This week on The Story & Craft Podcast, we sit down with actor and writer, Chris Baker. He has made a name for himself on YouTube. Now, he’s beginning to break out with his first feature length film, The Estate. He wrote and starred in this film, which is currently available on Hulu. We talk about making movies, inspiration and how to carve out your own creative space. Chris was a great guest and I’m happy to share his story.
SHOW HIGHLIGHTS
0:00:02 - Interview With Filmmaker Chris Baker
0:04:13 - Web Series Success and Controversial Removal
0:13:38 - LGBTQ+ Representation in Young Adult Entertainment
0:17:51 - Influential Actors and Pleasing Audiences
0:24:44 - Changing Landscape of Film and Streaming
0:31:02 - Streaming's Impact on Movie Viewing
0:38:38 - Resurgence of Adult-Oriented Movies
0:50:05 - Seven Questions
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Chris Baker: The amount of entertainment that I derived
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Marc Preston: Well, welcome back.
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Chris Baker: Just so you know, I am in Mammoth right now
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Chris Baker: For now I would hope that it could live,
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Chris Baker: but that that is the story and that is why
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Chris Baker: because I love comedy and I and I I love
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Chris Baker: I do love my life just a little bit.
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Chris Baker: Yeah, no, no, yeah, no.
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Marc Preston: I think the Oscars used to be more of an
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Marc Preston: Yeah, Ricky Gervais got it right when he
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Marc Preston: I think Ricky Gervais is kind of like we're
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Chris Baker: And it wasn't that fun to have people kind
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Marc Preston: Indeed indeed, yeah Well the question I've
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Marc Preston: I do it for a hobby and fun, but it's great
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Chris Baker: Yes, Originally it was written with myself
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Chris Baker: Stuff that I did was based around the
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Chris Baker: character that I created and the estate was
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Chris Baker: I would not have stood in the way of that
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Chris Baker: But you know, there are no gay movie stars.
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Marc Preston: They are definitely part of the fabric of
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Marc Preston: They're not a cliche, you know.
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Chris Baker: Absolutely there.
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Chris Baker: Right now is I think they already completed
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Chris Baker: That's the first film of its kind and
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Chris Baker: Things are changing and I'm very proud that
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Marc Preston: Did you see the movie Booksmart, bonnie
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Marc Preston: You know that was.
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Marc Preston: Well now, it's just, it's just not even
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Marc Preston: It's just, it's just part of what it you
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Marc Preston: So I think naturally the offshoot is we
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Marc Preston: It's not held up as a cliche.
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Marc Preston: What would you say like in the nineties?
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Chris Baker: And look, I want to.
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Chris Baker: You know, I should make clear that there is
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Chris Baker: I mean that type of bitchy, horny, dumb,
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Chris Baker: Common stereotype of gay men is something
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Marc Preston: So I think that you know, there are
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Marc Preston: Something about them makes sense to you and
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Marc Preston: it's fun and you like to catch every movie
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Chris Baker: Oh my God, so many people.
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Chris Baker: You know movie stars.
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Chris Baker: I worshiped at the altar of movie stars, I
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Chris Baker: You know Brad Pitt and Gwyneth Paltrow and
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Chris Baker: Oh my gosh, I mean you can't.
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Marc Preston: You can't look at Brad Pitt.
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Marc Preston: That's, that's.
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Marc Preston: That's Hollywood, right there in a nutshell.
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Chris Baker: And I, you know, and there's Julia Roberts
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Chris Baker: and Sandra Bullock, and you know, just
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Chris Baker: these people that I feel like were were
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Chris Baker: that descended from the heavens to to
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Chris Baker: change my life.
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Chris Baker: That were that, were that were made to, I
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Chris Baker: would follow.
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Chris Baker: I would watch any movie if there's, and I
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Chris Baker: would always be thankful.
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Chris Baker: And you know, I, I, julianne Moore was so
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Chris Baker: good, I would watch her in anything and
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Chris Baker: just be in awe every time.
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Chris Baker: You know anyone who was ever in Boogie
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Chris Baker: Nights or Magnolia, and, and you know
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Chris Baker: Robert De Niro too, and there are a lot,
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Chris Baker: but the ones that just changed the culture.
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Chris Baker: And also, you know, they made great films,
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Chris Baker: but they also kept their eye on making sure
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Chris Baker: that they made movies that could be
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Chris Baker: commercially successful so that they would
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Chris Baker: please and entertain an audience.
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Chris Baker: That was really, you know, that wasn't just
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Chris Baker: this pursuit of artistic pleasure just
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Chris Baker: solely for themselves.
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Chris Baker: They wanted to do that for audiences.
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Chris Baker: It was what they're calling was.
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Marc Preston: As a writer and of course you did the
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Marc Preston: screenplay are you sort of like the school
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Marc Preston: thought that if they don't get all the
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Marc Preston: words, just quite right?
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Marc Preston: Is it like I really want this to be, you
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Marc Preston: know, kind of locked in, kind of like I'm
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Marc Preston: brain farting right now again?
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Marc Preston: But he wrote the West Wing.
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Marc Preston: Oh, aaron Sorkin, yeah, he's very, all the
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Marc Preston: words are very measured and carry weight
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Marc Preston: and you got.
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Marc Preston: He wants them to be all in there.
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Marc Preston: Are you like more like that or are you more
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Marc Preston: like, hey, I'm into improvisation.
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Chris Baker: I was into both, I think, our.
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Chris Baker: You know the director of the film, james
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Chris Baker: Kappner, who you know I've known for years,
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Chris Baker: who I collaborated with for so long.
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Chris Baker: I think we both went into this this feeling
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Chris Baker: so lucky with the cast that we had.
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Chris Baker: You know, eric Roberts plays my father, and
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Chris Baker: you know Eliza Koop from Happy Endings and
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Chris Baker: on this new show that's on Fox right now
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Chris Baker: called Pivoting, she plays my stepmother,
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Chris Baker: and Greg Finley, who's, you know, been on
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Chris Baker: all of these hunky TV shows for years,
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Chris Baker: played the hitman that we hire, and Heather
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Chris Baker: Madarato, who is, you know, part of the
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Chris Baker: this great indie tradition of filmmaking.
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Chris Baker: We were just so lucky to have these people
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Chris Baker: that it was.
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Chris Baker: We sort of, without even saying anything,
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Chris Baker: left it up to them.
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Chris Baker: So if there were things in the moment that
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Chris Baker: Eliza and I were playing off of each other,
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Chris Baker: by the way, that relationship you all have.
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Marc Preston: I think watching this it's worth watching
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Marc Preston: just to see the relationship with the two
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Marc Preston: of you.
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Marc Preston: Just, it's just.
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Marc Preston: It is a, it's a, it's a well executed hot
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Marc Preston: mess.
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Marc Preston: So we'll say that that is.
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Marc Preston: You're all biased.
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Chris Baker: Yeah, I'm biased, obviously, but the we
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Chris Baker: knew that we had something really special,
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Chris Baker: comedically, when we would have to stop
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Chris Baker: rolling the camera because the director of
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Chris Baker: photography was laughing so hard that he
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Chris Baker: was shaking the camera.
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Chris Baker: You know the fact that that Eliza and I
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Chris Baker: just really we didn't know each other
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Chris Baker: before this and we, you know, we met about
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Chris Baker: the roles.
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Chris Baker: She didn't audition, you know, we were just
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Chris Baker: talking about the role with her and the
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Chris Baker: chemistry that we had within literally 10
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Chris Baker: seconds of her sitting down was just so
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Chris Baker: plainly evident that people were like this
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Chris Baker: is it?
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Chris Baker: The role is hers and and she owned it.
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Chris Baker: So back to your question.
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Chris Baker: I, you know it depended on the person and I
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Chris Baker: think what we wanted was to make sure that
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Chris Baker: the information in each scene came out,
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Chris Baker: because it is structured as a mystery and
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Chris Baker: you want each piece to guide the audience
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Chris Baker: along.
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Chris Baker: But if there's no, we'll say there is.
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Marc Preston: There's a lot of.
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Marc Preston: There's at least a good handful of times
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Marc Preston: I'm like I don't know where this is, though.
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Marc Preston: I didn't know what's going there.
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Marc Preston: And how often do you watch a movie?
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Marc Preston: Now You're like you can just see the
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Marc Preston: trailer and go.
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Marc Preston: I know basically what's going to happen in
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Marc Preston: this movie.
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Marc Preston: You know a lot of romantic comedies like
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Marc Preston: this.
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Marc Preston: If somebody watches this, they say, oh, I
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Marc Preston: know where this is going.
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Marc Preston: They're wrong.
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Marc Preston: You know which is kind of fun.
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Marc Preston: You know to to be taken on, that, like I
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Marc Preston: said at the outset, you're kind of going to
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Marc Preston: ride in this movie.
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Chris Baker: So not easy to do, you know.
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Chris Baker: I think that we we really made sure and and
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Chris Baker: it took, it took a while to kind of it took
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Chris Baker: a while to find that magic where we were
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Chris Baker: not kind of like showing so much exposition
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Chris Baker: and and you know, detailing so much for,
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Chris Baker: for for the audience, that we were just
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Chris Baker: kind of, you know, talking at them rather
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Chris Baker: than making them feel where this story was
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Chris Baker: going and feel where the actors and the
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Chris Baker: characters would show on screen that they
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Chris Baker: had to make these decisions, that they had
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Chris Baker: to go to those places.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, you know, anytime Eric Roberts shows
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Marc Preston: up in a movie, it's just like you know it's
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Marc Preston: going to get good in a moment, not that it
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Marc Preston: wasn't good already, it's just.
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Marc Preston: You know, eric Roberts brings kind of his
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Marc Preston: own kind of special sauce to things.
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Marc Preston: You know, which was you know and I'm so.
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Marc Preston: There are things I want to discuss like but
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Marc Preston: if I do it'll be a spoiler.
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Marc Preston: Don't want to do that.
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Marc Preston: But when you, as far as the inspiration for
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Marc Preston: this was there, you talked about the like
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Marc Preston: cruel intentions and things like that had,
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Marc Preston: had you sat down and thought I want to make
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Marc Preston: a movie in that tone, in that vibe, or were
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Marc Preston: you just kind of like blank slate?
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Marc Preston: Or what inspired you to kind of sit down in
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Marc Preston: front of your editor or your your word
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Marc Preston: processor and start typing this up?
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Chris Baker: I had.
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Chris Baker: That's a good question.
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Chris Baker: The best way I can answer it is this I
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Chris Baker: thought that something was lost in movies
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Chris Baker: and I wanted to create a movie that I wish
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Chris Baker: existed and it was.
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Chris Baker: It would be something that was campy and
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Chris Baker: fun, but kind of dirty and sexy and a
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Chris Baker: little perverted and naughty and violent
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Chris Baker: and all of these sort of things that I felt
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Chris Baker: like really weren't a part of movies very
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Chris Baker: often anymore.
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Chris Baker: And the best way that I thought that could
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Chris Baker: make these characters do all of these
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Chris Baker: horrible things is money, because when you
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Chris Baker: look at our society today, people are less
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Chris Baker: and less religious, people are more
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Chris Baker: politically, you know, identified, but
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Chris Baker: after my experience with the web series, I
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Chris Baker: definitely didn't want to touch anything
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Chris Baker: political.
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Marc Preston: After after that, it's probably like you're
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Marc Preston: staying not even in the same zip code of
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Marc Preston: anything.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, yeah.
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Chris Baker: So so the thing that people seem to worship,
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Chris Baker: no matter who they are, no matter where
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Chris Baker: they're from, no matter what their gender
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Chris Baker: identity is, no matter what their sexuality
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Chris Baker: is, no matter what their race is, our
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Chris Baker: classes is money White people, black people,
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Chris Baker: rich people, poor people.
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Marc Preston: Okay, Well, you also touched on the whole
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Marc Preston: status thing.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, again, it's not a family movie, but I
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Marc Preston: mean, come on, this is a pure like date
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Marc Preston: night bottle of wine, just kick back.
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Marc Preston: And I mean it's on Hulu, it's easily
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Marc Preston: accessible, of course.
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Marc Preston: But when you were you coming, did you come
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Marc Preston: from a family that was creatively inclined,
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Marc Preston: or are you kind of the first one in the
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Marc Preston: family to kind of jump into this pool?
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Chris Baker: The very, very first one.
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Chris Baker: Yeah, I was a little good student and I
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Chris Baker: worked really hard in school and I ended up
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Chris Baker: going to great college and I was, but I was
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Chris Baker: studying film while I was there and so I
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Chris Baker: think it was always a foregone conclusion
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Chris Baker: that I would be doing this.
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Chris Baker: But it it took these different turns, but
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Chris Baker: my family was always very appreciative of
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Chris Baker: the arts and loved loved, so you had the
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Chris Baker: support.
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Marc Preston: In other words, this was not like what are
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Marc Preston: you doing?
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Marc Preston: Yeah, choose a more sensible gig.
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Marc Preston: What are you doing?
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Marc Preston: They were, they were getting behind you.
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Chris Baker: No, yeah, To know me is to know that there
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Chris Baker: was no other path for me.
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Chris Baker: So I think my parents and my older sister,
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Chris Baker: they looked at me and they're like this is
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Chris Baker: it?
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Chris Baker: He's not going to flip the script and go to
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Chris Baker: dental school, it's just not in the cards.
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Chris Baker: So if he's going to do this, then we just
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Chris Baker: really wish him the best.
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Chris Baker: They had no idea how to help me and I moved
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Chris Baker: here with no connections or to LA with no
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Chris Baker: like anything in my wheelhouse that could
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Chris Baker: help me.
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Marc Preston: Where are you from originally, though?
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Chris Baker: New York City.
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Marc Preston: Oh, okay, Well, that's still.
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Marc Preston: You're not coming from Topeka Kansas.
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Chris Baker: No, no, no, it was a long long stage and
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Chris Baker: sort of musical theater type people, which
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Chris Baker: was not my bag, Even though I'm gay, I
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Chris Baker: don't know why.
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Chris Baker: Musical theater just I can appreciate it,
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Chris Baker: but it's not something that you know just
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Chris Baker: works for me, it was always just movies.
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Chris Baker: So the idea that I would start from scratch
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Chris Baker: happened with my first opportunity, which
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Chris Baker: was reading scripts and watching films that
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Chris Baker: didn't have distribution yet, as an intern
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Chris Baker: for the Weinstein Company, which was quite
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Chris Baker: an eye-opening experience.
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Marc Preston: Oh, I'm sure, at many, many levels yeah.
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Chris Baker: Yeah, and I did retail for years and in
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Chris Baker: that in of itself was sort of a performance
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Chris Baker: for a first person.
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Marc Preston: That's my 16-year-old daughter.
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Marc Preston: Whenever I go to eat, she's seems enamored
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Marc Preston: by working at a restaurant.
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Marc Preston: I'm like you know, do what you want.
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Marc Preston: I think everyone should work in the service
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Marc Preston: industry or retail, at least once you know
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Marc Preston: 100%.
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Marc Preston: What do you think about the transition to
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Marc Preston: people watching more at home?
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Marc Preston: Naturally over the last couple of years
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Marc Preston: that's.
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Marc Preston: I mean, that's got to be where it's at, but
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Marc Preston: used to be.
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Marc Preston: If you were a TV actor.
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Marc Preston: You're a TV actor.
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Marc Preston: You're not crossing over in the film.
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Marc Preston: Back in the area you're talking about,
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Marc Preston: you'd rarely see that happen.
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Marc Preston: Now nobody cares.
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Marc Preston: You're going film TV and the blur is the
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Marc Preston: lines of what TV is anymore.
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Marc Preston: What do you think about that kind of change
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Marc Preston: and things being consumable at home without
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Marc Preston: having to go to the theater?
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Marc Preston: Or do you miss the big releases on a big
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Marc Preston: screen?
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Chris Baker: It's a complicated question.
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Chris Baker: I'm afraid it has a complicated answer.
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Chris Baker: I think change like this for this industry
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Chris Baker: is neither good nor bad.
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Chris Baker: It just is.
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Chris Baker: The most important thing is that people are
747
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Chris Baker: watching.
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Chris Baker: I do think that movies suffered and because
749
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Chris Baker: people, in my opinion, were burned over and
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Chris Baker: over and over and over again, paying single
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Chris Baker: tickets to watch a film, either in the
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Chris Baker: theater or on demand.
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Marc Preston: It's kind of a sell-out.
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Marc Preston: It's kind of good You're buying CDs back in
755
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Marc Preston: the day, spending $25 on a CD.
756
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Marc Preston: Only one song is good.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, that feeling.
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Chris Baker: Yeah absolutely.
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Chris Baker: In my opinion, it wasn't just the ease and
760
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Chris Baker: the streaming giants, the tech giants
761
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Chris Baker: trying to squeeze out the theatrical
762
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Chris Baker: experience.
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Chris Baker: I also think that the public soured on the
764
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Chris Baker: movies because the movies were not as
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Chris Baker: entertaining as they were before, and the
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Chris Baker: movies that are really there with the huge
767
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Chris Baker: budgets, that are there to entertain solely,
768
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Chris Baker: are the ones that are doing the best now.
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Marc Preston: Would you say it's more of the safe choices
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Marc Preston: they're taking the safe way out.
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Chris Baker: Yes, and the family films where it's a
772
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Chris Baker: whole outing for the whole family, that
773
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Chris Baker: makes a lot of sense, the four quadrant
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Chris Baker: ones.
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Chris Baker: But the movies that had smaller audiences,
776
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Chris Baker: even before COVID, were finding their
777
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Chris Baker: audiences when they arrived on a streamer,
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Chris Baker: not when they were released day in date on
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Chris Baker: demand in theaters or once they won awards.
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Chris Baker: It was always when they were on a streamer
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Chris Baker: people were scrolling through.
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Marc Preston: So you think kind of the COVID maybe
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Marc Preston: changed, kind of accelerated something that
784
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Marc Preston: was already in play, do you think?
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Chris Baker: people were moving that direction anyway.
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Chris Baker: Yes, there's no doubt, and I also think
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Chris Baker: that if you're going to have everything
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Chris Baker: available for everyone forever, there is a
789
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Chris Baker: lot of older stuff that many people haven't
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Chris Baker: seen.
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Chris Baker: Still that can be better than what's
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Chris Baker: currently available now.
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Chris Baker: So when you're at a theater, you see the
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Chris Baker: marquee and they're like five names, and so
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Chris Baker: more or less in that area where the theater
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Chris Baker: is serving, the public is sort of choosing
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Chris Baker: between those five movies.
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Chris Baker: When you're on your couch, you have a
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Chris Baker: hundred different apps with thousands of
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Chris Baker: movies and thousands of TV shows to choose
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Chris Baker: from, not to mention your phone, which has
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Chris Baker: multiple social media networks and constant
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Chris Baker: video content as well.
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Chris Baker: So if someone is actually getting your
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Chris Baker: attention enough for you to click on the
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Chris Baker: thing and then you're actually watching it
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Chris Baker: long enough, all the way through in one
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Chris Baker: sitting, I mean that's a miracle in and of
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Chris Baker: itself.
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Chris Baker: It really is.
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Chris Baker: So I prefer still to this day if a movie is
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Chris Baker: worth my time.
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Chris Baker: Although it's always a gamble, let's be
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Chris Baker: honest.
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Chris Baker: If you're going to take a chance on a film,
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Chris Baker: I would rather have the phone away, I would
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Chris Baker: rather have the popcorn, and I'd either go
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Chris Baker: alone or with some friends or with my
819
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Chris Baker: family or something, and sit and watch it
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Chris Baker: and be enveloped by the screen and kind of
821
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Chris Baker: have it wash over you and sort of be
822
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Chris Baker: transported.
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Marc Preston: It's a strangely communal kind of a thing.
824
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Marc Preston: I just it's seeing movies in a theater and
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Marc Preston: I think it's Spielberg said something that
826
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Marc Preston: we're entering an era where the only movies
827
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Marc Preston: that will show up in theaters are going to
828
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Marc Preston: be the big blockbusters, are going to be
829
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Marc Preston: hanging out in theaters for a long time.
830
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Marc Preston: Now it's like something's in the theater.
831
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Marc Preston: I'm like I got to see that.
832
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Marc Preston: Oh, it's already out of the theater.
833
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Marc Preston: But I think streaming for me it's.
834
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Marc Preston: I like being able to find those gyms, it's
835
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Marc Preston: like things that I never would have found
836
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Marc Preston: otherwise and I think it's almost gets into
837
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Marc Preston: not a niche necessarily, but things that
838
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Marc Preston: are like I know I can watch this and I'll
839
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Marc Preston: really like it, and probably my kids may or
840
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Marc Preston: may not, or it's a little bit more of a
841
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Marc Preston: personal kind of a relationship because you
842
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Marc Preston: can access, like you said, thousands of
843
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Marc Preston: movies.
844
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Marc Preston: So if you can't find something you like,
845
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Marc Preston: maybe go make it.
846
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Marc Preston: But that's kind of the thing also, that you
847
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Marc Preston: think that what you did, which I mean again
848
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Marc Preston: congratulations, because getting writing
849
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Marc Preston: something, getting it, getting all those
850
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Marc Preston: little pieces to fall into place, to get
851
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Marc Preston: something bought, to get something out
852
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Marc Preston: there is.
853
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Marc Preston: It's not an easy task, but you represent.
854
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Marc Preston: To me, it represents what?
855
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Marc Preston: I hope more people will glean from it.
856
00:32:33,028 --> 00:32:34,074
Marc Preston: If something's not out there, you don't
857
00:32:34,094 --> 00:32:36,139
Marc Preston: think you're getting cast or you know,
858
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Marc Preston: whatever God there creates something on
859
00:32:39,105 --> 00:32:40,749
Marc Preston: your own, and that's that.
860
00:32:41,736 --> 00:32:43,260
Marc Preston: That's easier said than done, I know, as
861
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:44,946
Marc Preston: I'm sure you know better than anybody, but
862
00:32:46,256 --> 00:32:46,537
Marc Preston: do you?
863
00:32:47,361 --> 00:32:49,089
Marc Preston: By the way, I'm sorry, my we have a little
864
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Marc Preston: audience member back here, my golden
865
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Marc Preston: retriever.
866
00:32:53,661 --> 00:32:56,206
Marc Preston: Oh, he's a sweetheart, yeah, but what do
867
00:32:56,226 --> 00:32:58,189
Marc Preston: you think about the idea of for those who
868
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Marc Preston: are kind of in that cycle?
869
00:33:00,603 --> 00:33:02,451
Marc Preston: You know, I've acted on camera a number of
870
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Marc Preston: times and I was talking with somebody the
871
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Marc Preston: other day.
872
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:05,889
Marc Preston: I said I would love to do stuff on camera.
873
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:07,738
Marc Preston: I'm just so busy doing what I'm doing I
874
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Marc Preston: don't have a chance to come block off three
875
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Marc Preston: hours that I'm a day to get to the casting
876
00:33:10,956 --> 00:33:12,844
Marc Preston: director's office, do the thing, come back,
877
00:33:12,964 --> 00:33:13,065
Marc Preston: or.
878
00:33:13,145 --> 00:33:14,973
Marc Preston: You know, he's a man and this is a pretty
879
00:33:15,013 --> 00:33:15,656
Marc Preston: successful actor.
880
00:33:15,677 --> 00:33:17,165
Marc Preston: He said, dude, everything's, everything's
881
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Marc Preston: being recorded, everything's being self
882
00:33:18,834 --> 00:33:19,356
Marc Preston: taped at home.
883
00:33:19,416 --> 00:33:22,482
Marc Preston: Now I was like another COVID thing that
884
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Marc Preston: maybe worked to the advantage of our
885
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Marc Preston: industry.
886
00:33:26,156 --> 00:33:27,783
Marc Preston: But for people that want to kind of get out
887
00:33:27,803 --> 00:33:29,471
Marc Preston: of that cycle of just auditioning, just
888
00:33:29,611 --> 00:33:33,806
Marc Preston: asking for gigs, what would your advice be?
889
00:33:33,907 --> 00:33:35,973
Marc Preston: As far as creating, you know, as far as
890
00:33:35,993 --> 00:33:37,638
Marc Preston: somebody's got an idea, how would you
891
00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:40,065
Marc Preston: suggest they approach that if they want to
892
00:33:40,185 --> 00:33:41,429
Marc Preston: make something of their own?
893
00:33:42,657 --> 00:33:46,686
Chris Baker: I would say one you have to find people
894
00:33:46,726 --> 00:33:51,039
Chris Baker: that are going to be honest with you and
895
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,970
Chris Baker: you have to have a really thick skin for
896
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:56,815
Chris Baker: when you perform for the first time and
897
00:33:56,835 --> 00:33:59,266
Chris Baker: send that to someone, or if you write
898
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Chris Baker: something for the first time or direct
899
00:34:00,692 --> 00:34:01,937
Chris Baker: something for the first time and send it
900
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Chris Baker: off to someone or have a, you know, exhibit
901
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Chris Baker: it to people.
902
00:34:07,911 --> 00:34:10,458
Chris Baker: You have to be willing to know that this is
903
00:34:10,498 --> 00:34:11,901
Chris Baker: a journey and you're going to get better.
904
00:34:12,342 --> 00:34:15,316
Chris Baker: My first script was not good at all and
905
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Chris Baker: even after multiple drafts it was still
906
00:34:17,722 --> 00:34:21,111
Chris Baker: kind of middling to understand the
907
00:34:21,612 --> 00:34:24,179
Chris Baker: structure and how I wanted an audience to
908
00:34:24,299 --> 00:34:26,604
Chris Baker: feel when I was writing the estate.
909
00:34:27,727 --> 00:34:31,396
Chris Baker: That took a few years and to you know, pull
910
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Chris Baker: the rug out from under an audience for that
911
00:34:34,141 --> 00:34:34,822
Chris Baker: twist ending.
912
00:34:35,403 --> 00:34:39,097
Chris Baker: That kind of flips the script and sort of
913
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Chris Baker: informs and answers every question that
914
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Chris Baker: people may have had while they were
915
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Chris Baker: watching the film the whole time.
916
00:34:47,642 --> 00:34:50,066
Chris Baker: That takes a long time to kind of develop.
917
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Chris Baker: And I think that sometimes people have a
918
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Chris Baker: story about their childhood or about their
919
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Chris Baker: life experience that when they write it it
920
00:34:58,735 --> 00:35:00,479
Chris Baker: just sort of comes out fully formed.
921
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Chris Baker: And then other times people when if they're
922
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Chris Baker: thinking about science fiction or something
923
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Chris Baker: more fantastical, that those that world
924
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Chris Baker: building and stuff all of that takes time.
925
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Chris Baker: So I think patience is really important too.
926
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Chris Baker: And the other thing is, in independent film,
927
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Chris Baker: the number one thing I can say from all the
928
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Chris Baker: talks that I had with producers for the
929
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Chris Baker: film over the years and you know how many
930
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Chris Baker: calls need to be made or whatever is Make
931
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Chris Baker: sure you have access to money.
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Marc Preston: Easier said than done.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, yeah, that's well, I mean, of course,
934
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Marc Preston: the other thing I think I've noticed is
935
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Marc Preston: just, I was right.
936
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Marc Preston: I remember reading the book.
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Marc Preston: Actually, listen to the audiobook of save
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Marc Preston: the cat.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, you have.
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Marc Preston: You read the book on screen, right?
941
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Marc Preston: And this idea that you gotta get rid of if
942
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Marc Preston: not, find it.
943
00:35:53,922 --> 00:35:56,047
Marc Preston: So just don't marry yourself so much to an
944
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Marc Preston: idea.
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Marc Preston: If it doesn't work, be okay, throwing it
946
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Marc Preston: away, starting over.
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Marc Preston: You know, I remember a story the writer was
948
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Marc Preston: talking about that.
949
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Marc Preston: Some people come to him for advice and him
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Marc Preston: break down the script.
951
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Marc Preston: Here's all the things that work, here's
952
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Marc Preston: things don't work, and it's gonna involve
953
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Marc Preston: basically tearing that whole script up and
954
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Marc Preston: Starting for and how many people are not
955
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Marc Preston: willing to do that.
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Marc Preston: You got to be willing to do that, you know
957
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Marc Preston: if you believe right, but this is the first
958
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Marc Preston: time you've done something as far as the
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Marc Preston: creative input and of this scale.
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Marc Preston: What is?
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Marc Preston: What are a couple of biggest lessons?
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Marc Preston: You learn Epiphanies like you thought it
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Marc Preston: was gonna be like this, and then you're
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Marc Preston: like, oh well, it didn't quite go that way.
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Marc Preston: Maybe it's a happy accent.
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Marc Preston: What did you learn in this process?
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Chris Baker: the best lesson that I learned throughout
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Chris Baker: the process, even though I was the sole
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Chris Baker: screenwriter and the you know I was the
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Chris Baker: main character in the film, is that Film
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Chris Baker: itself is the most collaborative art form
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Chris Baker: that exists.
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Chris Baker: The number of people and the number of
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Chris Baker: different points of view, from the gaffer
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Chris Baker: to the prop master, to all the different
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Chris Baker: one-line parts that we had in the film, to
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Chris Baker: the weather that day, you know which, I
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00:37:12,286 --> 00:37:14,519
Chris Baker: guess, is if you believe in God is just you
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Chris Baker: know, all were a part of making a movie,
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Chris Baker: the movie that it ends up being, and no
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Chris Baker: matter how good Intentioned or how
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Chris Baker: important one person's voice or one
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Chris Baker: person's point of view is, it has to be a
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Chris Baker: collaboration and I think everyone has to
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Chris Baker: have the same goal.
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Chris Baker: So everyone on set and in the editing room
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Chris Baker: and and Everyone that worked on this film
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00:37:45,467 --> 00:37:47,272
Chris Baker: and worked really hard for not a lot of
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00:37:47,312 --> 00:37:50,406
Chris Baker: money Everyone had the goal of entertaining
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Chris Baker: an audience and creating this neon, soaked,
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Chris Baker: naughty kind of truly you know Fairy tale
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Chris Baker: nightmare.
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Marc Preston: I love that neon soaked thing, that's so.
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Marc Preston: It's like if I can encapsulate the 80s for
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Marc Preston: my kids.
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Marc Preston: It's so funny they, you know, you know that
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Marc Preston: whole, I Don't know, but neon soaked, I
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00:38:14,967 --> 00:38:15,830
Marc Preston: gotta remember that one.
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Marc Preston: But yeah, you know, like we're watching
00:38:18,248 --> 00:38:22,303
Marc Preston: stranger things, the music, the vibe it was,
00:38:22,524 --> 00:38:24,170
Marc Preston: is a lot more like you said movies,
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,226
Marc Preston: comedians, things like that.
00:38:26,246 --> 00:38:26,788
Marc Preston: That could happen.
00:38:26,829 --> 00:38:28,978
Marc Preston: Then, ironically, you couldn't bring a lot
00:38:28,998 --> 00:38:29,500
Marc Preston: of that back now.
00:38:29,621 --> 00:38:31,255
Marc Preston: That's why this is, this is kind of a, this
00:38:31,315 --> 00:38:31,860
Marc Preston: is a fun ride.
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,145
Marc Preston: That's why I think this does bring forward
00:38:34,266 --> 00:38:36,692
Marc Preston: that kind of thing that we don't see too
00:38:36,732 --> 00:38:37,233
Marc Preston: much anymore.
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:38,222
Marc Preston: Hopefully we'll see it more.
00:38:38,262 --> 00:38:40,047
Marc Preston: I mean, I'd like to see kind of resurgence
00:38:40,087 --> 00:38:42,031
Marc Preston: of movies that are quite frankly made for
00:38:42,312 --> 00:38:45,261
Marc Preston: adults, you know yes, absolutely.
00:38:45,321 --> 00:38:46,364
Chris Baker: I think that they're.
00:38:46,384 --> 00:38:49,231
Chris Baker: I I choose to believe that there's a real
00:38:49,271 --> 00:38:49,853
Chris Baker: hunger for it.
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:53,155
Chris Baker: There are a lot of TV shows that are, you
00:38:53,175 --> 00:38:57,066
Chris Baker: know, a longer form Movie, honestly, but
00:38:57,326 --> 00:38:59,611
Chris Baker: it's like a 10 hour movie and a lot of
00:38:59,631 --> 00:39:00,853
Chris Baker: people don't have that much time.
00:39:01,374 --> 00:39:04,284
Chris Baker: Or, you know, when you're making a 10 hour
00:39:04,585 --> 00:39:07,010
Chris Baker: film, that's that's a 10-part mini series
00:39:07,090 --> 00:39:09,174
Chris Baker: instead of a 90 minute feature.
00:39:10,020 --> 00:39:12,287
Chris Baker: Sometimes to fill all of that time you have
00:39:12,307 --> 00:39:15,245
Chris Baker: to add in back store Side characters and
00:39:15,285 --> 00:39:16,991
Chris Baker: they're sort of storylines that sometimes
00:39:17,011 --> 00:39:19,037
Chris Baker: don't work as well as the main storyline.
00:39:19,098 --> 00:39:22,548
Chris Baker: And you know, building out a world doesn't
00:39:22,588 --> 00:39:27,126
Chris Baker: necessarily have to be maximalist, to to to
00:39:27,327 --> 00:39:29,212
Chris Baker: in terms of time and volume.
00:39:29,433 --> 00:39:31,559
Chris Baker: Sometimes it is about really zeroing in and
00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:35,483
Chris Baker: Making something that is a sub two-hour
00:39:35,543 --> 00:39:37,785
Chris Baker: experience for people that they can really
00:39:37,845 --> 00:39:39,146
Chris Baker: enjoy and get in and get out.
00:39:47,279 --> 00:39:48,261
Marc Preston: Was this something you would do?
00:39:48,462 --> 00:39:50,326
Marc Preston: You're wanting to do again writing a movie,
00:39:50,406 --> 00:39:51,790
Marc Preston: acting it, or you know it's a lot of work.
00:39:52,131 --> 00:39:53,654
Marc Preston: You know, are you kind of more wanting to
00:39:53,674 --> 00:39:55,879
Marc Preston: go through just being in someone else's
00:39:55,980 --> 00:39:56,541
Marc Preston: project?
00:39:57,022 --> 00:39:59,755
Marc Preston: If you had a Good situation like I, want my
00:39:59,836 --> 00:40:02,793
Marc Preston: next project to be this, this Kind of
00:40:02,833 --> 00:40:04,278
Marc Preston: project, this kind of thing, this kind of
00:40:04,318 --> 00:40:06,306
Marc Preston: director, you know, or co-stars, what, what?
00:40:06,527 --> 00:40:07,310
Marc Preston: How would you envision that?
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Chris Baker: Well, my next script is already finished.
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,192
Chris Baker: I actually wrote it with a Another writer
00:40:15,292 --> 00:40:17,216
Chris Baker: who's so incredibly hilarious.
00:40:17,236 --> 00:40:20,902
Chris Baker: His name is Jared Groty and it is a wedding
00:40:20,983 --> 00:40:24,396
Chris Baker: themed rom-com and it is.
00:40:25,138 --> 00:40:28,517
Chris Baker: You know, it's definitely not as dark as as
00:40:28,557 --> 00:40:30,442
Chris Baker: the estate, but it has there.
00:40:30,502 --> 00:40:32,909
Chris Baker: It has a more, I think, more commercial
00:40:32,969 --> 00:40:35,515
Chris Baker: appeal, but also still very much for adults,
00:40:35,635 --> 00:40:39,202
Chris Baker: and it has elements of all of my favorite
00:40:39,482 --> 00:40:41,555
Chris Baker: romantic comedies growing up and also
00:40:41,836 --> 00:40:44,815
Chris Baker: movies like American Pie and the birdcage
00:40:44,875 --> 00:40:49,492
Chris Baker: and just these films that just, also, like
00:40:49,933 --> 00:40:51,816
Chris Baker: many others, really influenced me, and so
00:40:51,977 --> 00:40:53,580
Chris Baker: it was kind of put it in the blender and
00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:55,864
Chris Baker: that's what this romantic comedy is, and
00:40:57,011 --> 00:40:58,214
Chris Baker: it's in development right now.
00:40:59,016 --> 00:41:00,520
Chris Baker: I'm sure you know pretty well that in
00:41:00,561 --> 00:41:03,356
Chris Baker: development it can mean a whole range of
00:41:03,416 --> 00:41:05,180
Chris Baker: things, so we're so we can change it,
00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:09,216
Chris Baker: moments notice, yeah absolutely so I'm.
00:41:09,457 --> 00:41:14,392
Chris Baker: I'm of the headspace, that I Would love to
00:41:14,492 --> 00:41:16,216
Chris Baker: see that project get made next.
00:41:16,576 --> 00:41:18,019
Chris Baker: I have other projects as well that I'm
00:41:18,059 --> 00:41:20,451
Chris Baker: working on, but that is the thing that's
00:41:20,732 --> 00:41:23,462
Chris Baker: furthest along and that I'm so so proud of,
00:41:23,522 --> 00:41:25,670
Chris Baker: and I and I just as far as like a director,
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:26,694
Chris Baker: who would you love to work with?
00:41:26,714 --> 00:41:29,163
Marc Preston: who would you love to direct you based on
00:41:29,183 --> 00:41:30,067
Marc Preston: the movies you've seen?
00:41:30,127 --> 00:41:31,732
Marc Preston: And if you'd, I you know A script came in
00:41:31,772 --> 00:41:33,155
Marc Preston: and said, hey, so, and so is attached as
00:41:33,196 --> 00:41:33,717
Marc Preston: the director.
00:41:33,997 --> 00:41:34,599
Chris Baker: David Fincher.
00:41:34,699 --> 00:41:36,653
Chris Baker: Oh, really oh look at you go yeah, that's
00:41:36,693 --> 00:41:37,697
Chris Baker: so you're, you're good.
00:41:37,717 --> 00:41:39,706
Marc Preston: That is very much down the middle of what
00:41:39,726 --> 00:41:40,530
Marc Preston: we're talking about here.
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:43,519
Chris Baker: Yeah, my number one of all time.
00:41:44,261 --> 00:41:45,866
Chris Baker: Yeah, I love, of course, daisy.
00:41:45,986 --> 00:41:46,909
Chris Baker: Obviously as well.
00:41:47,049 --> 00:41:49,165
Chris Baker: I love I, you know, I love PTA, I love
00:41:49,185 --> 00:41:51,053
Chris Baker: Tarantino, I love.
00:41:51,093 --> 00:41:52,415
Marc Preston: I was gonna ask you about Quentin Tarantino,
00:41:52,435 --> 00:41:53,858
Marc Preston: because something about like his
00:41:53,899 --> 00:41:55,502
Marc Preston: sensibility and what he does seems like it
00:41:55,522 --> 00:41:56,304
Marc Preston: would resonate with you.
00:41:56,671 --> 00:41:57,272
Chris Baker: Absolutely.
00:41:57,613 --> 00:41:59,878
Chris Baker: And you know there are people like Adrian
00:41:59,918 --> 00:42:02,183
Chris Baker: Lyne and Brian De Palma who you know, I
00:42:02,243 --> 00:42:06,037
Chris Baker: know that Decades ago had such a you know
00:42:06,057 --> 00:42:10,152
Chris Baker: with where they're Paul Verhoeven, you know.
00:42:10,172 --> 00:42:12,619
Chris Baker: But I think there's something about David
00:42:12,659 --> 00:42:17,016
Chris Baker: Fincher that the first film of his that I
00:42:17,116 --> 00:42:18,621
Chris Baker: saw, I think, was the game.
00:42:19,423 --> 00:42:22,833
Chris Baker: And then I was desperate, desperate, to see
00:42:22,893 --> 00:42:25,118
Chris Baker: Fight Club when it was in theaters, but I
00:42:25,178 --> 00:42:27,122
Chris Baker: was way too young and my parents just
00:42:27,162 --> 00:42:27,964
Chris Baker: plainly refused.
00:42:28,471 --> 00:42:33,175
Marc Preston: But I went to Sam you talk about the game,
00:42:33,195 --> 00:42:35,281
Marc Preston: the Michael Douglas movie with the game.
00:42:36,051 --> 00:42:37,181
Chris Baker: Douglas and Sean Penn.
00:42:37,564 --> 00:42:38,190
Marc Preston: Oh, that was great.
00:42:39,613 --> 00:42:41,096
Chris Baker: And just a really, really great cast and
00:42:41,536 --> 00:42:44,121
Chris Baker: there's no one, that I think there's no
00:42:44,161 --> 00:42:45,043
Chris Baker: American filmmaker.
00:42:45,103 --> 00:42:49,533
Chris Baker: That I think it encapsulates what film is
00:42:49,854 --> 00:42:54,623
Chris Baker: and what, what a person can be truthful to
00:42:54,783 --> 00:42:57,127
Chris Baker: about themselves and with the world and how
00:42:57,168 --> 00:42:58,450
Chris Baker: they reckon with the modern world.
00:42:59,233 --> 00:43:03,799
Chris Baker: I think that His films a gone girl is was
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,347
Chris Baker: hugely influential on me when I was, when I
00:43:06,387 --> 00:43:09,036
Chris Baker: was making, you know, the estates and how I
00:43:09,076 --> 00:43:11,373
Chris Baker: thought about how terrible characters can
00:43:11,433 --> 00:43:13,453
Chris Baker: treat each other and how they can
00:43:13,493 --> 00:43:15,099
Chris Baker: manipulate each other and the plans that
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:16,725
Chris Baker: they can have to sort of thwart people.
00:43:16,765 --> 00:43:18,932
Chris Baker: But a lot of it is out of love they're, you
00:43:18,952 --> 00:43:21,599
Chris Baker: know, seven is just, you know, just a
00:43:21,779 --> 00:43:25,293
Chris Baker: perfectly encapsulated, tight film.
00:43:25,653 --> 00:43:29,019
Chris Baker: You know I fight club literally taught, all
00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:30,983
Chris Baker: you know, an entire generation of
00:43:31,023 --> 00:43:34,675
Chris Baker: Millennial men how to Go from being boys to
00:43:34,715 --> 00:43:37,023
Chris Baker: men, and I'm seeing Brad Pitt show up a
00:43:37,063 --> 00:43:38,147
Chris Baker: couple times in the movies You're
00:43:38,167 --> 00:43:41,177
Chris Baker: mentioning here yeah, yes, you know it's.
00:43:41,297 --> 00:43:43,284
Marc Preston: You know it's nice to see somebody at his
00:43:43,424 --> 00:43:45,110
Marc Preston: level that's got the goods.
00:43:45,371 --> 00:43:46,877
Marc Preston: You know it's not just, you know, mr.
00:43:47,198 --> 00:43:48,966
Marc Preston: You know, handsome Hollywood star.
00:43:49,106 --> 00:43:50,050
Marc Preston: Yeah, he's got the stuff.
00:43:50,633 --> 00:43:52,460
Chris Baker: You know, he brings it everything when I,
00:43:52,541 --> 00:43:55,152
Chris Baker: when I read things about him, you know, I
00:43:55,212 --> 00:43:57,822
Chris Baker: think at Astro up before, once upon a time
00:43:57,862 --> 00:43:58,304
Chris Baker: in Hollywood.
00:43:58,344 --> 00:44:00,152
Chris Baker: At Astro was the last movie, I think, that
00:44:00,172 --> 00:44:03,166
Chris Baker: he produced that was released in theaters.
00:44:03,568 --> 00:44:08,436
Chris Baker: He just Really, really, really loves movies
00:44:09,097 --> 00:44:10,600
Chris Baker: and he respects the art form.
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,045
Chris Baker: And you know, de Niro is the same, and that
00:44:14,365 --> 00:44:17,514
Chris Baker: those people, they're very few of those
00:44:17,554 --> 00:44:17,855
Chris Baker: people.
00:44:18,015 --> 00:44:19,318
Chris Baker: I think Russell Crowe is one of them, I
00:44:19,358 --> 00:44:20,862
Chris Baker: think Harrison Ford was one of them for
00:44:20,902 --> 00:44:23,154
Chris Baker: like 50 years.
00:44:23,294 --> 00:44:25,522
Chris Baker: You know, just just hitting it out of the
00:44:25,562 --> 00:44:27,951
Chris Baker: park over and over and over again, the
00:44:27,991 --> 00:44:29,757
Chris Baker: fugitive is one of my favorite films of all
00:44:29,777 --> 00:44:30,119
Chris Baker: time.
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:32,006
Chris Baker: And you know I could go on and on and on
00:44:32,026 --> 00:44:32,788
Chris Baker: about Harrison Ford.
00:44:32,829 --> 00:44:36,520
Chris Baker: My dog is named Dr Richard Kimball, soi
00:44:38,251 --> 00:44:39,635
Chris Baker: Think that there are, you know, there are
00:44:39,675 --> 00:44:43,814
Chris Baker: these, there, just these people that I
00:44:43,854 --> 00:44:45,138
Chris Baker: would, you know I would die to work with.
00:44:45,158 --> 00:44:48,196
Marc Preston: But in terms of directors, david Fincher is,
00:44:48,437 --> 00:44:50,889
Marc Preston: is the number one, top, top, top, top, top
00:44:50,909 --> 00:44:52,977
Marc Preston: top but if you look at the tone of the
00:44:53,017 --> 00:44:56,738
Marc Preston: movie of Of the estate let's say you were
00:44:56,758 --> 00:44:58,885
Marc Preston: to craft another movie similar tone like
00:44:58,906 --> 00:45:00,090
Marc Preston: these these movies were talking about.
00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:03,096
Marc Preston: Yeah who would be kind of kind of a short,
00:45:03,597 --> 00:45:05,200
Marc Preston: very, very, very short list of actors that
00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:08,031
Marc Preston: you think would be great and fun to Kind of
00:45:08,071 --> 00:45:11,157
Marc Preston: play with for you know a few months making
00:45:11,177 --> 00:45:12,118
Marc Preston: a film like that.
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:14,162
Chris Baker: Oh, my gosh dream scenario.
00:45:14,663 --> 00:45:20,287
Chris Baker: I, I love and halfway I think that she's a
00:45:20,327 --> 00:45:23,798
Chris Baker: genius and I'm just obsessed with her.
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:27,237
Chris Baker: I Really really love starleys.
00:45:28,634 --> 00:45:31,845
Chris Baker: I think that on and I think that everything
00:45:31,885 --> 00:45:33,370
Chris Baker: she does is so interesting.
00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:36,038
Chris Baker: I I've probably seen young adults she's a
00:45:36,078 --> 00:45:38,952
Chris Baker: great comedic actress also Movie, should it
00:45:38,972 --> 00:45:39,333
Chris Baker: with Seth?
00:45:39,373 --> 00:45:42,322
Marc Preston: Rogen, where she played a oh right policy.
00:45:42,863 --> 00:45:45,069
Chris Baker: She just, it's just, her timing is just on
00:45:45,130 --> 00:45:48,137
Chris Baker: point, you know yeah, and, and you know Mad
00:45:48,178 --> 00:45:51,206
Chris Baker: Max and when she was in Prometheus, I mean
00:45:51,266 --> 00:45:55,256
Chris Baker: these roles where her looks inform her
00:45:55,336 --> 00:45:57,903
Chris Baker: characters in just I don't know if she's
00:45:57,963 --> 00:46:00,229
Chris Baker: just really really good at picking roles
00:46:00,269 --> 00:46:02,415
Chris Baker: for herself, but she just understands her
00:46:03,117 --> 00:46:07,133
Chris Baker: arsenal of you know Tricks and and whatever
00:46:07,213 --> 00:46:10,660
Chris Baker: so well I'm, I'm just continually impressed
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:14,795
Chris Baker: by her and I would Really really love to
00:46:14,855 --> 00:46:15,437
Chris Baker: work with.
00:46:16,821 --> 00:46:17,764
Chris Baker: I love Mindy Kaling.
00:46:18,246 --> 00:46:19,510
Chris Baker: I like her new show a lot.
00:46:21,295 --> 00:46:21,555
Chris Baker: There.
00:46:21,595 --> 00:46:23,260
Chris Baker: There's a lot of people out there I mean I
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:25,385
Chris Baker: named all women but obviously Brad Pitt is
00:46:25,425 --> 00:46:27,170
Chris Baker: just the number one of all time, because I
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:30,379
Chris Baker: think you know to feel like I just learned
00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:30,941
Chris Baker: a lot from him.
00:46:31,322 --> 00:46:34,382
Chris Baker: I think that he's just he's lived a very
00:46:34,403 --> 00:46:35,328
Chris Baker: interesting life but he's also made a lot
00:46:35,348 --> 00:46:35,650
Chris Baker: of great movies.
00:46:37,895 --> 00:46:39,900
Marc Preston: Yeah, he never phones it in without a doubt,
00:46:39,980 --> 00:46:40,481
Marc Preston: and we can probably.
00:46:40,501 --> 00:46:41,203
Marc Preston: You cannot be a David.
00:46:41,223 --> 00:46:43,288
Chris Baker: Fincher fan, without being a Brad Pitt fan
00:46:43,308 --> 00:46:43,649
Chris Baker: as well.
00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:47,183
Chris Baker: Well, yeah, as we wrap up, I'm just kind of
00:46:47,203 --> 00:46:48,589
Chris Baker: curious, what are you watching right now,
00:46:48,609 --> 00:46:48,930
Chris Baker: like TV wise?
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:50,594
Marc Preston: What are you consuming on a that you're
00:46:50,635 --> 00:46:52,944
Marc Preston: just like that's your entertainment?
00:46:56,243 --> 00:46:58,180
Marc Preston: Well, in terms, of Scripted.
00:46:59,411 --> 00:47:02,701
Chris Baker: I saw there's a film called the Card
00:47:02,761 --> 00:47:03,965
Chris Baker: Counter with Oscar Isaac that I really
00:47:03,985 --> 00:47:04,266
Chris Baker: enjoyed.
00:47:04,286 --> 00:47:10,277
Chris Baker: I thought it was a very strange and
00:47:10,297 --> 00:47:14,509
Chris Baker: beautiful and kind of stoic meditation on,
00:47:14,529 --> 00:47:16,297
Chris Baker: like the state of the modern man you know.
00:47:16,317 --> 00:47:18,647
Chris Baker: I thought it was fantastic.
00:47:21,215 --> 00:47:23,964
Chris Baker: And I saw the lost daughter with Olivia
00:47:24,004 --> 00:47:24,264
Chris Baker: Coleman.
00:47:24,285 --> 00:47:24,586
Chris Baker: That was.
00:47:24,606 --> 00:47:25,689
Chris Baker: It was really, really good.
00:47:25,709 --> 00:47:31,363
Chris Baker: I love, loved Yellow jackets, which I'm
00:47:31,423 --> 00:47:32,546
Chris Baker: almost done with that.
00:47:32,586 --> 00:47:33,569
Chris Baker: That showtime, oh, I've been meaning to
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:34,010
Chris Baker: catch that I've been.
00:47:35,622 --> 00:47:38,145
Chris Baker: I just kept being Recommended it and I was
00:47:38,333 --> 00:47:40,851
Chris Baker: finally like you know what, I'm just gonna
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:43,647
Chris Baker: start it and my husband and I just can't,
00:47:43,835 --> 00:47:45,382
Chris Baker: can't, stop devouring it.
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:47,336
Chris Baker: Ozark is one of our favorite shows and
00:47:47,356 --> 00:47:48,961
Chris Baker: we're very happy that that's back on.
00:47:49,791 --> 00:47:51,895
Chris Baker: But the thing, unfortunately, that I watch
00:47:51,915 --> 00:47:53,979
Chris Baker: the most or maybe not unfortunately anymore,
00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:56,164
Chris Baker: but are the housewives.
00:47:57,391 --> 00:48:00,081
Chris Baker: Vanderpump rules, summer house below deck
00:48:00,663 --> 00:48:03,573
Chris Baker: every iteration of below deck, I am, you
00:48:03,593 --> 00:48:04,816
Chris Baker: know, the bottom line is you need that
00:48:04,856 --> 00:48:05,357
Chris Baker: departure.
00:48:05,398 --> 00:48:07,251
Marc Preston: I mean there it's a lot of stuff I don't
00:48:07,271 --> 00:48:08,134
Marc Preston: watch but it's.
00:48:08,415 --> 00:48:10,122
Marc Preston: But I have my own escapism and that's
00:48:10,162 --> 00:48:11,687
Marc Preston: something that we and I think that's been
00:48:11,727 --> 00:48:13,554
Marc Preston: very clarified At least in this country, in
00:48:13,574 --> 00:48:15,783
Marc Preston: the US, over the last handful of years of
00:48:15,823 --> 00:48:17,450
Marc Preston: we've needed that escapism, you know.
00:48:17,831 --> 00:48:18,954
Chris Baker: I turn off the news.
00:48:19,035 --> 00:48:20,800
Chris Baker: You know I'm watching a scripted show
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,725
Chris Baker: unless it's really really, really really
00:48:22,785 --> 00:48:24,771
Chris Baker: good, like Ozark or Yellow Jackets, or you
00:48:24,791 --> 00:48:26,016
Chris Baker: know I love Mara Vistown.
00:48:26,056 --> 00:48:26,779
Chris Baker: That was fabulous.
00:48:28,052 --> 00:48:32,257
Chris Baker: The it as a writer watching most scripted
00:48:32,277 --> 00:48:32,999
Chris Baker: stuff in.
00:48:33,259 --> 00:48:36,546
Chris Baker: I'm usually watching the gears shift as
00:48:36,607 --> 00:48:39,294
Chris Baker: this as each scene plays out, and if it's
00:48:39,374 --> 00:48:42,365
Chris Baker: not very good it kind of I can't get into
00:48:42,425 --> 00:48:43,870
Chris Baker: it, I'm just watching the machinations.
00:48:44,271 --> 00:48:46,776
Chris Baker: So the thing about reality television is
00:48:46,796 --> 00:48:48,500
Chris Baker: that, even though it is sort of just as
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,374
Chris Baker: scripted as many other things, there's just
00:48:51,555 --> 00:48:55,094
Chris Baker: a Strangeness about the human condition
00:48:55,155 --> 00:48:58,400
Chris Baker: that is truly revealed by by these people
00:48:58,460 --> 00:49:00,744
Chris Baker: that decide to open up their homes and
00:49:00,804 --> 00:49:03,875
Chris Baker: lives to All of the world.
00:49:04,076 --> 00:49:06,144
Chris Baker: And and it does feel when I'm watching
00:49:06,184 --> 00:49:07,610
Chris Baker: those shows like Brain Cleaner.
00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:10,677
Chris Baker: But I really don't have to think a lot and
00:49:11,238 --> 00:49:13,985
Chris Baker: I can, I could just kind of check out and,
00:49:14,871 --> 00:49:16,698
Chris Baker: yeah, just just just read into the human
00:49:16,738 --> 00:49:18,946
Chris Baker: experience and a you know there was a show.
00:49:18,966 --> 00:49:19,990
Marc Preston: You're probably gonna know what I'm talking
00:49:20,010 --> 00:49:20,110
Marc Preston: about.
00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:24,231
Marc Preston: There was a show may have been, I Don't
00:49:24,251 --> 00:49:25,935
Marc Preston: know when I caught it it was.
00:49:26,155 --> 00:49:28,059
Marc Preston: It was a scripted show about making
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:29,422
Marc Preston: something like the Bachelorette.
00:49:29,743 --> 00:49:33,072
Marc Preston: It was a drama Unreal.
00:49:33,554 --> 00:49:34,577
Marc Preston: I gotta be honest with that.
00:49:34,617 --> 00:49:35,239
Marc Preston: That pulled me on.
00:49:35,259 --> 00:49:35,600
Marc Preston: That was it.
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:36,994
Marc Preston: I was kind of when you really, because when
00:49:37,014 --> 00:49:39,280
Marc Preston: you've worked on sets and you just even the
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,373
Marc Preston: PAs with their Walking around with a
00:49:41,393 --> 00:49:43,201
Marc Preston: walkie-talkie, you get a sense of like
00:49:43,542 --> 00:49:44,366
Marc Preston: twists and turns.
00:49:44,486 --> 00:49:45,871
Marc Preston: Yeah, oh yeah, indeed, so it's.
00:49:45,991 --> 00:49:47,796
Marc Preston: It's like you start realizing that a lot of
00:49:47,816 --> 00:49:50,122
Marc Preston: these shows they went from calling reality.
00:49:50,142 --> 00:49:51,173
Marc Preston: Now they're called, whether they call them
00:49:51,233 --> 00:49:52,619
Marc Preston: unscripted shows, you know.
00:49:53,651 --> 00:49:56,077
Marc Preston: There is still, there is still theater to
00:49:56,117 --> 00:49:57,741
Marc Preston: them, but it's just a different kind of
00:49:57,781 --> 00:49:58,543
Marc Preston: theater, you know.
00:49:59,532 --> 00:50:01,440
Marc Preston: But what I'm gonna go as we wrap up, here
00:50:01,460 --> 00:50:03,568
Marc Preston: and again, thank you for being generous
00:50:03,609 --> 00:50:03,970
Marc Preston: with your time.
00:50:04,351 --> 00:50:05,234
Marc Preston: I certainly appreciate it.
00:50:05,495 --> 00:50:07,442
Marc Preston: But I got something I call it Preston's
00:50:07,482 --> 00:50:08,145
Marc Preston: Lucky Seven.
00:50:08,385 --> 00:50:09,630
Marc Preston: I like to ask seven questions.
00:50:09,730 --> 00:50:10,673
Marc Preston: I like to ask questions.
00:50:11,134 --> 00:50:12,397
Marc Preston: I used to do this when I had a syndicator
00:50:12,417 --> 00:50:14,162
Marc Preston: radio show many moons ago on ABC.
00:50:14,262 --> 00:50:17,821
Marc Preston: But what is your favorite comfort food?
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:19,394
Chris Baker: Anything chocolate.
00:50:21,111 --> 00:50:23,016
Marc Preston: You know, my oldest daughter get along very,
00:50:23,096 --> 00:50:23,578
Marc Preston: very well.
00:50:23,758 --> 00:50:25,182
Marc Preston: If there's nothing in the house, chocolate
00:50:25,210 --> 00:50:25,431
Marc Preston: there's.
00:50:25,451 --> 00:50:27,258
Marc Preston: There's a collective sigh like oh no.
00:50:30,112 --> 00:50:32,280
Marc Preston: Now, who are three people.
00:50:32,361 --> 00:50:33,606
Marc Preston: If you could sit down for a cup of coffee,
00:50:34,128 --> 00:50:34,630
Marc Preston: it could be a lot.
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:35,514
Marc Preston: It could be living or dead.
00:50:36,272 --> 00:50:37,358
Marc Preston: Who would you want to sit down with?
00:50:37,419 --> 00:50:38,887
Marc Preston: And at that table of four people you and
00:50:38,908 --> 00:50:40,572
Marc Preston: three others who would you like to sit down
00:50:40,612 --> 00:50:41,454
Marc Preston: with and chat?
00:50:43,017 --> 00:50:46,787
Chris Baker: You know Barry, barack Obama, david Sideris
00:50:48,471 --> 00:50:51,079
Chris Baker: and Michelle Pfeiffer.
00:50:52,236 --> 00:50:53,639
Marc Preston: That's an interesting table, you know.
00:50:53,659 --> 00:50:54,582
Marc Preston: I'd be more fun actually.
00:50:54,602 --> 00:50:56,025
Marc Preston: Instead coffee, have some beers, you know
00:50:56,266 --> 00:50:57,196
Marc Preston: kind of cut lies, something.
00:50:57,216 --> 00:50:59,182
Marc Preston: Something tells me you know the president
00:50:59,202 --> 00:50:59,965
Marc Preston: would be down with that.
00:51:00,205 --> 00:51:03,727
Marc Preston: Yeah, now who is your celebrity crush when
00:51:03,747 --> 00:51:04,270
Marc Preston: you were a kid?
00:51:04,290 --> 00:51:11,378
Chris Baker: Oh, Well, you know and and and and there
00:51:11,418 --> 00:51:15,748
Chris Baker: was a guy on the OC that I think his no, I
00:51:15,886 --> 00:51:17,881
Chris Baker: know his name is Chris Carmack.
00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:18,577
Chris Baker: I don't know.
00:51:18,816 --> 00:51:20,341
Chris Baker: I think he's on Grey's Anatomy now, but I
00:51:20,381 --> 00:51:21,123
Chris Baker: don't watch Grey's Anatomy.
00:51:22,147 --> 00:51:26,185
Chris Baker: I was in love with him and I mean I love
00:51:26,225 --> 00:51:29,760
Chris Baker: that show, I just ate that show up, but I I
00:51:29,821 --> 00:51:31,947
Chris Baker: couldn't believe someone like that
00:51:32,067 --> 00:51:34,173
Chris Baker: physically could exist and he played a very
00:51:34,233 --> 00:51:36,066
Chris Baker: stupid character and I always found that
00:51:36,127 --> 00:51:36,935
Chris Baker: very attractive.
00:51:38,381 --> 00:51:40,836
Chris Baker: Yeah, that's.
00:51:40,936 --> 00:51:41,357
Marc Preston: It's funny.
00:51:41,438 --> 00:51:42,800
Marc Preston: You mentioned Grey's Anatomy, the.
00:51:43,261 --> 00:51:44,845
Marc Preston: I remember sitting down with Patrick
00:51:44,865 --> 00:51:49,097
Marc Preston: Dempsey for a movie God it was called, was
00:51:49,117 --> 00:51:49,679
Marc Preston: it with honors?
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:51,718
Marc Preston: It was years ago With the.
00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:54,782
Marc Preston: Brendan Fraser was in it and so I sat down
00:51:54,802 --> 00:51:54,982
Marc Preston: with him.
00:51:55,243 --> 00:51:56,146
Marc Preston: I'm sitting, look at this guy going.
00:51:57,197 --> 00:51:58,647
Marc Preston: This guy is on the process, man, he's this
00:51:58,667 --> 00:51:59,815
Marc Preston: guy, he's, he's this nicest guy.
00:52:00,016 --> 00:52:01,242
Marc Preston: He's got this cool about him.
00:52:01,402 --> 00:52:03,573
Marc Preston: And here is dr McDreamy years later, you
00:52:03,613 --> 00:52:04,015
Marc Preston: know so.
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:08,506
Marc Preston: Now, if you were to find next question,
00:52:08,546 --> 00:52:10,937
Marc Preston: what would be Perfect day for you?
00:52:11,318 --> 00:52:13,924
Marc Preston: Get up, day starts great from stem to stern.
00:52:14,505 --> 00:52:15,728
Marc Preston: What would be a perfect day for you?
00:52:16,496 --> 00:52:17,882
Marc Preston: What would be the component parts of that?
00:52:19,156 --> 00:52:21,883
Chris Baker: Every day is waking up real like right
00:52:22,144 --> 00:52:27,683
Chris Baker: after sunrise, walking my dog, then doing a
00:52:27,723 --> 00:52:30,033
Chris Baker: workout of some kind and kind of getting
00:52:30,074 --> 00:52:33,200
Chris Baker: all those Although all that stress and
00:52:33,481 --> 00:52:35,324
Chris Baker: whatever I drank the night before out of my
00:52:35,364 --> 00:52:38,290
Chris Baker: system and sweating that out and then
00:52:39,655 --> 00:52:42,384
Chris Baker: Writing some really really, really great,
00:52:42,685 --> 00:52:46,260
Chris Baker: great Scenes with great crackling dialogue
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,264
Chris Baker: that there's just no better jug than that,
00:52:48,364 --> 00:52:51,169
Chris Baker: and then going out for pasta with my
00:52:51,249 --> 00:52:51,530
Chris Baker: husband.
00:52:52,376 --> 00:52:54,361
Marc Preston: Yeah, it's gotta get those carbs and nuts.
00:52:54,401 --> 00:52:55,264
Marc Preston: That's, that's, that's.
00:52:55,284 --> 00:52:55,765
Marc Preston: Hey, man, am I?
00:52:55,865 --> 00:52:56,856
Marc Preston: I'm getting a little older man, I got to
00:52:56,876 --> 00:52:58,299
Marc Preston: keep an eye out for that, but I'll do it
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:58,600
Marc Preston: still.
00:52:58,721 --> 00:53:00,646
Marc Preston: Hey, you know I don't mind a couple pounds,
00:53:00,666 --> 00:53:06,077
Marc Preston: sure, why not Now, if you were gonna be On
00:53:06,117 --> 00:53:08,563
Marc Preston: an island and you're bringing one album,
00:53:08,884 --> 00:53:11,658
Marc Preston: you're bringing one movie, what are you
00:53:11,678 --> 00:53:12,180
Marc Preston: taking with you?
00:53:12,537 --> 00:53:13,826
Marc Preston: Well you know you're gonna be there for a
00:53:13,866 --> 00:53:14,128
Marc Preston: while.
00:53:14,148 --> 00:53:15,215
Marc Preston: You're gonna be there for a few months and
00:53:15,235 --> 00:53:16,499
Marc Preston: that's the only thing you can listen to,
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:19,005
Marc Preston: only thing you can watch, and you're not
00:53:19,025 --> 00:53:19,707
Marc Preston: gonna get tired of it.
00:53:21,298 --> 00:53:23,542
Chris Baker: So the album this is kind of a cheap, but
00:53:23,582 --> 00:53:28,279
Chris Baker: the oh no, yeah, I'm gonna say the album
00:53:28,299 --> 00:53:30,365
Chris Baker: that I would take is Madonna's immaculate
00:53:30,385 --> 00:53:33,359
Chris Baker: collection, because I'm gay and that's what
00:53:33,379 --> 00:53:35,525
Chris Baker: I've, that's just, that's what I have, no
00:53:35,565 --> 00:53:35,987
Chris Baker: other choice.
00:53:36,536 --> 00:53:37,478
Marc Preston: It's a pretty diverse album.
00:53:37,498 --> 00:53:38,259
Marc Preston: There's a lot going on.
00:53:38,620 --> 00:53:39,342
Chris Baker: Yeah, a lot going on.
00:53:39,883 --> 00:53:44,818
Chris Baker: And then the one movie I would take, uh, is
00:53:44,899 --> 00:53:48,161
Chris Baker: probably my best friend's wedding.
00:53:49,986 --> 00:53:50,769
Chris Baker: And then what was the other thing?
00:53:52,461 --> 00:53:54,369
Marc Preston: Just the album and the movie and the movie,
00:53:54,389 --> 00:53:54,730
Marc Preston: that's it.
00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:55,834
Marc Preston: You know, keep yourself entertained.
00:53:57,943 --> 00:53:59,070
Marc Preston: Now, last couple questions.
00:53:59,090 --> 00:54:02,061
Marc Preston: You got a DeLorean, your cruise of back 16
00:54:02,101 --> 00:54:02,763
Marc Preston: year old Chris.
00:54:03,004 --> 00:54:04,529
Marc Preston: What are you going to tell him?
00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:05,493
Marc Preston: If you have, if you've got, you know, an
00:54:05,513 --> 00:54:07,670
Marc Preston: hour to sit down with younger you, where do
00:54:07,690 --> 00:54:08,134
Marc Preston: you got to tell him?
00:54:08,154 --> 00:54:11,626
Chris Baker: Oh, Words of advice start sooner.
00:54:12,047 --> 00:54:13,893
Marc Preston: Yeah, that's great advice for anybody kind
00:54:13,913 --> 00:54:16,139
Marc Preston: of kind of together with that is the idea
00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:16,921
Marc Preston: that you know.
00:54:17,141 --> 00:54:18,806
Marc Preston: Start now at least get going, do it.
00:54:18,866 --> 00:54:20,329
Chris Baker: Don't be afraid, don't.
00:54:20,550 --> 00:54:22,314
Chris Baker: Don't listen to, to what people don't you
00:54:22,334 --> 00:54:22,435
Chris Baker: know.
00:54:23,395 --> 00:54:25,691
Chris Baker: I think things worked out the way they were
00:54:25,711 --> 00:54:26,033
Chris Baker: supposed to.
00:54:26,073 --> 00:54:30,613
Chris Baker: But yeah, I would tell my 16 year old self
00:54:30,633 --> 00:54:30,994
Chris Baker: to start now.
00:54:31,015 --> 00:54:32,523
Chris Baker: Yeah, very nice.
00:54:32,543 --> 00:54:37,025
Marc Preston: And then the last question Now we catch up
00:54:37,045 --> 00:54:38,390
Marc Preston: with years from now and if they, they get
00:54:38,410 --> 00:54:39,193
Marc Preston: the documentary of your life coming out,
00:54:39,213 --> 00:54:41,484
Marc Preston: because you're fabulously Famous, wealthy,
00:54:42,231 --> 00:54:45,029
Marc Preston: hopefully, and you remember, remember a
00:54:45,049 --> 00:54:46,055
Marc Preston: small people down the line, of course, but
00:54:46,816 --> 00:54:49,230
Marc Preston: who would you, who would you like to have
00:54:49,251 --> 00:54:49,975
Marc Preston: narrate the documentary of your life?
00:54:51,619 --> 00:54:53,911
Chris Baker: Oh, I have to because I really love both of
00:54:53,931 --> 00:54:54,775
Chris Baker: their voices, for different reasons.
00:54:54,775 --> 00:54:56,321
Chris Baker: So whoever made it to the voiceover booth
00:54:56,341 --> 00:54:57,906
Chris Baker: and that was still around, because they're
00:54:57,926 --> 00:55:03,000
Chris Baker: both older than me, giovanni Robisi and
00:55:05,772 --> 00:55:07,079
Chris Baker: Delroy lendo I I'm obsessed with nice
00:55:07,099 --> 00:55:08,003
Chris Baker: choices Very good, yeah, actually I think.
00:55:08,023 --> 00:55:09,871
Marc Preston: Giovanni Robisi, he's he's narrated a
00:55:09,891 --> 00:55:11,682
Marc Preston: couple things I've heard before.
00:55:13,457 --> 00:55:15,808
Marc Preston: I narrated the version suicides, which is a
00:55:15,828 --> 00:55:16,853
Marc Preston: very I knew there was something he did,
00:55:16,893 --> 00:55:18,982
Marc Preston: yeah, yep, and you know, actually, one of
00:55:19,002 --> 00:55:20,974
Marc Preston: my favorite characters he ever did.
00:55:21,655 --> 00:55:23,312
Marc Preston: It's one of my favorite movies, sophia
00:55:23,405 --> 00:55:26,184
Marc Preston: Copeland, drawn a blank here in Japan.
00:55:25,895 --> 00:55:27,618
Marc Preston: Oh, lots of translation, lots of
00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:29,493
Marc Preston: translations my favorite movies ever, Uh.
00:55:29,586 --> 00:55:30,058
Marc Preston: I love.
00:55:30,151 --> 00:55:32,152
Marc Preston: His character was just like he wasn't in a
00:55:32,244 --> 00:55:33,194
Marc Preston: big part of the movie.
00:55:35,341 --> 00:55:36,244
Marc Preston: But it's just something.
00:55:36,646 --> 00:55:38,351
Marc Preston: Anything he's in, I'm gonna watch yeah but
00:55:38,371 --> 00:55:38,773
Marc Preston: hey my friend.
00:55:38,793 --> 00:55:39,937
Marc Preston: Thank you, I want to thank you for taking
00:55:39,957 --> 00:55:41,345
Marc Preston: the time to just sit down and chat a little
00:55:41,606 --> 00:55:48,134
Marc Preston: talking story Again, the movie the estate
00:55:48,254 --> 00:55:51,309
Marc Preston: on hulu, I gotta you gotta catch it's fun.
00:55:51,329 --> 00:55:54,424
Marc Preston: I recommend a nice bottle of wine, maybe
00:55:54,464 --> 00:55:55,610
Marc Preston: some, you know, maybe some carbs, sure you
00:55:55,630 --> 00:55:56,535
Marc Preston: know, just make an evening of it certainly.
00:55:56,535 --> 00:55:58,743
Marc Preston: But I want to thank you as really kind of
00:55:58,864 --> 00:56:01,574
Marc Preston: you to take some time with me on a Friday
00:56:01,694 --> 00:56:02,155
Marc Preston: nonetheless.
00:56:02,678 --> 00:56:04,850
Marc Preston: But I I wish you nothing but health,
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:08,546
Marc Preston: happiness, prosperity.
00:56:08,586 --> 00:56:09,730
Marc Preston: I know great things are coming from you and
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:10,553
Marc Preston: uh, and hopefully we'll have a chance to
00:56:10,573 --> 00:56:11,015
Marc Preston: catch up down the line.
00:56:13,763 --> 00:56:15,768
Chris Baker: I appreciate this so much and thank you for
00:56:15,809 --> 00:56:17,313
Chris Baker: your support and thank you for taking the
00:56:17,333 --> 00:56:17,534
Chris Baker: time.
00:56:17,594 --> 00:56:18,055
Chris Baker: I really appreciate it.
00:56:20,305 --> 00:56:21,409
Marc Preston: Well, there you go, chris Baker.
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:21,992
Marc Preston: What a what a cool chat.
00:56:22,012 --> 00:56:22,434
Marc Preston: Really enjoyed it.
00:56:22,454 --> 00:56:25,104
Marc Preston: Uh, you know the people that are out there
00:56:25,124 --> 00:56:26,793
Marc Preston: in the world creating their thing, getting
00:56:26,833 --> 00:56:31,790
Marc Preston: it out there, it's very inspirational,
00:56:31,810 --> 00:56:32,714
Marc Preston: whether it be writing a book, a song, uh,
00:56:32,734 --> 00:56:34,963
Marc Preston: screenplay, a movie, whatever.
00:56:35,023 --> 00:56:36,910
Marc Preston: If you are a creative type, I don't care
00:56:36,930 --> 00:56:38,195
Marc Preston: what you're doing, keep on doing it.
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:40,805
Marc Preston: And you know, chris is a prime example.
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Marc Preston: If you do it and you just kind of stick to
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Marc Preston: it, cool things can happen, without a doubt.
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Marc Preston: Once again, the movie is called the estate.
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Marc Preston: It is on hulu, a little something different
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Marc Preston: than you're probably used to seeing.
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Marc Preston: Once again, the estate on hulu.
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Marc Preston: The next few episodes oh man, we got some
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Marc Preston: cool, cool guests coming up.
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Marc Preston: Hey, I'm gonna get on out of here.
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Marc Preston: You have yourself a killer.
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Marc Preston: Rest of the week, be safe.
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Marc Preston: And, uh, we'll check you out next week
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Marc Preston: right here on story and craft.
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