On this episode of The Story & Craft Podcast, we sit down with astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson from the Hayden Planetarium. It was a great chat where we discussed his new book, “Welcome to The Universe in 3D: A Visual Tour.” We also discussed his origin story, his favorite sci-fi and more - including the chance meeting and collaboration with Seth MacFarlane that brought Cosmos back to TV. Neil is a great educator and guide to many that like to look up to the sky for inspiration. It was a pleasure to talk story with the dynamic personality that is “Your Personal Astrophysicist”, Neil deGrasse Tyson.
SHOW HIGHLIGHTS
0:03:35 - Neil deGrasse Tyson Reflects on Cosmos
0:07:56 - Talented Adults Shaped Our Interests
0:09:29 - Astrophysics, Role Models, and Lost Knowledge
0:18:08 - NASA, Private Enterprise, and Space Exploration
0:22:25 - Making the Universe Accessible
0:29:02 - Living on Mars
0:30:17 - Science in Movies and Space-Time Concept
0:41:22 - Cosmos on Disney Plus
0:44:53 - Childhood Crushes and TV Shows
0:48:59 - Dream Job
0:53:42 - Time Travel and Paradoxes
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: At the time I became friends with Seth
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: McFarlane.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: He came up to me and says you know, I came
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: into some money recently.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is there any good I can do?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said, oh my gosh, why don't you, you
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: know, fund a pilot for Cosmos so we can
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: show people what it's gonna look like?
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Announcer: Welcome to Story and Craft.
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Announcer: Now here's your host, Marc Preston.
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Marc Preston: Alright, here we go Back again.
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Marc Preston: Neil deGrasse Tyson he doesn't need an
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Marc Preston: introduction.
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Marc Preston: I mean, who doesn't know Neil deGrasse
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Marc Preston: Tyson?
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Marc Preston: Astrophysicist from the Hayden Planetarium
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Marc Preston: and just a real cool personality.
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Marc Preston: Really enjoyed this chat.
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Marc Preston: We discussed a lot of things.
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Marc Preston: Of course, his new book, Welcome to the
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Marc Preston: Universe in 3D, a visual tour, Kind of an
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Marc Preston: interactive book.
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Marc Preston: We'll discuss that also.
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Marc Preston: Just generally, his origin story.
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Marc Preston: What kind of sci-fi movies he enjoys.
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Marc Preston: Which ones does he think are on point and
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Marc Preston: It is Neil DeGrasse Tyson Day right here on
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Marc Preston: Well, Dr Tyson, thank you for taking time
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Marc Preston: out.
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Marc Preston: And Neil, please, I got to be honest, I did
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Marc Preston: very little prep for this because I'm like
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Marc Preston: answers to and it was really funny my
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Marc Preston: We were talking.
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Marc Preston: She grew up as well as my other two kids on
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Marc Preston: Cosmos.
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Announcer: She's like Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
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Marc Preston: I was like, obviously, so here we are.
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Marc Preston: So my 16-year-old executive producer just
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Marc Preston: arranged, but congratulations on the new
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Marc Preston: What a cool idea for a book though 3D
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, it was a little bit audacious because
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: it's two images merged into one in your
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But people don't do this with cosmic
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: objects, right, and we did it with cosmic
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So the moon pops and the moon goes from
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: front of you and it becomes more real and
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: visceral and you end up feeling the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: universe in addition to thinking about it,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and I think that's its value.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Just, welcome to the universe in 3D.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: By the way, the, as I said on the on that
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that I would narrate every caption and load
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that up to bonus content in the Welcome to
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the Universenet web page and in that bonus
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: content as you go through one picture at
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the next, and then I use my planetarium
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: voice to narrate each caption.
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Marc Preston: That brings up a really interesting point.
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Marc Preston: My my kids are like is he always like that
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Marc Preston: Like, is there so used to you on Cosmos
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Marc Preston: being this wonderful narrator, this tour
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Marc Preston: guide, is it worth?
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Marc Preston: I was like no, I love his enthusiasm and
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Marc Preston: I'm like that's, that's Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Marc Preston: that I've grown to love.
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Marc Preston: And they're like wow, that's kind of cool.
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Marc Preston: You see, you're still kind of a kid?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, I mean Cosmos.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's so much that had to come together
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: We thought of possibly filming it, just me
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But the timing of everything had to fit.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: With the animations, with the, with the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the, the, the narrations, above other
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So every word had to fit the timing
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: perfectly, and so that's that's what we did.
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Marc Preston: It reminded me of something a seven, maybe
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Marc Preston: at that point in time we're the same age,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I'm thinking I'll remember.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Whatever, if it's a social-cultural thing,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'd be right in the middle of that.
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Marc Preston: And I remember my parents got me a hardback
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Marc Preston: It was about Ye Big.
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Marc Preston: It was a big, big glossy cover and it's a
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Marc Preston: It wasn't kind of cartoony illustrations
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Marc Preston: It was the first time I was exposed to that,
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Marc Preston: So to the point that I've still never
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Marc Preston: gotten a telescope.
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Marc Preston: That's been something that's been on my
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Marc Preston: agenda since I was six.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No excuse there, but I can tell you my
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: version of that was I realized just how big
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the Earth was all right, the fact that you
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: To me Earth was huge.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And then to realize that Earth is small
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Marc Preston: You know another thing?
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Marc Preston: I did, do a little bit of research, Found
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Marc Preston: out you went to UT I'm a native Texan and I
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I was born and raised in New York City,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: My high school, however, was the Bronx High
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: There I went on to major in physics at
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: From there I went to Columbia University
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: for my PhD in astrophysics and from there
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: then I was called a postdoc, which is what
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I postdoc at Princeton University so that's
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and from there I was courted by the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: which was the first place I'd ever seen a
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Marc Preston: Let's get him to this school.
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Marc Preston: He's a smart guy.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So my parents would never put things ahead
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I would do this.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that is not a feasible suggestion.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That is not plausible Only because I'm not
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: because I want it to be true, but it
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: sensibly stated as fact, because it's a
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: very likely fact, because so much of what
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: we do know about the world was only enabled
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: by the invention of methods and tools of
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: science the telescope, the microscope, the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: particle accelerator, space travel, space
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: probes.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Ancients had none of this.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: They only had their five senses, which are
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: weak and feeble at best.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: At best, Science and technology,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: engineering didn't take off until we could
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: replace our five senses with machines that
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: could do it better and faster and more
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: accurately and more reliably.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So no, there's not a bit of science that
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm imagining was known by the ancients and
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the lost, and we're still going to have to
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: discover it one day.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't think that for a minute.
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Marc Preston: Well, very good, well, that kind of tethers
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Marc Preston: together.
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Marc Preston: The second part of the question is I'm
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Marc Preston: trying to figure out a way to ask you
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Marc Preston: without sounding at all political, because
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Marc Preston: it's not, but you can sound political, I
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Marc Preston: don't care.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: We live in a world that has politics right,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: so let's not stand a denial of that.
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Marc Preston: Well, in the US, depending on the century,
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Marc Preston: the idea of anti-intellectualism.
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Marc Preston: You're a scientist, Like you said.
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Marc Preston: Over the course of hundreds of millennia
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Marc Preston: we've come up with a scientific method.
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Marc Preston: What do you think about generally
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Marc Preston: anti-intellectualism?
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Marc Preston: Do you think there is an aspect of that in
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Marc Preston: our culture that kind of holds us back from
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Marc Preston: where we could be?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, anything, if we recognize science and
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: technology as the engines of progress,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: however we might define that and we could
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: debate even that.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But let's assume progress in civilization
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: is something that's in the interest of your
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: health and longevity and harmony with the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: world.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And what civilization has done enabled,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: empowered by the methods and tools of
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: science, especially since the Industrial
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Revolution has greatly enhanced human
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: health, wealth and well-being.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So if anyone wants to stand against the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: intellectual foundations that bring these
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: discoveries to civilization that, by the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: way, in a free society, sure go ahead and
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: do that.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But if you rise to power and then you have
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the power to legislate anti-intellectualism,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: then that's a regressive force on
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: civilization and you will delay future
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: discoveries on what would happen.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: By the way, you can ask why would someone
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: like that even arise in the modern world?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I don't remember there being much
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: anti-intellectualism in the 1960s, for
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: example, when we were going to the moon.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But I can tell you this that I know a lot
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: of people who are intellectuals and they
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: have like a disdain for those who are not,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and that's not good.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That can't end well.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's because intellectuals are
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: outnumbered by non-intellectuals, so that's
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: not going to end well.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But if you're an intellectual and you can't
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: have a conversation with someone without
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: having them feel inferior to you, then you
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: should just shut the fuck up, okay, go back
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: to the lab and get out of the public.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Pardon my language.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm just saying that you're.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The attitude that so many people have who
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: would count as intellectuals is
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: counterproductive if you want people to
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: embrace what it is intellectuals do.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The very title of intellectual carries a
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: value judgment, and so when I give public
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: talks, well, we introduce you.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, don't just say you're personal
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: astrophysicists.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: How about your degrees?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Don't even put the degrees.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: How about your PhD?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Don't that's irrelevant.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know why it's irrelevant?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Because if you need to know what degree I
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: have to decide whether you're going to
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: listen to what I say, then my arguments
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: can't really be that compelling.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The burden is on me to be compelling to you,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: without regard to status, educational or
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: otherwise.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's how I think about this.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I think the intellectuals are half to
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: blame for the intellectual, the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: anti-intellectual climate that we've seen
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in recent decades.
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Marc Preston: You had a wonderful quote.
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Marc Preston: I found this somewhere.
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Marc Preston: Don't even ask me where, because I don't
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Marc Preston: remember.
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Marc Preston: But if I'm misquoting you please let me
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Marc Preston: know.
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Marc Preston: But I love this.
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Marc Preston: You said the problem in society is not kids
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Marc Preston: not knowing science, the problem is adults
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Marc Preston: not knowing science.
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Marc Preston: They outnumber kids five to one, they wield
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Marc Preston: power, they write your legislation.
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Marc Preston: When you have scientifically literate
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Marc Preston: adults, you have—I'm sorry—when you have
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Marc Preston: scientifically illiterate adults—I need a
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Marc Preston: better glasses here—you have undermined the
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Marc Preston: very fabric of what makes a nation wealthy
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Marc Preston: and strong.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: For context, that came off of a question.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I've said that multiple ways and different
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: ways, but often it comes off of the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: question what do we need to do to get our
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: kids interested in science?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said kids are born curious about the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: world.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: They're born scientists.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm not worried about the kids, I'm worried
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: about the scientifically illiterate adults.
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Marc Preston: And then it leads into that entire set of
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Marc Preston: sentences that you accurately conveyed,
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Marc Preston: like coming out with this book again—let me
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Marc Preston: go and make sure I say a title—Welcome to
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Marc Preston: the Universe and 3D Visual Tour being
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Marc Preston: turned on by what's out.
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Marc Preston: There is such an easy thing.
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Marc Preston: It's infinite curiosity, there's infinite
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Marc Preston: bigness, you know.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I got good material.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The Universe is good material.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So, by the way, that book is one in a
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: series of four books.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't know if I said it at the beginning.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Welcome to the Universenet.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That website has all four books, the most
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: recent one in 3D and that's the one that
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: has my narration of the captions.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But that entire series is an attempt to
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: make the Universe accessible to you in many
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: different formats, because not everyone
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: receives knowledge in the same way.
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Marc Preston: When I was younger I remember watching the
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Marc Preston: movie the Right Stuff.
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Marc Preston: That era of space travel and that
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Marc Preston: excitement—you know about the 60s that
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Marc Preston: predated me a little bit, you know to where.
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Marc Preston: I wasn't as aware of it, but I was really
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Marc Preston: loved that movie.
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Marc Preston: It brought me to NASA.
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Marc Preston: I was always intrigued by NASA.
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Marc Preston: Now we're living in an era where you've got
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Marc Preston: private industry getting involved more
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Marc Preston: directly.
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Marc Preston: What are your thoughts about that kind of
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Marc Preston: mix?
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Marc Preston: How much should NASA be doing?
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Marc Preston: Our billionaires are getting involved.
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Marc Preston: Should NASA always be leading the charge,
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Marc Preston: you think, or do you think that private
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Marc Preston: industry really is going that direction?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's a simple answer, actually.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you want NASA to do things that have
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: never been done before?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Private Enterprise has no business model to
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: justify doing things that have never been
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: done before.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If that thing that has never been done
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: before is expensive and dangerous and has
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: no obvious return on the investment, then
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: they just simply won't do it.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But you could do it as a vanity project,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: right?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So Bezos and Branson can get together and
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: say let's put humans on Mars.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: They could do that, they have enough money
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: to do that.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But the shareholders, in whatever pocket of
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: money that's coming from, would definitely
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: object because there's no return on that
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: investment.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: A nation can do that, because a nation has
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: geopolitical reasons for doing things and
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: they have a much longer time horizon for a
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: return on their investment.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: In fact, they might not even need a return
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: on their investment.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The return might just be soft power
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: projected around the world.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It could be economic power, it could be
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: anything.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It could be an actual literal enemy, as we
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: had in the Cold War.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you need NASA to do things that have
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: never been done before and then, once you
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: can characterize the cost, the risks, the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: benefits, then Private Enterprise comes and
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: does it.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I was just so surprised when Elon Musk had
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: a ship to cargo resupply to the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: International Space Station and the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: headline was new era in space, the Private
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Enterprise taking over the thing they're
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: doing, what NASA's been doing for 30 years.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So yeah, let Private Enterprise do the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: routine things and with proper business
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: models they could probably do it more
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: cheaply and more efficiently and grow the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: industry.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So the mix is very simple If it's never
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: been done before, you let NASA do it.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Once NASA figures out how to do it, private
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Enterprise comes in see if they can make it
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: work.
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Marc Preston: You mentioned the moon and Mars.
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Marc Preston: I don't know why, I don't know this, but is
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Marc Preston: there any kind of set like, ok, we're going
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Marc Preston: to go to moon, the Mars, beyond that, I
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Marc Preston: don't know what.
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Marc Preston: Is there a plan?
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Marc Preston: Is there a discussion?
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Marc Preston: For where are we going?
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Marc Preston: What's the objective once we do get the
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Marc Preston: Mars?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, you're thinking linearly, as are most
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: people, so I'm not accusing you of that.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm highlighting that fact.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If, instead, you think in terms of
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: capability rather than sequences of
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: destinations, imagine a future where we
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: have a warehouse of launch vessels of all
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: combinations, and you tell me what you want
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: to do.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You want to look for life in the craters of
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Mars.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Well, that's this combination of rockets
707
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and it's a science mission.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you get funding for that from the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: National Science Foundation or from NASA,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and then you go look for life on Mars.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You want to set up an amusement park on the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: moon where all the rides are in 1-6th G.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That would be kind of fun.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's this set of things.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And now you need habitat modules and you
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: want to mine an asteroid for its natural
717
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: resources and the rare earth elements that
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: are common on an asteroid, even if they're
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: rare on Earth.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's this combination of launch vehicles.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, you want to sell water to everyone else
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: who is in space without having to bring it
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: from Earth.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you're going to lasso a comet.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, let's go ahead and do that.
726
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Put the ices sell liters of water to
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: whoever needs it in orbit.
728
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Wait a minute.
729
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's an asteroid headed our way.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: We need somebody to deflect it.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh my gosh, maybe the military is involved.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's a different set of vehicles, a
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: different set of launch parameters, a
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: different set of tools necessary once you
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: arrive there.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, you want to beam energy from the sun
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: back to Earth from a special Lagrangian
738
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: point, that's, you're going to build that
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in free space.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's not on the surface of anything.
741
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's a whole other task.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You add all this up.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: These are capabilities brought to you by a
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: warehouse of launch vehicles.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's what I imagine the future of our
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: relationship to space will be.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, it's kind of sort of like, instead of
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Marc Preston: just like a lab, we kind of look at our
749
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Marc Preston: solar systems as one just big lab kind of A
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Marc Preston: backyard, I wouldn't have to say lab.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: you might want to just joyride.
752
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's not a lab, you know.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You don't have to think of this
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: scientifically.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If it can make a buck, I'm all down with
756
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: going to that amusement park on moon.
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Marc Preston: That actually, it seems like you know you
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Marc Preston: get Disney enough.
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Marc Preston: You know Disney, I got a couple bucks.
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Marc Preston: They'll figure it out one way or another.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, exactly Exactly when you were talking
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Marc Preston: about.
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Marc Preston: That reminds me.
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Marc Preston: I don't know if you ever have seen the TV
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Marc Preston: show the Expanse.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's on my list.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: By the way, in the next month I'm going to
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: binge and I probably get.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I expect to get through all of them.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I know that several years of them but it's
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: on my list, it's not going to spoil it for
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: you at all.
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Marc Preston: I just think it's the most eloquent blend
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Marc Preston: of science, sociology, psychology.
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Marc Preston: I mean it's you know.
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Marc Preston: You look at it like what if I was talking
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Marc Preston: with my kids the other day about it?
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Marc Preston: What if we put humans on Mars?
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Marc Preston: Hopefully, I mean it's going to happen one
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Marc Preston: day.
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Marc Preston: But let's say they're there a few decades,
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Marc Preston: 100 years, I'll say a generation.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But, by the way, they said that in 1969.
784
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: We'll have people on Mars by 1985.
785
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you have to ask yourself what is
786
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: motivating you to presume that to be true.
787
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And once you do that analysis, don't be so
788
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: certain that we'll just have people
789
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: frolicking on Mars.
790
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Just don't be so certain.
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Marc Preston: I'm trying to be infinitely optimistic and
792
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Marc Preston: just hoping one day I'll say I'll hope one
793
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Marc Preston: day we actually get the better.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's better.
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Marc Preston: That's the more accurate thing to go.
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Marc Preston: Let's say we land there decades or a
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Marc Preston: generation or two.
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Marc Preston: I'm fascinated by the sociology, the
799
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Marc Preston: psychology of it.
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Marc Preston: We're there, but what's their connection to
801
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Marc Preston: generations down Like?
802
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Marc Preston: Do they consider themselves Martians?
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Marc Preston: If you're born on Mars, you're a Martian.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You'd have to ask what is your citizenship?
805
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Do you have a citizenship?
806
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is it a Mars government?
807
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you know, if it's not Earth government
808
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and someone kills somebody else, is it
809
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: murder?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If there are no laws that say it's murder
811
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: on Mars, is it a Wild West?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: These all need to be resolved.
813
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: By the way, I love the.
814
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Marc Preston: it was one of those things I put off and I
815
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Marc Preston: finally started binging it.
816
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Marc Preston: I thought it was so well done.
817
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Marc Preston: I'm kind of a nerd, so I it satisfied that
818
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Marc Preston: side as well as me being an actor, I can
819
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Marc Preston: confess being a nerd.
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Marc Preston: Be where it proudly.
821
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Marc Preston: But the thing I'm curious about is what
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Marc Preston: sci-fi show, movie, what do you think has
823
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Marc Preston: gotten it pretty right in terms of the
824
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Marc Preston: science?
825
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Marc Preston: What has come out of Hollywood do you think
826
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Marc Preston: has been on point?
827
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Marc Preston: Who's gotten the science right so?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: definitely the Martian.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, there's almost no contest there.
830
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The author was an engineer, I mean Andy
831
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Weir.
832
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: He's an engineer and he thought long and
833
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: deep and hard about how to keep Marc Watney
834
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: alive for two years on Mars, the, the, the
835
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: botany, the engineering, the astrophysics,
836
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the mathematics, the all of this.
837
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And for me that film, which had Marc he
838
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: director and Marc he actors in it, was the
839
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: first of its kind, in that science itself
840
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: was a character in the film.
841
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You wanted to know what the science was
842
00:31:22,091 --> 00:31:25,486
Neil deGrasse Tyson: going to do next, more than you cared about
843
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the.
844
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know the you know every one of these
845
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: space movies has.
846
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's the astronaut in there and there's
847
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: they have a newborn back on earth and
848
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: they're touching the video screen and look
849
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: at your new, your new daughter, and I'll
850
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: think could you hurry that up please?
851
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I want to know if Marc Watney is going to
852
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: live another day.
853
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So, other than one scientific flaw, which
854
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: was necessary, otherwise that was not a
855
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: story the rest was just brilliantly done.
856
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Another one is deep impact, very good
857
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: asteroid science, in fact, excellent
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: science, asteroid science.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And another one very close in time to that
860
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: one was contact, based on the Carl Sagan
861
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: novel.
862
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That doesn't take place in the future.
863
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's in the present, but it's an
864
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: exploration of how we might all respond to
865
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: such a discovery if it happened in our
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: times and not all of it is pretty.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I think Carl was very honest with ourselves
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: about how we would treat that information
869
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and the sociology of and they had the you
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: know, of course, matthew McConaughey, you
871
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: have something, somebody theological, you
872
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: got science.
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Marc Preston: You have, you know, money involved, and I
874
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Marc Preston: love movies that have you asking questions
875
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Marc Preston: afterwards, you know, and have you
876
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Marc Preston: contemplating things you didn't before.
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Marc Preston: Well, that way they get you to see it twice.
878
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Marc Preston: You see, and then you get they get twice
879
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Marc Preston: the revenue.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: What I love, having kids.
881
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I got three teenagers.
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Marc Preston: I can go back to this whole bank of like
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Marc Preston: movies and I'm like you must watch this
884
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Marc Preston: movie.
885
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Marc Preston: It's so good.
886
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Marc Preston: I'm realizing all these movies came out
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Marc Preston: they still haven't seen but interstellar.
888
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Marc Preston: I remember taking my oldest, who's now 19,
889
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Marc Preston: to go see that and because of some level
890
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Marc Preston: that was to me it's kind of a daddy
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Marc Preston: daughter movie.
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Marc Preston: At some level there was a storyline in
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Marc Preston: there, but it really was intriguing the way
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Marc Preston: they address black holes.
895
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Marc Preston: Which brings me to the question.
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Marc Preston: The idea that black holes destroy data and
897
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Marc Preston: information is one thing.
898
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Marc Preston: That information is one theory and then
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Marc Preston: there's no other theory.
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Marc Preston: It's like no, it's just it still exists, it
901
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Marc Preston: just goes somewhere.
902
00:33:16,435 --> 00:33:18,821
Marc Preston: What is the current theory on what?
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Marc Preston: What happens when something goes into a
904
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Marc Preston: black hole?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: We're leaning towards the idea that black
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: holes do not destroy information, that all
907
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: of the information that passes through the
908
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: event horizon is remembered and, in fact,
909
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: encoded on the event horizon itself All
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: information.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: This is, this is the emergent understanding,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: based on what the theories of physics are
913
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: telling us that these are theories of
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: physics that are well tested in other
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: realms, and so we're extrapolating into new,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: new realms with the same theories.
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Marc Preston: So the confidence we have derives from how
918
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Marc Preston: successful these theories have been in
919
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Marc Preston: other, in other regimes, because isn't
920
00:34:02,220 --> 00:34:04,451
Marc Preston: there a theory that that there was, in turn,
921
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Marc Preston: what we call it the multiverse, or
922
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Marc Preston: alternate universes that may exist?
923
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Marc Preston: Isn't there a theory that black holes may
924
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Marc Preston: be some kind of portal or link, or is that?
925
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Marc Preston: Is that still just purely theoretical?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you look at the what's all, it's all
927
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: theoretical.
928
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Don't just say it's just theoretical,
929
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: because equals MC squared is Einstein's
930
00:34:21,936 --> 00:34:24,564
Neil deGrasse Tyson: theory of relativity and it you make bombs
931
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: out of that.
932
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So there's never an occasion to denigrate
933
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: something being theoretical if it's been
934
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: tested and supported.
935
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So so his.
936
00:34:34,782 --> 00:34:39,351
Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you follow the, the math into the black
937
00:34:39,391 --> 00:34:42,999
Neil deGrasse Tyson: hole, what happens is an entire other space
938
00:34:43,059 --> 00:34:46,026
Neil deGrasse Tyson: time opens up in front of you as the one
939
00:34:46,066 --> 00:34:47,289
Neil deGrasse Tyson: behind you closes off.
940
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And so, yes, black holes may indeed be
941
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: portals to whole other.
942
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I guess we can call them universes, sure,
943
00:34:56,908 --> 00:34:58,174
Neil deGrasse Tyson: because they don't connect with the one you
944
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: just came from.
945
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But it's intriguing, and this is highly
946
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: untapped material for science fiction.
947
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Marc Preston: What do you think is a good book, or a
948
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:09,455
Marc Preston: movie or explanation?
949
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Marc Preston: It's, let me say, time space.
950
00:35:11,856 --> 00:35:13,159
Marc Preston: It's kind of hard to get.
951
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,264
Marc Preston: Even I sometimes have a hard time getting
952
00:35:15,284 --> 00:35:15,845
Marc Preston: my head around it.
953
00:35:16,005 --> 00:35:16,747
Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, it's easy.
954
00:35:16,887 --> 00:35:17,388
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'll tell you why.
955
00:35:18,156 --> 00:35:20,241
Neil deGrasse Tyson: If I say, hey, let's, let's go have lunch
956
00:35:20,301 --> 00:35:24,876
Neil deGrasse Tyson: tomorrow at 12 noon, you say sure, what's
957
00:35:24,896 --> 00:35:25,699
Neil deGrasse Tyson: your next question to me?
958
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,488
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Where, where, where.
959
00:35:28,595 --> 00:35:31,180
Neil deGrasse Tyson: You intuitively know that the time
960
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:36,129
Neil deGrasse Tyson: coordinate is incomplete in order to assure
961
00:35:36,335 --> 00:35:38,720
Neil deGrasse Tyson: that the two of us meet up for lunch.
962
00:35:39,923 --> 00:35:41,566
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, I'm in New York City.
963
00:35:41,586 --> 00:35:44,177
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Those are sirens, right, you know that
964
00:35:44,277 --> 00:35:44,839
Neil deGrasse Tyson: intuitively.
965
00:35:45,943 --> 00:35:50,503
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, so now I say, hey, let's go meet at
966
00:35:50,563 --> 00:35:53,509
Neil deGrasse Tyson: the corner deli tomorrow for breakfast.
967
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And what's your next question to me?
968
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Marc Preston: Uh, corner deli tomorrow for breakfast.
969
00:35:57,801 --> 00:35:58,062
Marc Preston: It'd be.
970
00:35:58,102 --> 00:35:58,905
Marc Preston: What time, what?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: time.
972
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So the first case, I gave you a place a
973
00:36:03,884 --> 00:36:06,399
Neil deGrasse Tyson: time but not a place, and you said I need
974
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the place.
975
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And next time, I gave you the place but not
976
00:36:08,761 --> 00:36:09,945
Neil deGrasse Tyson: a time, you said I need the time.
977
00:36:11,096 --> 00:36:13,223
Neil deGrasse Tyson: This is evidence that we live in a space
978
00:36:13,283 --> 00:36:13,624
Neil deGrasse Tyson: time.
979
00:36:13,684 --> 00:36:17,341
Neil deGrasse Tyson: World, space and time only have meaning in
980
00:36:17,441 --> 00:36:22,733
Neil deGrasse Tyson: our lives when they connect in what we call
981
00:36:22,874 --> 00:36:23,455
Neil deGrasse Tyson: world lines.
982
00:36:23,857 --> 00:36:25,847
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Your world line is your movement through
983
00:36:25,907 --> 00:36:27,515
Neil deGrasse Tyson: space and time at all times.
984
00:36:28,056 --> 00:36:30,685
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's why, when you cross a street, you're
985
00:36:30,705 --> 00:36:33,896
Neil deGrasse Tyson: not flattened by the truck that was in the
986
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: very same spot.
987
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,626
Neil deGrasse Tyson: You are because it's not in the same spot
988
00:36:38,827 --> 00:36:39,709
Neil deGrasse Tyson: at the same time.
989
00:36:41,216 --> 00:36:44,245
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So world lines are this ingenious way to
990
00:36:44,325 --> 00:36:47,775
Neil deGrasse Tyson: understand the world, so that everything
991
00:36:48,118 --> 00:36:49,691
Neil deGrasse Tyson: doesn't all happen in the same place at the
992
00:36:49,732 --> 00:36:50,115
Neil deGrasse Tyson: same time.
993
00:36:51,661 --> 00:36:53,448
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Now, one thing that zoom calls have done
994
00:36:53,469 --> 00:36:55,075
Neil deGrasse Tyson: during the pandemic a silver lining there
995
00:36:56,498 --> 00:36:56,578
Neil deGrasse Tyson: is.
996
00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:00,287
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It has removed the time coordinate that is
997
00:37:00,387 --> 00:37:04,145
Neil deGrasse Tyson: normally required for people to connect All.
998
00:37:04,165 --> 00:37:05,313
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, I'm sorry, it's removed the space
999
00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:05,555
Neil deGrasse Tyson: coordinate.
00:37:06,861 --> 00:37:09,312
Neil deGrasse Tyson: All you need is a time coordinate zoom call
00:37:09,352 --> 00:37:10,035
Neil deGrasse Tyson: tomorrow at noon.
00:37:10,035 --> 00:37:11,795
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't care where you are in the world,
00:37:12,617 --> 00:37:14,735
Neil deGrasse Tyson: you dial into the zoom call and we're there.
00:37:17,685 --> 00:37:18,708
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So it's a reMarcable.
00:37:18,728 --> 00:37:20,133
Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you want to think about it on a deeper
00:37:20,213 --> 00:37:20,575
Neil deGrasse Tyson: level, a zoom call.
00:37:20,595 --> 00:37:24,949
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is our space time coordinates intersecting
00:37:25,771 --> 00:37:26,634
Neil deGrasse Tyson: without space being a parameter in that
00:37:26,654 --> 00:37:26,915
Neil deGrasse Tyson: intersection?
00:37:28,101 --> 00:37:29,488
Marc Preston: When I hear space time, I never really got
00:37:29,508 --> 00:37:30,755
Marc Preston: a full definition to where I understand it.
00:37:30,978 --> 00:37:32,034
Marc Preston: No, yeah, just you overthink it.
00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:34,861
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's simple.
00:37:42,274 --> 00:37:43,356
Marc Preston: Now Cosmos.
00:37:43,596 --> 00:37:46,040
Marc Preston: My kids grew up on it and it's funny
00:37:46,081 --> 00:37:48,344
Marc Preston: because I remember being younger in Carl
00:37:48,364 --> 00:37:48,625
Marc Preston: Sagan.
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:50,274
Marc Preston: Did you ever have a chance to sit down and
00:37:50,314 --> 00:37:51,318
Marc Preston: spend time with Carl Sagan?
00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:55,180
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So people like to describe him as my mentor,
00:37:55,241 --> 00:37:57,408
Neil deGrasse Tyson: but I was probably only in his company
00:37:57,970 --> 00:38:00,817
Neil deGrasse Tyson: maybe four times in my life, maybe five
00:38:00,957 --> 00:38:04,995
Neil deGrasse Tyson: times in my life, and so again, I don't.
00:38:05,617 --> 00:38:07,462
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It wasn't about role models as people.
00:38:07,570 --> 00:38:10,342
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It was about whoever they were and whatever
00:38:10,382 --> 00:38:10,864
Neil deGrasse Tyson: they did.
00:38:11,085 --> 00:38:12,290
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Was it something worth emulating?
00:38:12,330 --> 00:38:14,291
Neil deGrasse Tyson: And then you emulate it, Whether or not
00:38:14,311 --> 00:38:16,237
Neil deGrasse Tyson: they're standing next to you as a coach.
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:18,739
Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, if you study someone hard enough,
00:38:18,779 --> 00:38:20,270
Neil deGrasse Tyson: you can figure out how they do it and why
00:38:20,491 --> 00:38:23,441
Neil deGrasse Tyson: and what motivates them and what they do.
00:38:23,522 --> 00:38:25,509
Neil deGrasse Tyson: That would best fit for how you do it or
00:38:25,529 --> 00:38:26,313
Neil deGrasse Tyson: how you want to do it.
00:38:28,153 --> 00:38:29,797
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So, yeah, so we were never beer drinking
00:38:29,817 --> 00:38:31,080
Neil deGrasse Tyson: buddies, but we knew each other.
00:38:31,181 --> 00:38:33,778
Marc Preston: Yes, Well, did Seth MacFarlane?
00:38:33,838 --> 00:38:35,385
Marc Preston: Did he approach you with this idea?
00:38:35,506 --> 00:38:37,493
Marc Preston: Or who knocked on whose door about the idea
00:38:37,553 --> 00:38:39,759
Marc Preston: of bringing back cosmos and its current
00:38:39,859 --> 00:38:40,401
Marc Preston: incarnation?
00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:43,818
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So Andrewian is the Carl Sagan's widow.
00:38:44,690 --> 00:38:46,596
Neil deGrasse Tyson: She's the secret sauce of all three
00:38:46,656 --> 00:38:47,258
Neil deGrasse Tyson: cosmoses.
00:38:48,330 --> 00:38:50,134
Neil deGrasse Tyson: She's, though, not a scientist herself.
00:38:50,194 --> 00:38:53,822
Neil deGrasse Tyson: She's deeply connected to what it is to be
00:38:53,882 --> 00:38:58,094
Neil deGrasse Tyson: scientifically literate, and she doesn't
00:38:58,314 --> 00:39:00,520
Neil deGrasse Tyson: simply know the universe, she feels the
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:00,941
Neil deGrasse Tyson: universe.
00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:04,535
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Almost every amazing line to come out of
00:39:04,575 --> 00:39:07,421
Neil deGrasse Tyson: cosmos, all three cosmoses, almost every
00:39:07,481 --> 00:39:10,534
Neil deGrasse Tyson: line where you just have to pause and say
00:39:10,594 --> 00:39:13,333
Neil deGrasse Tyson: wow, I feel that it's traceable to
00:39:13,413 --> 00:39:20,123
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Andrewian, and so she and I met as serving
00:39:20,303 --> 00:39:22,929
Neil deGrasse Tyson: on the board of the Planetary Society, an
00:39:22,949 --> 00:39:24,957
Neil deGrasse Tyson: organization that Carl Sagan co-founded
00:39:24,997 --> 00:39:27,770
Neil deGrasse Tyson: back in 1980.
00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:29,695
Neil deGrasse Tyson: And the conversation came up about whether
00:39:30,116 --> 00:39:31,379
Neil deGrasse Tyson: cosmos would be resurrected.
00:39:32,890 --> 00:39:35,639
Neil deGrasse Tyson: And then she asked would I be interested in
00:39:35,739 --> 00:39:36,220
Neil deGrasse Tyson: hosting that?
00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:37,734
Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said no, there's probably a dozen
00:39:37,774 --> 00:39:38,897
Neil deGrasse Tyson: people who want to host that.
00:39:38,937 --> 00:39:39,759
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't need to host it.
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:41,473
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Then I thought wait, I have certain
00:39:41,493 --> 00:39:44,223
Neil deGrasse Tyson: memories of Carl Sagan, though we only
00:39:44,665 --> 00:39:46,331
Neil deGrasse Tyson: spent four occasions together.
00:39:46,974 --> 00:39:49,141
Neil deGrasse Tyson: That first one was hugely influential,
00:39:50,145 --> 00:39:51,570
Neil deGrasse Tyson: which was when he sent me a letter when I
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:54,095
Neil deGrasse Tyson: was in high school to ask me to visit
00:39:54,156 --> 00:39:55,960
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Cornell to see if I want to go to Cornell
00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:56,741
Neil deGrasse Tyson: for college.
00:39:58,012 --> 00:40:00,448
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It was a stupefying thing.
00:40:01,392 --> 00:40:02,617
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It was like what is it?
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:04,054
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Who would do this?
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:05,092
Neil deGrasse Tyson: He did it.
00:40:06,090 --> 00:40:08,819
Neil deGrasse Tyson: To this day, I treat students the way he
00:40:08,859 --> 00:40:11,889
Neil deGrasse Tyson: treated me, giving them time in the middle
00:40:11,949 --> 00:40:13,876
Neil deGrasse Tyson: of your day, no matter how busy your day is,
00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:17,035
Neil deGrasse Tyson: and so can't do that with all students, but
00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:22,058
Neil deGrasse Tyson: when the time I do it, and so he probably
00:40:22,078 --> 00:40:23,844
Neil deGrasse Tyson: did it better and more consistently than
00:40:23,945 --> 00:40:24,607
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I've been able to.
00:40:24,988 --> 00:40:26,815
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Just if you want to rank that.
00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:30,977
Neil deGrasse Tyson: But I said okay, if you want me, I'd be
00:40:31,037 --> 00:40:31,678
Neil deGrasse Tyson: happy to do this.
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:37,400
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So then we all agree we'll resurrect Cosmos.
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:39,734
Neil deGrasse Tyson: We've got the original co-writer, Steve
00:40:39,754 --> 00:40:44,183
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Soder, and along with Andrew Ian, and so
00:40:44,423 --> 00:40:44,824
Neil deGrasse Tyson: there it was.
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:46,195
Neil deGrasse Tyson: But then we started knocking on doors to
00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:46,978
Neil deGrasse Tyson: see who would.
00:40:48,183 --> 00:40:50,050
Neil deGrasse Tyson: We went to PBS, we went to Discovery
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:53,497
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Channel, we went to a bunch of places, and
00:40:53,537 --> 00:40:56,342
Neil deGrasse Tyson: they all wanted to assign their own writers
00:40:56,443 --> 00:40:56,703
Neil deGrasse Tyson: to it.
00:40:57,250 --> 00:40:59,035
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I think they felt that the original Cosmos
00:40:59,095 --> 00:41:00,680
Neil deGrasse Tyson: needed some sprucing up.
00:41:01,410 --> 00:41:02,815
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Get a young writer in there, they'll know
00:41:02,855 --> 00:41:04,571
Neil deGrasse Tyson: what to say and how to do it, and Andrew
00:41:04,592 --> 00:41:05,575
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Ian would have none of that.
00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:08,675
Neil deGrasse Tyson: She knew she had a vision statement of what
00:41:08,695 --> 00:41:11,310
Neil deGrasse Tyson: she wanted and how it would look, and
00:41:11,491 --> 00:41:15,041
Neil deGrasse Tyson: though she was 35 years older than when she
00:41:15,141 --> 00:41:17,448
Neil deGrasse Tyson: first co-authored it, she was not
00:41:17,608 --> 00:41:20,597
Neil deGrasse Tyson: responsive to their requirements to do this.
00:41:21,790 --> 00:41:23,337
Neil deGrasse Tyson: At the time I became friends with Seth
00:41:23,377 --> 00:41:25,466
Neil deGrasse Tyson: McFarlane through something called the
00:41:25,527 --> 00:41:28,456
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Science Entertainment Exchange, an actual
00:41:28,496 --> 00:41:30,160
Neil deGrasse Tyson: branch of the National Academy of Sciences.
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:33,203
Neil deGrasse Tyson: We got to know each other and he came up to
00:41:33,243 --> 00:41:34,489
Neil deGrasse Tyson: me and says you know, I came into some
00:41:34,509 --> 00:41:35,092
Neil deGrasse Tyson: money recently.
00:41:35,132 --> 00:41:36,115
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is there any good I can do?
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:40,877
Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said, oh my gosh, why don't you fund
00:41:41,338 --> 00:41:43,482
Neil deGrasse Tyson: a pilot for Cosmos so we can show people
00:41:43,962 --> 00:41:45,612
Neil deGrasse Tyson: what it's going to look like, and then
00:41:45,713 --> 00:41:46,476
Neil deGrasse Tyson: sponsors would come.
00:41:47,111 --> 00:41:48,294
Neil deGrasse Tyson: He says no, I have a better idea.
00:41:48,314 --> 00:41:49,898
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Why don't I just take it to Fox?
00:41:49,918 --> 00:41:51,221
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Because all his shows are on Fox?
00:41:51,831 --> 00:41:53,236
Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said no, that's a terrible idea.
00:41:54,090 --> 00:41:56,476
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I was thinking in my head you know, cosmos
00:41:56,516 --> 00:41:57,779
Neil deGrasse Tyson: on Fox, that's not going to work.
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:58,782
Neil deGrasse Tyson: This is a mistake.
00:41:59,190 --> 00:42:02,173
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Sorry, I asked, but then I thought about it
00:42:02,233 --> 00:42:04,219
Neil deGrasse Tyson: for 10 seconds.
00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:05,411
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Wait a minute.
00:42:05,491 --> 00:42:10,211
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Fox is huge, way bigger than PBS, and a lot
00:42:10,231 --> 00:42:12,379
Neil deGrasse Tyson: of liberals think of Fox as just Fox News.
00:42:12,459 --> 00:42:15,571
Neil deGrasse Tyson: But Fox is Fox flagship, which has the
00:42:15,771 --> 00:42:18,600
Neil deGrasse Tyson: liberally acerbic Simpsons on it and Family
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,479
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Guy, and they had what's that highly
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:23,722
Neil deGrasse Tyson: progressive show, glee.
00:42:24,451 --> 00:42:26,536
Neil deGrasse Tyson: All right, these are all Fox programings.
00:42:26,597 --> 00:42:28,040
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Another show called In Living Color.
00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:30,957
Neil deGrasse Tyson: And so I said this is a brilliant idea.
00:42:31,050 --> 00:42:33,590
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So we took it to Fox and they bought in and
00:42:33,610 --> 00:42:36,234
Neil deGrasse Tyson: they said we'll do 13 episodes and we trust
00:42:36,274 --> 00:42:37,116
Neil deGrasse Tyson: that you know what you're doing.
00:42:38,290 --> 00:42:39,534
Neil deGrasse Tyson: And so they didn't even want to put a
00:42:39,594 --> 00:42:40,156
Neil deGrasse Tyson: writer on it?
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:42,894
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, and so that's how it landed on Fox,
00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:47,863
Neil deGrasse Tyson: and Fox bought National Geographic, and
00:42:47,903 --> 00:42:49,409
Neil deGrasse Tyson: then it landed on Fox and National
00:42:49,429 --> 00:42:50,614
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Geographic at the same time.
00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:53,097
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Then Disney bought both Fox and National
00:42:53,117 --> 00:42:54,634
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Geographic, and now you want to find Cosmos?
00:42:54,835 --> 00:42:55,577
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's on Disney Plus.
00:42:56,613 --> 00:42:58,420
Marc Preston: As a parent who's I've always been really
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,749
Marc Preston: into the space, learning is something I've
00:43:01,070 --> 00:43:03,491
Marc Preston: always drunk up really easily and I'm
00:43:03,611 --> 00:43:06,599
Marc Preston: jazzed that my kids kind of got that same
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:08,042
Marc Preston: bug a little bit.
00:43:08,330 --> 00:43:09,775
Marc Preston: Like I said, my daughter said, why don't
00:43:09,795 --> 00:43:10,999
Marc Preston: you talk to Neil deGrasse Tyson?
00:43:11,171 --> 00:43:13,954
Marc Preston: And I was like sure, I certainly appreciate
00:43:13,974 --> 00:43:14,958
Marc Preston: you being generous with your time.
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:17,632
Marc Preston: This means a lot to me, certainly, and I
00:43:17,652 --> 00:43:19,559
Marc Preston: got these seven questions I like to ask.
00:43:19,810 --> 00:43:21,757
Marc Preston: The first question is what is your favorite
00:43:21,817 --> 00:43:22,459
Marc Preston: comfort food?
00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:24,941
Marc Preston: That thing that like brings you back to
00:43:24,961 --> 00:43:25,483
Marc Preston: your center.
00:43:25,544 --> 00:43:27,091
Marc Preston: You know, you just can sit down, munch on
00:43:27,151 --> 00:43:28,896
Marc Preston: it, whatever, or maybe a thought it brings
00:43:28,917 --> 00:43:29,378
Marc Preston: you back home.
00:43:30,090 --> 00:43:31,536
Neil deGrasse Tyson: You said munch and implied something
00:43:31,556 --> 00:43:31,877
Neil deGrasse Tyson: crunchy.
00:43:32,330 --> 00:43:34,997
Neil deGrasse Tyson: A strawberry multi-milk solid food, a New
00:43:35,058 --> 00:43:37,011
Neil deGrasse Tyson: York pepperoni pizza, those two?
00:43:37,031 --> 00:43:39,298
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I could go to Mars on those two food groups.
00:43:40,231 --> 00:43:41,696
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I have them every single day and I would
00:43:41,736 --> 00:43:42,217
Neil deGrasse Tyson: not get tired.
00:43:42,297 --> 00:43:43,381
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm not quite tired of them.
00:43:43,590 --> 00:43:44,876
Marc Preston: Now, if you were going to sit down and have
00:43:44,916 --> 00:43:48,130
Marc Preston: a cup of coffee three people either alive
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:51,195
Marc Preston: or in history, just to talk story for a few
00:43:51,295 --> 00:43:53,860
Marc Preston: hours who would those three people be?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I would say Joan of Arc, isaac Newton and
00:44:04,594 --> 00:44:05,896
Neil deGrasse Tyson: maybe Martin Luther King Jr.
00:44:07,606 --> 00:44:11,710
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, these are people who represent sort
00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:12,713
Neil deGrasse Tyson: of extreme.
00:44:12,733 --> 00:44:14,759
Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, two of them gave their lives
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,444
Neil deGrasse Tyson: right for what they believed in, and I just
00:44:18,504 --> 00:44:25,592
Neil deGrasse Tyson: want to know what it feels like to think so
00:44:25,693 --> 00:44:28,356
Neil deGrasse Tyson: strongly about something that your life
00:44:28,396 --> 00:44:31,667
Neil deGrasse Tyson: doesn't even matter because the cause is
00:44:31,728 --> 00:44:34,804
Neil deGrasse Tyson: greater than your own life and that cause
00:44:34,985 --> 00:44:36,509
Neil deGrasse Tyson: is for the progressive.
00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:40,218
Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, the cause is a good cause, not
00:44:40,418 --> 00:44:41,060
Neil deGrasse Tyson: some other cause.
00:44:41,642 --> 00:44:42,905
Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, the Nazis had a cause.
00:44:42,925 --> 00:44:44,229
Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's not the kind of cause I'm talking
00:44:44,249 --> 00:44:46,885
Neil deGrasse Tyson: about here, and so, and Isaac Newton, just
00:44:46,925 --> 00:44:48,390
Neil deGrasse Tyson: for his sheer brilliance, I think he's the
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:51,659
Neil deGrasse Tyson: smartest person I ever walked the face of
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:51,940
Neil deGrasse Tyson: the earth.
00:44:52,782 --> 00:44:54,547
Marc Preston: Now, as a kid growing up, who is your
00:44:54,607 --> 00:44:55,450
Marc Preston: celebrity crush?
00:44:56,823 --> 00:44:56,883
Marc Preston: I?
00:44:56,903 --> 00:44:58,488
Neil deGrasse Tyson: didn't really have celebrity crushes.
00:44:59,602 --> 00:45:00,625
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I wasn't really into that.
00:45:01,047 --> 00:45:02,721
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I like baseball players I wanted to be.
00:45:03,443 --> 00:45:05,908
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Ron Bloomberg was the very first designated
00:45:05,928 --> 00:45:08,212
Neil deGrasse Tyson: hitter in all of baseball for the New York
00:45:08,252 --> 00:45:10,385
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yankees and I loved how often he hit home
00:45:10,425 --> 00:45:11,028
Neil deGrasse Tyson: runs and logs.
00:45:11,341 --> 00:45:12,864
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you know, as a kid growing up in the
00:45:12,884 --> 00:45:14,989
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Bronx home of the Yankees, of course I
00:45:15,029 --> 00:45:16,051
Neil deGrasse Tyson: wanted to play for the Yankees.
00:45:16,071 --> 00:45:18,725
Neil deGrasse Tyson: When I grew up I wanted to hit the way he
00:45:18,805 --> 00:45:19,286
Neil deGrasse Tyson: hit the ball.
00:45:19,808 --> 00:45:20,470
Marc Preston: I enjoyed the baseball.
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,251
Marc Preston: You answered my second question Mets or
00:45:23,271 --> 00:45:23,412
Marc Preston: Yankees?
00:45:23,432 --> 00:45:23,934
Marc Preston: So that's.
00:45:23,995 --> 00:45:26,429
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, you got the Did I sound like the Bronx
00:45:26,449 --> 00:45:26,530
Neil deGrasse Tyson: dude.
00:45:27,060 --> 00:45:29,547
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, so no, I didn't really have a
00:45:29,908 --> 00:45:30,891
Neil deGrasse Tyson: celebrity crush.
00:45:31,060 --> 00:45:32,625
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I had a crush on my seventh grade math
00:45:32,645 --> 00:45:32,946
Neil deGrasse Tyson: teacher.
00:45:33,548 --> 00:45:34,050
Neil deGrasse Tyson: How about that?
00:45:34,321 --> 00:45:34,382
Neil deGrasse Tyson: You?
00:45:34,402 --> 00:45:36,532
Marc Preston: know I had one of my eighth grade English
00:45:36,552 --> 00:45:37,738
Marc Preston: teacher but she was a Dallas Cowboy
00:45:37,779 --> 00:45:39,205
Marc Preston: cheerleader, so you know it was.
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,486
Marc Preston: Let me tell you eighth grade boys and a
00:45:42,546 --> 00:45:43,849
Marc Preston: Dallas Cowboy cheerleader as a teacher.
00:45:45,963 --> 00:45:47,287
Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's a bad mixture right there, yeah.
00:45:49,797 --> 00:45:50,040
Marc Preston: Indeed.
00:45:50,626 --> 00:45:51,858
Marc Preston: Now let's say you're going to be going to
00:45:51,878 --> 00:45:52,060
Marc Preston: an island.
00:45:52,523 --> 00:45:53,590
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Or let's say you're going to go to the
00:45:53,651 --> 00:45:53,771
Neil deGrasse Tyson: resort.
00:45:54,180 --> 00:45:55,405
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Sorry, no, let me back up.
00:45:58,768 --> 00:45:59,430
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I had a crush.
00:46:00,341 --> 00:46:01,466
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I guess we could call it a crush.
00:46:02,862 --> 00:46:05,669
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I was a big fan of the TV series I Dream a
00:46:05,709 --> 00:46:09,665
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Genie and it couldn't have just been a
00:46:09,725 --> 00:46:12,049
Neil deGrasse Tyson: crush on Barbara Eden, because he was an
00:46:12,249 --> 00:46:15,201
Neil deGrasse Tyson: astronaut going into space at NASA and I
00:46:15,241 --> 00:46:16,867
Neil deGrasse Tyson: was already interested in the universe.
00:46:17,261 --> 00:46:20,229
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So this was like double dipping for me,
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:20,650
Neil deGrasse Tyson: right?
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:23,125
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Because she's beautiful and she has huge
00:46:23,205 --> 00:46:26,293
Neil deGrasse Tyson: powers that are just mind-bogglingly,
00:46:26,834 --> 00:46:30,526
Neil deGrasse Tyson: staggeringly amazing, and he's an astronaut.
00:46:33,847 --> 00:46:35,190
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I guess I had a crush.
00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:36,908
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I enjoyed the show.
00:46:36,989 --> 00:46:38,886
Neil deGrasse Tyson: For all of those reasons combined, I was
00:46:38,926 --> 00:46:39,912
Neil deGrasse Tyson: kind of honestly.
00:46:39,993 --> 00:46:41,000
Marc Preston: I was kind of the same way.
00:46:41,641 --> 00:46:44,687
Marc Preston: I was into the space thing and you know.
00:46:45,408 --> 00:46:46,750
Marc Preston: And then when I was a kid, one of the first
00:46:46,871 --> 00:46:48,874
Marc Preston: acting jobs I ever did was Dallas.
00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:50,104
Marc Preston: I was seven years old.
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:52,365
Marc Preston: It was kind of wild seeing him.
00:46:53,969 --> 00:46:54,959
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, with my old guy.
00:46:54,979 --> 00:46:56,966
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yes, Major Nelson was a star of Dallas.
00:46:57,087 --> 00:46:58,522
Marc Preston: yes, yeah, he was.
00:46:58,602 --> 00:47:00,047
Marc Preston: Yeah, the 80s in Dallas.
00:47:00,067 --> 00:47:00,909
Marc Preston: That was a whole different story.
00:47:01,140 --> 00:47:02,365
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Tell me his name on that show again.
00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:05,709
Neil deGrasse Tyson: His name was JR Ewing.
00:47:06,301 --> 00:47:06,682
Marc Preston: JR.
00:47:06,822 --> 00:47:07,926
Marc Preston: Yeah, who shot JR?
00:47:07,966 --> 00:47:08,548
Marc Preston: I remember that.
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:10,703
Marc Preston: Now, if you were to go, from the time you
00:47:10,722 --> 00:47:12,085
Marc Preston: get up to the time you put your head down
00:47:12,105 --> 00:47:14,709
Marc Preston: to go to sleep, if you have a perfect day,
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:17,413
Marc Preston: what are some of the component parts of
00:47:17,453 --> 00:47:18,735
Marc Preston: that perfect day for you?
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,002
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, so I would make a brunch for the whole
00:47:21,022 --> 00:47:26,850
Neil deGrasse Tyson: family and then we might go somewhere fun,
00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:29,974
Neil deGrasse Tyson: just somewhere with nothing to do, like to
00:47:29,994 --> 00:47:31,876
Neil deGrasse Tyson: the beach or hiking.
00:47:32,461 --> 00:47:34,527
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm less a fan of hiking than I am laying
00:47:34,547 --> 00:47:35,369
Neil deGrasse Tyson: on the beach doing nothing.
00:47:38,828 --> 00:47:39,289
Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's that.
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,324
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Curl up altogether, make popcorn with
00:47:42,364 --> 00:47:44,688
Neil deGrasse Tyson: slightly too much butter on it and watch a
00:47:44,728 --> 00:47:46,771
Neil deGrasse Tyson: movie that none of us have seen yet, and
00:47:46,811 --> 00:47:50,353
Neil deGrasse Tyson: then have a nice barbecue dinner and that's
00:47:50,434 --> 00:47:51,060
Neil deGrasse Tyson: a day with family.
00:47:51,621 --> 00:47:56,270
Neil deGrasse Tyson: A day at work I would wake up, knock out
00:47:56,290 --> 00:48:00,206
Neil deGrasse Tyson: about 500 emails I would get 1500 a day or
00:48:00,266 --> 00:48:04,425
Neil deGrasse Tyson: so and then check my calendar, get some
00:48:04,445 --> 00:48:06,569
Neil deGrasse Tyson: things done, allocate three or four hours
00:48:06,649 --> 00:48:07,711
Neil deGrasse Tyson: for quality writing.
00:48:09,441 --> 00:48:12,247
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I enjoy having written, as they say, and so
00:48:12,287 --> 00:48:13,770
Neil deGrasse Tyson: you need good time slots for that.
00:48:15,682 --> 00:48:17,666
Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's an old saying, which I didn't want
00:48:17,687 --> 00:48:19,511
Neil deGrasse Tyson: to agree with, but I think it's deeply true
00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:21,725
Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you want to be creative, you have to
00:48:21,785 --> 00:48:22,848
Neil deGrasse Tyson: become less productive.
00:48:24,421 --> 00:48:27,307
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So don't think of your day as a good day if
00:48:27,327 --> 00:48:28,710
Neil deGrasse Tyson: you've got a lot of stuff done.
00:48:30,341 --> 00:48:31,744
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Think of a day where you don't get anything
00:48:31,784 --> 00:48:34,329
Neil deGrasse Tyson: done, but you did a lot of thinking, a lot
00:48:34,349 --> 00:48:35,352
Neil deGrasse Tyson: of creative thinking.
00:48:36,060 --> 00:48:38,822
Marc Preston: There's no substitute for that it's kind of
00:48:38,843 --> 00:48:40,970
Marc Preston: like the Greeks back in the day.
00:48:41,261 --> 00:48:43,950
Marc Preston: They probably sat around just contemplating.
00:48:44,502 --> 00:48:47,264
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Thinking yes, yes, so on, where you just
00:48:47,384 --> 00:48:50,414
Neil deGrasse Tyson: sort of trade ideas in ways that you don't
00:48:50,535 --> 00:48:52,843
Neil deGrasse Tyson: fight about the ideas because you really
00:48:52,883 --> 00:48:54,348
Neil deGrasse Tyson: want to know how the other person thinks.
00:48:55,602 --> 00:48:57,307
Marc Preston: Man, we need more of that, yes.
00:48:58,742 --> 00:49:01,169
Marc Preston: Now, if you were not doing what you're
00:49:01,189 --> 00:49:04,318
Marc Preston: doing now for a living, what would be
00:49:04,338 --> 00:49:06,466
Marc Preston: choice number two, what would you be doing?
00:49:07,060 --> 00:49:08,586
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Well, it doesn't work that way for me.
00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:11,546
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It'd have to be another universe, because I
00:49:11,586 --> 00:49:13,471
Neil deGrasse Tyson: don't have the talent to do what I would do
00:49:13,551 --> 00:49:13,832
Neil deGrasse Tyson: next.
00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:15,465
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So it'd have to be another universe where
00:49:15,505 --> 00:49:16,327
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'd have that talent.
00:49:17,281 --> 00:49:21,291
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I would write songs for Broadway musicals.
00:49:22,323 --> 00:49:24,020
Marc Preston: So do you check out musicals regularly?
00:49:24,763 --> 00:49:25,265
Marc Preston: Yeah, I love them.
00:49:26,401 --> 00:49:28,605
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I love the perfectly composed sentence,
00:49:29,427 --> 00:49:35,619
Neil deGrasse Tyson: sung in a way that rhymes but doesn't feel
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:38,165
Neil deGrasse Tyson: forced, and it communicates information and
00:49:38,205 --> 00:49:39,689
Neil deGrasse Tyson: advances the plot.
00:49:42,604 --> 00:49:44,408
Neil deGrasse Tyson: That takes brilliance to do that,
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:46,473
Neil deGrasse Tyson: especially when it's perfectly scored
00:49:46,694 --> 00:49:48,880
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Correct, correct, yeah, and I can't score
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:49,040
Neil deGrasse Tyson: music.
00:49:49,622 --> 00:49:51,389
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So this is a whole other world that I'd be
00:49:51,449 --> 00:49:54,060
Neil deGrasse Tyson: in, a music world that I'm not in right now.
00:49:54,481 --> 00:49:57,491
Marc Preston: Well, I've got one last question for the
00:49:57,552 --> 00:49:58,776
Marc Preston: young and has a question for you.
00:49:58,816 --> 00:50:00,060
Marc Preston: But, delorean, jump in.
00:50:00,882 --> 00:50:02,406
Marc Preston: You're going back to when you were 16 years
00:50:02,546 --> 00:50:04,371
Marc Preston: old and you have a couple minutes to share
00:50:04,431 --> 00:50:07,158
Marc Preston: a piece of wisdom, guidance, advice,
00:50:07,218 --> 00:50:10,485
Marc Preston: whatever have you that is going to put you
00:50:10,525 --> 00:50:12,791
Marc Preston: maybe on a better rail or maybe get you
00:50:12,831 --> 00:50:14,742
Marc Preston: where you want to be faster, better, more
00:50:14,782 --> 00:50:15,985
Marc Preston: comfortably, whatever you want to put it.
00:50:16,005 --> 00:50:17,890
Marc Preston: But what's that piece of advice to your
00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:18,872
Marc Preston: 16-year-old self?
00:50:19,581 --> 00:50:22,788
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I object to the question because it assumes
00:50:23,590 --> 00:50:25,253
Neil deGrasse Tyson: yeah, yeah, I know, I'll tell you why.
00:50:26,035 --> 00:50:32,508
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It assumes that there's a lesson that I
00:50:32,548 --> 00:50:36,695
Neil deGrasse Tyson: could be told about instead of experience,
00:50:37,837 --> 00:50:40,021
Neil deGrasse Tyson: and having been told about it would be as
00:50:40,121 --> 00:50:42,727
Neil deGrasse Tyson: impactful on my life as having experienced
00:50:42,787 --> 00:50:42,847
Neil deGrasse Tyson: it.
00:50:44,892 --> 00:50:48,180
Neil deGrasse Tyson: My life is anybody's life is only about the
00:50:48,340 --> 00:50:51,006
Neil deGrasse Tyson: sum of your life experiences, and your life
00:50:51,046 --> 00:50:53,370
Neil deGrasse Tyson: experiences define who you are.
00:50:54,472 --> 00:50:56,502
Neil deGrasse Tyson: The mistakes you made, the triumphs you've
00:50:56,522 --> 00:51:01,551
Neil deGrasse Tyson: had, the turmoil, the struggles all of
00:51:01,611 --> 00:51:04,081
Neil deGrasse Tyson: those go into who and what you are.
00:51:05,085 --> 00:51:06,931
Neil deGrasse Tyson: If someone says, do this, don't do that, do
00:51:06,951 --> 00:51:09,159
Neil deGrasse Tyson: this, don't do that, then what am I at the
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,885
Neil deGrasse Tyson: end of that, Having not experienced it,
00:51:11,945 --> 00:51:13,008
Neil deGrasse Tyson: just being told it.
00:51:14,471 --> 00:51:18,660
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I will not trade my life experiences for
00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:19,101
Neil deGrasse Tyson: anything.
00:51:19,682 --> 00:51:21,607
Neil deGrasse Tyson: So no, I would go back to my 16-year-old
00:51:21,627 --> 00:51:24,553
Neil deGrasse Tyson: and say keep going doing what you're doing.
00:51:25,062 --> 00:51:26,672
Marc Preston: That would be the advice if you want to
00:51:26,712 --> 00:51:27,758
Marc Preston: think of it that way, or maybe don't doubt
00:51:27,778 --> 00:51:29,282
Marc Preston: what you're doing, just keep on going.
00:51:30,044 --> 00:51:32,970
Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, that's not, no doubt.
00:51:33,110 --> 00:51:34,433
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is you need to doubt sometimes.
00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:36,063
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Am I really into this?
00:51:36,463 --> 00:51:37,706
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Do I really want this?
00:51:38,347 --> 00:51:41,974
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Doubt has value because it can strengthen
00:51:42,034 --> 00:51:44,329
Neil deGrasse Tyson: your resolve for having had doubt in the
00:51:44,389 --> 00:51:44,931
Neil deGrasse Tyson: first place.
00:51:45,754 --> 00:51:47,060
Neil deGrasse Tyson: You can't have someone come up to you and
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:47,961
Neil deGrasse Tyson: say don't doubt it.
00:51:48,242 --> 00:51:49,645
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, therefore, I'm not going to doubt it.
00:51:50,526 --> 00:51:55,261
Neil deGrasse Tyson: The question is flawed in the actual real
00:51:55,341 --> 00:51:55,683
Neil deGrasse Tyson: world.
00:51:56,325 --> 00:51:58,291
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Unless you're a person who keeps making the
00:51:58,372 --> 00:52:02,183
Neil deGrasse Tyson: same mistake, then you could use a Someone
00:52:02,223 --> 00:52:04,489
Neil deGrasse Tyson: slap you in the head, say don't make that
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:06,213
Neil deGrasse Tyson: same mistake nine times in a row.
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,826
Neil deGrasse Tyson: But if you learn from your mistakes, that
00:52:10,987 --> 00:52:13,332
Neil deGrasse Tyson: is the character profile of who and what
00:52:13,352 --> 00:52:14,842
Neil deGrasse Tyson: you become as you get older.
00:52:15,644 --> 00:52:15,945
Neil deGrasse Tyson: Period.
00:52:15,965 --> 00:52:16,626
Marc Preston: Very good.
00:52:17,087 --> 00:52:18,691
Marc Preston: Well, when I was speaking with a good
00:52:18,731 --> 00:52:21,604
Marc Preston: friend of mine who is the ultimate Star
00:52:21,644 --> 00:52:23,835
Marc Preston: Trek fan, loves everything space, he had a
00:52:24,076 --> 00:52:25,321
Marc Preston: good friend of mine, trey Elliott, back
00:52:25,341 --> 00:52:26,965
Marc Preston: home in Texas, whose son is going to your
00:52:27,005 --> 00:52:28,148
Marc Preston: alma mater right now, ut.
00:52:28,689 --> 00:52:30,012
Marc Preston: He had one question.
00:52:30,340 --> 00:52:33,348
Marc Preston: Two parties said just quick thought not the
00:52:33,388 --> 00:52:34,931
Marc Preston: men and women serving, but the idea and
00:52:34,972 --> 00:52:37,569
Marc Preston: concept of Space Force and the idea that
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:39,436
Marc Preston: they're using the Star Trek logo.
00:52:39,517 --> 00:52:39,858
Marc Preston: What are your?
00:52:39,878 --> 00:52:41,002
Marc Preston: Do you have any thoughts on that?
00:52:41,705 --> 00:52:44,052
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's a variation on the Star Trek logo.
00:52:44,975 --> 00:52:46,420
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's inspired by the Star Trek logo.
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:48,565
Neil deGrasse Tyson: They're not actually using the Star Trek
00:52:48,585 --> 00:52:48,866
Neil deGrasse Tyson: logo.
00:52:49,287 --> 00:52:50,410
Neil deGrasse Tyson: We've always had a Space Force.
00:52:50,810 --> 00:52:53,024
Neil deGrasse Tyson: It was called the Air Force Space Command
00:52:53,426 --> 00:52:55,312
Neil deGrasse Tyson: and we've had it since the dawn of
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: satellites.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So this is like an accounting shift.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: People say, oh my gosh, we'll militarize
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: space.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The military has been in space ever since.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: We've had satellites.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's what spy satellites are.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's what any of that, that's what GPS is
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: was launched by the Air Force to give
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: coordinates for missiles and anyone else
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: navigating where there aren't navigation
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: lines, street signs like, for example, the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: ocean or the desert.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So don't overreact to the existence of the
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Space.
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Marc Preston: Force.
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Marc Preston: So you said it's just an accounting shift.
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Marc Preston: I got you.
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Marc Preston: I got you, we'll tell you what, if you
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Marc Preston: don't mind.
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Marc Preston: I have one question.
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Marc Preston: My little one here.
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Marc Preston: The little one this is my height has for
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Marc Preston: you.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh cool, Hello.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Hey, how old are you?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: 17.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: 17.
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Marc Preston: Cool, cool.
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,882
Marc Preston: If time travel is theoretically possible,
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Marc Preston: does that mean our pasts and our futures
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Marc Preston: are?
00:53:47,841 --> 00:53:50,266
Neil deGrasse Tyson: currently existing right now.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So if we can imagine traveling both forward
00:53:53,892 --> 00:53:55,862
Neil deGrasse Tyson: and backwards in time, since the time is
00:53:55,882 --> 00:53:59,230
Neil deGrasse Tyson: just like a coordinate, like you walk out
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: on the street and you can go up town or
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: downtown, right, we go east and west.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If time is just a coordinate, then it makes
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: sense to think of your life as always
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: existing.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You're always being born, you're always
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: being 17.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You're always a grandfather, you're always
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: dying, and then you just reoccupy that same
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: timeline, worldline, if you will, and then
00:54:20,308 --> 00:54:22,437
Neil deGrasse Tyson: you live out your life, that it preexists
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in the same way the street preexists.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It doesn't change every time you go out
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: there.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But if, let's say, you cannot go backwards
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in time but we know you can go forwards in
00:54:32,367 --> 00:54:34,552
Neil deGrasse Tyson: time with relativity there had to be some
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: rule that's preventing it.
00:54:36,806 --> 00:54:39,654
Neil deGrasse Tyson: And Hawking imagined what we call it time
00:54:39,694 --> 00:54:42,603
Neil deGrasse Tyson: travel conjecture, where if you go back in
00:54:42,643 --> 00:54:44,209
Neil deGrasse Tyson: time and prevent your parents from meeting,
00:54:44,590 --> 00:54:47,000
Neil deGrasse Tyson: then you're never born, so that you can't
00:54:47,101 --> 00:54:48,548
Neil deGrasse Tyson: go back in time to prevent your parents
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: from meeting.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's a paradox.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So he said there must be some law of
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: physics of the universe that prevents you
00:54:53,814 --> 00:54:55,461
Neil deGrasse Tyson: from going back in time because you can't
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: let that happen.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So if that's the case, then you can think
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: of us as, not on a preexisting timeline,
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: but always, forever transitioning from an
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: inaccessible past to an unknowable future.
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Marc Preston: Dr Tyson.
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Marc Preston: Again, thank you for being generous with
00:55:11,987 --> 00:55:12,368
Marc Preston: your time.
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Marc Preston: Best of luck again.
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Marc Preston: The book Welcome to the Universe in 3D a
00:55:15,068 --> 00:55:16,836
Marc Preston: visual tour, part of four books and it's
00:55:16,877 --> 00:55:19,403
Marc Preston: Welcome to the Universenet, correct?
00:55:19,463 --> 00:55:20,465
Marc Preston: You can find them all there.
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Marc Preston: Exactly what a cool guy.
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Marc Preston: Really enjoyed the chat with Neil deGrasse
00:55:27,205 --> 00:55:30,134
Marc Preston: Tyson and very cool, my son had a chance to
00:55:30,675 --> 00:55:32,280
Marc Preston: you know, come in, ask a question.
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Marc Preston: My kids grew up watching Cosmos so this was
00:55:35,568 --> 00:55:37,813
Marc Preston: kind of a neat thing for him and of course,
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:40,187
Marc Preston: for me and of course for you as well.
00:55:40,408 --> 00:55:43,538
Marc Preston: So if you're kind of a space nerd like me,
00:55:43,598 --> 00:55:44,801
Marc Preston: this had to be a lot of fun.
00:55:45,222 --> 00:55:46,986
Marc Preston: Don't forget the book he has out.
00:55:47,247 --> 00:55:48,249
Marc Preston: It is really neat.
00:55:48,329 --> 00:55:51,442
Marc Preston: It is called Welcome to the Universe in 3D
00:55:52,003 --> 00:55:53,006
Marc Preston: a visual tour.
00:55:53,366 --> 00:55:54,730
Marc Preston: It's an interactive book, a little
00:55:54,770 --> 00:55:55,933
Marc Preston: something different than you're used to.
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,127
Marc Preston: I think it's something kind of neat to get
00:55:58,167 --> 00:56:01,719
Marc Preston: a kid who is into space stuff space stuff
00:56:01,739 --> 00:56:04,228
Marc Preston: that's the technical term, you see, and, as
00:56:04,268 --> 00:56:06,095
Marc Preston: he mentioned, you want to catch Cosmos.
00:56:06,356 --> 00:56:08,663
Marc Preston: Disney Plus is where you can find Cosmos
00:56:08,864 --> 00:56:09,305
Marc Preston: right now.
00:56:10,228 --> 00:56:12,474
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Astrophysicist, American Museum of Natural History
Neil deGrasse Tyson is director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History and the author of many books, including Astrophysics for People in a Hurry. Michael A. Strauss is professor of astrophysical sciences at Princeton University. J. Richard Gott is professor emeritus of astrophysical sciences at Princeton. Robert J. Vanderbei is a professor at Princeton whose books include Sizing Up the Universe: The Cosmos in Perspective (with J. Richard Gott).