Michael Beach | A Journey From Roxbury

I play a man who was a walrus through most

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Michael: of his life and now is fighting to become a

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Announcer: Welcome to Story Craft.

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Announcer: Now here's your host, Marc Preston.

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Marc: All right here we are another episode of

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Marc: Story Craft.

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Marc: Hello, how are you?

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Marc: I'm Marc Preston.

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Marc: If this is your first time, thanks for

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Marc: It does mean a lot to me because, hey, you

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Marc: and I get to meet one another today and, as

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Marc: I always say, if you've been here before,

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Marc: That does mean a lot to me, Really it does,

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Marc: and I mean I've gotten some cool messages

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Marc: Just found out this week people are

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Marc: Always wanted to go to Fiji.

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Marc: I'm living vicariously through you, I

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Marc: Today, great conversation we are chatting

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Marc: with the very talented actor Michael Beach.

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Marc: Been acting for a long time and some great

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Marc: Right now he's on the Rookie on ABC, Also

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Marc: the Mayor of Kingstown, which actually

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Marc: season three coming out on June 2nd on

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Marc: He's on Tulsa King as well Another king, if

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Marc: If you did not see Tulsa King on Paramount

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Marc: Plus, the first season, they are going to

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Marc: replay it on CBS, I believe it starts on

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Marc: July 14th.

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Marc: Michael Beach great conversation.

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Marc: Really enjoyed sitting down with him,

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Marc: Learned a lot about his career and just a

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Marc: cool dude to sit down with.

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Marc: Hey, do me a favor, if you would.

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Marc: A small favor, a little request Make sure

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Marc: Really enjoy the conversations I get to

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Marc: have and bring to you and you know just

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Marc: All right, so let's get after it.

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Marc: Today is Michael Beach Day, right here on

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Marc: Story Craft.

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Marc: So whereabouts are you joining us from

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Michael: Right now I'm in Pittsburgh.

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Marc: Pittsburgh.

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Marc: Okay, okay, Are you filming, yeah?

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Michael: we're filming the last few episodes, the

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Michael: last couple of episodes of Mayor of

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Michael: Kingstown.

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Michael: Where are you from originally?

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Michael: Originally, I was born in Boston, in

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Michael: know, 10, 11 years there and then still

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Michael: stayed in the Massachusetts area but went

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Michael: out to school and then from there went to

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Marc: So the family were they in the arts as well,

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Marc: or were they in any kind of performance?

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Marc: Or were you the odd man out there?

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Michael: Totally odd man out.

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Michael: Nobody had anything to do with the arts at

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Michael: Actually, I'm the only surviving arts guy.

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Marc: You said you went to New York.

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Marc: Did you go out there for acting or were you

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Michael: Yeah, I ended up in high school.

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Michael: I thought I was going to play football and

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Michael: then, after an injury that didn't allow me

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Michael: and so I went out to New York because I had

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Michael: gotten into theater school and that's where

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Michael: Where did you go to school?

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Michael: I went to.

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Marc: Juilliard Speaking with Reed Diamond.

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Marc: Reed Diamond, I think.

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Marc: Reed Diamond, yes, I think you went out

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Marc: mentioned new york, um, I think the first

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Marc: I I'll get into it later, but you always

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Marc: I think it was at Third Watch.

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Marc: Third Watch, yeah, that was about 21, 22

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Michael: Yeah, I think Third Watch started in 99,

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Michael: same year.

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Michael: That believe it or not, because same year

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Michael: that West Wing started and SUV Law and

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Michael: Order, or SVU sorry.

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Marc: It was good for NBC.

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Marc: They came out of the gate with some winners

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Marc: Yeah, I'm sorry, I just had to process that

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Marc: I was like, yeah, 25 years ago now, wow,

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Marc: So going back to football, what position

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Marc: I was a running back.

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Marc: Yeah, who was your team?

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Michael: Well, at the time I was a big Patriots fan,

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Michael: mostly because that's what my mother was

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Michael: Okay and because, to be honest with you, my

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Michael: guy even after that got into martial arts

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Michael: I was I sport.

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Michael: I did go to a lot of live basketball games

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Michael: because I was doing things with people that

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Michael: So I was able to go to a few live games and

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Michael: I found those to be very exciting.

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Michael: But but didn't really watch much on TV and

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Michael: still really don't.

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Marc: Yeah, you know that's something that rest

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Marc: But my grandfather used to we're from

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Marc: They finally did it.

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Marc: They finally did it.

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Marc: But the thing is I so wanted to get in

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Marc: I just never got that.

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Marc: But I like going to the games.

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Marc: I mean sitting down having a hot dog,

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Marc: That's pretty cool, right, but I just never

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Marc: I enjoyed playing, but that's kind of funny.

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Marc: I haven't heard too many people say that.

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Marc: Usually people pretty fanatical, you know.

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Michael: But just like when it comes to that, then

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Michael: if that's the case, you mentioned your

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Marc: What kind of vocation did she have going on?

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Michael: My mother was an educator.

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Michael: Really Well, she started out, you know,

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Michael: You know my mother was a single mom with

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Michael: That really just stressed education for us.

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Michael: She didn't make it to college right out of

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Michael: high school she left home among a Cape

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Michael: Verdean community, which is a community of

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Michael: the Cape Verdean islands exist right off

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Michael: the west coast of Africa and it's kind of

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Michael: like kind of a mix between the Senegalese

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Michael: what the Cape Verdean Islands became.

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Marc: Now does she come over from there, or is

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Marc: that just where her people came from?

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Michael: My mother was full-blooded.

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Michael: Her mother and her father were both Cape

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Michael: Verdean, from an island called Fogo.

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Michael: There are 10 inhabitable islands off the

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Michael: west coast of Africa that encompass the

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Michael: Cape Verdean islands.

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Michael: There are more islands, but there's only 10

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Michael: And there's a big in Massachusetts, down in

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Michael: the Cape area, and there's a big Cape

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Michael: Verdean community community and that's

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Michael: where she grew up and and then and then you

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Michael: move off into into the Boston area in the

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Michael: Roxbury, which is where I grew up.

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Michael: Um, and she, she basically uh pushed us

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Michael: even though she didn't, she wasn't able to

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Michael: go to college right off the bat.

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Michael: She pushed us into education and then she

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Michael: ended up after after her last child, uh,

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Michael: went to college, she ended up going to mit.

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Michael: Oh really, yeah, she's a very smart woman,

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Michael: very smart woman and and got into in the in

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Michael: the 80s, was very, very involved in the

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Michael: AIDS outbreak.

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Michael: She started a nonprofit called the

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Michael: Multicultural AIDS I don't know if it was

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Michael: program or whatever the last wording was

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Michael: and she was a champion back then and spent

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Michael: a lot of years helping a lot of people.

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Michael: She's very well known in the Boston area,

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Michael: really For that.

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Michael: Yeah.

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Marc: Well, I think back then was, you know, I

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Marc: was just thinking.

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Marc: It just popped in my mind the other day.

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Marc: I was sitting on the sofa with my daughter

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Marc: and a commercial for an HIV medication came

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Marc: on and I had this momentary flashback to

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Marc: the 80s and just what it was like back then

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Marc: was there was a lot of either confusion,

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Marc: there was a lot of the word escapes me a

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Marc: lot of prejudice, if you will, against you

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Marc: know of the word escapes me a lot of

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Marc: prejudice, if you will, against you know,

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Marc: when you do an A-B comparison between then

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Marc: and now, I think kids now don't fully

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Marc: understand what the AIDS thing in the 80s,

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Marc: you know, was all about.

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Marc: So how did she get involved in that?

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Marc: As somebody who went to MIT, was she, you

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Marc: found that there was a way to kind of help

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Marc: to insert herself, to kind of help based on

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Marc: her education.

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Michael: Yeah, I think in general she was really

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Michael: focusing on what the Black community had

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Michael: been kind of left out of in terms of what

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Michael: the government aides were and obviously the

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Michael: stigma of AIDS in general and then of

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Michael: course in particular how that affected the

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Michael: Black community.

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Michael: But you know the name of her organization

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Michael: was Multicultural, so it was.

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Michael: It had to do with a lot of groups that were

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Michael: marginalized in many ways.

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Michael: But of course, if you're marginalized in

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Michael: the general way, then when AIDS came along

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Michael: and it was marginalized, no matter who you

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Michael: were, it was obviously exponentially

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Michael: marginalized among the minority community

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Michael: and that's something that really bothered

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Michael: her and so she yeah, and wasn't there some

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Marc: By the way, I want to back up.

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Marc: I always end up talking about food at some

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Marc: A Verdean, yes, verdean, food-wise.

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Marc: They're not cheap investments but they're

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Marc: It was a great ensemble, though I think it

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00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,422

Marc: was a wonderful ensemble.

507

00:23:28,482 --> 00:23:29,212

Marc: And then you had unfortunately,

508

00:23:29,232 --> 00:23:30,276

Marc: serendipitously, you had 9-11 happened,

509

00:23:30,296 --> 00:23:31,079

Marc: which that was right, right, oh gosh, you

510

00:23:31,099 --> 00:23:31,179

Marc: know.

511

00:23:31,199 --> 00:23:32,142

Marc: Now I'm having to use my memory, which my

512

00:23:32,162 --> 00:23:32,584

Marc: kids make fun of.

513

00:23:32,604 --> 00:23:33,366

Marc: Unfortunately, serendipitously, you had

514

00:23:33,387 --> 00:23:34,390

Marc: 9-11 happen, which that was right, oh gosh.

515

00:23:35,231 --> 00:23:36,796

Marc: Now I'm having to use my memory, which my

516

00:23:36,857 --> 00:23:37,519

Marc: kids make fun of.

517

00:23:37,910 --> 00:23:40,652

Marc: They think it's a horrible memory, but I

518

00:23:40,672 --> 00:23:41,897

Marc: remember that was right about then.

519

00:23:41,970 --> 00:23:43,075

Marc: There was a special they did.

520

00:23:43,591 --> 00:23:46,340

Marc: There was some kind of tie-in to the moment

521

00:23:46,380 --> 00:23:46,520

Marc: there.

522

00:23:46,530 --> 00:23:48,094

Marc: I don't know if it's fundraising kind of a

523

00:23:48,114 --> 00:23:49,437

Marc: thing, but I seem to remember there was

524

00:23:49,457 --> 00:23:51,342

Marc: something going on and it seems like that

525

00:23:51,382 --> 00:23:53,307

Marc: put a little bit more focus on that uh

526

00:23:53,407 --> 00:23:53,829

Marc: series.

527

00:23:54,290 --> 00:23:54,932

Marc: There was a little bit.

528

00:23:54,952 --> 00:23:56,416

Marc: It seemed like they had, like I said, a

529

00:23:56,436 --> 00:23:57,258

Marc: wonderful ensemble.

530

00:23:57,339 --> 00:23:59,111

Michael: I mean there was a skip set of yeah,

531

00:23:59,452 --> 00:24:02,377

Michael: there's a lot kobe, kobe bell, uh, bobby

532

00:24:02,417 --> 00:24:07,325

Michael: cannavale, yeah, anthony ruivivar, a lot of

533

00:24:07,385 --> 00:24:12,037

Michael: us, you know, um, yeah, you know, uh, when

534

00:24:12,098 --> 00:24:14,942

Michael: 9-11 happened, the the question was should

535

00:24:15,022 --> 00:24:16,505

Michael: we even come back?

536

00:24:17,290 --> 00:24:20,698

Michael: You know, nbc was wondering if we, if you

537

00:24:20,718 --> 00:24:23,504

Michael: know, if we would be taking advantage of

538

00:24:23,624 --> 00:24:26,270

Michael: the situation or if it was appropriate.

539

00:24:27,232 --> 00:24:32,802

Michael: And on the show we, we literally were using

540

00:24:32,982 --> 00:24:34,165

Michael: prior to 9-11.

541

00:24:34,450 --> 00:24:37,740

Michael: We were using a lot of actual firefighters

542

00:24:38,001 --> 00:24:39,554

Michael: and policemen.

543

00:24:39,614 --> 00:24:42,522

Michael: They were not only consulting us, but they

544

00:24:42,582 --> 00:24:45,370

Michael: were background and every once in a while

545

00:24:45,470 --> 00:24:48,835

Michael: they had a line here or there and a couple

546

00:24:49,055 --> 00:24:51,418

Michael: actually became recurring characters.

547

00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:54,643

Michael: But the question was do we come back?

548

00:24:54,943 --> 00:24:59,435

Michael: And overwhelmingly, the firefighters and

549

00:24:59,455 --> 00:25:02,283

Michael: the police said you have to come back.

550

00:25:02,925 --> 00:25:05,652

Michael: You know, it's very important and so that

551

00:25:05,732 --> 00:25:08,518

Michael: special that you were referring to was

552

00:25:08,638 --> 00:25:13,909

Michael: basically more about them than it was about

553

00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:14,530

Michael: the characters.

554

00:25:16,273 --> 00:25:21,121

Michael: We did real interviews with real members of

555

00:25:21,161 --> 00:25:26,096

Michael: the FDNY and NYPD about the people that

556

00:25:26,156 --> 00:25:28,661

Michael: they lost and what was going on that day

557

00:25:28,741 --> 00:25:29,423

Michael: and all of that.

558

00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:32,812

Michael: So it was very moving and so it was very

559

00:25:32,832 --> 00:25:35,654

Michael: moving and you know, and we just became

560

00:25:35,794 --> 00:25:39,357

Michael: closer with those habit of landing in law

561

00:25:39,377 --> 00:26:00,471

Michael: enforcement based kind of you know civil

562

00:26:00,491 --> 00:26:00,811

Michael: servant type.

563

00:26:00,831 --> 00:26:01,874

Marc: Uh, you know characters that you kind of

564

00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:02,735

Marc: find a kind of a connection to those kinds

565

00:26:02,755 --> 00:26:02,916

Marc: of roles.

566

00:26:02,936 --> 00:26:05,882

Michael: Um, I don't know, I think, uh, I think, um,

567

00:26:06,703 --> 00:26:11,035

Michael: I'm, I often play a guy in authority

568

00:26:11,115 --> 00:26:11,836

Michael: positions.

569

00:26:13,258 --> 00:26:17,324

Michael: Um, and when you look at tv, right, there's,

570

00:26:17,704 --> 00:26:19,226

Michael: uh, how many shows do you have?

571

00:26:19,290 --> 00:26:21,074

Michael: It's usually, especially when you go back

572

00:26:21,174 --> 00:26:23,760

Michael: in time, you have cop shows, you have

573

00:26:23,841 --> 00:26:25,953

Michael: lawyer shows and doctor shows.

574

00:26:26,013 --> 00:26:28,480

Michael: Right, though, that was pretty much the the

575

00:26:28,561 --> 00:26:30,346

Michael: bread and butter of tv.

576

00:26:31,128 --> 00:26:35,339

Michael: Uh, particularly before um, reality TV came

577

00:26:35,399 --> 00:26:35,881

Michael: along.

578

00:26:36,322 --> 00:26:37,813

Marc: Oh yeah, as a kid growing up I was all

579

00:26:37,833 --> 00:26:41,121

Marc: about Adam-12 and chips and all that, yeah,

580

00:26:41,201 --> 00:26:43,403

Marc: and emergency Emergency was my OG favorite

581

00:26:43,423 --> 00:26:43,907

Marc: when I was a little kid.

582

00:26:43,927 --> 00:26:44,250

Marc: Yeah, emergency.

583

00:26:46,372 --> 00:26:49,977

Michael: And then shows like Hill Street Blues,

584

00:26:50,017 --> 00:26:53,481

Michael: blues and stuff like that.

585

00:26:53,521 --> 00:26:56,665

Michael: So that's really, when you look at a

586

00:26:56,725 --> 00:27:06,711

Michael: certain time period, those were the shows

587

00:27:06,731 --> 00:27:07,774

Michael: that were on, because it's so much easier

588

00:27:07,794 --> 00:27:08,635

Michael: to tell those stories in an episodic

589

00:27:08,736 --> 00:27:11,161

Michael: fashion, because you know what happens this

590

00:27:11,261 --> 00:27:12,872

Michael: week, what happens that week, and you

591

00:27:12,912 --> 00:27:15,765

Michael: always have guests that can come on with

592

00:27:15,886 --> 00:27:17,793

Michael: different problems, and then you have your

593

00:27:17,853 --> 00:27:20,921

Michael: main people helping them solve that problem.

594

00:27:20,981 --> 00:27:24,298

Michael: You know, so I think for many years that

595

00:27:24,378 --> 00:27:25,762

Michael: was what was on TV.

596

00:27:27,871 --> 00:27:31,351

Michael: It's still a very staple of TV, but of

597

00:27:31,391 --> 00:27:34,039

Michael: course it's grown now to include many other

598

00:27:34,099 --> 00:27:34,400

Michael: things.

599

00:27:34,530 --> 00:27:35,733

Marc: Well, you mentioned the thing about

600

00:27:35,773 --> 00:27:36,275

Marc: authority.

601

00:27:36,315 --> 00:27:38,561

Marc: I've noticed lately my daughter Emma, my

602

00:27:38,601 --> 00:27:41,598

Marc: youngest, loved pitch and kind of going

603

00:27:41,638 --> 00:27:43,585

Marc: forward, even Tulsking, you know you're,

604

00:27:43,846 --> 00:27:46,513

Marc: and even to well, I know in the it was the

605

00:27:46,573 --> 00:27:49,421

Marc: first or second season of the Rookie it's

606

00:27:49,501 --> 00:27:51,313

Marc: being a father, being a father with some

607

00:27:51,353 --> 00:27:53,280

Marc: authority and have some wisdom maybe.

608

00:27:54,831 --> 00:27:56,377

Michael: Well, you know, of course, that's age,

609

00:27:56,477 --> 00:27:57,211

Michael: isn't it, you know?

610

00:27:58,374 --> 00:28:00,620

Marc: when I was acting more my agent, the role

611

00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,475

Marc: started changing, you know, you know, a

612

00:28:03,495 --> 00:28:05,000

Marc: little less hair, a little more gray.

613

00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:06,556

Marc: It just started naturally changing.

614

00:28:06,737 --> 00:28:07,178

Announcer: Exactly.

615

00:28:07,330 --> 00:28:09,452

Marc: Your kids give you any feedback on like

616

00:28:09,472 --> 00:28:12,595

Marc: you're playing a dad, like in Tulsa King.

617

00:28:12,655 --> 00:28:13,495

Marc: You know you got a son.

618

00:28:13,515 --> 00:28:15,497

Marc: You're trying to keep on the right track,

619

00:28:15,617 --> 00:28:15,837

Marc: right.

620

00:28:16,017 --> 00:28:17,539

Marc: You know, one of my favorite scenes is when

621

00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:20,641

Marc: you all kind of had that big dust up, you

622

00:28:20,661 --> 00:28:21,923

Marc: know, and you all got together with your

623

00:28:21,943 --> 00:28:23,464

Marc: baseball bats or whatever it was, and it

624

00:28:23,484 --> 00:28:25,325

Marc: was like that's a dad that's really

625

00:28:25,345 --> 00:28:26,066

Marc: supporting his son.

626

00:28:26,226 --> 00:28:35,611

Marc: Forget going to baseball games, but what's

627

00:28:35,971 --> 00:28:37,054

Marc: it like playing a father on TV and you've

628

00:28:37,074 --> 00:28:38,157

Marc: done it in real life, I'm assuming being a

629

00:28:38,197 --> 00:28:38,878

Marc: dad's very informative for you to.

630

00:28:39,099 --> 00:28:40,021

Michael: You know, play on TV For me, yeah, I mean,

631

00:28:40,041 --> 00:28:42,587

Michael: I don't, you know, I, you know, obviously,

632

00:28:42,647 --> 00:28:44,855

Michael: with being a father, a lot of men are

633

00:28:44,895 --> 00:28:47,080

Michael: fathers, but you know the idea when you go

634

00:28:47,180 --> 00:28:50,896

Michael: on TV and you, you know, I love the when

635

00:28:50,997 --> 00:28:53,305

Michael: they're always, for some reason it's always

636

00:28:53,385 --> 00:28:55,792

Michael: been being written in where you say, oh,

637

00:28:55,912 --> 00:28:58,778

Michael: son, and you know, the word son is always

638

00:28:58,958 --> 00:29:02,491

Michael: used and I almost never call my son son,

639

00:29:03,072 --> 00:29:03,593

Michael: never really.

640

00:29:03,873 --> 00:29:06,218

Michael: Hey, son, same here, yeah, same here, right,

641

00:29:06,258 --> 00:29:09,390

Michael: right, and and oh, I love you and I, you

642

00:29:09,431 --> 00:29:14,638

Michael: know, and so what I always try to, I always

643

00:29:14,698 --> 00:29:17,521

Michael: try to do, not just in playing a father,

644

00:29:17,582 --> 00:29:20,806

Michael: but everything is is to to get rid of the

645

00:29:22,131 --> 00:29:26,077

Michael: you know, the TV icing of relationships,

646

00:29:26,397 --> 00:29:31,044

Michael: you know where, where it's all and it's

647

00:29:31,084 --> 00:29:37,272

Michael: just not me all and and it's just not me

648

00:29:37,292 --> 00:29:38,795

Michael: obviously a lot of great tv shows do this

649

00:29:38,815 --> 00:29:39,296

Michael: and movies as well.

650

00:29:39,316 --> 00:29:40,558

Michael: To where you, you, you know you get rid of

651

00:29:40,578 --> 00:29:42,862

Michael: that, uh, the, the sugar coating of what

652

00:29:42,922 --> 00:29:45,234

Michael: being a father is and what the relationship

653

00:29:45,374 --> 00:29:48,463

Michael: is and how it's always, you know, um, you

654

00:29:48,603 --> 00:29:51,251

Michael: always have your, the best interest of your

655

00:29:51,331 --> 00:29:54,158

Michael: kids at heart and not to say say that the

656

00:29:54,238 --> 00:29:55,762

Michael: fathers I played don't.

657

00:29:56,551 --> 00:30:00,158

Michael: But there's so much more to parenting and

658

00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:02,383

Michael: the dark sides of it.

659

00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:03,435

Michael: You know, and how you.

660

00:30:04,210 --> 00:30:05,574

Marc: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

661

00:30:05,614 --> 00:30:07,038

Marc: That's one thing I really liked about it

662

00:30:07,198 --> 00:30:09,433

Marc: was pitch you, the relationship with you

663

00:30:09,613 --> 00:30:10,636

Marc: and Kylie Bunbury.

664

00:30:10,877 --> 00:30:12,531

Marc: I think that her character, I think it was

665

00:30:12,551 --> 00:30:13,833

Marc: a little bit fraught, it was a little bit,

666

00:30:14,755 --> 00:30:15,477

Marc: it was complex.

667

00:30:15,537 --> 00:30:16,699

Marc: I'll say that it wasn't easily.

668

00:30:16,780 --> 00:30:18,563

Marc: You know most of when you show.

669

00:30:18,603 --> 00:30:20,595

Michael: It was mostly flashbacks of course, Right,

670

00:30:20,655 --> 00:30:22,941

Michael: and he's a hard ass and he's, you know, and

671

00:30:22,961 --> 00:30:25,672

Michael: the question is do did he push his daughter

672

00:30:26,293 --> 00:30:28,375

Michael: into something that she wasn't?

673

00:30:28,776 --> 00:30:31,278

Michael: Uh, that is something that she didn't want

674

00:30:31,299 --> 00:30:31,659

Michael: to do.

675

00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,721

Michael: You know, is that something that?

676

00:30:35,043 --> 00:30:37,466

Michael: That you know, that their contentious

677

00:30:37,566 --> 00:30:41,915

Michael: relationship, but what I really loved about

678

00:30:42,116 --> 00:30:45,602

Michael: that that show, and that you know we didn't

679

00:30:45,642 --> 00:31:17,231

Michael: get a long time to do it and it you know it

680

00:31:17,251 --> 00:31:18,874

Michael: was, it was, I think, anyway, much more in

681

00:31:18,894 --> 00:31:19,835

Michael: line with a real father daughter or even

682

00:31:19,855 --> 00:31:20,897

Michael: father son relationship, you know, because,

683

00:31:20,917 --> 00:31:22,079

Michael: was some of his failures being foisted on

684

00:31:22,099 --> 00:31:22,259

Michael: her?

685

00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:23,621

Michael: You know, like, like you know, I, you need

686

00:31:23,661 --> 00:31:24,002

Michael: to succeed.

687

00:31:24,022 --> 00:31:24,884

Michael: You need to succeed where he didn't, and

688

00:31:24,904 --> 00:31:25,705

Michael: I'm pushing you beyond, beyond where I

689

00:31:25,725 --> 00:31:25,885

Michael: should.

690

00:31:25,905 --> 00:31:28,170

Michael: I love bringing some of that in because

691

00:31:28,231 --> 00:31:31,035

Michael: that's much more real, you know, and in the

692

00:31:31,195 --> 00:31:34,219

Michael: end, did it help her or did it hurt her?

693

00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:38,886

Michael: You know, and, uh, that really is kind of

694

00:31:39,050 --> 00:31:41,779

Michael: left up to the viewer, although obviously

695

00:31:42,361 --> 00:31:44,328

Michael: you know she's the first woman to play in

696

00:31:44,348 --> 00:31:45,331

Michael: the major league either.

697

00:31:45,351 --> 00:31:47,941

Marc: There are certain series I wish had more

698

00:31:48,022 --> 00:31:49,186

Marc: seasons because I think there was

699

00:31:49,648 --> 00:31:50,753

Marc: definitely more story there.

700

00:31:50,773 --> 00:31:51,417

Marc: I could you know that.

701

00:31:51,437 --> 00:31:52,583

Marc: That's one of those things my daughter

702

00:31:52,945 --> 00:31:53,367

Marc: really loved.

703

00:31:53,387 --> 00:31:55,636

Marc: That baseball is kind of a great medium to

704

00:31:55,676 --> 00:31:57,873

Marc: tell stories in, but the interesting thing

705

00:31:57,933 --> 00:31:59,238

Marc: is she's being the first female playing

706

00:31:59,278 --> 00:31:59,680

Marc: baseball.

707

00:31:59,870 --> 00:32:01,636

Marc: The relationship you all had was more what

708

00:32:01,677 --> 00:32:04,076

Marc: you'd think of like cliche father-son kind

709

00:32:04,116 --> 00:32:04,578

Marc: of a thing.

710

00:32:05,711 --> 00:32:08,560

Marc: Now, going forward, you're doing Mary

711

00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:08,961

Marc: Kingstown.

712

00:32:09,170 --> 00:32:10,236

Marc: How's Jeremy Renner doing?

713

00:32:10,573 --> 00:32:11,890

Marc: I've been watching some of his videos.

714

00:32:12,571 --> 00:32:14,213

Marc: He seems to be just kind of bouncing back.

715

00:32:14,554 --> 00:32:15,275

Marc: He really is.

716

00:32:15,716 --> 00:32:20,042

Michael: I mean, that was the big question how much

717

00:32:20,122 --> 00:32:21,505

Michael: will he be able to do?

718

00:32:21,645 --> 00:32:26,297

Michael: Because this is the first job that he's had

719

00:32:26,437 --> 00:32:30,483

Michael: since his accident, and so I think

720

00:32:31,024 --> 00:32:33,694

Michael: obviously they took that all into account.

721

00:32:33,754 --> 00:32:36,058

Michael: They spoke to Jeremy and how he felt that

722

00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:40,732

Michael: Hugh Dillon and he are pretty close, and so

723

00:32:40,772 --> 00:32:41,193

Michael: they were.

724

00:32:41,273 --> 00:32:42,895

Michael: They said, ok, what we're going to do is

725

00:32:43,236 --> 00:32:47,183

Michael: we're going to cut back on his on his time

726

00:32:47,684 --> 00:32:48,225

Michael: on set.

727

00:32:48,410 --> 00:32:51,479

Michael: You know so, whereas before it was he was

728

00:32:51,780 --> 00:32:54,031

Michael: always around, now they're going to say, oh

729

00:32:54,051 --> 00:32:56,454

Michael: well, we're going to find days where he

730

00:32:56,975 --> 00:33:00,719

Michael: works one or two scenes and then days where

731

00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:04,043

Michael: he's off completely so that he has the

732

00:33:04,103 --> 00:33:06,606

Michael: ability to rest and recuperate.

733

00:33:07,612 --> 00:33:10,918

Michael: And he's still working out and taking care

734

00:33:10,938 --> 00:33:13,142

Michael: of himself and getting the treatment that

735

00:33:13,182 --> 00:33:15,727

Michael: he needs and taking care of himself and

736

00:33:15,747 --> 00:33:17,270

Michael: getting the treatment that he needs.

737

00:33:17,270 --> 00:33:18,513

Michael: But you know, when you talk to him he says

738

00:33:18,574 --> 00:33:21,381

Michael: he has felt stronger each and every week

739

00:33:22,350 --> 00:33:24,418

Michael: and being on set with him you can tell

740

00:33:25,975 --> 00:33:27,600

Michael: You're like this guy's an animal man.

741

00:33:28,231 --> 00:33:29,375

Marc: Yeah, because I looked at some of his

742

00:33:29,415 --> 00:33:31,653

Marc: YouTube not YouTube, I'm sorry Instagram

743

00:33:31,693 --> 00:33:32,457

Marc: stuff he had posted.

744

00:33:32,510 --> 00:33:33,254

Marc: I was like man, he's put in some work.

745

00:33:33,274 --> 00:33:33,496

Marc: A poor guy.

746

00:33:33,516 --> 00:33:34,280

Marc: I mean it's like not YouTube, I'm sorry

747

00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:34,883

Marc: Instagram stuff he had posted.

748

00:33:34,904 --> 00:33:35,728

Marc: I was like man he's, he's put in some work.

749

00:33:35,748 --> 00:33:35,949

Marc: A poor guy.

750

00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:37,595

Marc: Man, it's like I don't you know that

751

00:33:37,635 --> 00:33:38,678

Marc: might've just done me in.

752

00:33:38,738 --> 00:33:41,150

Michael: I mean like all right, yeah, I feel the

753

00:33:41,170 --> 00:33:43,251

Michael: same way, but he's a workhorse, you know,

754

00:33:43,592 --> 00:33:45,172

Michael: and he's he's enjoying it.

755

00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:49,234

Michael: You know he's not here, um, uh, you know,

756

00:33:49,354 --> 00:33:51,095

Michael: fighting at like, oh, I shouldn't have done

757

00:33:51,135 --> 00:33:51,895

Michael: this, I shouldn't have.

758

00:33:52,236 --> 00:33:54,417

Michael: No, he's enjoying it and he, you know,

759

00:33:54,597 --> 00:33:58,599

Michael: obviously the the one of the one of the

760

00:33:58,859 --> 00:34:03,201

Michael: good things about him coming him, obviously

761

00:34:03,261 --> 00:34:06,582

Michael: him being able to come back, but but being

762

00:34:06,883 --> 00:34:11,365

Michael: cognizant of whether or not how far we can

763

00:34:11,485 --> 00:34:15,647

Michael: push him, you know, was that the story

764

00:34:15,907 --> 00:34:19,228

Michael: lines opened up for other characters.

765

00:34:20,850 --> 00:34:21,572

Michael: Oh, true, true, true, yeah, yeah.

766

00:34:21,612 --> 00:34:24,460

Michael: So so I think you have a it's listen, it's

767

00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:28,599

Michael: his show, it's about the mayor and he's the

768

00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,052

Michael: driving force, and that doesn't change at

769

00:34:31,193 --> 00:34:31,333

Michael: all.

770

00:34:31,513 --> 00:34:32,314

Michael: And you will.

771

00:34:33,076 --> 00:34:35,560

Michael: You see, jeremy, you know he's the guy

772

00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:57,971

Michael: who's on on screen most of the time, but in

773

00:34:58,212 --> 00:35:00,115

Michael: order to accommodate him, the writers,

774

00:35:00,155 --> 00:35:01,317

Michael: producers, opened it up a little bit more's.

775

00:35:01,357 --> 00:35:03,001

Michael: One of the one of the benefits that the

776

00:35:03,021 --> 00:35:04,904

Michael: that the show and the audience is going to

777

00:35:04,944 --> 00:35:05,866

Michael: uh partake in is that it's much more uh.

778

00:35:05,886 --> 00:35:07,970

Michael: You get much more um detail from the other

779

00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:09,417

Michael: characters in their storyline.

780

00:35:09,538 --> 00:35:10,966

Marc: It's kind of like even the rookie I mean

781

00:35:11,006 --> 00:35:13,434

Marc: you know nathan fillion, of course it's the

782

00:35:13,474 --> 00:35:14,517

Marc: rookie, he's the rookie, you rookie, you

783

00:35:14,537 --> 00:35:16,803

Marc: know, but really it's a great ensemble.

784

00:35:16,850 --> 00:35:17,955

Marc: The same kind of a deal there.

785

00:35:18,171 --> 00:35:20,780

Marc: But I was curious are you at liberty to say

786

00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:22,576

Marc: are we going to be seeing you showing back

787

00:35:22,636 --> 00:35:23,439

Marc: up in Tulsa King?

788

00:35:23,590 --> 00:35:25,780

Marc: I know they're shooting the new season.

789

00:35:25,870 --> 00:35:27,351

Marc: Are you at liberty to discuss that?

790

00:35:27,531 --> 00:35:27,731

Marc: Or?

791

00:35:27,951 --> 00:35:32,213

Michael: Yeah, no, I'm very much in the new season

792

00:35:32,253 --> 00:35:33,094

Michael: of Tulsa King.

793

00:35:33,954 --> 00:35:35,635

Marc: Then they moved production up to Atlanta, I

794

00:35:35,675 --> 00:35:36,716

Marc: think, didn't they?

795

00:35:36,836 --> 00:35:37,797

Marc: Okay, we went from.

796

00:35:37,817 --> 00:35:39,818

Michael: Oklahoma to Atlanta yes.

797

00:35:40,238 --> 00:35:42,399

Marc: Now, as far as Rookie, I'd be remiss.

798

00:35:42,579 --> 00:35:44,960

Marc: I'm so glad because I know after the first

799

00:35:45,001 --> 00:35:46,862

Marc: season there was a little bit of not sure

800

00:35:47,162 --> 00:35:48,943

Marc: how it's going to go, and then they just

801

00:35:48,963 --> 00:35:50,984

Marc: hit 100 episodes, I think.

802

00:35:51,004 --> 00:35:53,565

Marc: Right yeah, how did the Rookie come to you?

803

00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:56,427

Marc: Just one of those casting things like any

804

00:35:56,507 --> 00:35:56,687

Marc: other.

805

00:35:56,887 --> 00:35:58,548

Marc: Is there a story behind that?

806

00:36:06,338 --> 00:36:09,266

Michael: I actually auditioned for Richard T Jones'

807

00:36:09,286 --> 00:36:09,707

Michael: character.

808

00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:13,456

Michael: It's one of the last big auditions I

809

00:36:13,476 --> 00:36:13,979

Michael: actually had.

810

00:36:13,999 --> 00:36:15,126

Michael: I still know cause I I still audition, but

811

00:36:15,227 --> 00:36:17,133

Michael: not that often, not that much.

812

00:36:17,834 --> 00:36:21,381

Michael: But that, uh, you know it came down to

813

00:36:21,442 --> 00:36:23,913

Michael: Richard and I, and you know remember the

814

00:36:24,113 --> 00:36:27,039

Michael: old uh and I guess it wasn't that old

815

00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:29,463

Michael: because the show has been on seven years

816

00:36:29,524 --> 00:36:32,514

Michael: now or so, but when you would go into to

817

00:36:32,615 --> 00:36:35,139

Michael: network, uh, audition, uh, audition.

818

00:36:35,479 --> 00:36:40,313

Marc: So, uh, it came down to me and richard um,

819

00:36:40,734 --> 00:36:42,137

Marc: a lot of chefs in the kitchen when it comes

820

00:36:42,157 --> 00:36:44,222

Marc: to network, uh, so you know procedurals

821

00:36:44,262 --> 00:36:45,011

Marc: like that, right?

822

00:36:45,191 --> 00:36:47,237

Michael: right and basically you know, for those who

823

00:36:47,257 --> 00:36:49,262

Michael: don't know, when you network, you go into a

824

00:36:49,362 --> 00:36:52,217

Michael: room and you have the all the studio people

825

00:36:52,317 --> 00:36:53,861

Michael: and all the network people.

826

00:36:57,550 --> 00:36:59,841

Michael: You can have upwards of 25 people in the

827

00:36:59,861 --> 00:37:01,669

Michael: room and you're doing your audition for

828

00:37:01,689 --> 00:37:05,160

Michael: them and then the next guy goes in.

829

00:37:06,313 --> 00:37:08,031

Michael: When you get to that stage, there's only

830

00:37:08,091 --> 00:37:12,381

Michael: like three, maybe four guys vying for the

831

00:37:12,441 --> 00:37:13,103

Michael: same role.

832

00:37:13,710 --> 00:37:16,097

Michael: So I went in, I auditioned for that.

833

00:37:16,498 --> 00:37:23,717

Michael: Clearly, Richard got it and I guess I don't

834

00:37:23,757 --> 00:37:26,562

Michael: know at what point the creator of the show

835

00:37:27,223 --> 00:37:32,177

Michael: asked if I would come on as a recurring to

836

00:37:32,558 --> 00:37:35,023

Michael: play the role I did, which actually happens

837

00:37:35,103 --> 00:37:35,724

Michael: to me a lot.

838

00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:37,757

Michael: I mean, that's what happened to me on ER.

839

00:37:40,172 --> 00:37:41,174

Michael: I actually had to.

840

00:37:41,555 --> 00:37:44,121

Michael: You know, I went in multiple times to

841

00:37:44,241 --> 00:37:47,497

Michael: network and of course that goes back, you

842

00:37:47,537 --> 00:37:48,499

Michael: know, 30 years.

843

00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:49,783

Michael: Yeah, yeah.

844

00:37:51,411 --> 00:37:53,098

Marc: I don't think people realize that nowadays.

845

00:37:53,310 --> 00:37:55,258

Marc: You mentioned ER just as a side note.

846

00:37:55,930 --> 00:37:57,556

Marc: How, with all the networks and all the

847

00:37:57,596 --> 00:38:00,135

Marc: streaming and all that, how big a show like

848

00:38:00,316 --> 00:38:01,901

Marc: ER was at the time.

849

00:38:02,391 --> 00:38:05,280

Marc: I don't know the weekly numbers they had,

850

00:38:05,431 --> 00:38:06,121

Marc: but it was insanity.

851

00:38:07,232 --> 00:38:07,934

Michael: Those numbers.

852

00:38:08,496 --> 00:38:12,734

Michael: That will never happen again because you

853

00:38:12,774 --> 00:38:19,064

Michael: have so many, so many uh uh uh streaming

854

00:38:19,164 --> 00:38:22,534

Michael: and network and ancillary other network,

855

00:38:22,554 --> 00:38:25,219

Michael: you know whatever uh that you can watch.

856

00:38:25,299 --> 00:38:29,134

Marc: Back then you had like four networks uh

857

00:38:29,897 --> 00:38:31,362

Marc: well, did I see somewhere that you and eric

858

00:38:31,402 --> 00:38:33,450

Marc: lasalle were were it's kind of the same

859

00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:34,186

Marc: thing with you and richard t jones, but

860

00:38:34,128 --> 00:38:34,694

Marc: back with er?

861

00:38:34,636 --> 00:38:35,069

Marc: Didn't you and Eric LaSalle were?

862

00:38:35,011 --> 00:38:35,371

Marc: It's kind of the same thing with you and

863

00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:35,548

Marc: Richard T Jones, but back with ER?

864

00:38:35,650 --> 00:38:38,177

Marc: Didn't you and Eric LaSalle have kind of an

865

00:38:38,217 --> 00:38:38,598

Marc: auditioning?

866

00:38:38,618 --> 00:38:39,922

Marc: The same kind of auditioning scenario.

867

00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:42,095

Michael: Well, literally, I mean for me back then it

868

00:38:42,155 --> 00:38:45,643

Michael: was, I auditioned against Wendell Pierce.

869

00:38:48,333 --> 00:38:50,758

Michael: They moved on from Wendell and then I

870

00:38:50,818 --> 00:38:52,763

Michael: auditioned with Andre Brower.

871

00:38:53,250 --> 00:38:55,051

Michael: You know they moved on with Andre.

872

00:38:55,091 --> 00:38:56,214

Michael: They had me come back.

873

00:38:56,856 --> 00:39:01,508

Michael: I auditioned against Isaiah Washington, you

874

00:39:01,568 --> 00:39:02,871

Michael: know on, you know.

875

00:39:02,951 --> 00:39:04,695

Michael: So they kept moving on, but they kept

876

00:39:04,755 --> 00:39:08,731

Michael: bringing me back in and it's too bad those

877

00:39:08,751 --> 00:39:10,313

Michael: guys didn't end up having a career after

878

00:39:10,333 --> 00:39:10,493

Michael: that.

879

00:39:10,553 --> 00:39:12,316

Marc: I tell you, yeah.

880

00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:17,184

Michael: And then actually I had called Eric.

881

00:39:17,544 --> 00:39:19,914

Michael: I called him E, you know, he's my best

882

00:39:19,974 --> 00:39:20,616

Michael: friend actually.

883

00:39:21,398 --> 00:39:22,119

Michael: I called him.

884

00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,051

Michael: He was doing a show in Portland, oregon,

885

00:39:25,953 --> 00:39:28,638

Michael: where he was recurring and I said Listen,

886

00:39:28,698 --> 00:39:32,933

Michael: man, there's this great pilot that they

887

00:39:32,993 --> 00:39:34,518

Michael: keep bringing me in on.

888

00:39:34,879 --> 00:39:37,127

Michael: Obviously, I think John Wells and Michael

889

00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:40,198

Michael: Crichton didn't really wanted me, but the

890

00:39:40,278 --> 00:39:41,341

Michael: network did not.

891

00:39:42,844 --> 00:39:45,070

Michael: So I called him up and I said you better

892

00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:48,697

Michael: get your butt down here and audition for

893

00:39:48,717 --> 00:39:49,779

Michael: this show, you know.

894

00:39:50,361 --> 00:39:52,430

Michael: And so he made some calls and blah, blah,

895

00:39:52,450 --> 00:39:54,934

Michael: blah, and he got down and he and then he

896

00:39:55,014 --> 00:39:55,354

Michael: went in.

897

00:39:55,454 --> 00:39:58,879

Michael: Now they had already been shooting, so they

898

00:39:58,919 --> 00:40:02,804

Michael: were almost two weeks into the pilot before

899

00:40:02,904 --> 00:40:04,646

Michael: Benton was actually cast.

900

00:40:24,732 --> 00:40:26,360

Michael: He got it and and and then John Wells said

901

00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,566

Michael: we want you to play this, this recurring

902

00:40:27,586 --> 00:40:28,330

Michael: character that we have plans for.

903

00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:35,243

Michael: No-transcript, I'm not playing the same

904

00:40:35,303 --> 00:40:39,068

Michael: character, but I went to the same show and

905

00:40:39,469 --> 00:40:41,893

Michael: I was a recurring and then I signed with

906

00:40:41,973 --> 00:40:46,082

Michael: CBS to become a regular, and so when John

907

00:40:46,302 --> 00:40:48,445

Michael: called and said listen, we want you to come

908

00:40:48,605 --> 00:40:51,449

Michael: on to your and it had already been a

909

00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:55,554

Michael: monster hit, because it was a monster hit

910

00:40:55,875 --> 00:40:56,776

Michael: right out the gate.

911

00:40:58,162 --> 00:40:59,850

Michael: Yeah, first two episodes.

912

00:40:59,910 --> 00:41:00,955

Michael: It was a monster hit right out the gate.

913

00:41:00,975 --> 00:41:02,702

Michael: Yeah, first two episodes it was gone, but

914

00:41:02,762 --> 00:41:04,087

Michael: CBS wouldn't let me go.

915

00:41:06,020 --> 00:41:11,424

Michael: So if you, the first season, my character,

916

00:41:11,644 --> 00:41:15,133

Michael: al Boulay, was played by Wolfgang Boddison.

917

00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,308

Michael: He had one scene in the very end of the

918

00:41:19,388 --> 00:41:22,382

Michael: season with Gloria Rubin who had come on as

919

00:41:22,422 --> 00:41:27,535

Michael: a recurring, and so you know, that was kind

920

00:41:27,555 --> 00:41:28,497

Michael: of over, you know.

921

00:41:28,517 --> 00:41:33,188

Michael: And then in the summer break my contract

922

00:41:33,229 --> 00:41:35,413

Michael: with CBS was over because the show didn't

923

00:41:35,453 --> 00:41:38,325

Michael: get picked up and John Wells calls me and

924

00:41:38,345 --> 00:41:40,653

Michael: says, hey, listen, we want you to play this

925

00:41:40,753 --> 00:41:42,659

Michael: character that we wanted you for last

926

00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:42,860

Michael: season.

927

00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,508

Michael: I said, well, you already have Wolfgang and

928

00:41:45,548 --> 00:41:46,451

Michael: he's established.

929

00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:48,647

Michael: And and they said, no, don't worry about it,

930

00:41:48,707 --> 00:41:50,221

Michael: don't worry about it, we want you to come

931

00:41:50,302 --> 00:41:50,402

Michael: in.

932

00:41:50,462 --> 00:41:54,710

Michael: So so I, I came in in the second season and

933

00:41:54,790 --> 00:42:00,121

Michael: I started playing, playing Al Boulay in the

934

00:42:00,141 --> 00:42:01,423

Michael: second season and I started playing, um,

935

00:42:01,443 --> 00:42:02,745

Michael: playing Al Boulay, and I actually I I had

936

00:42:02,765 --> 00:42:03,607

Michael: one of the I think one of the best

937

00:42:03,627 --> 00:42:05,410

Michael: storylines on on TV that I've had.

938

00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:09,082

Michael: Uh, I've had some great ones in in uh,

939

00:42:09,142 --> 00:42:11,206

Michael: since then, obviously that's 30 years ago,

940

00:42:11,266 --> 00:42:15,074

Michael: but I've, uh, I really really loved that

941

00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:15,842

Michael: storyline in.

942

00:42:15,922 --> 00:42:16,424

Marc: Atlanta.

943

00:42:16,444 --> 00:42:17,587

Marc: I mean that, that that was one of the

944

00:42:17,647 --> 00:42:19,251

Marc: all-time greatest ensembles.

945

00:42:19,352 --> 00:42:19,681

Marc: I mean it.

946

00:42:19,741 --> 00:42:20,704

Marc: Just I don't know.

947

00:42:20,824 --> 00:42:22,288

Marc: I wonder whatever happened to george

948

00:42:22,329 --> 00:42:23,721

Marc: clooney, though I mean he was pretty good,

949

00:42:23,761 --> 00:42:24,824

Marc: yeah, you know.

950

00:42:25,365 --> 00:42:27,871

Marc: Okay, somewhere now, as far as like right

951

00:42:27,891 --> 00:42:29,784

Marc: now, you're like you said, tulsa king's

952

00:42:29,804 --> 00:42:30,769

Marc: going to be coming up, you're working

953

00:42:30,789 --> 00:42:32,457

Marc: america, kingstown, you know what other

954

00:42:32,497 --> 00:42:34,221

Marc: stuff you know are you working on or is

955

00:42:34,241 --> 00:42:35,363

Marc: going to be coming out here soon.

956

00:42:35,523 --> 00:42:38,406

Michael: Well, I also have a show that I recur on

957

00:42:38,546 --> 00:42:42,811

Michael: that just premiered on Netflix, called Dead

958

00:42:42,851 --> 00:42:47,096

Michael: Boy Detectives, which is very different.

959

00:42:47,156 --> 00:42:53,489

Michael: It's like this kind of supernatural show

960

00:42:53,549 --> 00:42:57,014

Michael: for the younger crowd, which was a lot of

961

00:42:57,074 --> 00:43:06,763

Michael: fun for me, for the younger crowd, which

962

00:43:06,823 --> 00:43:08,606

Michael: was a lot of fun for me where I play a man

963

00:43:08,626 --> 00:43:10,089

Michael: who was a walrus through most of his life

964

00:43:10,109 --> 00:43:12,233

Michael: and now is fighting to become a walrus

965

00:43:12,273 --> 00:43:14,242

Michael: again because he doesn't appreciate being a

966

00:43:14,322 --> 00:43:14,643

Michael: man.

967

00:43:16,026 --> 00:43:16,929

Michael: So that was fun.

968

00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:21,238

Michael: And and I have another uh, something that

969

00:43:21,439 --> 00:43:23,984

Michael: I'm pretty sure is going to be a big show

970

00:43:24,084 --> 00:43:28,512

Michael: for Netflix, called the perfect couple Um,

971

00:43:28,873 --> 00:43:31,723

Michael: but I don't have any details on when that

972

00:43:32,103 --> 00:43:35,589

Michael: when that's going to be uh, premiered or,

973

00:43:35,869 --> 00:43:37,272

Michael: uh, even when they're going to start

974

00:43:38,193 --> 00:43:38,814

Michael: pushing that.

975

00:43:38,854 --> 00:43:41,784

Michael: But that's got a, an amazing cast led by,

976

00:43:42,005 --> 00:43:45,492

Michael: uh, led by Nicole Kidman and Liev Schreiber,

977

00:43:45,732 --> 00:43:46,033

Michael: you know.

978

00:43:46,073 --> 00:43:50,507

Michael: So, um, uh, you know that's, that's what's

979

00:43:50,868 --> 00:43:53,353

Michael: in the coming out, that's already shot.

980

00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,266

Marc: One of my favorite actors, uh guys, shows

981

00:43:56,326 --> 00:43:56,907

Marc: up on a lot of stuff.

982