congratulations, by the way, on

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Marc Preston: the film.

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Marc Preston: On the film, what an accomplishment.

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Marc Preston: I mean I'm so glad that we're here To write

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Marc Preston: something and to also get it on Now.

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Marc Preston: I mean all the different things that have

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Marc Preston: to go right before you get a movie into the

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Marc Preston: I mean all along the line.

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Marc Preston: So congratulations on that.

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Marc Preston: Definitely want to talk about the movie,

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Marc Preston: without a doubt.

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Marc Preston: I watched it the other night.

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Marc Preston: Sit down on my laptop and my sofa, I'm like,

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Marc Preston: oh, a little mystery going on and like,

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Marc Preston: within the first couple minutes, man, you

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Marc Preston: I'm like, all right, this is what we're

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Marc Preston: I mean, so it's, it was a lot of fun.

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Marc Preston: I will say that I had a blast.

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Marc Preston: In fact, last night I didn't, you know, I

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Marc Preston: saw you did the your YouTube series, the

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Marc Preston: one about you being afraid to speak with

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Marc Preston: somebody who is British because it affects

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Marc Preston: your accident, affects you.

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Marc Preston: I, I just it.

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Marc Preston: It rang so true.

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Marc Preston: There was this girl in college.

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Marc Preston: I remember that any time she had a little

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Marc Preston: too much to drink, she suddenly put on a

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Marc Preston: British accent.

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Marc Preston: We don't know where it came from.

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Marc Preston: So I was like that.

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Marc Preston: That just kind of resonated with me.

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Marc Preston: It was hilarious.

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Chris Baker: I think that's had a lot of fun with that.

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Chris Baker: I think there's a medical term for that

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Marc Preston: Sorority, I think the term but, no, but,

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Marc Preston: but no.

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Marc Preston: Seriously, though, congratulations, man.

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Marc Preston: I have to say I'm kind of getting

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Marc Preston: introduced to you, but it's a pleasure,

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Marc Preston: it's a.

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Marc Preston: It's a fun introduction because I didn't

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Marc Preston: know about your web series and I checked

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Marc Preston: that out and I noticed there is said a lot

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Marc Preston: of the videos were not available yet.

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Marc Preston: I was like, damn you, you wet my appetite.

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Marc Preston: I wanted to know more, I wanted to you know,

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Marc Preston: watch more.

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Chris Baker: So, with my web series that was called

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Chris Baker: Baker Daily, what happened there was we did

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Chris Baker: really well and it was on Funny or Die and

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Chris Baker: on YouTube and it was about this very I

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Chris Baker: played up and I wrote it myself and it was.

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Chris Baker: It was about a very inept cable news anchor

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Chris Baker: who stumbles into impeaching Donald Trump

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Chris Baker: with this explosive story that he finds

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Chris Baker: about his wife and his and one of his

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Chris Baker: I mean, it was right around 2017, 2018 when

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Chris Baker: and people were loving it and then, slowly,

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Chris Baker: there were some Trump people that found it

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Chris Baker: and then I think there was a whole Reddit

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Chris Baker: thread about how they needed to find my

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Chris Baker: address and I started getting death threats

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Chris Baker: and I and my producers we were kind of

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Chris Baker: the best course of action would be to to

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Chris Baker: take it down.

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Chris Baker: For now I would hope that it could live,

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Chris Baker: but that that is the story and that is why

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Chris Baker: currently it is not available anywhere,

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Chris Baker: because I love comedy and I and I I love

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Chris Baker: what I do.

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Chris Baker: I do love my life just a little bit.

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Marc Preston: I do like, I do like living, and that's a

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Marc Preston: sad thing about that.

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Marc Preston: You talk about a group of people, about

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Marc Preston: Constitution and country and First

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Marc Preston: Amendment right there and, and satire is is.

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Marc Preston: I think comedy is one of the ways we kind

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Marc Preston: of keep people honest in a way.

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Marc Preston: And going back to even George Carlin boy, I

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Marc Preston: because he got it right, didn't he?

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Marc Preston: But I was curious though, with with the

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Marc Preston: movie and looking at the diversity between

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Marc Preston: A little different, most certainly, but the

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Marc Preston: thing about the through line is the you

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Marc Preston: have such a fun comedic like your timing is

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Marc Preston: just so fun to watch.

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Marc Preston: You know there's some people that is fun to

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Marc Preston: watch as much as they are delivering lines,

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Marc Preston: and I got a kick out of that.

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Marc Preston: But were you when you were coming up?

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Marc Preston: I mean, what were you like watching

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Marc Preston: comedians when?

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Marc Preston: I mean, who were you like North Stars when

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Marc Preston: it came to, you know, inspiration and stuff.

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Chris Baker: Yeah, I.

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Chris Baker: So I grew up basically watching Seinfeld,

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Chris Baker: friends and Sex in the City just about

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Chris Baker: every single intonation, every single sort

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Chris Baker: of thing about those characters.

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Chris Baker: I also watched a lot and even now of Family

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Chris Baker: Guy and South Park we talk about satire or

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Chris Baker: parody, or I mean truly ridiculousness,

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Chris Baker: that that just takes it so far and 30 rock

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Chris Baker: as well.

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Chris Baker: So those TV shows are really important for

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Chris Baker: me when I was growing up, but the my first

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Chris Baker: love was always movies and the amount of

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Chris Baker: entertainment that I derived from the

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Chris Baker: theatrical experience.

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Chris Baker: It was like going to church for me and it

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Chris Baker: truly was.

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Chris Baker: It was a religious experience, and the

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Chris Baker: longer I've been around, the longer I see

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Chris Baker: there are less and less movies where their

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Chris Baker: aim is to entertain, and I think right now

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Chris Baker: we have Marvel and we have a lot of I don't

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Chris Baker: know how to put it but like movies with a

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Chris Baker: They're like message movies that are often

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Chris Baker: independently made, that win a lot of

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Chris Baker: awards but no one goes to see, or if people

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Chris Baker: see them, they don't carry the same weight

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Chris Baker: and they don't have that life that can live

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Chris Baker: and be aired on cable forever.

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Chris Baker: I mean the movies that I watched on HBO

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Chris Baker: when I was way too young to see.

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Chris Baker: Them were like my best friend's wedding and

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Chris Baker: the net, and there were just these movies

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Chris Baker: that I thought were just there to divert

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Chris Baker: people for two hours and just entertain you

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Chris Baker: and just transport you.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, there's a Zen to just getting out of

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Marc Preston: And I think not.

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Marc Preston: And wouldn't that be nice yeah that's where

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Marc Preston: I think Judd Apatow is sort of our.

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Marc Preston: He's a prince of these kind of movies.

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Marc Preston: I remember back when Chris I can't remember,

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Marc Preston: I think it's Chris also, I think it's his

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Marc Preston: name they did the American Pie and all

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Marc Preston: those.

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Chris Baker: I remember seeing an interview back when

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Chris Baker: they oh, I loved those movies, yeah, when

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Chris Baker: I remember he was being interviewed.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, well, it's somehow like better than

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Marc Preston: others.

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Marc Preston: But he said listen, there aren't any good

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Marc Preston: rated R movies anymore.

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Marc Preston: You know, and I remember him saying this is

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Marc Preston: an interview, there's not a lot of stuff in

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Chris Baker: I mean, I grew up watching, you know this.

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Chris Baker: This movie, the Estate, which is available

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Chris Baker: on Hulu now, is heavily based on movies

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Chris Baker: like Cruel Intentions and Wild Things, and

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Chris Baker: there was a smaller film but it was still,

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Chris Baker: I think was released by Sony many years ago

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Chris Baker: called Jawbreaker, with Rose McGowan and

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Chris Baker: these very very hippie, like crazy movies,

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Chris Baker: but where the characters were manipulating

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Chris Baker: each other with sex.

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Chris Baker: And now, when I see a lot of movies today

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Marc Preston: Yeah, Ricky Gervais got it right when he

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Chris Baker: And it wasn't that fun to have people kind

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Marc Preston: Indeed indeed, yeah Well the question I've

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Chris Baker: Stuff that I did was based around the

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Chris Baker: I would not have stood in the way of that

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Chris Baker: But you know, there are no gay movie stars.

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Marc Preston: It seems like they feature gay characters

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Marc Preston: They're not a cliche, you know.

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Chris Baker: Absolutely there.

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Chris Baker: There, you know, I mean there's universal

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Chris Baker: Right now is I think they already completed

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Chris Baker: It's called Bros and it's with Billy

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Chris Baker: That's the first film of its kind and

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Chris Baker: Things are changing and I'm very proud that

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Marc Preston: Did you see the movie Booksmart, bonnie

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Chris Baker: I did yeah.

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Marc Preston: Well now, it's just, it's just not even

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Marc Preston: It's just, it's just part of what it you

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Marc Preston: So I think naturally the offshoot is we

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Marc Preston: It's not held up as a cliche.

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Chris Baker: And look, I want to.

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Chris Baker: You know, I should make clear that there is

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Marc Preston: So I think that you know, there are

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Chris Baker: Oh my God, so many people.

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Chris Baker: I worshiped at the altar of movie stars, I

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Marc Preston: You can't look at Brad Pitt.

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Chris Baker: just be in awe every time.

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Chris Baker: You know anyone who was ever in Boogie

490

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Chris Baker: Nights or Magnolia, and, and you know

491

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Chris Baker: Robert De Niro too, and there are a lot,

492

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Chris Baker: but the ones that just changed the culture.

493

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Chris Baker: And also, you know, they made great films,

494

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Chris Baker: but they also kept their eye on making sure

495

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Chris Baker: that they made movies that could be

496

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Chris Baker: commercially successful so that they would

497

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Chris Baker: please and entertain an audience.

498

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Chris Baker: That was really, you know, that wasn't just

499

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Chris Baker: this pursuit of artistic pleasure just

500

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Chris Baker: solely for themselves.

501

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Chris Baker: They wanted to do that for audiences.

502

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Chris Baker: It was what they're calling was.

503

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Marc Preston: As a writer and of course you did the

504

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Marc Preston: screenplay are you sort of like the school

505

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Marc Preston: thought that if they don't get all the

506

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Marc Preston: words, just quite right?

507

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Marc Preston: Is it like I really want this to be, you

508

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Marc Preston: know, kind of locked in, kind of like I'm

509

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Marc Preston: brain farting right now again?

510

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Marc Preston: But he wrote the West Wing.

511

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Marc Preston: Oh, aaron Sorkin, yeah, he's very, all the

512

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Marc Preston: words are very measured and carry weight

513

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Marc Preston: and you got.

514

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Marc Preston: He wants them to be all in there.

515

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Marc Preston: Are you like more like that or are you more

516

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Marc Preston: like, hey, I'm into improvisation.

517

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Chris Baker: I was into both, I think, our.

518

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Chris Baker: You know the director of the film, james

519

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Chris Baker: Kappner, who you know I've known for years,

520

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Chris Baker: who I collaborated with for so long.

521

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Chris Baker: I think we both went into this this feeling

522

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Chris Baker: so lucky with the cast that we had.

523

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Chris Baker: You know, eric Roberts plays my father, and

524

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Chris Baker: you know Eliza Koop from Happy Endings and

525

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Chris Baker: on this new show that's on Fox right now

526

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Chris Baker: called Pivoting, she plays my stepmother,

527

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Chris Baker: and Greg Finley, who's, you know, been on

528

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Chris Baker: all of these hunky TV shows for years,

529

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Chris Baker: played the hitman that we hire, and Heather

530

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Chris Baker: Madarato, who is, you know, part of the

531

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Chris Baker: this great indie tradition of filmmaking.

532

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Chris Baker: We were just so lucky to have these people

533

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Chris Baker: that it was.

534

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Chris Baker: We sort of, without even saying anything,

535

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Chris Baker: left it up to them.

536

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Chris Baker: So if there were things in the moment that

537

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Chris Baker: Eliza and I were playing off of each other,

538

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Chris Baker: by the way, that relationship you all have.

539

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Marc Preston: I think watching this it's worth watching

540

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Marc Preston: just to see the relationship with the two

541

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Marc Preston: of you.

542

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Marc Preston: Just, it's just.

543

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Marc Preston: It is a, it's a, it's a well executed hot

544

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Marc Preston: mess.

545

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Marc Preston: So we'll say that that is.

546

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Marc Preston: You're all biased.

547

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Chris Baker: Yeah, I'm biased, obviously, but the we

548

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Chris Baker: knew that we had something really special,

549

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Chris Baker: comedically, when we would have to stop

550

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Chris Baker: rolling the camera because the director of

551

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Chris Baker: photography was laughing so hard that he

552

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Chris Baker: was shaking the camera.

553

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Chris Baker: You know the fact that that Eliza and I

554

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Chris Baker: just really we didn't know each other

555

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Chris Baker: before this and we, you know, we met about

556

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Chris Baker: the roles.

557

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Chris Baker: She didn't audition, you know, we were just

558

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Chris Baker: talking about the role with her and the

559

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Chris Baker: chemistry that we had within literally 10

560

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Chris Baker: seconds of her sitting down was just so

561

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Chris Baker: plainly evident that people were like this

562

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Chris Baker: is it?

563

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Chris Baker: The role is hers and and she owned it.

564

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Chris Baker: So back to your question.

565

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Chris Baker: I, you know it depended on the person and I

566

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Chris Baker: think what we wanted was to make sure that

567

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Chris Baker: the information in each scene came out,

568

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Chris Baker: because it is structured as a mystery and

569

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Chris Baker: you want each piece to guide the audience

570

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Chris Baker: along.

571

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Chris Baker: But if there's no, we'll say there is.

572

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Marc Preston: There's a lot of.

573

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Marc Preston: There's at least a good handful of times

574

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Marc Preston: I'm like I don't know where this is, though.

575

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Marc Preston: I didn't know what's going there.

576

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Marc Preston: And how often do you watch a movie?

577

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Marc Preston: Now You're like you can just see the

578

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Marc Preston: trailer and go.

579

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Marc Preston: I know basically what's going to happen in

580

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Marc Preston: this movie.

581

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Marc Preston: You know a lot of romantic comedies like

582

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Marc Preston: this.

583

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Marc Preston: If somebody watches this, they say, oh, I

584

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Marc Preston: know where this is going.

585

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Marc Preston: They're wrong.

586

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Marc Preston: You know which is kind of fun.

587

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Marc Preston: You know to to be taken on, that, like I

588

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Marc Preston: said at the outset, you're kind of going to

589

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Marc Preston: ride in this movie.

590

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Chris Baker: So not easy to do, you know.

591

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Chris Baker: I think that we we really made sure and and

592

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Chris Baker: it took, it took a while to kind of it took

593

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Chris Baker: a while to find that magic where we were

594

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Chris Baker: not kind of like showing so much exposition

595

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Chris Baker: and and you know, detailing so much for,

596

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Chris Baker: for for the audience, that we were just

597

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Chris Baker: kind of, you know, talking at them rather

598

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Chris Baker: than making them feel where this story was

599

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Chris Baker: going and feel where the actors and the

600

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Chris Baker: characters would show on screen that they

601

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Chris Baker: had to make these decisions, that they had

602

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Chris Baker: to go to those places.

603

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Marc Preston: Yeah, you know, anytime Eric Roberts shows

604

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Marc Preston: up in a movie, it's just like you know it's

605

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Marc Preston: going to get good in a moment, not that it

606

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Marc Preston: wasn't good already, it's just.

607

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Marc Preston: You know, eric Roberts brings kind of his

608

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Marc Preston: own kind of special sauce to things.

609

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Marc Preston: You know, which was you know and I'm so.

610

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Marc Preston: There are things I want to discuss like but

611

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Marc Preston: if I do it'll be a spoiler.

612

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Marc Preston: Don't want to do that.

613

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Marc Preston: But when you, as far as the inspiration for

614

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Marc Preston: this was there, you talked about the like

615

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Marc Preston: cruel intentions and things like that had,

616

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Marc Preston: had you sat down and thought I want to make

617

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Marc Preston: a movie in that tone, in that vibe, or were

618

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Marc Preston: you just kind of like blank slate?

619

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Marc Preston: Or what inspired you to kind of sit down in

620

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Marc Preston: front of your editor or your your word

621

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Marc Preston: processor and start typing this up?

622

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Chris Baker: I had.

623

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Chris Baker: That's a good question.

624

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Chris Baker: The best way I can answer it is this I

625

00:23:17,344 --> 00:23:20,611

Chris Baker: thought that something was lost in movies

626

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Chris Baker: and I wanted to create a movie that I wish

627

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Chris Baker: existed and it was.

628

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Chris Baker: It would be something that was campy and

629

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Chris Baker: fun, but kind of dirty and sexy and a

630

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Chris Baker: little perverted and naughty and violent

631

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Chris Baker: and all of these sort of things that I felt

632

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Chris Baker: like really weren't a part of movies very

633

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Chris Baker: often anymore.

634

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Chris Baker: And the best way that I thought that could

635

00:23:50,459 --> 00:23:52,183

Chris Baker: make these characters do all of these

636

00:23:52,243 --> 00:23:54,736

Chris Baker: horrible things is money, because when you

637

00:23:54,756 --> 00:23:57,462

Chris Baker: look at our society today, people are less

638

00:23:57,502 --> 00:23:59,507

Chris Baker: and less religious, people are more

639

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Chris Baker: politically, you know, identified, but

640

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Chris Baker: after my experience with the web series, I

641

00:24:03,838 --> 00:24:05,193

Chris Baker: definitely didn't want to touch anything

642

00:24:05,214 --> 00:24:05,656

Chris Baker: political.

643

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Marc Preston: After after that, it's probably like you're

644

00:24:07,667 --> 00:24:09,709

Marc Preston: staying not even in the same zip code of

645

00:24:09,943 --> 00:24:10,224

Marc Preston: anything.

646

00:24:10,457 --> 00:24:12,753

Marc Preston: Yeah, yeah.

647

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Chris Baker: So so the thing that people seem to worship,

648

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Chris Baker: no matter who they are, no matter where

649

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Chris Baker: they're from, no matter what their gender

650

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Chris Baker: identity is, no matter what their sexuality

651

00:24:23,337 --> 00:24:25,561

Chris Baker: is, no matter what their race is, our

652

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Chris Baker: classes is money White people, black people,

653

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Chris Baker: rich people, poor people.

654

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Marc Preston: Okay, Well, you also touched on the whole

655

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Marc Preston: status thing.

656

00:24:33,893 --> 00:24:36,083

Marc Preston: Yeah, again, it's not a family movie, but I

657

00:24:36,124 --> 00:24:37,591

Marc Preston: mean, come on, this is a pure like date

658

00:24:37,631 --> 00:24:39,538

Marc Preston: night bottle of wine, just kick back.

659

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Marc Preston: And I mean it's on Hulu, it's easily

660

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Marc Preston: accessible, of course.

661

00:24:44,353 --> 00:24:46,379

Marc Preston: But when you were you coming, did you come

662

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Marc Preston: from a family that was creatively inclined,

663

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Marc Preston: or are you kind of the first one in the

664

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Marc Preston: family to kind of jump into this pool?

665

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Chris Baker: The very, very first one.

666

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Chris Baker: Yeah, I was a little good student and I

667

00:25:03,083 --> 00:25:06,631

Chris Baker: worked really hard in school and I ended up

668

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Chris Baker: going to great college and I was, but I was

669

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Chris Baker: studying film while I was there and so I

670

00:25:11,394 --> 00:25:13,376

Chris Baker: think it was always a foregone conclusion

671

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Chris Baker: that I would be doing this.

672

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Chris Baker: But it it took these different turns, but

673

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Chris Baker: my family was always very appreciative of

674

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Chris Baker: the arts and loved loved, so you had the

675

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Chris Baker: support.

676

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Marc Preston: In other words, this was not like what are

677

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Marc Preston: you doing?

678

00:25:30,324 --> 00:25:31,791

Marc Preston: Yeah, choose a more sensible gig.

679

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Marc Preston: What are you doing?

680

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Marc Preston: They were, they were getting behind you.

681

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Chris Baker: No, yeah, To know me is to know that there

682

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Chris Baker: was no other path for me.

683

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Chris Baker: So I think my parents and my older sister,

684

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Chris Baker: they looked at me and they're like this is

685

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Chris Baker: it?

686

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Chris Baker: He's not going to flip the script and go to

687

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Chris Baker: dental school, it's just not in the cards.

688

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Chris Baker: So if he's going to do this, then we just

689

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Chris Baker: really wish him the best.

690

00:25:55,651 --> 00:25:58,159

Chris Baker: They had no idea how to help me and I moved

691

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Chris Baker: here with no connections or to LA with no

692

00:26:00,866 --> 00:26:03,654

Chris Baker: like anything in my wheelhouse that could

693

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Chris Baker: help me.

694

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Marc Preston: Where are you from originally, though?

695

00:26:06,786 --> 00:26:07,308

Chris Baker: New York City.

696

00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:08,974

Marc Preston: Oh, okay, Well, that's still.

697

00:26:09,697 --> 00:26:11,823

Marc Preston: You're not coming from Topeka Kansas.

698

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Chris Baker: No, no, no, it was a long long stage and

699

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Chris Baker: sort of musical theater type people, which

700

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Chris Baker: was not my bag, Even though I'm gay, I

701

00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:21,314

Chris Baker: don't know why.

702

00:26:21,334 --> 00:26:23,661

Chris Baker: Musical theater just I can appreciate it,

703

00:26:23,701 --> 00:26:25,788

Chris Baker: but it's not something that you know just

704

00:26:26,369 --> 00:26:28,917

Chris Baker: works for me, it was always just movies.

705

00:26:29,458 --> 00:26:33,748

Chris Baker: So the idea that I would start from scratch

706

00:26:34,590 --> 00:26:37,356

Chris Baker: happened with my first opportunity, which

707

00:26:37,397 --> 00:26:41,088

Chris Baker: was reading scripts and watching films that

708

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Chris Baker: didn't have distribution yet, as an intern

709

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Chris Baker: for the Weinstein Company, which was quite

710

00:26:47,228 --> 00:26:48,412

Chris Baker: an eye-opening experience.

711

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Marc Preston: Oh, I'm sure, at many, many levels yeah.

712

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Chris Baker: Yeah, and I did retail for years and in

713

00:26:56,868 --> 00:26:58,777

Chris Baker: that in of itself was sort of a performance

714

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Chris Baker: for a first person.

715

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Marc Preston: That's my 16-year-old daughter.

716

00:27:02,565 --> 00:27:05,218

Marc Preston: Whenever I go to eat, she's seems enamored

717

00:27:05,278 --> 00:27:06,825

Marc Preston: by working at a restaurant.

718

00:27:06,865 --> 00:27:08,472

Marc Preston: I'm like you know, do what you want.

719

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Marc Preston: I think everyone should work in the service

720

00:27:10,399 --> 00:27:13,069

Marc Preston: industry or retail, at least once you know

721

00:27:13,752 --> 00:27:14,454

Marc Preston: 100%.

722

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Marc Preston: What do you think about the transition to

723

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Marc Preston: people watching more at home?

724

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Marc Preston: Naturally over the last couple of years

725

00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:21,040

Marc Preston: that's.

726

00:27:21,642 --> 00:27:23,046

Marc Preston: I mean, that's got to be where it's at, but

727

00:27:24,335 --> 00:27:24,797

Marc Preston: used to be.

728

00:27:24,877 --> 00:27:25,839

Marc Preston: If you were a TV actor.

729

00:27:25,859 --> 00:27:26,641

Marc Preston: You're a TV actor.

730

00:27:26,842 --> 00:27:28,706

Marc Preston: You're not crossing over in the film.

731

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Marc Preston: Back in the area you're talking about,

732

00:27:31,123 --> 00:27:32,368

Marc Preston: you'd rarely see that happen.

733

00:27:32,429 --> 00:27:33,433

Marc Preston: Now nobody cares.

734

00:27:33,533 --> 00:27:35,801

Marc Preston: You're going film TV and the blur is the

735

00:27:35,861 --> 00:27:37,547

Marc Preston: lines of what TV is anymore.

736

00:27:39,072 --> 00:27:40,656

Marc Preston: What do you think about that kind of change

737

00:27:40,717 --> 00:27:43,143

Marc Preston: and things being consumable at home without

738

00:27:43,163 --> 00:27:43,905

Marc Preston: having to go to the theater?

739

00:27:43,986 --> 00:27:46,658

Marc Preston: Or do you miss the big releases on a big

740

00:27:46,698 --> 00:27:47,018

Marc Preston: screen?

741

00:27:49,302 --> 00:27:50,784

Chris Baker: It's a complicated question.

742

00:27:52,447 --> 00:27:54,090

Chris Baker: I'm afraid it has a complicated answer.

743

00:27:54,255 --> 00:27:57,243

Chris Baker: I think change like this for this industry

744

00:27:57,303 --> 00:27:58,366

Chris Baker: is neither good nor bad.

745

00:27:58,406 --> 00:27:58,947

Chris Baker: It just is.

746

00:28:00,756 --> 00:28:02,481

Chris Baker: The most important thing is that people are

747

00:28:02,522 --> 00:28:02,903

Chris Baker: watching.

748

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Chris Baker: I do think that movies suffered and because

749

00:28:08,499 --> 00:28:11,805

Chris Baker: people, in my opinion, were burned over and

750

00:28:11,985 --> 00:28:15,937

Chris Baker: over and over and over again, paying single

751

00:28:15,997 --> 00:28:18,728

Chris Baker: tickets to watch a film, either in the

752

00:28:18,768 --> 00:28:19,772

Chris Baker: theater or on demand.

753

00:28:19,792 --> 00:28:20,575

Marc Preston: It's kind of a sell-out.

754

00:28:20,635 --> 00:28:22,380

Marc Preston: It's kind of good You're buying CDs back in

755

00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,265

Marc Preston: the day, spending $25 on a CD.

756

00:28:24,285 --> 00:28:25,187

Marc Preston: Only one song is good.

757

00:28:25,415 --> 00:28:26,057

Marc Preston: Yeah, that feeling.

758

00:28:26,077 --> 00:28:27,782

Chris Baker: Yeah absolutely.

759

00:28:29,747 --> 00:28:32,474

Chris Baker: In my opinion, it wasn't just the ease and

760

00:28:32,494 --> 00:28:35,560

Chris Baker: the streaming giants, the tech giants

761

00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:39,027

Chris Baker: trying to squeeze out the theatrical

762

00:28:39,067 --> 00:28:39,468

Chris Baker: experience.

763

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Chris Baker: I also think that the public soured on the

764

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Chris Baker: movies because the movies were not as

765

00:28:46,926 --> 00:28:49,656

Chris Baker: entertaining as they were before, and the

766

00:28:49,696 --> 00:28:53,043

Chris Baker: movies that are really there with the huge

767

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Chris Baker: budgets, that are there to entertain solely,

768

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Chris Baker: are the ones that are doing the best now.

769

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Marc Preston: Would you say it's more of the safe choices

770

00:29:01,614 --> 00:29:05,582

Marc Preston: they're taking the safe way out.

771

00:29:05,603 --> 00:29:07,366

Chris Baker: Yes, and the family films where it's a

772

00:29:07,426 --> 00:29:10,496

Chris Baker: whole outing for the whole family, that

773

00:29:10,516 --> 00:29:12,802

Chris Baker: makes a lot of sense, the four quadrant

774

00:29:12,942 --> 00:29:13,062

Chris Baker: ones.

775

00:29:13,143 --> 00:29:15,047

Chris Baker: But the movies that had smaller audiences,

776

00:29:15,996 --> 00:29:19,244

Chris Baker: even before COVID, were finding their

777

00:29:19,405 --> 00:29:21,932

Chris Baker: audiences when they arrived on a streamer,

778

00:29:22,353 --> 00:29:24,661

Chris Baker: not when they were released day in date on

779

00:29:24,681 --> 00:29:27,792

Chris Baker: demand in theaters or once they won awards.

780

00:29:27,832 --> 00:29:29,537

Chris Baker: It was always when they were on a streamer

781

00:29:29,577 --> 00:29:30,700

Chris Baker: people were scrolling through.

782

00:29:31,121 --> 00:29:32,505

Marc Preston: So you think kind of the COVID maybe

783

00:29:32,585 --> 00:29:34,741

Marc Preston: changed, kind of accelerated something that

784

00:29:34,781 --> 00:29:36,609

Marc Preston: was already in play, do you think?

785

00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:38,957

Chris Baker: people were moving that direction anyway.

786

00:29:39,779 --> 00:29:42,385

Chris Baker: Yes, there's no doubt, and I also think

787

00:29:42,525 --> 00:29:46,735

Chris Baker: that if you're going to have everything

788

00:29:46,915 --> 00:29:51,605

Chris Baker: available for everyone forever, there is a

789

00:29:51,665 --> 00:29:55,494

Chris Baker: lot of older stuff that many people haven't

790

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Chris Baker: seen.

791

00:29:55,895 --> 00:29:59,142

Chris Baker: Still that can be better than what's

792

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Chris Baker: currently available now.

793

00:30:01,408 --> 00:30:05,878

Chris Baker: So when you're at a theater, you see the

794

00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:08,947

Chris Baker: marquee and they're like five names, and so

795

00:30:09,388 --> 00:30:12,155

Chris Baker: more or less in that area where the theater

796

00:30:12,355 --> 00:30:15,521

Chris Baker: is serving, the public is sort of choosing

797

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Chris Baker: between those five movies.

798

00:30:17,685 --> 00:30:23,642

Chris Baker: When you're on your couch, you have a

799

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Chris Baker: hundred different apps with thousands of

800

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Chris Baker: movies and thousands of TV shows to choose

801

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Chris Baker: from, not to mention your phone, which has

802

00:30:32,986 --> 00:30:35,654

Chris Baker: multiple social media networks and constant

803

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Chris Baker: video content as well.

804

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Chris Baker: So if someone is actually getting your

805

00:30:40,465 --> 00:30:42,229

Chris Baker: attention enough for you to click on the

806

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Chris Baker: thing and then you're actually watching it

807

00:30:45,066 --> 00:30:46,654

Chris Baker: long enough, all the way through in one

808

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Chris Baker: sitting, I mean that's a miracle in and of

809

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Chris Baker: itself.

810

00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,082

Chris Baker: It really is.

811

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Chris Baker: So I prefer still to this day if a movie is

812

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Chris Baker: worth my time.

813

00:30:57,663 --> 00:30:59,387

Chris Baker: Although it's always a gamble, let's be

814

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Chris Baker: honest.

815

00:31:02,356 --> 00:31:04,343

Chris Baker: If you're going to take a chance on a film,

816

00:31:05,507 --> 00:31:07,494

Chris Baker: I would rather have the phone away, I would

817

00:31:07,515 --> 00:31:09,482

Chris Baker: rather have the popcorn, and I'd either go

818

00:31:09,522 --> 00:31:12,092

Chris Baker: alone or with some friends or with my

819

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Chris Baker: family or something, and sit and watch it

820

00:31:14,298 --> 00:31:16,623

Chris Baker: and be enveloped by the screen and kind of

821

00:31:16,684 --> 00:31:18,588

Chris Baker: have it wash over you and sort of be

822

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Chris Baker: transported.

823

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Marc Preston: It's a strangely communal kind of a thing.

824

00:31:23,084 --> 00:31:26,897

Marc Preston: I just it's seeing movies in a theater and

825

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Marc Preston: I think it's Spielberg said something that

826

00:31:28,564 --> 00:31:30,894

Marc Preston: we're entering an era where the only movies

827

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Marc Preston: that will show up in theaters are going to

828

00:31:32,103 --> 00:31:33,230

Marc Preston: be the big blockbusters, are going to be

829

00:31:33,271 --> 00:31:34,740

Marc Preston: hanging out in theaters for a long time.

830

00:31:35,203 --> 00:31:36,430

Marc Preston: Now it's like something's in the theater.

831

00:31:36,450 --> 00:31:37,175

Marc Preston: I'm like I got to see that.

832

00:31:37,195 --> 00:31:38,619

Marc Preston: Oh, it's already out of the theater.

833

00:31:40,124 --> 00:31:42,492

Marc Preston: But I think streaming for me it's.

834

00:31:42,773 --> 00:31:44,879

Marc Preston: I like being able to find those gyms, it's

835

00:31:44,919 --> 00:31:47,046

Marc Preston: like things that I never would have found

836

00:31:47,528 --> 00:31:50,658

Marc Preston: otherwise and I think it's almost gets into

837

00:31:51,882 --> 00:31:53,809

Marc Preston: not a niche necessarily, but things that

838

00:31:53,829 --> 00:31:56,036

Marc Preston: are like I know I can watch this and I'll

839

00:31:56,076 --> 00:31:59,083

Marc Preston: really like it, and probably my kids may or

840

00:31:59,123 --> 00:32:00,967

Marc Preston: may not, or it's a little bit more of a

841

00:32:01,027 --> 00:32:03,343

Marc Preston: personal kind of a relationship because you

842

00:32:03,383 --> 00:32:05,111

Marc Preston: can access, like you said, thousands of

843

00:32:05,151 --> 00:32:05,473

Marc Preston: movies.

844

00:32:05,493 --> 00:32:07,257

Marc Preston: So if you can't find something you like,

845

00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:09,201

Marc Preston: maybe go make it.

846

00:32:10,544 --> 00:32:12,788

Marc Preston: But that's kind of the thing also, that you

847

00:32:12,828 --> 00:32:15,443

Marc Preston: think that what you did, which I mean again

848

00:32:15,824 --> 00:32:18,754

Marc Preston: congratulations, because getting writing

849

00:32:18,814 --> 00:32:20,298

Marc Preston: something, getting it, getting all those

850

00:32:20,338 --> 00:32:22,584

Marc Preston: little pieces to fall into place, to get

851

00:32:22,644 --> 00:32:25,197

Marc Preston: something bought, to get something out

852

00:32:25,237 --> 00:32:25,778

Marc Preston: there is.

853

00:32:26,139 --> 00:32:28,585

Marc Preston: It's not an easy task, but you represent.

854

00:32:28,645 --> 00:32:30,637

Marc Preston: To me, it represents what?

855

00:32:30,657 --> 00:32:32,124

Marc Preston: I hope more people will glean from it.

856

00:32:33,028 --> 00:32:34,074

Marc Preston: If something's not out there, you don't

857

00:32:34,094 --> 00:32:36,139

Marc Preston: think you're getting cast or you know,

858

00:32:37,101 --> 00:32:39,085

Marc Preston: whatever God there creates something on

859

00:32:39,105 --> 00:32:40,749

Marc Preston: your own, and that's that.

860

00:32:41,736 --> 00:32:43,260

Marc Preston: That's easier said than done, I know, as

861

00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:44,946

Marc Preston: I'm sure you know better than anybody, but

862

00:32:46,256 --> 00:32:46,537

Marc Preston: do you?

863

00:32:47,361 --> 00:32:49,089

Marc Preston: By the way, I'm sorry, my we have a little

864

00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:50,355

Marc Preston: audience member back here, my golden

865

00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,360

Marc Preston: retriever.

866

00:32:53,661 --> 00:32:56,206

Marc Preston: Oh, he's a sweetheart, yeah, but what do

867

00:32:56,226 --> 00:32:58,189

Marc Preston: you think about the idea of for those who

868

00:32:58,430 --> 00:33:00,020

Marc Preston: are kind of in that cycle?

869

00:33:00,603 --> 00:33:02,451

Marc Preston: You know, I've acted on camera a number of

870

00:33:02,491 --> 00:33:03,758

Marc Preston: times and I was talking with somebody the

871

00:33:03,778 --> 00:33:03,979

Marc Preston: other day.

872

00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:05,889

Marc Preston: I said I would love to do stuff on camera.

873

00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:07,738

Marc Preston: I'm just so busy doing what I'm doing I

874

00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:09,307

Marc Preston: don't have a chance to come block off three

875

00:33:09,367 --> 00:33:10,835

Marc Preston: hours that I'm a day to get to the casting

876

00:33:10,956 --> 00:33:12,844

Marc Preston: director's office, do the thing, come back,

877

00:33:12,964 --> 00:33:13,065

Marc Preston: or.

878

00:33:13,145 --> 00:33:14,973

Marc Preston: You know, he's a man and this is a pretty

879

00:33:15,013 --> 00:33:15,656

Marc Preston: successful actor.

880

00:33:15,677 --> 00:33:17,165

Marc Preston: He said, dude, everything's, everything's

881

00:33:17,225 --> 00:33:18,793

Marc Preston: being recorded, everything's being self

882

00:33:18,834 --> 00:33:19,356

Marc Preston: taped at home.

883

00:33:19,416 --> 00:33:22,482

Marc Preston: Now I was like another COVID thing that

884

00:33:22,543 --> 00:33:24,827

Marc Preston: maybe worked to the advantage of our

885

00:33:24,908 --> 00:33:25,248

Marc Preston: industry.

886

00:33:26,156 --> 00:33:27,783

Marc Preston: But for people that want to kind of get out

887

00:33:27,803 --> 00:33:29,471

Marc Preston: of that cycle of just auditioning, just

888

00:33:29,611 --> 00:33:33,806

Marc Preston: asking for gigs, what would your advice be?

889

00:33:33,907 --> 00:33:35,973

Marc Preston: As far as creating, you know, as far as

890

00:33:35,993 --> 00:33:37,638

Marc Preston: somebody's got an idea, how would you

891

00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:40,065

Marc Preston: suggest they approach that if they want to

892

00:33:40,185 --> 00:33:41,429

Marc Preston: make something of their own?

893

00:33:42,657 --> 00:33:46,686

Chris Baker: I would say one you have to find people

894

00:33:46,726 --> 00:33:51,039

Chris Baker: that are going to be honest with you and

895

00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,970

Chris Baker: you have to have a really thick skin for

896

00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:56,815

Chris Baker: when you perform for the first time and

897

00:33:56,835 --> 00:33:59,266

Chris Baker: send that to someone, or if you write

898

00:33:59,286 --> 00:34:00,652

Chris Baker: something for the first time or direct

899

00:34:00,692 --> 00:34:01,937

Chris Baker: something for the first time and send it

900

00:34:02,017 --> 00:34:05,946

Chris Baker: off to someone or have a, you know, exhibit

901

00:34:05,986 --> 00:34:06,628

Chris Baker: it to people.

902

00:34:07,911 --> 00:34:10,458

Chris Baker: You have to be willing to know that this is

903

00:34:10,498 --> 00:34:11,901

Chris Baker: a journey and you're going to get better.

904

00:34:12,342 --> 00:34:15,316

Chris Baker: My first script was not good at all and

905

00:34:15,798 --> 00:34:17,662

Chris Baker: even after multiple drafts it was still

906

00:34:17,722 --> 00:34:21,111

Chris Baker: kind of middling to understand the

907

00:34:21,612 --> 00:34:24,179

Chris Baker: structure and how I wanted an audience to

908

00:34:24,299 --> 00:34:26,604

Chris Baker: feel when I was writing the estate.

909

00:34:27,727 --> 00:34:31,396

Chris Baker: That took a few years and to you know, pull

910

00:34:31,416 --> 00:34:34,101

Chris Baker: the rug out from under an audience for that

911

00:34:34,141 --> 00:34:34,822

Chris Baker: twist ending.

912

00:34:35,403 --> 00:34:39,097

Chris Baker: That kind of flips the script and sort of

913

00:34:39,177 --> 00:34:42,129

Chris Baker: informs and answers every question that

914

00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:43,354

Chris Baker: people may have had while they were

915

00:34:43,374 --> 00:34:47,281

Chris Baker: watching the film the whole time.

916

00:34:47,642 --> 00:34:50,066

Chris Baker: That takes a long time to kind of develop.

917

00:34:50,667 --> 00:34:53,158

Chris Baker: And I think that sometimes people have a

918

00:34:53,218 --> 00:34:55,706

Chris Baker: story about their childhood or about their

919

00:34:55,786 --> 00:34:58,715

Chris Baker: life experience that when they write it it

920

00:34:58,735 --> 00:35:00,479

Chris Baker: just sort of comes out fully formed.

921

00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,326

Chris Baker: And then other times people when if they're

922

00:35:03,867 --> 00:35:05,858

Chris Baker: thinking about science fiction or something

923

00:35:05,898 --> 00:35:10,827

Chris Baker: more fantastical, that those that world

924

00:35:10,887 --> 00:35:13,000

Chris Baker: building and stuff all of that takes time.

925

00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,790

Chris Baker: So I think patience is really important too.

926

00:35:16,252 --> 00:35:19,081

Chris Baker: And the other thing is, in independent film,

927

00:35:19,142 --> 00:35:21,851

Chris Baker: the number one thing I can say from all the

928

00:35:22,051 --> 00:35:25,378

Chris Baker: talks that I had with producers for the

929

00:35:25,398 --> 00:35:28,143

Chris Baker: film over the years and you know how many

930

00:35:28,204 --> 00:35:31,662

Chris Baker: calls need to be made or whatever is Make

931

00:35:31,722 --> 00:35:33,088

Chris Baker: sure you have access to money.

932

00:35:36,201 --> 00:35:37,284

Marc Preston: Easier said than done.

933

00:35:37,425 --> 00:35:41,142

Marc Preston: Yeah, yeah, that's well, I mean, of course,

934

00:35:41,162 --> 00:35:42,767

Marc Preston: the other thing I think I've noticed is

935

00:35:43,369 --> 00:35:44,091

Marc Preston: just, I was right.

936

00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,005

Marc Preston: I remember reading the book.

937

00:35:45,326 --> 00:35:47,639

Marc Preston: Actually, listen to the audiobook of save

938

00:35:47,659 --> 00:35:47,900

Marc Preston: the cat.

939

00:35:48,501 --> 00:35:49,043

Marc Preston: Yeah, you have.

940

00:35:49,063 --> 00:35:50,145

Marc Preston: You read the book on screen, right?

941

00:35:50,466 --> 00:35:51,990

Marc Preston: And this idea that you gotta get rid of if

942

00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:53,902

Marc Preston: not, find it.

943

00:35:53,922 --> 00:35:56,047

Marc Preston: So just don't marry yourself so much to an

944

00:35:56,087 --> 00:35:56,227

Marc Preston: idea.

945

00:35:56,247 --> 00:35:57,430

Marc Preston: If it doesn't work, be okay, throwing it

946

00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:58,352

Marc Preston: away, starting over.

947

00:35:58,533 --> 00:36:01,829

Marc Preston: You know, I remember a story the writer was

948

00:36:01,849 --> 00:36:03,563

Marc Preston: talking about that.

949

00:36:04,401 --> 00:36:06,972

Marc Preston: Some people come to him for advice and him

950

00:36:07,173 --> 00:36:07,996

Marc Preston: break down the script.

951

00:36:08,016 --> 00:36:09,401

Marc Preston: Here's all the things that work, here's

952

00:36:09,441 --> 00:36:11,186

Marc Preston: things don't work, and it's gonna involve

953

00:36:11,226 --> 00:36:13,392

Marc Preston: basically tearing that whole script up and

954

00:36:13,762 --> 00:36:15,216

Marc Preston: Starting for and how many people are not

955

00:36:15,236 --> 00:36:15,680

Marc Preston: willing to do that.

956

00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:17,866

Marc Preston: You got to be willing to do that, you know

957

00:36:17,886 --> 00:36:19,771

Marc Preston: if you believe right, but this is the first

958

00:36:19,792 --> 00:36:21,757

Marc Preston: time you've done something as far as the

959

00:36:21,797 --> 00:36:23,783

Marc Preston: creative input and of this scale.

960

00:36:24,385 --> 00:36:24,686

Marc Preston: What is?

961

00:36:24,866 --> 00:36:25,970

Marc Preston: What are a couple of biggest lessons?

962

00:36:26,010 --> 00:36:28,166

Marc Preston: You learn Epiphanies like you thought it

963

00:36:28,226 --> 00:36:29,673

Marc Preston: was gonna be like this, and then you're

964

00:36:29,693 --> 00:36:31,360

Marc Preston: like, oh well, it didn't quite go that way.

965

00:36:31,541 --> 00:36:32,544

Marc Preston: Maybe it's a happy accent.

966

00:36:32,764 --> 00:36:34,951

Marc Preston: What did you learn in this process?

967

00:36:36,161 --> 00:36:38,087

Chris Baker: the best lesson that I learned throughout

968

00:36:38,107 --> 00:36:41,117

Chris Baker: the process, even though I was the sole

969

00:36:41,458 --> 00:36:43,966

Chris Baker: screenwriter and the you know I was the

970

00:36:44,026 --> 00:36:49,221

Chris Baker: main character in the film, is that Film

971

00:36:49,401 --> 00:36:53,068

Chris Baker: itself is the most collaborative art form

972

00:36:53,148 --> 00:36:53,749

Chris Baker: that exists.

973

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Chris Baker: The number of people and the number of

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Chris Baker: different points of view, from the gaffer

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Chris Baker: to the prop master, to all the different

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Chris Baker: one-line parts that we had in the film, to

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Chris Baker: the weather that day, you know which, I

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Chris Baker: guess, is if you believe in God is just you

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Chris Baker: know, all were a part of making a movie,

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