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May 3, 2022

Neil deGrasse Tyson | Your Personal Astrophysicist

Neil deGrasse Tyson | Your Personal Astrophysicist

On this episode of The Story & Craft Podcast, we sit down with astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson from the Hayden Planetarium.  It was a great chat where we discussed his new book, “Welcome to The Universe in 3D: A Visual Tour.”  We also discussed his origin story, his favorite sci-fi and more - including the chance meeting and collaboration with Seth MacFarlane that brought Cosmos back to TV.  Neil is a great educator and guide to many that like to look up to the sky for inspiration.  It was a pleasure to talk story with the dynamic personality that is “Your Personal Astrophysicist”, Neil deGrasse Tyson.

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

0:03:35 - Neil deGrasse Tyson Reflects on Cosmos

0:07:56 - Talented Adults Shaped Our Interests

0:09:29 - Astrophysics, Role Models, and Lost Knowledge

0:18:08 - NASA, Private Enterprise, and Space Exploration

0:22:25 - Making the Universe Accessible

0:29:02 - Living on Mars

0:30:17 - Science in Movies and Space-Time Concept

0:41:22 - Cosmos on Disney Plus

0:44:53 - Childhood Crushes and TV Shows

0:48:59 - Dream Job

0:53:42 - Time Travel and Paradoxes

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Transcript
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: At the time I became friends with Seth



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: McFarlane.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: He came up to me and says you know, I came



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: into some money recently.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is there any good I can do?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said, oh my gosh, why don't you, you



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: know, fund a pilot for Cosmos so we can



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: show people what it's gonna look like?



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Announcer: Welcome to Story and Craft.



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Announcer: Now here's your host, Marc Preston.



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Marc Preston: Alright, here we go Back again.



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Marc Preston: Story and Craft.



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Marc Preston: How are you?



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Marc Preston: I'm, Marc, Pleasure to have you here.



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Marc Preston: If you're coming back, another episode.



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Marc Preston: Thank you so much for joining me once again.



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Marc Preston: If you're brand new, this is your first



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Marc Preston: episode, Boy, did you choose a good one to



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Marc Preston: check out?



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Marc Preston: Thank you for stopping by this episode.



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Marc Preston: Neil deGrasse Tyson he doesn't need an



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Marc Preston: introduction.



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Marc Preston: I mean, who doesn't know Neil deGrasse



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Marc Preston: Tyson?



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Marc Preston: Astrophysicist from the Hayden Planetarium



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Marc Preston: and just a real cool personality.



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Marc Preston: Really enjoyed this chat.



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Marc Preston: We discussed a lot of things.



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Marc Preston: Of course, his new book, Welcome to the



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Marc Preston: Universe in 3D, a visual tour, Kind of an



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Marc Preston: interactive book.



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Marc Preston: We'll discuss that also.



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Marc Preston: Just generally, his origin story.



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Marc Preston: What kind of sci-fi movies he enjoys.



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Marc Preston: Which ones does he think are on point and



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Marc Preston: accurate scientifically speaking?



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Marc Preston: And of course, we're going to discuss Carl



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Marc Preston: Sagan and the chance meeting he had with



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Marc Preston: Seth McFarlane that brought Cosmos back to



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Marc Preston: TV.



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Marc Preston: And if you want to learn anything at all



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Marc Preston: about Story and Craft, send me a message,



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Marc Preston: voicemail, sign up for the newsletter,



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Marc Preston: follow on social media.



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Marc Preston: Easy, easy, All you got to do is go to



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Marc Preston: Storyandcraftpod.com Once again.



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Marc Preston: Storyandcraftpod.com, Follow the show.



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Marc Preston: If you will like, leave a review.



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Marc Preston: I mean, just love the fact you're here.



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Marc Preston: Thanks so much for being a part of the



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Marc Preston: mischief that I am stirring up twice a week



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Marc Preston: now.



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Marc Preston: Don't forget Tuesdays and Thursdays.



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Marc Preston: We are releasing an episode.



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Marc Preston: Let's get right after it.



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Marc Preston: It is Neil DeGrasse Tyson Day right here on



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Marc Preston: Story and Craft.



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Marc Preston: Well, Dr Tyson, thank you for taking time



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Marc Preston: out.



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Marc Preston: And Neil, please, I got to be honest, I did



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Marc Preston: very little prep for this because I'm like



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Marc Preston: I don't want this to be an interrogation.



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Marc Preston: I'm going okay, Marc, you can ask a



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Marc Preston: gazillion questions you really want the



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Marc Preston: answers to and it was really funny my



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Marc Preston: We were talking.



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Marc Preston: I was like you know, I got some interviews.



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Marc Preston: I got to talk to actors, directors, Like,



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Marc Preston: do you think I should talk to you?



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Marc Preston: She grew up as well as my other two kids on



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Marc Preston: Cosmos.



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Announcer: She's like Neil DeGrasse Tyson.



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Marc Preston: I was like, obviously, so here we are.



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Marc Preston: So my 16-year-old executive producer just



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Marc Preston: arranged, but congratulations on the new



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Marc Preston: book.



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Marc Preston: What a cool idea for a book though 3D



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Marc Preston: visual tour.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, it was a little bit audacious because



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in the world of very high production value,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: visualizations in movies and TV and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: immersive video games, so to have like this



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: thing, which is kind of a retro technology,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: it's two images merged into one in your



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: brain with the help of this viewer.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But people don't do this with cosmic



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: objects, right, and we did it with cosmic



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: objects.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So the moon pops and the moon goes from



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: being a picture of the moon to being a



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: place called the moon that is there in



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: front of you and it becomes more real and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: visceral and you end up feeling the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: universe in addition to thinking about it,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and I think that's its value.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Just, welcome to the universe in 3D.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: By the way, the, as I said on the on that



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: show, we decided kind of at the last minute



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that I would narrate every caption and load



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that up to bonus content in the Welcome to



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the Universenet web page and in that bonus



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: content as you go through one picture at



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the next, and then I use my planetarium



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: voice to narrate each caption.



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Marc Preston: That brings up a really interesting point.



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Marc Preston: My my kids are like is he always like that



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Marc Preston: in interviews?



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Marc Preston: Like, is there so used to you on Cosmos



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Marc Preston: being this wonderful narrator, this tour



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Marc Preston: guide, is it worth?



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Marc Preston: I was like no, I love his enthusiasm and



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Marc Preston: I'm like that's, that's Neil deGrasse Tyson



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Marc Preston: that I've grown to love.



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Marc Preston: And they're like wow, that's kind of cool.



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Marc Preston: You see, you're still kind of a kid?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, I mean Cosmos.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's so much that had to come together



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: to make that work.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: We thought of possibly filming it, just me



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: ad-libbing all the content.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But the timing of everything had to fit.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: With the animations, with the, with the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: special effects, with the, with the, the,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the, the, the narrations, above other



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: storytelling, all that was this huge puzzle



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that had to fit together.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So every word had to fit the timing



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: perfectly, and so that's that's what we did.



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Marc Preston: It reminded me of something a seven, maybe



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Marc Preston: eight years old, somewhere between six and



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Marc Preston: eight, we'll call it that, and of course,



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Marc Preston: at that point in time we're the same age,



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Marc Preston: probably.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I'm thinking I'll remember.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Whatever, if it's a social-cultural thing,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'd be right in the middle of that.



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Marc Preston: Well, it was actually just kind of a



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Marc Preston: personal thing, because you're young, you



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Marc Preston: see the sun, you see the moon, you know



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Marc Preston: it's just there.



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Marc Preston: And I remember my parents got me a hardback



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Marc Preston: book.



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Marc Preston: It was about Ye Big.



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Marc Preston: It was a big, big glossy cover and it's a



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Marc Preston: big picture book.



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Marc Preston: It wasn't kind of cartoony illustrations



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Marc Preston: but of the universe, and I remember it was



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Marc Preston: the very first time I had a sense and it's



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Marc Preston: almost an intimidating way of the bigness



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Marc Preston: of the universe.



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Marc Preston: It was the first time I was exposed to that,



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Marc Preston: but at the same time I became deeply



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Marc Preston: intrigued by it, you know.



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Marc Preston: So to the point that I've still never



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Marc Preston: gotten a telescope.



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Marc Preston: That's been something that's been on my



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Marc Preston: agenda since I was six.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No excuse there, but I can tell you my



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: version of that was I realized just how big



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the Earth was all right, the fact that you



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: had to get into an airplane and fly for



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: hours at hundreds of miles an hour just to



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: go to another country.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: To me Earth was huge.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And then to realize that Earth is small



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: compared to the universe, I was already



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: getting my huge mojo going there, you know,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: trying to contemplate things much larger



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: than your backyard.



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Marc Preston: You know another thing?



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Marc Preston: I did, do a little bit of research, Found



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Marc Preston: out you went to UT I'm a native Texan and I



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Marc Preston: was like wait, you're a longhorn, let's



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Marc Preston: complete the origin story.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I was born and raised in New York City,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: attended the public schools all throughout



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the K through 12.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: My high school, however, was the Bronx High



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: School of Science.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I was born and raised in the Bronx.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That high school boasts eight Nobel



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: laureates among its graduates, so it's



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: quite the place for stimulating creative



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: thinking.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: There I went on to major in physics at



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Harvard and then afterwards went to the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: University of Texas at Austin and got two



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: master's degrees.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: From there I went to Columbia University



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: for my PhD in astrophysics and from there



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: then I was called a postdoc, which is what



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You spend a few years in sort of free



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: research, unfettered research.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I postdoc at Princeton University so that's



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: probably how that showed up in your tally



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and from there I was courted by the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: American Museum of Natural History, who



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: planetarium, which was growing long of



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: tooth, and so I helped them rethink and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: reimagine the new place, got in some very



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: creative architects, exhibit designers, and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: then I became director of that facility,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: which was the first place I'd ever seen a



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: dark sky was the Hayden Planetarium.



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Marc Preston: It begs the question of were you wanting to



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Marc Preston: do this at a young age, or is that



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Marc Preston: something your parents like?



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Marc Preston: Let's get him to this school.



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Marc Preston: He's a smart guy.



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Marc Preston: Let's see where this takes us.



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Marc Preston: Or was that more something?



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Marc Preston: Was that a path that you kind of initiated,



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Marc Preston: you know, like you wanted to go to this



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The role models I want to be you.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, you want to be.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You want to have this thing about them.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, you are an individual.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Stay that way.



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Marc Preston: That's how I've always felt you kind of



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I do astrophysics.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, tell me about black holes and quasars



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Marc Preston: I've got to remember that one.



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Marc Preston: I love that.



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Marc Preston: previously, and that information is just



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: There is certainly information, regional



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: access to a scientific understanding of the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: physical universe that we do not today,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that is not a feasible suggestion.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That is not plausible Only because I'm not



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: because I want it to be true, but it



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: sensibly stated as fact, because it's a



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: very likely fact, because so much of what



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: we do know about the world was only enabled



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: by the invention of methods and tools of



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: science the telescope, the microscope, the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: particle accelerator, space travel, space



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: probes.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Ancients had none of this.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: They only had their five senses, which are



464


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: weak and feeble at best.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: At best, Science and technology,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: engineering didn't take off until we could



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: replace our five senses with machines that



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: could do it better and faster and more



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: accurately and more reliably.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So no, there's not a bit of science that



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm imagining was known by the ancients and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the lost, and we're still going to have to



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: discover it one day.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't think that for a minute.



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Marc Preston: Well, very good, well, that kind of tethers



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Marc Preston: together.



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Marc Preston: The second part of the question is I'm



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Marc Preston: trying to figure out a way to ask you



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Marc Preston: without sounding at all political, because



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Marc Preston: it's not, but you can sound political, I



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Marc Preston: don't care.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: We live in a world that has politics right,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: so let's not stand a denial of that.



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Marc Preston: Well, in the US, depending on the century,



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Marc Preston: the idea of anti-intellectualism.



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Marc Preston: You're a scientist, Like you said.



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Marc Preston: Over the course of hundreds of millennia



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Marc Preston: we've come up with a scientific method.



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Marc Preston: What do you think about generally



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Marc Preston: anti-intellectualism?



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Marc Preston: Do you think there is an aspect of that in



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Marc Preston: our culture that kind of holds us back from



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Marc Preston: where we could be?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, anything, if we recognize science and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: technology as the engines of progress,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: however we might define that and we could



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: debate even that.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But let's assume progress in civilization



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: is something that's in the interest of your



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: health and longevity and harmony with the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: world.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And what civilization has done enabled,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: empowered by the methods and tools of



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: science, especially since the Industrial



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Revolution has greatly enhanced human



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: health, wealth and well-being.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So if anyone wants to stand against the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: intellectual foundations that bring these



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: discoveries to civilization that, by the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: way, in a free society, sure go ahead and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: do that.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But if you rise to power and then you have



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the power to legislate anti-intellectualism,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: then that's a regressive force on



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: civilization and you will delay future



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: discoveries on what would happen.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: By the way, you can ask why would someone



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: like that even arise in the modern world?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I don't remember there being much



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: anti-intellectualism in the 1960s, for



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: example, when we were going to the moon.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But I can tell you this that I know a lot



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: of people who are intellectuals and they



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: have like a disdain for those who are not,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and that's not good.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That can't end well.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's because intellectuals are



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: outnumbered by non-intellectuals, so that's



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: not going to end well.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But if you're an intellectual and you can't



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: have a conversation with someone without



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: having them feel inferior to you, then you



533


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: should just shut the fuck up, okay, go back



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: to the lab and get out of the public.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Pardon my language.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm just saying that you're.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The attitude that so many people have who



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: would count as intellectuals is



539


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: counterproductive if you want people to



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: embrace what it is intellectuals do.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The very title of intellectual carries a



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: value judgment, and so when I give public



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: talks, well, we introduce you.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, don't just say you're personal



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: astrophysicists.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: How about your degrees?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Don't even put the degrees.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: How about your PhD?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Don't that's irrelevant.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know why it's irrelevant?



551


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Because if you need to know what degree I



552


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: have to decide whether you're going to



553


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: listen to what I say, then my arguments



554


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: can't really be that compelling.



555


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The burden is on me to be compelling to you,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: without regard to status, educational or



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: otherwise.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's how I think about this.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I think the intellectuals are half to



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: blame for the intellectual, the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: anti-intellectual climate that we've seen



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in recent decades.



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Marc Preston: You had a wonderful quote.



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Marc Preston: I found this somewhere.



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Marc Preston: Don't even ask me where, because I don't



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Marc Preston: remember.



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Marc Preston: But if I'm misquoting you please let me



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Marc Preston: know.



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Marc Preston: But I love this.



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Marc Preston: You said the problem in society is not kids



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Marc Preston: not knowing science, the problem is adults



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Marc Preston: not knowing science.



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Marc Preston: They outnumber kids five to one, they wield



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Marc Preston: power, they write your legislation.



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Marc Preston: When you have scientifically literate



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Marc Preston: adults, you have—I'm sorry—when you have



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Marc Preston: scientifically illiterate adults—I need a



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Marc Preston: better glasses here—you have undermined the



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Marc Preston: very fabric of what makes a nation wealthy



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Marc Preston: and strong.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: For context, that came off of a question.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I've said that multiple ways and different



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: ways, but often it comes off of the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: question what do we need to do to get our



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: kids interested in science?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said kids are born curious about the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: world.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: They're born scientists.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm not worried about the kids, I'm worried



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: about the scientifically illiterate adults.



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Marc Preston: And then it leads into that entire set of



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Marc Preston: sentences that you accurately conveyed,



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Marc Preston: like coming out with this book again—let me



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Marc Preston: go and make sure I say a title—Welcome to



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Marc Preston: the Universe and 3D Visual Tour being



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Marc Preston: turned on by what's out.



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Marc Preston: There is such an easy thing.



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Marc Preston: It's infinite curiosity, there's infinite



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Marc Preston: bigness, you know.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I got good material.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The Universe is good material.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So, by the way, that book is one in a



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: series of four books.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't know if I said it at the beginning.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Welcome to the Universenet.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That website has all four books, the most



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: recent one in 3D and that's the one that



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: has my narration of the captions.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But that entire series is an attempt to



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: make the Universe accessible to you in many



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: different formats, because not everyone



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: receives knowledge in the same way.



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Marc Preston: When I was younger I remember watching the



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Marc Preston: movie the Right Stuff.



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Marc Preston: That era of space travel and that



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Marc Preston: excitement—you know about the 60s that



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Marc Preston: predated me a little bit, you know to where.



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Marc Preston: I wasn't as aware of it, but I was really



619


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Marc Preston: loved that movie.



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Marc Preston: It brought me to NASA.



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Marc Preston: I was always intrigued by NASA.



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Marc Preston: Now we're living in an era where you've got



623


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Marc Preston: private industry getting involved more



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Marc Preston: directly.



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Marc Preston: What are your thoughts about that kind of



626


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Marc Preston: How much should NASA be doing?



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Marc Preston: Our billionaires are getting involved.



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Marc Preston: Should NASA always be leading the charge,



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Marc Preston: you think, or do you think that private



631


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Marc Preston: industry really is going that direction?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's a simple answer, actually.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you want NASA to do things that have



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: never been done before?



635


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Private Enterprise has no business model to



636


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: justify doing things that have never been



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: done before.



638


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If that thing that has never been done



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: before is expensive and dangerous and has



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: no obvious return on the investment, then



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: they just simply won't do it.



642


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But you could do it as a vanity project,



643


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: right?



644


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So Bezos and Branson can get together and



645


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: say let's put humans on Mars.



646


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: They could do that, they have enough money



647


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: to do that.



648


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But the shareholders, in whatever pocket of



649


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: money that's coming from, would definitely



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: object because there's no return on that



651


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: investment.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: A nation can do that, because a nation has



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: geopolitical reasons for doing things and



654


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: they have a much longer time horizon for a



655


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: return on their investment.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: In fact, they might not even need a return



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: on their investment.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The return might just be soft power



659


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: projected around the world.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It could be economic power, it could be



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: anything.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It could be an actual literal enemy, as we



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: had in the Cold War.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you need NASA to do things that have



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: never been done before and then, once you



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: can characterize the cost, the risks, the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: benefits, then Private Enterprise comes and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: does it.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I was just so surprised when Elon Musk had



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: a ship to cargo resupply to the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: International Space Station and the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: headline was new era in space, the Private



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Enterprise taking over the thing they're



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: doing, what NASA's been doing for 30 years.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So yeah, let Private Enterprise do the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: routine things and with proper business



677


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Neil deGrasse Tyson: models they could probably do it more



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: cheaply and more efficiently and grow the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: industry.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So the mix is very simple If it's never



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: been done before, you let NASA do it.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Once NASA figures out how to do it, private



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Enterprise comes in see if they can make it



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00:26:00,741 --> 00:26:00,922


Neil deGrasse Tyson: work.



685


00:26:01,610 --> 00:26:03,556


Marc Preston: You mentioned the moon and Mars.



686


00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:06,280


Marc Preston: I don't know why, I don't know this, but is



687


00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:07,970


Marc Preston: there any kind of set like, ok, we're going



688


00:26:08,010 --> 00:26:10,172


Marc Preston: to go to moon, the Mars, beyond that, I



689


00:26:10,212 --> 00:26:10,935


Marc Preston: don't know what.



690


00:26:11,336 --> 00:26:12,139


Marc Preston: Is there a plan?



691


00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:13,153


Marc Preston: Is there a discussion?



692


00:26:13,253 --> 00:26:14,438


Marc Preston: For where are we going?



693


00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:15,935


Marc Preston: What's the objective once we do get the



694


00:26:15,955 --> 00:26:16,217


Marc Preston: Mars?



695


00:26:17,132 --> 00:26:20,541


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, you're thinking linearly, as are most



696


00:26:20,581 --> 00:26:22,636


Neil deGrasse Tyson: people, so I'm not accusing you of that.



697


00:26:24,131 --> 00:26:25,476


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm highlighting that fact.



698


00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:28,797


Neil deGrasse Tyson: If, instead, you think in terms of



699


00:26:28,997 --> 00:26:31,966


Neil deGrasse Tyson: capability rather than sequences of



700


00:26:32,006 --> 00:26:35,233


Neil deGrasse Tyson: destinations, imagine a future where we



701


00:26:35,253 --> 00:26:40,401


Neil deGrasse Tyson: have a warehouse of launch vessels of all



702


00:26:40,441 --> 00:26:42,625


Neil deGrasse Tyson: combinations, and you tell me what you want



703


00:26:42,645 --> 00:26:42,785


Neil deGrasse Tyson: to do.



704


00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:47,301


Neil deGrasse Tyson: You want to look for life in the craters of



705


00:26:47,341 --> 00:26:47,622


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Mars.



706


00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:49,195


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Well, that's this combination of rockets



707


00:26:50,110 --> 00:26:50,994


Neil deGrasse Tyson: and it's a science mission.



708


00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:52,894


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you get funding for that from the



709


00:26:52,935 --> 00:26:54,559


Neil deGrasse Tyson: National Science Foundation or from NASA,



710


00:26:55,050 --> 00:26:56,214


Neil deGrasse Tyson: and then you go look for life on Mars.



711


00:26:57,330 --> 00:27:00,455


Neil deGrasse Tyson: You want to set up an amusement park on the



712


00:27:00,515 --> 00:27:04,983


Neil deGrasse Tyson: moon where all the rides are in 1-6th G.



713


00:27:05,744 --> 00:27:06,913


Neil deGrasse Tyson: That would be kind of fun.



714


00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:10,097


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's this set of things.



715


00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:13,233


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And now you need habitat modules and you



716


00:27:13,393 --> 00:27:18,043


Neil deGrasse Tyson: want to mine an asteroid for its natural



717


00:27:18,103 --> 00:27:21,190


Neil deGrasse Tyson: resources and the rare earth elements that



718


00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:23,317


Neil deGrasse Tyson: are common on an asteroid, even if they're



719


00:27:23,377 --> 00:27:24,019


Neil deGrasse Tyson: rare on Earth.



720


00:27:24,610 --> 00:27:27,179


Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's this combination of launch vehicles.



721


00:27:28,031 --> 00:27:31,057


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, you want to sell water to everyone else



722


00:27:31,097 --> 00:27:33,202


Neil deGrasse Tyson: who is in space without having to bring it



723


00:27:33,242 --> 00:27:33,643


Neil deGrasse Tyson: from Earth.



724


00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:35,335


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you're going to lasso a comet.



725


00:27:36,051 --> 00:27:37,517


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, let's go ahead and do that.



726


00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:40,135


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Put the ices sell liters of water to



727


00:27:40,215 --> 00:27:41,919


Neil deGrasse Tyson: whoever needs it in orbit.



728


00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:42,921


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Wait a minute.



729


00:27:43,630 --> 00:27:44,634


Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's an asteroid headed our way.



730


00:27:45,290 --> 00:27:46,876


Neil deGrasse Tyson: We need somebody to deflect it.



731


00:27:47,612 --> 00:27:49,575


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh my gosh, maybe the military is involved.



732


00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:52,617


Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's a different set of vehicles, a



733


00:27:52,677 --> 00:27:54,421


Neil deGrasse Tyson: different set of launch parameters, a



734


00:27:54,481 --> 00:27:57,036


Neil deGrasse Tyson: different set of tools necessary once you



735


00:27:57,117 --> 00:27:57,939


Neil deGrasse Tyson: arrive there.



736


00:27:58,711 --> 00:28:01,496


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, you want to beam energy from the sun



737


00:28:01,637 --> 00:28:04,402


Neil deGrasse Tyson: back to Earth from a special Lagrangian



738


00:28:04,442 --> 00:28:06,454


Neil deGrasse Tyson: point, that's, you're going to build that



739


00:28:06,514 --> 00:28:07,276


Neil deGrasse Tyson: in free space.



740


00:28:08,550 --> 00:28:09,936


Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's not on the surface of anything.



741


00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:11,535


Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's a whole other task.



742


00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:13,034


Neil deGrasse Tyson: You add all this up.



743


00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:16,176


Neil deGrasse Tyson: These are capabilities brought to you by a



744


00:28:16,276 --> 00:28:17,680


Neil deGrasse Tyson: warehouse of launch vehicles.



745


00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:21,196


Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's what I imagine the future of our



746


00:28:22,499 --> 00:28:23,882


Neil deGrasse Tyson: relationship to space will be.



747


00:28:24,452 --> 00:28:25,700


Marc Preston: Yeah, it's kind of sort of like, instead of



748


00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,069


Marc Preston: just like a lab, we kind of look at our



749


00:28:27,109 --> 00:28:29,794


Marc Preston: solar systems as one just big lab kind of A



750


00:28:29,814 --> 00:28:31,525


Marc Preston: backyard, I wouldn't have to say lab.



751


00:28:31,545 --> 00:28:32,595


Neil deGrasse Tyson: you might want to just joyride.



752


00:28:32,896 --> 00:28:34,081


Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's not a lab, you know.



753


00:28:34,737 --> 00:28:35,439


Neil deGrasse Tyson: You don't have to think of this



754


00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,102


Neil deGrasse Tyson: scientifically.



755


00:28:36,162 --> 00:28:38,162


Neil deGrasse Tyson: If it can make a buck, I'm all down with



756


00:28:38,805 --> 00:28:40,455


Neil deGrasse Tyson: going to that amusement park on moon.



757


00:28:40,535 --> 00:28:42,280


Marc Preston: That actually, it seems like you know you



758


00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:43,042


Marc Preston: get Disney enough.



759


00:28:43,062 --> 00:28:44,747


Marc Preston: You know Disney, I got a couple bucks.



760


00:28:44,775 --> 00:28:45,981


Marc Preston: They'll figure it out one way or another.



761


00:28:46,276 --> 00:28:48,098


Marc Preston: Yeah, exactly Exactly when you were talking



762


00:28:48,118 --> 00:28:48,258


Marc Preston: about.



763


00:28:48,278 --> 00:28:48,901


Marc Preston: That reminds me.



764


00:28:48,921 --> 00:28:50,538


Marc Preston: I don't know if you ever have seen the TV



765


00:28:50,558 --> 00:28:51,402


Marc Preston: show the Expanse.



766


00:28:51,955 --> 00:28:52,798


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's on my list.



767


00:28:52,858 --> 00:28:54,724


Neil deGrasse Tyson: By the way, in the next month I'm going to



768


00:28:54,764 --> 00:28:56,283


Neil deGrasse Tyson: binge and I probably get.



769


00:28:56,586 --> 00:28:57,515


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I expect to get through all of them.



770


00:28:57,575 --> 00:28:59,547


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I know that several years of them but it's



771


00:28:59,587 --> 00:29:01,140


Neil deGrasse Tyson: on my list, it's not going to spoil it for



772


00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:01,521


Neil deGrasse Tyson: you at all.



773


00:29:01,635 --> 00:29:03,540


Marc Preston: I just think it's the most eloquent blend



774


00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:06,607


Marc Preston: of science, sociology, psychology.



775


00:29:06,755 --> 00:29:07,979


Marc Preston: I mean it's you know.



776


00:29:07,999 --> 00:29:09,564


Marc Preston: You look at it like what if I was talking



777


00:29:09,584 --> 00:29:10,738


Marc Preston: with my kids the other day about it?



778


00:29:11,336 --> 00:29:12,922


Marc Preston: What if we put humans on Mars?



779


00:29:13,435 --> 00:29:14,681


Marc Preston: Hopefully, I mean it's going to happen one



780


00:29:14,701 --> 00:29:14,861


Marc Preston: day.



781


00:29:15,375 --> 00:29:16,820


Marc Preston: But let's say they're there a few decades,



782


00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,205


Marc Preston: 100 years, I'll say a generation.



783


00:29:18,275 --> 00:29:20,114


Neil deGrasse Tyson: But, by the way, they said that in 1969.



784


00:29:20,415 --> 00:29:22,254


Neil deGrasse Tyson: We'll have people on Mars by 1985.



785


00:29:24,038 --> 00:29:25,682


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you have to ask yourself what is



786


00:29:25,762 --> 00:29:28,208


Neil deGrasse Tyson: motivating you to presume that to be true.



787


00:29:28,837 --> 00:29:31,345


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And once you do that analysis, don't be so



788


00:29:31,445 --> 00:29:32,850


Neil deGrasse Tyson: certain that we'll just have people



789


00:29:33,291 --> 00:29:33,973


Neil deGrasse Tyson: frolicking on Mars.



790


00:29:33,993 --> 00:29:34,495


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Just don't be so certain.



791


00:29:34,938 --> 00:29:36,772


Marc Preston: I'm trying to be infinitely optimistic and



792


00:29:36,812 --> 00:29:38,646


Marc Preston: just hoping one day I'll say I'll hope one



793


00:29:38,686 --> 00:29:39,553


Marc Preston: day we actually get the better.



794


00:29:39,573 --> 00:29:39,835


Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's better.



795


00:29:40,357 --> 00:29:41,743


Marc Preston: That's the more accurate thing to go.



796


00:29:42,776 --> 00:29:46,706


Marc Preston: Let's say we land there decades or a



797


00:29:46,786 --> 00:29:47,568


Marc Preston: generation or two.



798


00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:50,931


Marc Preston: I'm fascinated by the sociology, the



799


00:29:50,972 --> 00:29:51,515


Marc Preston: psychology of it.



800


00:29:52,086 --> 00:29:54,732


Marc Preston: We're there, but what's their connection to



801


00:29:54,772 --> 00:29:55,761


Marc Preston: generations down Like?



802


00:29:55,862 --> 00:29:57,075


Marc Preston: Do they consider themselves Martians?



803


00:29:57,541 --> 00:29:58,515


Marc Preston: If you're born on Mars, you're a Martian.



804


00:29:59,017 --> 00:30:00,704


Neil deGrasse Tyson: You'd have to ask what is your citizenship?



805


00:30:01,497 --> 00:30:02,683


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Do you have a citizenship?



806


00:30:03,377 --> 00:30:04,904


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is it a Mars government?



807


00:30:05,718 --> 00:30:08,269


Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you know, if it's not Earth government



808


00:30:08,349 --> 00:30:09,574


Neil deGrasse Tyson: and someone kills somebody else, is it



809


00:30:09,594 --> 00:30:09,715


Neil deGrasse Tyson: murder?



810


00:30:10,236 --> 00:30:13,044


Neil deGrasse Tyson: If there are no laws that say it's murder



811


00:30:13,204 --> 00:30:14,528


Neil deGrasse Tyson: on Mars, is it a Wild West?



812


00:30:15,244 --> 00:30:16,035


Neil deGrasse Tyson: These all need to be resolved.



813


00:30:16,517 --> 00:30:17,723


Neil deGrasse Tyson: By the way, I love the.



814


00:30:17,924 --> 00:30:19,531


Marc Preston: it was one of those things I put off and I



815


00:30:19,611 --> 00:30:20,395


Marc Preston: finally started binging it.



816


00:30:21,242 --> 00:30:22,235


Marc Preston: I thought it was so well done.



817


00:30:22,417 --> 00:30:26,062


Marc Preston: I'm kind of a nerd, so I it satisfied that



818


00:30:26,102 --> 00:30:27,877


Marc Preston: side as well as me being an actor, I can



819


00:30:27,917 --> 00:30:29,040


Marc Preston: confess being a nerd.



820


00:30:29,361 --> 00:30:30,505


Marc Preston: Be where it proudly.



821


00:30:31,675 --> 00:30:33,540


Marc Preston: But the thing I'm curious about is what



822


00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,948


Marc Preston: sci-fi show, movie, what do you think has



823


00:30:37,035 --> 00:30:39,243


Marc Preston: gotten it pretty right in terms of the



824


00:30:39,343 --> 00:30:39,784


Marc Preston: science?



825


00:30:40,216 --> 00:30:41,681


Marc Preston: What has come out of Hollywood do you think



826


00:30:41,721 --> 00:30:42,444


Marc Preston: has been on point?



827


00:30:42,755 --> 00:30:44,737


Marc Preston: Who's gotten the science right so?



828


00:30:44,937 --> 00:30:45,681


Neil deGrasse Tyson: definitely the Martian.



829


00:30:47,617 --> 00:30:49,624


Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, there's almost no contest there.



830


00:30:50,295 --> 00:30:54,100


Neil deGrasse Tyson: The author was an engineer, I mean Andy



831


00:30:54,140 --> 00:30:54,400


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Weir.



832


00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,306


Neil deGrasse Tyson: He's an engineer and he thought long and



833


00:30:57,366 --> 00:31:00,039


Neil deGrasse Tyson: deep and hard about how to keep Marc Watney



834


00:31:00,099 --> 00:31:03,857


Neil deGrasse Tyson: alive for two years on Mars, the, the, the



835


00:31:03,917 --> 00:31:06,324


Neil deGrasse Tyson: botany, the engineering, the astrophysics,



836


00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:08,760


Neil deGrasse Tyson: the mathematics, the all of this.



837


00:31:09,575 --> 00:31:11,821


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And for me that film, which had Marc he



838


00:31:12,383 --> 00:31:15,016


Neil deGrasse Tyson: director and Marc he actors in it, was the



839


00:31:15,096 --> 00:31:18,624


Neil deGrasse Tyson: first of its kind, in that science itself



840


00:31:18,725 --> 00:31:20,028


Neil deGrasse Tyson: was a character in the film.



841


00:31:20,659 --> 00:31:22,071


Neil deGrasse Tyson: You wanted to know what the science was



842


00:31:22,091 --> 00:31:25,486


Neil deGrasse Tyson: going to do next, more than you cared about



843


00:31:25,948 --> 00:31:26,089


Neil deGrasse Tyson: the.



844


00:31:26,109 --> 00:31:27,174


Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know the you know every one of these



845


00:31:27,234 --> 00:31:27,838


Neil deGrasse Tyson: space movies has.



846


00:31:27,878 --> 00:31:29,488


Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's the astronaut in there and there's



847


00:31:29,508 --> 00:31:32,028


Neil deGrasse Tyson: they have a newborn back on earth and



848


00:31:32,048 --> 00:31:34,787


Neil deGrasse Tyson: they're touching the video screen and look



849


00:31:34,828 --> 00:31:36,078


Neil deGrasse Tyson: at your new, your new daughter, and I'll



850


00:31:36,098 --> 00:31:37,115


Neil deGrasse Tyson: think could you hurry that up please?



851


00:31:37,236 --> 00:31:38,549


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I want to know if Marc Watney is going to



852


00:31:38,589 --> 00:31:39,155


Neil deGrasse Tyson: live another day.



853


00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:44,232


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So, other than one scientific flaw, which



854


00:31:44,252 --> 00:31:45,437


Neil deGrasse Tyson: was necessary, otherwise that was not a



855


00:31:45,457 --> 00:31:47,553


Neil deGrasse Tyson: story the rest was just brilliantly done.



856


00:31:49,521 --> 00:31:52,753


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Another one is deep impact, very good



857


00:31:52,773 --> 00:31:56,149


Neil deGrasse Tyson: asteroid science, in fact, excellent



858


00:31:56,170 --> 00:31:56,754


Neil deGrasse Tyson: science, asteroid science.



859


00:31:58,681 --> 00:32:01,029


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And another one very close in time to that



860


00:32:01,110 --> 00:32:02,334


Neil deGrasse Tyson: one was contact, based on the Carl Sagan



861


00:32:02,354 --> 00:32:02,495


Neil deGrasse Tyson: novel.



862


00:32:02,975 --> 00:32:04,133


Neil deGrasse Tyson: That doesn't take place in the future.



863


00:32:06,004 --> 00:32:07,190


Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's in the present, but it's an



864


00:32:07,210 --> 00:32:08,956


Neil deGrasse Tyson: exploration of how we might all respond to



865


00:32:08,976 --> 00:32:10,709


Neil deGrasse Tyson: such a discovery if it happened in our



866


00:32:10,729 --> 00:32:14,033


Neil deGrasse Tyson: times and not all of it is pretty.



867


00:32:16,442 --> 00:32:19,952


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I think Carl was very honest with ourselves



868


00:32:19,972 --> 00:32:20,835


Neil deGrasse Tyson: about how we would treat that information



869


00:32:20,835 --> 00:32:22,264


Neil deGrasse Tyson: and the sociology of and they had the you



870


00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:26,284


Neil deGrasse Tyson: know, of course, matthew McConaughey, you



871


00:32:26,304 --> 00:32:27,770


Neil deGrasse Tyson: have something, somebody theological, you



872


00:32:27,790 --> 00:32:28,071


Neil deGrasse Tyson: got science.



873


00:32:28,091 --> 00:32:29,267


Marc Preston: You have, you know, money involved, and I



874


00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:31,454


Marc Preston: love movies that have you asking questions



875


00:32:31,546 --> 00:32:33,041


Marc Preston: afterwards, you know, and have you



876


00:32:33,061 --> 00:32:34,135


Marc Preston: contemplating things you didn't before.



877


00:32:34,155 --> 00:32:35,834


Marc Preston: Well, that way they get you to see it twice.



878


00:32:35,871 --> 00:32:37,509


Marc Preston: You see, and then you get they get twice



879


00:32:37,529 --> 00:32:37,955


Marc Preston: the revenue.



880


00:32:38,757 --> 00:32:39,441


Neil deGrasse Tyson: What I love, having kids.



881


00:32:39,562 --> 00:32:40,045


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I got three teenagers.



882


00:32:40,065 --> 00:32:43,362


Marc Preston: I can go back to this whole bank of like



883


00:32:43,383 --> 00:32:44,808


Marc Preston: movies and I'm like you must watch this



884


00:32:45,210 --> 00:32:45,632


Marc Preston: movie.



885


00:32:45,692 --> 00:32:46,054


Marc Preston: It's so good.



886


00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:47,964


Marc Preston: I'm realizing all these movies came out



887


00:32:47,984 --> 00:32:49,639


Marc Preston: they still haven't seen but interstellar.



888


00:32:49,659 --> 00:32:50,704


Marc Preston: I remember taking my oldest, who's now 19,



889


00:32:50,724 --> 00:32:53,600


Marc Preston: to go see that and because of some level



890


00:32:53,620 --> 00:32:56,213


Marc Preston: that was to me it's kind of a daddy



891


00:32:56,273 --> 00:32:56,635


Marc Preston: daughter movie.



892


00:32:56,635 --> 00:32:57,861


Marc Preston: At some level there was a storyline in



893


00:32:57,882 --> 00:33:00,717


Marc Preston: there, but it really was intriguing the way



894


00:33:00,737 --> 00:33:02,268


Marc Preston: they address black holes.



895


00:33:02,288 --> 00:33:03,135


Marc Preston: Which brings me to the question.



896


00:33:06,064 --> 00:33:08,211


Marc Preston: The idea that black holes destroy data and



897


00:33:08,231 --> 00:33:09,255


Marc Preston: information is one thing.



898


00:33:09,275 --> 00:33:11,903


Marc Preston: That information is one theory and then



899


00:33:11,923 --> 00:33:12,605


Marc Preston: there's no other theory.



900


00:33:12,675 --> 00:33:14,495


Marc Preston: It's like no, it's just it still exists, it



901


00:33:14,576 --> 00:33:16,162


Marc Preston: just goes somewhere.



902


00:33:16,435 --> 00:33:18,821


Marc Preston: What is the current theory on what?



903


00:33:18,861 --> 00:33:20,606


Marc Preston: What happens when something goes into a



904


00:33:20,646 --> 00:33:21,227


Marc Preston: black hole?



905


00:33:21,535 --> 00:33:24,903


Neil deGrasse Tyson: We're leaning towards the idea that black



906


00:33:24,923 --> 00:33:27,096


Neil deGrasse Tyson: holes do not destroy information, that all



907


00:33:27,116 --> 00:33:29,100


Neil deGrasse Tyson: of the information that passes through the



908


00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:32,876


Neil deGrasse Tyson: event horizon is remembered and, in fact,



909


00:33:33,056 --> 00:33:37,246


Neil deGrasse Tyson: encoded on the event horizon itself All



910


00:33:37,286 --> 00:33:37,727


Neil deGrasse Tyson: information.



911


00:33:38,116 --> 00:33:40,547


Neil deGrasse Tyson: This is, this is the emergent understanding,



912


00:33:40,607 --> 00:33:42,979


Neil deGrasse Tyson: based on what the theories of physics are



913


00:33:42,999 --> 00:33:44,890


Neil deGrasse Tyson: telling us that these are theories of



914


00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:46,498


Neil deGrasse Tyson: physics that are well tested in other



915


00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,043


Neil deGrasse Tyson: realms, and so we're extrapolating into new,



916


00:33:50,244 --> 00:33:53,175


Neil deGrasse Tyson: new realms with the same theories.



917


00:33:53,536 --> 00:33:57,269


Marc Preston: So the confidence we have derives from how



918


00:33:57,911 --> 00:33:59,298


Marc Preston: successful these theories have been in



919


00:33:59,399 --> 00:34:02,200


Marc Preston: other, in other regimes, because isn't



920


00:34:02,220 --> 00:34:04,451


Marc Preston: there a theory that that there was, in turn,



921


00:34:04,632 --> 00:34:06,158


Marc Preston: what we call it the multiverse, or



922


00:34:06,198 --> 00:34:08,145


Marc Preston: alternate universes that may exist?



923


00:34:08,636 --> 00:34:10,323


Marc Preston: Isn't there a theory that black holes may



924


00:34:10,383 --> 00:34:13,378


Marc Preston: be some kind of portal or link, or is that?



925


00:34:13,459 --> 00:34:14,775


Marc Preston: Is that still just purely theoretical?



926


00:34:15,036 --> 00:34:16,802


Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you look at the what's all, it's all



927


00:34:16,983 --> 00:34:17,384


Neil deGrasse Tyson: theoretical.



928


00:34:17,776 --> 00:34:19,323


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Don't just say it's just theoretical,



929


00:34:19,384 --> 00:34:21,655


Neil deGrasse Tyson: because equals MC squared is Einstein's



930


00:34:21,936 --> 00:34:24,564


Neil deGrasse Tyson: theory of relativity and it you make bombs



931


00:34:24,624 --> 00:34:24,905


Neil deGrasse Tyson: out of that.



932


00:34:25,256 --> 00:34:27,746


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So there's never an occasion to denigrate



933


00:34:27,786 --> 00:34:29,875


Neil deGrasse Tyson: something being theoretical if it's been



934


00:34:30,078 --> 00:34:31,075


Neil deGrasse Tyson: tested and supported.



935


00:34:31,616 --> 00:34:33,520


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So so his.



936


00:34:34,782 --> 00:34:39,351


Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you follow the, the math into the black



937


00:34:39,391 --> 00:34:42,999


Neil deGrasse Tyson: hole, what happens is an entire other space



938


00:34:43,059 --> 00:34:46,026


Neil deGrasse Tyson: time opens up in front of you as the one



939


00:34:46,066 --> 00:34:47,289


Neil deGrasse Tyson: behind you closes off.



940


00:34:48,757 --> 00:34:51,546


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And so, yes, black holes may indeed be



941


00:34:51,626 --> 00:34:52,930


Neil deGrasse Tyson: portals to whole other.



942


00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:56,445


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I guess we can call them universes, sure,



943


00:34:56,908 --> 00:34:58,174


Neil deGrasse Tyson: because they don't connect with the one you



944


00:34:58,194 --> 00:34:58,959


Neil deGrasse Tyson: just came from.



945


00:34:59,946 --> 00:35:02,699


Neil deGrasse Tyson: But it's intriguing, and this is highly



946


00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:05,267


Neil deGrasse Tyson: untapped material for science fiction.



947


00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:08,409


Marc Preston: What do you think is a good book, or a



948


00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:09,455


Marc Preston: movie or explanation?



949


00:35:09,575 --> 00:35:11,022


Marc Preston: It's, let me say, time space.



950


00:35:11,856 --> 00:35:13,159


Marc Preston: It's kind of hard to get.



951


00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,264


Marc Preston: Even I sometimes have a hard time getting



952


00:35:15,284 --> 00:35:15,845


Marc Preston: my head around it.



953


00:35:16,005 --> 00:35:16,747


Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, it's easy.



954


00:35:16,887 --> 00:35:17,388


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'll tell you why.



955


00:35:18,156 --> 00:35:20,241


Neil deGrasse Tyson: If I say, hey, let's, let's go have lunch



956


00:35:20,301 --> 00:35:24,876


Neil deGrasse Tyson: tomorrow at 12 noon, you say sure, what's



957


00:35:24,896 --> 00:35:25,699


Neil deGrasse Tyson: your next question to me?



958


00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,488


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Where, where, where.



959


00:35:28,595 --> 00:35:31,180


Neil deGrasse Tyson: You intuitively know that the time



960


00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:36,129


Neil deGrasse Tyson: coordinate is incomplete in order to assure



961


00:35:36,335 --> 00:35:38,720


Neil deGrasse Tyson: that the two of us meet up for lunch.



962


00:35:39,923 --> 00:35:41,566


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, I'm in New York City.



963


00:35:41,586 --> 00:35:44,177


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Those are sirens, right, you know that



964


00:35:44,277 --> 00:35:44,839


Neil deGrasse Tyson: intuitively.



965


00:35:45,943 --> 00:35:50,503


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, so now I say, hey, let's go meet at



966


00:35:50,563 --> 00:35:53,509


Neil deGrasse Tyson: the corner deli tomorrow for breakfast.



967


00:35:54,535 --> 00:35:55,620


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And what's your next question to me?



968


00:35:56,116 --> 00:35:57,681


Marc Preston: Uh, corner deli tomorrow for breakfast.



969


00:35:57,801 --> 00:35:58,062


Marc Preston: It'd be.



970


00:35:58,102 --> 00:35:58,905


Marc Preston: What time, what?



971


00:35:58,965 --> 00:35:59,286


Neil deGrasse Tyson: time.



972


00:36:00,476 --> 00:36:03,844


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So the first case, I gave you a place a



973


00:36:03,884 --> 00:36:06,399


Neil deGrasse Tyson: time but not a place, and you said I need



974


00:36:06,419 --> 00:36:06,781


Neil deGrasse Tyson: the place.



975


00:36:07,176 --> 00:36:08,721


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And next time, I gave you the place but not



976


00:36:08,761 --> 00:36:09,945


Neil deGrasse Tyson: a time, you said I need the time.



977


00:36:11,096 --> 00:36:13,223


Neil deGrasse Tyson: This is evidence that we live in a space



978


00:36:13,283 --> 00:36:13,624


Neil deGrasse Tyson: time.



979


00:36:13,684 --> 00:36:17,341


Neil deGrasse Tyson: World, space and time only have meaning in



980


00:36:17,441 --> 00:36:22,733


Neil deGrasse Tyson: our lives when they connect in what we call



981


00:36:22,874 --> 00:36:23,455


Neil deGrasse Tyson: world lines.



982


00:36:23,857 --> 00:36:25,847


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Your world line is your movement through



983


00:36:25,907 --> 00:36:27,515


Neil deGrasse Tyson: space and time at all times.



984


00:36:28,056 --> 00:36:30,685


Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's why, when you cross a street, you're



985


00:36:30,705 --> 00:36:33,896


Neil deGrasse Tyson: not flattened by the truck that was in the



986


00:36:34,016 --> 00:36:35,099


Neil deGrasse Tyson: very same spot.



987


00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,626


Neil deGrasse Tyson: You are because it's not in the same spot



988


00:36:38,827 --> 00:36:39,709


Neil deGrasse Tyson: at the same time.



989


00:36:41,216 --> 00:36:44,245


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So world lines are this ingenious way to



990


00:36:44,325 --> 00:36:47,775


Neil deGrasse Tyson: understand the world, so that everything



991


00:36:48,118 --> 00:36:49,691


Neil deGrasse Tyson: doesn't all happen in the same place at the



992


00:36:49,732 --> 00:36:50,115


Neil deGrasse Tyson: same time.



993


00:36:51,661 --> 00:36:53,448


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Now, one thing that zoom calls have done



994


00:36:53,469 --> 00:36:55,075


Neil deGrasse Tyson: during the pandemic a silver lining there



995


00:36:56,498 --> 00:36:56,578


Neil deGrasse Tyson: is.



996


00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:00,287


Neil deGrasse Tyson: It has removed the time coordinate that is



997


00:37:00,387 --> 00:37:04,145


Neil deGrasse Tyson: normally required for people to connect All.



998


00:37:04,165 --> 00:37:05,313


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, I'm sorry, it's removed the space



999


00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:05,555


Neil deGrasse Tyson: coordinate.



Speaker:

00:37:06,861 --> 00:37:09,312


Neil deGrasse Tyson: All you need is a time coordinate zoom call



Speaker:

00:37:09,352 --> 00:37:10,035


Neil deGrasse Tyson: tomorrow at noon.



Speaker:

00:37:10,035 --> 00:37:11,795


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't care where you are in the world,



Speaker:

00:37:12,617 --> 00:37:14,735


Neil deGrasse Tyson: you dial into the zoom call and we're there.



Speaker:

00:37:17,685 --> 00:37:18,708


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So it's a reMarcable.



Speaker:

00:37:18,728 --> 00:37:20,133


Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you want to think about it on a deeper



Speaker:

00:37:20,213 --> 00:37:20,575


Neil deGrasse Tyson: level, a zoom call.



Speaker:

00:37:20,595 --> 00:37:24,949


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is our space time coordinates intersecting



Speaker:

00:37:25,771 --> 00:37:26,634


Neil deGrasse Tyson: without space being a parameter in that



Speaker:

00:37:26,654 --> 00:37:26,915


Neil deGrasse Tyson: intersection?



Speaker:

00:37:28,101 --> 00:37:29,488


Marc Preston: When I hear space time, I never really got



Speaker:

00:37:29,508 --> 00:37:30,755


Marc Preston: a full definition to where I understand it.



Speaker:

00:37:30,978 --> 00:37:32,034


Marc Preston: No, yeah, just you overthink it.



Speaker:

00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:34,861


Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's simple.



Speaker:

00:37:42,274 --> 00:37:43,356


Marc Preston: Now Cosmos.



Speaker:

00:37:43,596 --> 00:37:46,040


Marc Preston: My kids grew up on it and it's funny



Speaker:

00:37:46,081 --> 00:37:48,344


Marc Preston: because I remember being younger in Carl



Speaker:

00:37:48,364 --> 00:37:48,625


Marc Preston: Sagan.



Speaker:

00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:50,274


Marc Preston: Did you ever have a chance to sit down and



Speaker:

00:37:50,314 --> 00:37:51,318


Marc Preston: spend time with Carl Sagan?



Speaker:

00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:55,180


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So people like to describe him as my mentor,



Speaker:

00:37:55,241 --> 00:37:57,408


Neil deGrasse Tyson: but I was probably only in his company



Speaker:

00:37:57,970 --> 00:38:00,817


Neil deGrasse Tyson: maybe four times in my life, maybe five



Speaker:

00:38:00,957 --> 00:38:04,995


Neil deGrasse Tyson: times in my life, and so again, I don't.



Speaker:

00:38:05,617 --> 00:38:07,462


Neil deGrasse Tyson: It wasn't about role models as people.



Speaker:

00:38:07,570 --> 00:38:10,342


Neil deGrasse Tyson: It was about whoever they were and whatever



Speaker:

00:38:10,382 --> 00:38:10,864


Neil deGrasse Tyson: they did.



Speaker:

00:38:11,085 --> 00:38:12,290


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Was it something worth emulating?



Speaker:

00:38:12,330 --> 00:38:14,291


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And then you emulate it, Whether or not



Speaker:

00:38:14,311 --> 00:38:16,237


Neil deGrasse Tyson: they're standing next to you as a coach.



Speaker:

00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:18,739


Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, if you study someone hard enough,



Speaker:

00:38:18,779 --> 00:38:20,270


Neil deGrasse Tyson: you can figure out how they do it and why



Speaker:

00:38:20,491 --> 00:38:23,441


Neil deGrasse Tyson: and what motivates them and what they do.



Speaker:

00:38:23,522 --> 00:38:25,509


Neil deGrasse Tyson: That would best fit for how you do it or



Speaker:

00:38:25,529 --> 00:38:26,313


Neil deGrasse Tyson: how you want to do it.



Speaker:

00:38:28,153 --> 00:38:29,797


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So, yeah, so we were never beer drinking



Speaker:

00:38:29,817 --> 00:38:31,080


Neil deGrasse Tyson: buddies, but we knew each other.



Speaker:

00:38:31,181 --> 00:38:33,778


Marc Preston: Yes, Well, did Seth MacFarlane?



Speaker:

00:38:33,838 --> 00:38:35,385


Marc Preston: Did he approach you with this idea?



Speaker:

00:38:35,506 --> 00:38:37,493


Marc Preston: Or who knocked on whose door about the idea



Speaker:

00:38:37,553 --> 00:38:39,759


Marc Preston: of bringing back cosmos and its current



Speaker:

00:38:39,859 --> 00:38:40,401


Marc Preston: incarnation?



Speaker:

00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:43,818


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So Andrewian is the Carl Sagan's widow.



Speaker:

00:38:44,690 --> 00:38:46,596


Neil deGrasse Tyson: She's the secret sauce of all three



Speaker:

00:38:46,656 --> 00:38:47,258


Neil deGrasse Tyson: cosmoses.



Speaker:

00:38:48,330 --> 00:38:50,134


Neil deGrasse Tyson: She's, though, not a scientist herself.



Speaker:

00:38:50,194 --> 00:38:53,822


Neil deGrasse Tyson: She's deeply connected to what it is to be



Speaker:

00:38:53,882 --> 00:38:58,094


Neil deGrasse Tyson: scientifically literate, and she doesn't



Speaker:

00:38:58,314 --> 00:39:00,520


Neil deGrasse Tyson: simply know the universe, she feels the



Speaker:

00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:00,941


Neil deGrasse Tyson: universe.



Speaker:

00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:04,535


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Almost every amazing line to come out of



Speaker:

00:39:04,575 --> 00:39:07,421


Neil deGrasse Tyson: cosmos, all three cosmoses, almost every



Speaker:

00:39:07,481 --> 00:39:10,534


Neil deGrasse Tyson: line where you just have to pause and say



Speaker:

00:39:10,594 --> 00:39:13,333


Neil deGrasse Tyson: wow, I feel that it's traceable to



Speaker:

00:39:13,413 --> 00:39:20,123


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Andrewian, and so she and I met as serving



Speaker:

00:39:20,303 --> 00:39:22,929


Neil deGrasse Tyson: on the board of the Planetary Society, an



Speaker:

00:39:22,949 --> 00:39:24,957


Neil deGrasse Tyson: organization that Carl Sagan co-founded



Speaker:

00:39:24,997 --> 00:39:27,770


Neil deGrasse Tyson: back in 1980.



Speaker:

00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:29,695


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And the conversation came up about whether



Speaker:

00:39:30,116 --> 00:39:31,379


Neil deGrasse Tyson: cosmos would be resurrected.



Speaker:

00:39:32,890 --> 00:39:35,639


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And then she asked would I be interested in



Speaker:

00:39:35,739 --> 00:39:36,220


Neil deGrasse Tyson: hosting that?



Speaker:

00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:37,734


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said no, there's probably a dozen



Speaker:

00:39:37,774 --> 00:39:38,897


Neil deGrasse Tyson: people who want to host that.



Speaker:

00:39:38,937 --> 00:39:39,759


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't need to host it.



Speaker:

00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:41,473


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Then I thought wait, I have certain



Speaker:

00:39:41,493 --> 00:39:44,223


Neil deGrasse Tyson: memories of Carl Sagan, though we only



Speaker:

00:39:44,665 --> 00:39:46,331


Neil deGrasse Tyson: spent four occasions together.



Speaker:

00:39:46,974 --> 00:39:49,141


Neil deGrasse Tyson: That first one was hugely influential,



Speaker:

00:39:50,145 --> 00:39:51,570


Neil deGrasse Tyson: which was when he sent me a letter when I



Speaker:

00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:54,095


Neil deGrasse Tyson: was in high school to ask me to visit



Speaker:

00:39:54,156 --> 00:39:55,960


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Cornell to see if I want to go to Cornell



Speaker:

00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:56,741


Neil deGrasse Tyson: for college.



Speaker:

00:39:58,012 --> 00:40:00,448


Neil deGrasse Tyson: It was a stupefying thing.



Speaker:

00:40:01,392 --> 00:40:02,617


Neil deGrasse Tyson: It was like what is it?



Speaker:

00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:04,054


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Who would do this?



Speaker:

00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:05,092


Neil deGrasse Tyson: He did it.



Speaker:

00:40:06,090 --> 00:40:08,819


Neil deGrasse Tyson: To this day, I treat students the way he



Speaker:

00:40:08,859 --> 00:40:11,889


Neil deGrasse Tyson: treated me, giving them time in the middle



Speaker:

00:40:11,949 --> 00:40:13,876


Neil deGrasse Tyson: of your day, no matter how busy your day is,



Speaker:

00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:17,035


Neil deGrasse Tyson: and so can't do that with all students, but



Speaker:

00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:22,058


Neil deGrasse Tyson: when the time I do it, and so he probably



Speaker:

00:40:22,078 --> 00:40:23,844


Neil deGrasse Tyson: did it better and more consistently than



Speaker:

00:40:23,945 --> 00:40:24,607


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I've been able to.



Speaker:

00:40:24,988 --> 00:40:26,815


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Just if you want to rank that.



Speaker:

00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:30,977


Neil deGrasse Tyson: But I said okay, if you want me, I'd be



Speaker:

00:40:31,037 --> 00:40:31,678


Neil deGrasse Tyson: happy to do this.



Speaker:

00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:37,400


Neil deGrasse Tyson: So then we all agree we'll resurrect Cosmos.



Speaker:

00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:39,734


Neil deGrasse Tyson: We've got the original co-writer, Steve



Speaker:

00:40:39,754 --> 00:40:44,183


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Soder, and along with Andrew Ian, and so



Speaker:

00:40:44,423 --> 00:40:44,824


Neil deGrasse Tyson: there it was.



Speaker:

00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:46,195


Neil deGrasse Tyson: But then we started knocking on doors to



Speaker:

00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:46,978


Neil deGrasse Tyson: see who would.



Speaker:

00:40:48,183 --> 00:40:50,050


Neil deGrasse Tyson: We went to PBS, we went to Discovery



Speaker:

00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:53,497


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Channel, we went to a bunch of places, and



Speaker:

00:40:53,537 --> 00:40:56,342


Neil deGrasse Tyson: they all wanted to assign their own writers



Speaker:

00:40:56,443 --> 00:40:56,703


Neil deGrasse Tyson: to it.



Speaker:

00:40:57,250 --> 00:40:59,035


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I think they felt that the original Cosmos



Speaker:

00:40:59,095 --> 00:41:00,680


Neil deGrasse Tyson: needed some sprucing up.



Speaker:

00:41:01,410 --> 00:41:02,815


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Get a young writer in there, they'll know



Speaker:

00:41:02,855 --> 00:41:04,571


Neil deGrasse Tyson: what to say and how to do it, and Andrew



Speaker:

00:41:04,592 --> 00:41:05,575


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Ian would have none of that.



Speaker:

00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:08,675


Neil deGrasse Tyson: She knew she had a vision statement of what



Speaker:

00:41:08,695 --> 00:41:11,310


Neil deGrasse Tyson: she wanted and how it would look, and



Speaker:

00:41:11,491 --> 00:41:15,041


Neil deGrasse Tyson: though she was 35 years older than when she



Speaker:

00:41:15,141 --> 00:41:17,448


Neil deGrasse Tyson: first co-authored it, she was not



Speaker:

00:41:17,608 --> 00:41:20,597


Neil deGrasse Tyson: responsive to their requirements to do this.



Speaker:

00:41:21,790 --> 00:41:23,337


Neil deGrasse Tyson: At the time I became friends with Seth



Speaker:

00:41:23,377 --> 00:41:25,466


Neil deGrasse Tyson: McFarlane through something called the



Speaker:

00:41:25,527 --> 00:41:28,456


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Science Entertainment Exchange, an actual



Speaker:

00:41:28,496 --> 00:41:30,160


Neil deGrasse Tyson: branch of the National Academy of Sciences.



Speaker:

00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:33,203


Neil deGrasse Tyson: We got to know each other and he came up to



Speaker:

00:41:33,243 --> 00:41:34,489


Neil deGrasse Tyson: me and says you know, I came into some



Speaker:

00:41:34,509 --> 00:41:35,092


Neil deGrasse Tyson: money recently.



Speaker:

00:41:35,132 --> 00:41:36,115


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is there any good I can do?



Speaker:

00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:40,877


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said, oh my gosh, why don't you fund



Speaker:

00:41:41,338 --> 00:41:43,482


Neil deGrasse Tyson: a pilot for Cosmos so we can show people



Speaker:

00:41:43,962 --> 00:41:45,612


Neil deGrasse Tyson: what it's going to look like, and then



Speaker:

00:41:45,713 --> 00:41:46,476


Neil deGrasse Tyson: sponsors would come.



Speaker:

00:41:47,111 --> 00:41:48,294


Neil deGrasse Tyson: He says no, I have a better idea.



Speaker:

00:41:48,314 --> 00:41:49,898


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Why don't I just take it to Fox?



Speaker:

00:41:49,918 --> 00:41:51,221


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Because all his shows are on Fox?



Speaker:

00:41:51,831 --> 00:41:53,236


Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said no, that's a terrible idea.



Speaker:

00:41:54,090 --> 00:41:56,476


Neil deGrasse Tyson: I was thinking in my head you know, cosmos



Speaker:

00:41:56,516 --> 00:41:57,779


Neil deGrasse Tyson: on Fox, that's not going to work.



Speaker:

00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:58,782


Neil deGrasse Tyson: This is a mistake.



Speaker:

00:41:59,190 --> 00:42:02,173


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Sorry, I asked, but then I thought about it



Speaker:

00:42:02,233 --> 00:42:04,219


Neil deGrasse Tyson: for 10 seconds.



Speaker:

00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:05,411


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Wait a minute.



Speaker:

00:42:05,491 --> 00:42:10,211


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Fox is huge, way bigger than PBS, and a lot



Speaker:

00:42:10,231 --> 00:42:12,379


Neil deGrasse Tyson: of liberals think of Fox as just Fox News.



Speaker:

00:42:12,459 --> 00:42:15,571


Neil deGrasse Tyson: But Fox is Fox flagship, which has the



Speaker:

00:42:15,771 --> 00:42:18,600


Neil deGrasse Tyson: liberally acerbic Simpsons on it and Family



Speaker:

00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,479


Neil deGrasse Tyson: Guy, and they had what's that highly



Speaker:

00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:23,722


Neil deGrasse Tyson: progressive show, glee.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: All right, these are all Fox programings.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Another show called In Living Color.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And so I said this is a brilliant idea.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So we took it to Fox and they bought in and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: they said we'll do 13 episodes and we trust



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that you know what you're doing.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And so they didn't even want to put a



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: writer on it?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, and so that's how it landed on Fox,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and Fox bought National Geographic, and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: then it landed on Fox and National



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Geographic at the same time.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Then Disney bought both Fox and National



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Geographic, and now you want to find Cosmos?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's on Disney Plus.



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Marc Preston: As a parent who's I've always been really



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Marc Preston: into the space, learning is something I've



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Marc Preston: always drunk up really easily and I'm



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Marc Preston: jazzed that my kids kind of got that same



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Marc Preston: bug a little bit.



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Marc Preston: Like I said, my daughter said, why don't



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Marc Preston: you talk to Neil deGrasse Tyson?



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Marc Preston: And I was like sure, I certainly appreciate



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Marc Preston: you being generous with your time.



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Marc Preston: This means a lot to me, certainly, and I



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Marc Preston: got these seven questions I like to ask.



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Marc Preston: The first question is what is your favorite



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Marc Preston: comfort food?



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Marc Preston: That thing that like brings you back to



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Marc Preston: your center.



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Marc Preston: You know, you just can sit down, munch on



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Marc Preston: it, whatever, or maybe a thought it brings



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Marc Preston: you back home.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You said munch and implied something



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: crunchy.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: A strawberry multi-milk solid food, a New



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: York pepperoni pizza, those two?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I could go to Mars on those two food groups.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I have them every single day and I would



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: not get tired.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm not quite tired of them.



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Marc Preston: Now, if you were going to sit down and have



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Marc Preston: a cup of coffee three people either alive



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Marc Preston: or in history, just to talk story for a few



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Marc Preston: hours who would those three people be?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I would say Joan of Arc, isaac Newton and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: maybe Martin Luther King Jr.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, these are people who represent sort



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: of extreme.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, two of them gave their lives



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: right for what they believed in, and I just



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: want to know what it feels like to think so



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: strongly about something that your life



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: doesn't even matter because the cause is



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: greater than your own life and that cause



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: is for the progressive.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, the cause is a good cause, not



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: some other cause.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, the Nazis had a cause.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's not the kind of cause I'm talking



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: about here, and so, and Isaac Newton, just



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: for his sheer brilliance, I think he's the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: smartest person I ever walked the face of



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the earth.



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Marc Preston: Now, as a kid growing up, who is your



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Marc Preston: celebrity crush?



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Marc Preston: I?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: didn't really have celebrity crushes.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I wasn't really into that.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I like baseball players I wanted to be.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Ron Bloomberg was the very first designated



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: hitter in all of baseball for the New York



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yankees and I loved how often he hit home



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: runs and logs.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you know, as a kid growing up in the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Bronx home of the Yankees, of course I



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: wanted to play for the Yankees.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: When I grew up I wanted to hit the way he



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: hit the ball.



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Marc Preston: I enjoyed the baseball.



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Marc Preston: You answered my second question Mets or



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Marc Preston: Yankees?



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Marc Preston: So that's.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, you got the Did I sound like the Bronx



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: dude.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, so no, I didn't really have a



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: celebrity crush.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I had a crush on my seventh grade math



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: teacher.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: How about that?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You?



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Marc Preston: know I had one of my eighth grade English



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Marc Preston: teacher but she was a Dallas Cowboy



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Marc Preston: cheerleader, so you know it was.



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Marc Preston: Let me tell you eighth grade boys and a



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Marc Preston: Dallas Cowboy cheerleader as a teacher.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's a bad mixture right there, yeah.



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Marc Preston: Indeed.



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Marc Preston: Now let's say you're going to be going to



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Marc Preston: an island.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Or let's say you're going to go to the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: resort.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Sorry, no, let me back up.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I had a crush.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I guess we could call it a crush.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I was a big fan of the TV series I Dream a



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Genie and it couldn't have just been a



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: crush on Barbara Eden, because he was an



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: astronaut going into space at NASA and I



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: was already interested in the universe.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So this was like double dipping for me,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: right?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Because she's beautiful and she has huge



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: powers that are just mind-bogglingly,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: staggeringly amazing, and he's an astronaut.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I guess I had a crush.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I enjoyed the show.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: For all of those reasons combined, I was



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: kind of honestly.



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Marc Preston: I was kind of the same way.



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Marc Preston: I was into the space thing and you know.



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Marc Preston: And then when I was a kid, one of the first



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Marc Preston: acting jobs I ever did was Dallas.



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Marc Preston: I was seven years old.



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Marc Preston: It was kind of wild seeing him.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, with my old guy.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yes, Major Nelson was a star of Dallas.



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Marc Preston: yes, yeah, he was.



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Marc Preston: Yeah, the 80s in Dallas.



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Marc Preston: That was a whole different story.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Tell me his name on that show again.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: His name was JR Ewing.



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Marc Preston: JR.



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Marc Preston: Yeah, who shot JR?



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Marc Preston: I remember that.



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Marc Preston: Now, if you were to go, from the time you



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Marc Preston: get up to the time you put your head down



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Marc Preston: to go to sleep, if you have a perfect day,



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Marc Preston: what are some of the component parts of



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Marc Preston: that perfect day for you?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, so I would make a brunch for the whole



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: family and then we might go somewhere fun,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: just somewhere with nothing to do, like to



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the beach or hiking.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm less a fan of hiking than I am laying



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: on the beach doing nothing.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's that.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Curl up altogether, make popcorn with



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: slightly too much butter on it and watch a



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: movie that none of us have seen yet, and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: then have a nice barbecue dinner and that's



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: a day with family.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: A day at work I would wake up, knock out



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: about 500 emails I would get 1500 a day or



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: so and then check my calendar, get some



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: things done, allocate three or four hours



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: for quality writing.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I enjoy having written, as they say, and so



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: you need good time slots for that.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's an old saying, which I didn't want



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: to agree with, but I think it's deeply true



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you want to be creative, you have to



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: become less productive.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So don't think of your day as a good day if



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: you've got a lot of stuff done.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Think of a day where you don't get anything



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: done, but you did a lot of thinking, a lot



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: of creative thinking.



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Marc Preston: There's no substitute for that it's kind of



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Marc Preston: like the Greeks back in the day.



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Marc Preston: They probably sat around just contemplating.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Thinking yes, yes, so on, where you just



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: sort of trade ideas in ways that you don't



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: fight about the ideas because you really



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: want to know how the other person thinks.



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Marc Preston: Man, we need more of that, yes.



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Marc Preston: Now, if you were not doing what you're



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Marc Preston: doing now for a living, what would be



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Marc Preston: choice number two, what would you be doing?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Well, it doesn't work that way for me.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It'd have to be another universe, because I



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: don't have the talent to do what I would do



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: next.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So it'd have to be another universe where



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'd have that talent.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I would write songs for Broadway musicals.



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Marc Preston: So do you check out musicals regularly?



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Marc Preston: Yeah, I love them.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I love the perfectly composed sentence,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: sung in a way that rhymes but doesn't feel



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: forced, and it communicates information and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: advances the plot.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That takes brilliance to do that,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: especially when it's perfectly scored



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Correct, correct, yeah, and I can't score



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: music.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So this is a whole other world that I'd be



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in, a music world that I'm not in right now.



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Marc Preston: Well, I've got one last question for the



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00:49:57,552 --> 00:49:58,776


Marc Preston: young and has a question for you.



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00:49:58,816 --> 00:50:00,060


Marc Preston: But, delorean, jump in.



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Marc Preston: You're going back to when you were 16 years



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Marc Preston: old and you have a couple minutes to share



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Marc Preston: a piece of wisdom, guidance, advice,



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Marc Preston: whatever have you that is going to put you



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Marc Preston: maybe on a better rail or maybe get you



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Marc Preston: where you want to be faster, better, more



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Marc Preston: comfortably, whatever you want to put it.



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Marc Preston: But what's that piece of advice to your



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Marc Preston: 16-year-old self?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I object to the question because it assumes



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: yeah, yeah, I know, I'll tell you why.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It assumes that there's a lesson that I



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: could be told about instead of experience,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and having been told about it would be as



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: impactful on my life as having experienced



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: it.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: My life is anybody's life is only about the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: sum of your life experiences, and your life



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: experiences define who you are.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The mistakes you made, the triumphs you've



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: had, the turmoil, the struggles all of



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: those go into who and what you are.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If someone says, do this, don't do that, do



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: this, don't do that, then what am I at the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: end of that, Having not experienced it,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: just being told it.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I will not trade my life experiences for



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: anything.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So no, I would go back to my 16-year-old



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and say keep going doing what you're doing.



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Marc Preston: That would be the advice if you want to



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Marc Preston: think of it that way, or maybe don't doubt



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Marc Preston: what you're doing, just keep on going.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, that's not, no doubt.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is you need to doubt sometimes.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Am I really into this?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Do I really want this?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Doubt has value because it can strengthen



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: your resolve for having had doubt in the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: first place.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You can't have someone come up to you and



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: say don't doubt it.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, therefore, I'm not going to doubt it.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The question is flawed in the actual real



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: world.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Unless you're a person who keeps making the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: same mistake, then you could use a Someone



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: slap you in the head, say don't make that



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: same mistake nine times in a row.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But if you learn from your mistakes, that



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: is the character profile of who and what



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: you become as you get older.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Period.



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Marc Preston: Very good.



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Marc Preston: Well, when I was speaking with a good



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Marc Preston: friend of mine who is the ultimate Star



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Marc Preston: Trek fan, loves everything space, he had a



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Marc Preston: good friend of mine, trey Elliott, back



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Marc Preston: home in Texas, whose son is going to your



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Marc Preston: alma mater right now, ut.



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Marc Preston: He had one question.



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Marc Preston: Two parties said just quick thought not the



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Marc Preston: men and women serving, but the idea and



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Marc Preston: concept of Space Force and the idea that



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Marc Preston: they're using the Star Trek logo.



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Marc Preston: What are your?



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Marc Preston: Do you have any thoughts on that?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's a variation on the Star Trek logo.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's inspired by the Star Trek logo.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: They're not actually using the Star Trek



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: logo.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: We've always had a Space Force.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It was called the Air Force Space Command



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and we've had it since the dawn of



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: satellites.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So this is like an accounting shift.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: People say, oh my gosh, we'll militarize



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: space.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The military has been in space ever since.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: We've had satellites.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's what spy satellites are.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's what any of that, that's what GPS is



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: was launched by the Air Force to give



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: coordinates for missiles and anyone else



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: navigating where there aren't navigation



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: lines, street signs like, for example, the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: ocean or the desert.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So don't overreact to the existence of the



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Space.



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Marc Preston: Force.



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Marc Preston: So you said it's just an accounting shift.



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Marc Preston: I got you.



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Marc Preston: I got you, we'll tell you what, if you



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Marc Preston: don't mind.



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Marc Preston: I have one question.



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Marc Preston: My little one here.



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Marc Preston: The little one this is my height has for



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Marc Preston: you.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh cool, Hello.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Hey, how old are you?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: 17.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: 17.



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Marc Preston: Cool, cool.



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Marc Preston: If time travel is theoretically possible,



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Marc Preston: does that mean our pasts and our futures



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Marc Preston: are?



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: currently existing right now.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So if we can imagine traveling both forward



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and backwards in time, since the time is



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: just like a coordinate, like you walk out



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: on the street and you can go up town or



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: downtown, right, we go east and west.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If time is just a coordinate, then it makes



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: sense to think of your life as always



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: existing.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You're always being born, you're always



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: being 17.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You're always a grandfather, you're always



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: dying, and then you just reoccupy that same



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: timeline, worldline, if you will, and then



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: you live out your life, that it preexists



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in the same way the street preexists.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It doesn't change every time you go out



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: there.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But if, let's say, you cannot go backwards



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in time but we know you can go forwards in



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: time with relativity there had to be some



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: rule that's preventing it.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And Hawking imagined what we call it time



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: travel conjecture, where if you go back in



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: time and prevent your parents from meeting,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: then you're never born, so that you can't



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: go back in time to prevent your parents



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: from meeting.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's a paradox.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So he said there must be some law of



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: physics of the universe that prevents you



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: from going back in time because you can't



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: let that happen.



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So if that's the case, then you can think



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: of us as, not on a preexisting timeline,



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: but always, forever transitioning from an



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Neil deGrasse Tyson: inaccessible past to an unknowable future.



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Marc Preston: Dr Tyson.



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Marc Preston: Again, thank you for being generous with



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Marc Preston: your time.



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Marc Preston: Best of luck again.



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Marc Preston: The book Welcome to the Universe in 3D a



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Marc Preston: visual tour, part of four books and it's



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Marc Preston: Welcome to the Universenet, correct?



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Marc Preston: You can find them all there.



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Marc Preston: Exactly what a cool guy.



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Marc Preston: Really enjoyed the chat with Neil deGrasse



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Marc Preston: Tyson and very cool, my son had a chance to



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Marc Preston: you know, come in, ask a question.



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Marc Preston: My kids grew up watching Cosmos so this was



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Marc Preston: kind of a neat thing for him and of course,



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Marc Preston: for me and of course for you as well.



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Marc Preston: So if you're kind of a space nerd like me,



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Marc Preston: this had to be a lot of fun.



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Marc Preston: Don't forget the book he has out.



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Marc Preston: It is really neat.



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Marc Preston: It is called Welcome to the Universe in 3D



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Marc Preston: a visual tour.



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Marc Preston: It's an interactive book, a little



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Marc Preston: something different than you're used to.



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Marc Preston: I think it's something kind of neat to get



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Marc Preston: a kid who is into space stuff space stuff



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Marc Preston: that's the technical term, you see, and, as



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Marc Preston: he mentioned, you want to catch Cosmos.



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Marc Preston: Disney Plus is where you can find Cosmos



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Marc Preston: right now.



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Marc Preston: Once again, thank you very much for being



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Neil deGrasse Tyson Profile Photo

Neil deGrasse Tyson

Astrophysicist, American Museum of Natural History

Neil deGrasse Tyson is director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History and the author of many books, including Astrophysics for People in a Hurry. Michael A. Strauss is professor of astrophysical sciences at Princeton University. J. Richard Gott is professor emeritus of astrophysical sciences at Princeton. Robert J. Vanderbei is a professor at Princeton whose books include Sizing Up the Universe: The Cosmos in Perspective (with J. Richard Gott).