Shohreh Aghdashloo | Be Brave...But Be Careful

Acting, especially by women in Iran, was

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Shohreh: frowned upon.

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Shohreh: So that's why every time a gentleman asked

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Shohreh: for my hand, I would have asked him right

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Shohreh: there, and then how would you like me to

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Shohreh: start acting?

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Shohreh: This one said yes, and I married him.

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Announcer: Welcome to Story Craft.

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Announcer: Now here's your host, Marc Preston.

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Marc: All right, here we go.

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Marc: Another episode of Story Craft.

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Marc: Thank you so much for stopping back by.

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Marc: I sincerely appreciate it.

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Marc: Now, if this is your first episode, my name

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Marc: is Marc Preston and I'm glad to have you

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Marc: along, especially for today's episode.

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Marc: I have been trying to get this guest on for

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Marc: some time now.

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Marc: I've wanted to sit down with Shoray

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Marc: Agadashloo for some time and really am

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Marc: jazzed to bring you this episode because

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Marc: she's got a great story to tell.

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Marc: In fact, we spent a lot of time chatting

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Marc: about her background, being from Iran, and

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Marc: what it was like for her to start there and

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Marc: the path she took to come be an Academy

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Marc: Award-nominated actor, an Emmy

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Marc: Award-winning actor, who has been in all

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Marc: kinds of great projects.

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Marc: You know her from playing Avasarala in the

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Marc: sci-fi show one of my favorite sci-fi shows

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Marc: actually the Expanse.

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Marc: Also been in 24, the Flight Attendant,

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Marc: on-screen movies such as Star Trek Beyond.

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Marc: She was in the X-Men and, of course, the

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Marc: House of Sand and Fog.

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Marc: That's the movie she got the Academy Award

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Marc: She also does a lot of voiceover work as

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Marc: well.

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Marc: In fact, right now you can hear her as the

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Marc: voice of the dragon in the Netflix movie

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Marc: Damsel Sho Ray is such a pleasure and I'm

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Marc: Today is Shoray Agadashlu Day, right here

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Marc: on Story Craft.

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Marc: Before we start, I want to say it's Sh

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Marc: Chore, correct?

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Marc: Am I saying it correctly?

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Marc: That's right.

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Shohreh: It's Chore.

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Shohreh: Yeah, you don't have to.

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Shohreh: Yes, kind of drag the E Chore, it's just

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Shohreh: Chore.

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Shohreh: But I have to tell you a story about this

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Shohreh: one.

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Shohreh: I think I have put too many H's in my name

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Shohreh: S-H-O-H-R-E-H.

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Shohreh: And when I was working with Sir Ben

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Shohreh: Kingsley since he's such a gentleman every

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Shohreh: morning he made sure that he would say

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Shohreh: He would come to me and say good morning,

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Shohreh: sir.

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Shohreh: I'm like Jesus, how am I going?

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Shohreh: One day, I told him, sir Ben, I think I put

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Shohreh: You don't have to pronounce each and every

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Shohreh: one of them.

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Shohreh: So yeah, it's.

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Marc: Sori, you know, I've heard him in

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Marc: interviews before.

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Marc: He seems to be kind of a very, has a very

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Marc: kind of a dry, sneaky sense of humor.

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Marc: I don't know, I mean that's the sense I get

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Marc: from him.

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Shohreh: Yes, you're right.

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Marc: But he does seem to have a good sense of

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Marc: humor, amazing sense of humor.

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Shohreh: It's unbelievable.

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Shohreh: And the thing is that he could go on.

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Shohreh: You know making jokes and you know having

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Shohreh: fun and laughing while walking towards the

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Shohreh: set, but the moment he puts his foot on the

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Shohreh: set, the whole world turned into the world

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Shohreh: of the character that he's living in.

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Shohreh: It's just incredible how he does that.

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Shohreh: First day when he started joking tell me

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Shohreh: you know jokes and we were both laughing

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Shohreh: and I was thinking how am I going to work

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Shohreh: with him?

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Shohreh: He's so happy and this is a tragedy.

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Shohreh: And when we got to the set he just entered,

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Shohreh: all of a sudden his chest started going up,

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Shohreh: his head going up, and he said good morning

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Shohreh: everyone.

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Shohreh: And he was Colonel Behrani.

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Shohreh: He was Colonel Behrani.

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Shohreh: It was just incredible.

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Shohreh: Yeah, he's an amazing actor.

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Marc: Yeah, there was a physicality to uh like

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Marc: even at the beginning of um the land.

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Marc: Uh uh, house of sand sand, and fog am I

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Marc: saying it's house of sand and folk?

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Marc: When he was giving a speech?

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Marc: He has a.

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Marc: He has a very proud demeanor about him.

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Marc: You know most certainly very much so.

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Shohreh: and what I love about him and actors like

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Shohreh: him or daniel-Lewis or Sarah Hopkins, it's

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Shohreh: not just the soul of the character that

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Shohreh: they work on.

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Shohreh: They work on the character's physicality as

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Shohreh: well.

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Shohreh: But to me, the most smart questions for the

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Shohreh: first meetings are tell me how my character

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Shohreh: looks like.

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Shohreh: Is she short, Is she tall, Is she

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Shohreh: overweight, Is she thin?

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Shohreh: And Ben Kingsley, Daniel Lewis, they first

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Shohreh: think.

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Shohreh: I have a feeling that they first think

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Shohreh: about the physicality of their character,

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Shohreh: Like when Ben Kingsley is portraying a

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Shohreh: general Iranian general, proud Iranian

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Shohreh: general.

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Shohreh: Obviously he turns into a proud general

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Shohreh: with his head held high.

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Shohreh: So Daniel Day-Lewis, I love the way he

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Shohreh: walks.

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Shohreh: In the film it's called what there Will Be

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Shohreh: Blood.

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Shohreh: I think Axis should study his walking only

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Shohreh: I mean his physicality, when he got his

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Shohreh: character from.

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Marc: You know, that's one of the only films I

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Marc: I'm trying to think there Will Be Blood,

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Marc: that is.

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Marc: Is that Paul Thomas Sanders, the director,

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Marc: directed that?

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Marc: Yes, of course.

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Marc: Yes, that's the only one of his films I

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Marc: But there will be blood.

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Marc: That is still on my list of things to see.

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Shohreh: Brilliant, brilliant question.

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Shohreh: If you really have a question about mixing

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Shohreh: governments with religions, if you ever

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Shohreh: have a question about bringing religion

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Shohreh: into our conversations and interactions,

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Shohreh: what happens when we do that?

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Shohreh: It's just incredible and I think Daniel

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Shohreh: Day-Lewis has done an amazing job.

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Shohreh: He's turned into this man and it affected

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Shohreh: me so well.

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Shohreh: I called my daughter and I said you have to

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Shohreh: see this film because this is a

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Shohreh: conversation between religion and power.

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Marc: Well, you, of course, probably more than

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Marc: most people in your own life experience

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Marc: most people in your own life experience I

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Marc: don't mean to get too far ahead, but being

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Marc: from Iran and probably have a more acute

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Marc: sense of kind of the blending of faith and

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Marc: politics, it seems like there is a in your

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Marc: history and kind of in 1979 was just such a

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Marc: pivotal swing.

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Marc: When people think Iran now I feel like it's

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Marc: such a majestic, interesting dynamic, just

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Marc: cool culture, but unfortunately seems to be

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Marc: getting kind of quashed by talk of the

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Marc: politics.

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Marc: I just kind of wanted your feedback on that

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Marc: because I haven't spoken with anybody who

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Marc: kind of saw things pre and post 1979.

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Marc: Just kind of generally your thoughts and

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Marc: kind of how that affected you and

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Marc: influenced you and I know that's such a

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Marc: broad question but no, you're right, I know

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Marc: exactly where you're coming from.

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Shohreh: You are absolutely right.

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Shohreh: The reason I am more interested in

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Shohreh: political either religious political or

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Shohreh: just pure political films is because of the

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Shohreh: fact that I have seen it firsthand how a

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Shohreh: secular society overnight turns into a

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Shohreh: religious tyranny.

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Shohreh: I have seen how it works and I have seen

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Shohreh: how it ends, usually because of the people.

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Shohreh: The more kind of religious people you have

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Shohreh: in your country, the more susceptible you

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Shohreh: are to a religious tyranny, unfortunately.

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Shohreh: So I've seen it firsthand.

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Marc: Growing up in Iran.

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Marc: What was the experience like?

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Marc: And have you been back since then, in

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Marc: recent years years, have you been able to

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Marc: kind of do the ab comparison and kind of

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Marc: the, the aesthetic, what it felt like to be

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Marc: there?

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Shohreh: I'm afraid not.

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Shohreh: I have not been able to travel back to my

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Shohreh: birth country for almost 45 years now.

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Shohreh: I left right at the time of the turmoil, as

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Shohreh: soon as I heard that there were rumors but

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Shohreh: usually one should take rumors seriously if

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Shohreh: one wants to stay away from troubles and as

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Shohreh: soon as I heard that Ayatollahs are coming.

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Shohreh: What is this?

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Shohreh: Ayatollah Khomeini is coming from France

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Shohreh: via Air France.

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Shohreh: He has refused to come in with an Iranian

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Shohreh: plane.

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Shohreh: He wants to come in with a French plane.

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Shohreh: And I'm thinking, oh my God, why do I feel

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Shohreh: a conspiracy here, and why shouldn't he not

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Shohreh: come in, you know, in an Iranian plane?

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Shohreh: He's coming in with the help of his allies

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Shohreh: and this looks bad and I don't want to stay

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Shohreh: here.

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Shohreh: I don't want to live here for now.

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Marc: So on February 28th, but you were very

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Marc: young too to be able to make such big

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Marc: decisions at that age.

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Shohreh: My mother used to be a teacher, but when

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Shohreh: My mother was 20.

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Marc: That's it.

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Shohreh: That's it.

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Shohreh: You could have not said it more beautifully.

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Shohreh: That's it.

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Shohreh: He was a partner.

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Shohreh: play by one of my favorite, favorite

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Shohreh: It was called the Narrow Road to the Deep

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Shohreh: I went for an audition, I was accepted and

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Shohreh: One of the few things I should say, because

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Shohreh: When I was 16 years of age, our family, we

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Shohreh: He had six daughters, three sons, and when

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Shohreh: It was the most beautiful, beautiful trips

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Marc: So were Western films very popular.

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Shohreh: Very much so we dubbed the movies.

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Shohreh: We were so lazy.

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Shohreh: We dubbed the movies, but they were

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Shohreh: The Western films were dominating.

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Shohreh: It's interesting, yeah, and another reason

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Shohreh: God rest her soul.

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Shohreh: All my life, childhood life, all I remember

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Shohreh: Emily, charlotte and my brothers and I are

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Shohreh: These are Bronte's sisters.

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Shohreh: Sorry, bronte's sisters.

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Shohreh: They are the best writers, one of the best

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Shohreh: Jane Austen sorry, pride and Prejudice.

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Shohreh: She was all the time talking about the

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Shohreh: If you want to.

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Marc: Now when you came over, did any of your

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Shohreh: No, I'm afraid I was alone.

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Shohreh: I was alone, but my aunt lived in london.

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Shohreh: She was my only hope and she was in london

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Shohreh: but she happened to be in london and I was

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Shohreh: Soon as I arrived, I sold my car.

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Marc: She, she, you, you know, my whole life.

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Marc: She had a Lincoln Town car, but she always

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Marc: You know that was her ideal car, you know,

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Marc: Like this, this is the only option.

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Marc: So did that just make it easier for you?

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Shohreh: It was the only option.

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Shohreh: It was the only option for me to get out

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Shohreh: I had a diploma.

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Shohreh: I didn't have a major, so I had to study

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Shohreh: and I studied From the beginning.

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Shohreh: I knew that I was going to sell my car, I

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Shohreh: I'm going to start studying politics

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Shohreh: because I wanted to know what was happening

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Shohreh: Why, why the turmoil at such time, three

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Shohreh: We're selling it for its right price, like

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Shohreh: So I just wanted to know what's happening.

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Marc: Did you feel like for lack of a better way

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Shohreh: The clock has turned back 1300 years.

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Shohreh: I swear I wanted to.

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Shohreh: I'm always wishing to meet Margaret Atwood

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Shohreh: and ask this amazing writer where she got

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Shohreh: her tip from, because she started writing

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Shohreh: The revolution in Iran took in 1978.

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Shohreh: What happened?

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Shohreh: I'm dying to talk to her and find out where

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Shohreh: Where she got the idea from and why is this

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Shohreh: It means that, in my knowledge, it what it

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Shohreh: decision, there is nothing you can do as an

480

00:19:56,444 --> 00:19:56,925

Shohreh: individual.

481

00:19:57,306 --> 00:19:58,349

Shohreh: You just have to go with it.

482

00:19:59,070 --> 00:20:01,737

Shohreh: Either you save yourself, leave, or you

483

00:20:01,757 --> 00:20:05,227

Shohreh: stay, and you go through a lot now, what

484

00:20:05,287 --> 00:20:07,812

Shohreh: was your going back when you decided you

485

00:20:07,832 --> 00:20:08,714

Shohreh: were wanting to act?

486

00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,868

Marc: Was that well received by your family?

487

00:20:11,362 --> 00:20:12,547

Marc: Were they very encouraging?

488

00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:13,784

Marc: Were they a little bit?

489

00:20:14,206 --> 00:20:15,209

Marc: I don't know about that.

490

00:20:15,722 --> 00:20:16,786

Marc: How did they receive that idea?

491

00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:21,309

Shohreh: The problem is that I wish they had

492

00:20:21,349 --> 00:20:22,111

Shohreh: received it well.

493

00:20:23,422 --> 00:20:27,911

Shohreh: My mother was fine, but my father was not

494

00:20:27,971 --> 00:20:28,933

Shohreh: happy with the idea.

495

00:20:30,180 --> 00:20:32,841

Shohreh: I remember when I told my mother when we

496

00:20:32,861 --> 00:20:35,269

Shohreh: were watching Gone with the Wind in the

497

00:20:35,289 --> 00:20:37,624

Shohreh: Intel Wall, all the other kids were asking

498

00:20:37,665 --> 00:20:39,510

Shohreh: for sodas, popcorns, this and that.

499

00:20:39,980 --> 00:20:41,206

Shohreh: And my mother said what do you want?

500

00:20:41,620 --> 00:20:43,528

Shohreh: And I said I want to become an actress.

501

00:20:44,661 --> 00:20:46,308

Shohreh: And she said not under our roof.

502

00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,609

Shohreh: You know, acting is frowned upon in Iran.

503

00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:52,267

Shohreh: Acting, especially by women in Iran, was

504

00:20:52,307 --> 00:20:52,868

Shohreh: frowned upon.

505

00:20:53,149 --> 00:20:53,631

Shohreh: We couldn't.

506

00:20:54,380 --> 00:20:56,328

Shohreh: And she said no, sorry, we cannot do this.

507

00:20:56,820 --> 00:20:59,669

Shohreh: So that's why every time a gentleman asked

508

00:20:59,709 --> 00:21:01,806

Shohreh: for my hand, I would have asked him right

509

00:21:01,846 --> 00:21:02,027

Shohreh: there.

510

00:21:02,047 --> 00:21:05,188

Shohreh: And then, how would you like me to start

511

00:21:05,369 --> 00:21:05,650

Shohreh: acting?

512

00:21:06,441 --> 00:21:08,589

Shohreh: And this one said yes, and I married him.

513

00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,268

Marc: When did you get to the US and start

514

00:21:11,308 --> 00:21:12,110

Marc: working over here?

515

00:21:12,380 --> 00:21:13,883

Shohreh: Allow me to tell you something about the

516

00:21:13,984 --> 00:21:14,365

Shohreh: actors.

517

00:21:15,086 --> 00:21:18,213

Shohreh: According to Antonin Artaud, in Iran, we

518

00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,502

Shohreh: called him the father of theater.

519

00:21:20,143 --> 00:21:22,929

Shohreh: According to him, an actor is someone who

520

00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:25,253

Shohreh: is standing in the middle of fire pointing

521

00:21:25,353 --> 00:21:25,974

Shohreh: out the truth.

522

00:21:27,561 --> 00:21:30,749

Shohreh: Obviously, the actor is going to be burned,

523

00:21:31,070 --> 00:21:35,810

Shohreh: obviously, but actors do not mind going

524

00:21:35,870 --> 00:21:36,652

Shohreh: through the process.

525

00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,280

Shohreh: Actors do not mind to be burned.

526

00:21:38,861 --> 00:21:41,807

Shohreh: I never forget what Frank Sinatra said

527

00:21:41,847 --> 00:21:44,291

Shohreh: about Judy Garland.

528

00:21:45,073 --> 00:21:45,754

Shohreh: It's beautiful.

529

00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:51,971

Shohreh: Frank Sinatra says Judy Garland dies a

530

00:21:52,031 --> 00:21:54,701

Shohreh: little every time she sings, and he's

531

00:21:54,842 --> 00:21:55,626

Shohreh: absolutely right.

532

00:21:55,981 --> 00:21:58,617

Shohreh: We die a little every time we act, but we

533

00:21:58,637 --> 00:22:01,427

Shohreh: don't mind because we're like butterflies

534

00:22:01,869 --> 00:22:02,731

Shohreh: around the candle.

535

00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,067

Shohreh: We don't mind to be burned for the right

536

00:22:05,107 --> 00:22:05,408

Shohreh: cause.

537

00:22:07,462 --> 00:22:08,765

Shohreh: How I started acting here.

538

00:22:09,307 --> 00:22:10,570

Shohreh: This is really interesting.

539

00:22:11,460 --> 00:22:14,029

Shohreh: When they say chance, they really mean it.

540

00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:24,306

Shohreh: I was traveling when DreamWorks, the

541

00:22:24,848 --> 00:22:27,173

Shohreh: production company of the movie House of

542

00:22:27,194 --> 00:22:30,040

Shohreh: Sand and Fog, was looking for an actress to

543

00:22:30,081 --> 00:22:34,008

Shohreh: play the role of the general's wife.

544

00:22:34,670 --> 00:22:36,614

Shohreh: I was traveling, I was on a theatrical tour.

545

00:22:38,022 --> 00:22:40,627

Shohreh: I had recently back and I was sitting in my

546

00:22:40,787 --> 00:22:45,295

Shohreh: office and the phone rang and the lady on

547

00:22:45,315 --> 00:22:48,000

Shohreh: the phone was asking for Suriya Abidasluiya,

548

00:22:48,761 --> 00:22:50,866

Shohreh: and I said that sounds like my name, but

549

00:22:50,906 --> 00:22:51,948

Shohreh: it's not my name.

550

00:22:52,489 --> 00:22:54,694

Shohreh: She goes whatever your name is, would you

551

00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,343

Shohreh: like to come down and sort it out.

552

00:22:57,185 --> 00:22:57,986

Shohreh: And I said where to?

553

00:22:58,627 --> 00:23:02,721

Shohreh: She said DreamWorks, and I started shaking

554

00:23:02,741 --> 00:23:03,524

Shohreh: a little bit and I said, regarding.

555

00:23:03,544 --> 00:23:04,307

Shohreh: She said the house of sand and fog.

556

00:23:04,347 --> 00:23:05,210

Shohreh: And I started shaking a little bit and I

557

00:23:05,230 --> 00:23:05,692

Shohreh: said, regarding.

558

00:23:05,712 --> 00:23:08,721

Shohreh: She said the house of sand and fog and I

559

00:23:08,762 --> 00:23:11,028

Shohreh: went speechless because I had already read

560

00:23:11,068 --> 00:23:11,389

Shohreh: the book.

561

00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:14,628

Shohreh: Oh, okay, and I told, yeah, I'd already

562

00:23:14,668 --> 00:23:16,501

Shohreh: read the book and while reading it,

563

00:23:18,143 --> 00:23:21,648

Shohreh: apparently on one occasion I was making

564

00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:27,154

Shohreh: miserable sounds and my husband asked me

565

00:23:27,615 --> 00:23:28,516

Shohreh: what's the matter with you?

566

00:23:33,362 --> 00:23:34,512

Shohreh: And I said if one day they make a movie out

567

00:23:34,532 --> 00:23:35,480

Shohreh: of this book and do not give me this role,

568

00:23:36,180 --> 00:23:38,289

Shohreh: then there is no democracy in this country.

569

00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:39,444

Shohreh: That would be very unfair.

570

00:23:39,705 --> 00:23:40,508

Marc: How cool is that?

571

00:23:41,422 --> 00:23:43,529

Marc: To read a book or to see a screenplay,

572

00:23:43,569 --> 00:23:45,321

Marc: anything and go that's the thing I want to

573

00:23:45,341 --> 00:23:46,022

Marc: do and get a call.

574

00:23:46,403 --> 00:23:48,368

Marc: So you're trying probably try not to act

575

00:23:48,489 --> 00:23:50,842

Marc: too excited, you know, but did you?

576

00:23:50,942 --> 00:23:52,085

Marc: Uh, how fast did you get down to the

577

00:23:52,105 --> 00:23:53,308

Marc: casting office or the?

578

00:23:53,448 --> 00:23:54,671

Marc: Uh, dreamworks the day?

579

00:23:54,791 --> 00:23:57,264

Shohreh: after the day after, the day after.

580

00:23:57,745 --> 00:24:00,130

Shohreh: But my mistake was because I thought that

581

00:24:00,892 --> 00:24:04,285

Shohreh: my character is always coughed up up in the

582

00:24:04,305 --> 00:24:10,740

Shohreh: story and that's how Iranian women are when

583

00:24:10,761 --> 00:24:12,107

Shohreh: they wake up, rather than having breakfast

584

00:24:12,127 --> 00:24:13,876

Shohreh: first, they would just take care of their

585

00:24:13,896 --> 00:24:16,821

Shohreh: hair and face and put a nice dress on and

586

00:24:16,841 --> 00:24:18,566

Shohreh: then they come for breakfast.

587

00:24:19,188 --> 00:24:22,607

Shohreh: That's how she was and that's why I went

588

00:24:22,687 --> 00:24:23,289

Shohreh: out of my way.

589

00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:25,607

Shohreh: As soon as I received a call, I went to

590

00:24:25,667 --> 00:24:27,866

Shohreh: Nordstrom, bought myself some expensive

591

00:24:27,906 --> 00:24:30,656

Shohreh: pieces, put a lot of makeup on, went to the

592

00:24:30,697 --> 00:24:34,188

Shohreh: audition and the director, a wedding pair

593

00:24:34,248 --> 00:24:34,528

Shohreh: man.

594

00:24:35,411 --> 00:24:37,986

Shohreh: He looked at me and he said oh no, no, no,

595

00:24:38,067 --> 00:24:38,408

Shohreh: no, no.

596

00:24:40,043 --> 00:24:41,809

Shohreh: Go home, come back tomorrow without makeup.

597

00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:44,447

Shohreh: And I said but this woman is always coughed

598

00:24:44,487 --> 00:24:45,089

Shohreh: up to her teeth.

599

00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,507

Shohreh: He goes, I understand, but I want to do

600

00:24:47,548 --> 00:24:49,506

Shohreh: this, I want to portray this woman without

601

00:24:49,566 --> 00:24:49,868

Shohreh: makeup.

602

00:24:50,861 --> 00:24:57,127

Shohreh: So I came home, I found a pair of black

603

00:24:57,168 --> 00:25:00,364

Shohreh: jeans very old ones black T-shirt, which

604

00:25:00,404 --> 00:25:05,387

Shohreh: was almost yellow, and put my hair in a bun

605

00:25:05,407 --> 00:25:09,458

Shohreh: and I said because I didn't want to use my

606

00:25:09,498 --> 00:25:12,016

Shohreh: hair as a dramatic tool, and went for the

607

00:25:12,056 --> 00:25:12,879

Shohreh: audition.

608

00:25:13,271 --> 00:25:15,498

Marc: But you fundamentally understood who this

609

00:25:15,558 --> 00:25:16,581

Marc: character was.

610

00:25:19,296 --> 00:25:21,061

Marc: You already did the homework, as they say.

611

00:25:21,170 --> 00:25:22,455

Marc: You already knew who she was.

612

00:25:22,896 --> 00:25:23,499

Shohreh: Inside out.

613

00:25:25,612 --> 00:25:27,874

Shohreh: When I was reading the book I always

614

00:25:28,095 --> 00:25:30,556

Shohreh: thought that, my God, I know a woman like

615

00:25:30,616 --> 00:25:31,299

Shohreh: this in Iran.

616

00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:34,373

Shohreh: Oh, my God, I came across another woman

617

00:25:34,774 --> 00:25:37,099

Shohreh: like this in Iran, so I was pretty familiar

618

00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:37,339

Shohreh: with it.

619

00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:43,255

Shohreh: So the day after I put a jeans pair of

620

00:25:43,615 --> 00:25:48,563

Shohreh: black, torn kind of old jeans a black shirt

621

00:25:48,603 --> 00:25:51,053

Shohreh: that was almost yellow and it was so old

622

00:25:54,491 --> 00:25:55,858

Shohreh: Put my hair I had a long hair put my hair

623

00:25:55,878 --> 00:25:57,185

Shohreh: in a bun because I didn't want to use my

624

00:25:57,205 --> 00:25:57,990

Shohreh: hair as a dramatic tool.

625

00:25:58,770 --> 00:26:00,477

Shohreh: When I was leaving, the director told me

626

00:26:01,030 --> 00:26:03,298

Shohreh: come back tomorrow and see if you can make

627

00:26:03,358 --> 00:26:03,880

Shohreh: me cry.

628

00:26:04,790 --> 00:26:06,959

Shohreh: And I was determined to make him cry.

629

00:26:07,891 --> 00:26:09,035

Shohreh: No, makeup, nothing.

630

00:26:09,196 --> 00:26:11,681

Shohreh: I went to the audition Four scenes I was

631

00:26:11,702 --> 00:26:12,691

Shohreh: supposed to audition for.

632

00:26:13,292 --> 00:26:15,757

Shohreh: He asked me if I would like to take a pause

633

00:26:16,198 --> 00:26:18,963

Shohreh: in between the scenes and I said no, thank

634

00:26:19,003 --> 00:26:19,104

Shohreh: you.

635

00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:20,612

Shohreh: And he said why not?

636

00:26:21,434 --> 00:26:24,640

Shohreh: And I said I want to get to the crescendo

637

00:26:25,261 --> 00:26:26,103

Shohreh: and make you cry.

638

00:26:26,824 --> 00:26:27,670

Shohreh: And he said let's try.

639

00:26:28,271 --> 00:26:30,493

Shohreh: And he cried and gave me the robe.

640

00:26:32,155 --> 00:26:35,077

Marc: That has to be quite an empowering feeling.

641

00:26:35,738 --> 00:26:37,199

Marc: You mentioned how she wore makeup.

642

00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,704

Marc: Was there always a sense of, like my

643

00:26:41,744 --> 00:26:42,685

Marc: grandmother, rest her soul.

644

00:26:42,705 --> 00:26:43,425

Marc: She would never leave.

645

00:26:43,545 --> 00:26:44,606

Marc: She wouldn't go to the grocery store.

646

00:26:44,626 --> 00:26:45,367

Marc: We're from Dallas.

647

00:26:46,331 --> 00:26:49,159

Marc: You wouldn't leave the house without

648

00:26:49,179 --> 00:26:49,901

Marc: putting your face on.

649

00:26:50,831 --> 00:26:52,251

Marc: Was that kind of the same thing to be

650

00:26:52,372 --> 00:26:53,896

Marc: dressed to have the makeup on, to you know

651

00:26:53,916 --> 00:26:54,076

Marc: to?

652

00:26:54,257 --> 00:26:57,352

Marc: Was that kind of the way that ladies more

653

00:26:57,372 --> 00:26:58,976

Marc: or less operated in iraq?

654

00:26:59,057 --> 00:27:00,320

Marc: It's not just leaving the house.

655

00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,434

Shohreh: even in the house they're supposed to get

656

00:27:03,474 --> 00:27:03,755

Shohreh: ready.

657

00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:07,442

Shohreh: I, my aunt, for example my mother wasn't

658

00:27:07,482 --> 00:27:08,531

Shohreh: that much, she wasn't there.

659

00:27:08,571 --> 00:27:12,279

Shohreh: She was always reading or up to some new

660

00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,223

Shohreh: kind of convention or whatever.

661

00:27:14,650 --> 00:27:18,237

Shohreh: But my aunt would wake up at 5 am, one hour

662

00:27:18,297 --> 00:27:21,523

Shohreh: before her husband, who was a general that

663

00:27:21,563 --> 00:27:24,837

Shohreh: was going to wake up Because she was

664

00:27:24,977 --> 00:27:25,559

Shohreh: beautiful.

665

00:27:26,152 --> 00:27:27,090

Shohreh: She was beautiful.

666

00:27:27,291 --> 00:27:30,582

Shohreh: My family side and my mother's side are

667

00:27:30,683 --> 00:27:32,569

Shohreh: blonde, white and blonde because they're

668

00:27:32,609 --> 00:27:36,157

Shohreh: coming from the north of Iran, and she was

669

00:27:36,778 --> 00:27:37,359

Shohreh: like a doll.

670

00:27:37,439 --> 00:27:40,491

Shohreh: But still she had to wake up at 5 am, comb

671

00:27:40,511 --> 00:27:43,437

Shohreh: her hair, style it, put a nice lipstick on,

672

00:27:43,757 --> 00:27:48,995

Shohreh: a little bit of rose on her cheeks, cheeks,

673

00:27:49,562 --> 00:27:49,927

Shohreh: wear a nice dress.

674

00:27:49,947 --> 00:27:51,776

Shohreh: And then they had, of course they had

675

00:27:53,975 --> 00:27:54,697

Shohreh: domestic help.

676

00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:58,559

Shohreh: She would just start putting everything on

677

00:27:59,333 --> 00:28:01,273

Shohreh: the table and my aunt would make herself

678

00:28:01,333 --> 00:28:03,398

Shohreh: like a doll and would sit on the breakfast

679

00:28:03,842 --> 00:28:05,519

Shohreh: table waiting for her husband.

680

00:28:05,843 --> 00:28:07,782

Shohreh: So when the husband sees her he would see

681

00:28:07,822 --> 00:28:12,627

Shohreh: this beautiful lady in a nice dress sitting

682

00:28:12,687 --> 00:28:14,316

Shohreh: at the table having breakfast with him.

683

00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:15,713

Marc: You know, to kind of go back to what we

684

00:28:15,733 --> 00:28:17,177

Marc: were talking about before, you know, in

685

00:28:17,217 --> 00:28:20,913

Marc: 1978, 79, now, the position women have or

686

00:28:20,973 --> 00:28:24,541

Marc: don't have in Iran, you know it must warm

687

00:28:24,561 --> 00:28:26,913

Marc: your heart to see the young people

688

00:28:26,973 --> 00:28:28,538

Marc: protesting, to kind of see, you know,

689

00:28:28,558 --> 00:28:30,612

Marc: hopefully fingers crossed, moving the

690

00:28:30,672 --> 00:28:31,516

Marc: needle, you know.

691

00:28:32,593 --> 00:28:35,121

Marc: And how do you feel things are moving?

692

00:28:35,612 --> 00:28:37,227

Marc: Do you feel there's movement in a good

693

00:28:37,267 --> 00:28:39,383

Marc: direction or do you feel it's stagnated?

694

00:28:39,423 --> 00:28:41,013

Marc: When you watch the news or you talk to

695

00:28:41,073 --> 00:28:43,418

Marc: family, what's your perception of Iran in

696

00:28:43,438 --> 00:28:45,389

Marc: 2024?

697

00:28:46,011 --> 00:28:50,683

Shohreh: I wouldn't say that it has died down.

698

00:28:51,691 --> 00:28:53,579

Shohreh: I would say it has gone underground.

699

00:28:55,532 --> 00:28:59,280

Shohreh: Yes, in general, Iran is a lot quieter than

700

00:28:59,340 --> 00:29:00,282

Shohreh: it used to be.

701

00:29:00,343 --> 00:29:02,895

Shohreh: Last year the same time, when 1,500 young

702

00:29:02,915 --> 00:29:06,583

Shohreh: people were killed on the surface of the

703

00:29:06,603 --> 00:29:09,386

Shohreh: streets just because of having peaceful

704

00:29:09,446 --> 00:29:10,050

Shohreh: demonstrations.

705

00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:13,976

Shohreh: Just because of having a peaceful

706

00:29:14,457 --> 00:29:15,759

Shohreh: demonstrations, it looks calmer.

707

00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:25,112

Shohreh: But problem, the huge problem, the real

708

00:29:25,212 --> 00:29:26,034

Shohreh: problem beneath all of these is the fact

709

00:29:26,054 --> 00:29:30,683

Shohreh: that not until the whole world agrees with

710

00:29:30,703 --> 00:29:32,714

Shohreh: the Iranian people, who are asking for

711

00:29:32,775 --> 00:29:34,495

Shohreh: freedom, who are asking for a secular

712

00:29:34,535 --> 00:29:38,714

Shohreh: society, would not happen until the whole

713

00:29:38,774 --> 00:29:43,356

Shohreh: world agrees with them, until the world

714

00:29:43,597 --> 00:29:49,319

Shohreh: stop buying Iranian oil for one third of

715

00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,202

Shohreh: its real price.

716

00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:53,739

Shohreh: Who wants to buy the oil for its real price

717

00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:56,499

Shohreh: when they can buy it for half a price?

718

00:29:57,210 --> 00:30:02,117

Shohreh: It's all about money, it's about a

719

00:30:02,157 --> 00:30:06,855

Shohreh: strategic geographic position of Iran in

720

00:30:06,875 --> 00:30:10,927

Shohreh: the region, and not until the world

721

00:30:10,967 --> 00:30:14,899

Shohreh: realizes that they need to leave Iran alone.

722

00:30:15,341 --> 00:30:17,774

Shohreh: Not just Iran, but all the countries that

723

00:30:17,814 --> 00:30:18,856

Shohreh: have been occupied.

724

00:30:19,477 --> 00:30:23,371

Shohreh: Leave them alone and let them go through

725

00:30:23,391 --> 00:30:26,862

Shohreh: the same process as the others did and got

726

00:30:26,942 --> 00:30:29,471

Shohreh: where we are right now turned into an

727

00:30:29,531 --> 00:30:31,518

Shohreh: advanced technological country.

728

00:30:33,052 --> 00:30:34,257

Shohreh: Let it be, let it live.

729

00:30:41,611 --> 00:30:43,879

Marc: You know your studies in government.

730

00:30:43,930 --> 00:30:45,275

Marc: You studied government, is what you said,

731

00:30:45,295 --> 00:30:45,556

Marc: correct.

732

00:30:46,450 --> 00:30:48,612

Shohreh: International relations, international

733

00:30:48,632 --> 00:30:50,198

Shohreh: relations, political science, yeah.

734

00:30:51,491 --> 00:30:52,640

Marc: I had to, I had to.

735

00:30:53,112 --> 00:30:55,294

Marc: So that was kind of your, your journey to

736

00:30:55,334 --> 00:30:58,125

Marc: kind of deconstruct and kind of figure out

737

00:30:58,848 --> 00:31:00,394

Marc: how that makes sense to you, what was going

738

00:31:00,574 --> 00:31:02,480

Marc: on, you know, or have it, maybe it didn't

739

00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:02,621

Marc: mean.

740

00:31:05,417 --> 00:31:07,382

Shohreh: Back to your question about the expense.

741

00:31:07,931 --> 00:31:08,974

Shohreh: It's really interesting.

742

00:31:09,636 --> 00:31:11,462

Shohreh: You were saying that deconstructing.

743

00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:14,831

Shohreh: Had I not studied politics, I would have

744

00:31:14,972 --> 00:31:18,253

Shohreh: never been able to put it off as well as

745

00:31:18,393 --> 00:31:21,956

Shohreh: they say I did, because what I did the

746

00:31:21,996 --> 00:31:25,497

Shohreh: first episode, when it arrived, I started

747

00:31:25,538 --> 00:31:30,060

Shohreh: reading it and I started decoding it.

748

00:31:30,290 --> 00:31:33,979

Shohreh: That's how I can portray my characters

749

00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:39,697

Shohreh: decode what people say, decode the cities

750

00:31:39,837 --> 00:31:42,042

Shohreh: or the names that have been put there

751

00:31:43,951 --> 00:31:44,856

Shohreh: Fictional of course.

752

00:31:45,250 --> 00:31:47,697

Shohreh: Try to find out what the writers or the

753

00:31:47,757 --> 00:31:49,341

Shohreh: novelists are trying to tell you.

754

00:31:51,697 --> 00:31:52,861

Shohreh: Where is this coming from?

755

00:31:55,976 --> 00:31:58,302

Shohreh: This Martians, who could they stand for?

756

00:31:58,402 --> 00:32:02,260

Shohreh: Martians, belters, earthers.

757

00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:06,720

Shohreh: So when I started decoding them, I realized

758

00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,874

Shohreh: what was going on, and then I started

759

00:32:09,777 --> 00:32:11,712

Shohreh: working on my character, one of the things

760

00:32:11,792 --> 00:32:12,935

Shohreh: I think was captured very well.

761

00:32:12,975 --> 00:32:14,901

Marc: I'm not a Trekkie, I'm not a Star Trek guy,

762

00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:16,713

Marc: but I appreciate Star Trek because it

763

00:32:16,794 --> 00:32:20,261

Marc: really addressed real core human issues

764

00:32:20,702 --> 00:32:24,115

Marc: through the spectrum of the sci-fi stuff

765

00:32:24,957 --> 00:32:26,680

Marc: and that's something that I think you could

766

00:32:26,781 --> 00:32:29,573

Marc: see the expanse many moons from now

767

00:32:30,014 --> 00:32:31,739

Marc: actually being a real thing.

768

00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:33,772

Marc: You know, colonizing Mars, people on Mars

769

00:32:33,792 --> 00:32:33,992

Marc: going?

770

00:32:34,032 --> 00:32:35,055

Marc: Wait a minute, why don't we have our

771

00:32:35,437 --> 00:32:35,958

Marc: autonomy?

772

00:32:36,018 --> 00:32:36,861

Marc: Why are we beholden?

773

00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:40,399

Marc: And then for you it seemed like, as you

774

00:32:40,419 --> 00:32:41,662

Marc: said, it made a lot of sense.

775

00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:43,557

Marc: You know everybody's struggle, their

776

00:32:43,577 --> 00:32:44,099

Marc: desires.

777

00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:47,540

Marc: Would you say that the beginning of

778

00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,343

Marc: Avasarala?

779

00:32:48,423 --> 00:32:50,490

Marc: She was very political.

780

00:32:50,871 --> 00:32:52,717

Marc: You know she was more of a political animal

781

00:32:52,898 --> 00:32:54,573

Marc: early on and then evolved from there.

782

00:32:54,593 --> 00:32:56,440

Marc: Would you say that's accurate, absolutely?

783

00:32:57,183 --> 00:32:57,966

Shohreh: It's her journey.

784

00:32:58,649 --> 00:33:00,312

Shohreh: I believe it's the journey of every

785

00:33:00,372 --> 00:33:01,033

Shohreh: politician.

786

00:33:02,776 --> 00:33:04,739

Shohreh: Let's take Margaret Thatcher for that

787

00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:10,175

Shohreh: reason, and let's see how she started, what

788

00:33:10,216 --> 00:33:14,094

Shohreh: she was trying to do, how she represented

789

00:33:14,836 --> 00:33:18,091

Shohreh: the crown and where she ended up being, and

790

00:33:18,151 --> 00:33:23,162

Shohreh: how once she was not liked by many but now

791

00:33:23,322 --> 00:33:24,004

Shohreh: she's a hero.

792

00:33:24,732 --> 00:33:28,230

Shohreh: It all depends on the politician's journey

793

00:33:29,093 --> 00:33:30,478

Shohreh: and the way the novelists did it.

794

00:33:30,790 --> 00:33:33,656

Shohreh: They did an amazing job because she takes a

795

00:33:33,756 --> 00:33:36,135

Shohreh: real arc, as in real life.

796

00:33:36,657 --> 00:33:38,753

Shohreh: She is a politician but at the same time

797

00:33:39,013 --> 00:33:40,838

Shohreh: she's a mother, she's a wife.

798

00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:43,518

Marc: Well, at the end of the day, the fact that

799

00:33:43,539 --> 00:33:46,356

Marc: the mother aspect seemed to color, really,

800

00:33:46,396 --> 00:33:47,199

Marc: that was what was.

801

00:33:47,270 --> 00:33:48,161

Marc: Everything was floating on.

802

00:33:48,181 --> 00:33:50,396

Marc: That experience, or the experience of your

803

00:33:50,416 --> 00:33:53,136

Marc: son, by the way, if anybody hasn't seen the

804

00:33:53,196 --> 00:33:55,708

Marc: expanse, if you're listening to this, uh,

805

00:33:55,868 --> 00:33:59,196

Marc: spoilers everywhere but uh, but your, but

806

00:33:59,216 --> 00:34:02,543

Marc: your son, but your son dying, really, I

807

00:34:02,583 --> 00:34:04,294

Marc: think that not only influenced you but also

808

00:34:04,334 --> 00:34:05,920

Marc: helped you connect to the other characters.

809

00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:08,375

Marc: It was so well-written, you know it was so

810

00:34:08,395 --> 00:34:10,319

Marc: because there was, there was an easy, was

811

00:34:10,359 --> 00:34:12,223

Marc: an easy empathy that your character seemed

812

00:34:12,243 --> 00:34:15,616

Marc: to have with even Frankie Adams' character.

813

00:34:15,657 --> 00:34:19,235

Marc: You know, here's somebody who's a military

814

00:34:19,296 --> 00:34:22,178

Marc: grunt, but you made a connection and you

815

00:34:22,198 --> 00:34:24,936

Marc: know, ultimately, the relationship you had

816

00:34:25,158 --> 00:34:27,494

Marc: with Wes Chatham's character was arguably

817

00:34:27,534 --> 00:34:28,077

Marc: my favorite.

818

00:34:28,097 --> 00:34:29,969

Marc: You know, I'm kind of wondering, you know.

819

00:34:30,090 --> 00:34:33,552

Marc: Just, you know, calling you Chrissy, you

820

00:34:33,572 --> 00:34:35,995

Marc: know, like, how it evolved is such a Well

821

00:34:36,055 --> 00:34:36,397

Marc: written.

822

00:34:36,590 --> 00:34:37,816

Marc: Did you have any input?

823

00:34:39,310 --> 00:34:40,937

Marc: It seems like whoever was involved in

824

00:34:41,017 --> 00:34:43,977

Marc: wardrobe it seems like that kind of evolved.

825

00:34:44,037 --> 00:34:44,699

Marc: And there was more.

826

00:34:44,970 --> 00:34:46,697

Marc: It almost seemed like they were.

827

00:34:47,191 --> 00:34:49,700

Marc: Were they hooking into your own lineage,

828

00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:51,195

Marc: your own history and trying to?

829

00:34:51,977 --> 00:34:54,234

Marc: It seems like you were the, the, the

830

00:34:54,294 --> 00:34:55,498

Marc: jewelry, the wardrobe.

831

00:34:55,538 --> 00:34:56,541

Marc: It was bigger, it was.

832

00:34:56,581 --> 00:34:59,410

Marc: It was not loud that that vibrant, vibrant

833

00:34:59,731 --> 00:35:00,292

Marc: and larger.

834

00:35:00,513 --> 00:35:02,318

Marc: Yeah, did you have any discussion with them

835

00:35:02,378 --> 00:35:04,170

Marc: about that, about the way you were wanting

836

00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:05,813

Marc: to look and the way you were wanting to

837

00:35:06,213 --> 00:35:06,674

Marc: present?

838

00:35:06,794 --> 00:35:10,018

Shohreh: day one, when I went for a fitting with

839

00:35:10,158 --> 00:35:15,164

Shohreh: Joanne Hansen, our designer, the series

840

00:35:15,204 --> 00:35:16,826

Shohreh: designer, costume designer.

841

00:35:18,031 --> 00:35:21,418

Shohreh: As soon as I opened the door, the dress was

842

00:35:21,518 --> 00:35:24,084

Shohreh: on the mannequin, the costume.

843

00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:27,577

Shohreh: I looked at it and I just bowed to her and

844

00:35:27,617 --> 00:35:30,543

Shohreh: I said what an amazing job you have done,

845

00:35:32,031 --> 00:35:33,336

Shohreh: what an amazing job.

846

00:35:33,951 --> 00:35:37,874

Shohreh: East meets west here and this is what I

847

00:35:38,075 --> 00:35:39,380

Shohreh: love about this costume.

848

00:35:40,631 --> 00:35:43,412

Shohreh: She looks at me and, very humble, she says

849

00:35:43,873 --> 00:35:46,000

Shohreh: is there anything you'd like to add to it?

850

00:35:46,750 --> 00:35:49,520

Shohreh: I'm like, oh boy, what a humble designer.

851

00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:53,378

Shohreh: And I said, well, honestly, yeah, every

852

00:35:53,418 --> 00:35:55,833

Shohreh: time, every single time, she was like what

853

00:35:55,873 --> 00:35:56,295

Shohreh: would you like?

854

00:35:56,971 --> 00:35:59,276

Shohreh: If there's anything you would like to

855

00:35:59,317 --> 00:36:01,622

Shohreh: change or add, please let me know.

856

00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:03,736

Shohreh: We'll do it by all means.

857

00:36:04,571 --> 00:36:06,837

Shohreh: And I looked at the outfit and I thought

858

00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:07,720

Shohreh: the costume.

859

00:36:07,780 --> 00:36:18,492

Shohreh: And I thought and I thought, well, with

860

00:36:18,512 --> 00:36:19,873

Shohreh: this costume I am going to enter a pretty

861

00:36:19,913 --> 00:36:20,353

Shohreh: dangerous area.

862

00:36:20,373 --> 00:36:21,855

Shohreh: And what I remember from Hitchcock's,

863

00:36:22,115 --> 00:36:26,400

Shohreh: alfred Hitchcock's movies was that every

864

00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,742

Shohreh: time there was going to be, a scene was

865

00:36:28,762 --> 00:36:31,926

Shohreh: going to be dangerous or danger was about

866

00:36:32,026 --> 00:36:44,492

Shohreh: to come, he would use the color red.

867

00:36:44,533 --> 00:36:45,113

Shohreh: He would use red.

868

00:36:45,514 --> 00:36:47,176

Shohreh: And I said I talked to Jordan about Alfred

869

00:36:47,617 --> 00:36:49,319

Shohreh: Hitchcock's use of colors in his movies and

870

00:36:49,339 --> 00:36:50,821

Shohreh: I said do you think we can just make her

871

00:36:50,881 --> 00:36:54,206

Shohreh: cufflinks red or give her a red necklace

872

00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:58,602

Shohreh: Because she's about to enter a dangerous

873

00:36:58,703 --> 00:37:01,010

Shohreh: zone and I'd like to give the audience.

874

00:37:01,351 --> 00:37:03,577

Shohreh: If the audience are familiar with

875

00:37:03,597 --> 00:37:05,751

Shohreh: Hitchcock's movies, they would say why is

876

00:37:05,771 --> 00:37:06,555

Shohreh: she wearing red?

877

00:37:08,192 --> 00:37:09,317

Shohreh: Is this going to be dangerous?

878

00:37:09,490 --> 00:37:10,977

Shohreh: Is this scene going to be dangerous, or

879

00:37:11,017 --> 00:37:11,157

Shohreh: what?

880

00:37:11,590 --> 00:37:14,634

Shohreh: She was always all the time and, to be

881

00:37:14,694 --> 00:37:17,515

Shohreh: honest with you, I haven't seen anything

882

00:37:17,756 --> 00:37:18,880

Shohreh: like her yet.

883

00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:21,619

Shohreh: I've worked almost 50 years now, half a

884

00:37:21,659 --> 00:37:22,020

Shohreh: century.

885

00:37:23,452 --> 00:37:26,321

Shohreh: She is really one of a kind.

886

00:37:27,191 --> 00:37:28,831

Marc: I have to say, the whole show and they're

887

00:37:28,952 --> 00:37:30,783

Marc: wonderful characters, such an incredible

888

00:37:30,864 --> 00:37:31,310

Marc: ensemble.

889

00:37:31,851 --> 00:37:33,496

Marc: It seems like there was a lot of love and

890

00:37:33,556 --> 00:37:38,289

Marc: care put into your character by, like you

891

00:37:38,309 --> 00:37:39,873

Marc: mentioned just the wardrobe and things like.

892

00:37:39,893 --> 00:37:43,381

Marc: It's such an aesthetically interesting show

893

00:37:43,441 --> 00:37:43,942

Marc: to watch.

894

00:37:44,263 --> 00:37:45,372

Marc: It's so funny because there's a couple of

895

00:37:45,412 --> 00:37:47,498

Marc: years ago I just happened upon it expanse.

896

00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:48,991

Marc: I was like I'm gonna watch it one day, one

897

00:37:49,011 --> 00:37:51,016

Marc: day and it's it grabbed me immediately and

898

00:37:51,036 --> 00:37:54,524

Marc: I have to say Officer Allah is the one,

899

00:37:54,845 --> 00:37:56,870

Marc: you're one of the main reasons I was pulled

900

00:37:57,010 --> 00:37:58,033

Marc: into that ecosystem.

901

00:37:58,394 --> 00:37:59,637

Marc: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

902

00:38:00,098 --> 00:38:02,163

Shohreh: Thank you so much, but I have to tell you

903

00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:02,551

Shohreh: something.

904

00:38:03,111 --> 00:38:04,093

Shohreh: It's really interesting.

905

00:38:04,153 --> 00:38:07,818

Shohreh: This show has received a lot of great

906

00:38:07,979 --> 00:38:08,379

Shohreh: reviews.

907

00:38:08,539 --> 00:38:11,263

Shohreh: I haven't even received one bad one, but my

908

00:38:11,343 --> 00:38:17,039

Shohreh: favorite of them all is a real scientist

909

00:38:18,041 --> 00:38:19,143

Shohreh: review and this show.

910

00:38:20,631 --> 00:38:22,914

Shohreh: In two and a half pages he proves to you as

911

00:38:22,974 --> 00:38:29,246

Shohreh: to why expense is the most accurate version

912

00:38:29,367 --> 00:38:29,910

Shohreh: of the future.

913

00:38:30,432 --> 00:38:33,253

Shohreh: If you're not being careful, keep polluting

914

00:38:33,333 --> 00:38:34,739

Shohreh: our air and our oceans.

915

00:38:35,471 --> 00:38:36,375

Shohreh: This is the end.

916

00:38:37,631 --> 00:38:40,738

Shohreh: And you're right, because every time I read

917

00:38:40,778 --> 00:38:43,012

Shohreh: the script I felt like my God, it sounds

918

00:38:43,593 --> 00:38:45,941

Shohreh: supposedly 200 years, 300 years from now,

919

00:38:46,570 --> 00:38:48,839

Shohreh: but it relatively speaks for today.

920

00:38:49,611 --> 00:38:50,156

Shohreh: It is already happening.

921

00:38:50,176 --> 00:38:51,085

Shohreh: Indeed, indeed, it's already happening.

922

00:38:51,105 --> 00:38:52,834

Marc: Indeed, indeed, it's such a wonderful

923

00:38:52,874 --> 00:38:55,417

Marc: analogy and metaphors and all, and I spoke

924

00:38:55,437 --> 00:38:57,835

Marc: with Neil deGrasse Tyson about a little

925

00:38:57,855 --> 00:38:58,478

Marc: over a year ago.

926

00:38:58,951 --> 00:39:00,247

Marc: We're talking about our favorite sci-fi

927

00:39:00,288 --> 00:39:02,859

Marc: shows, which one we thought got it right,

928

00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:05,397

Marc: and of course, neil deGrasse Tyson doesn't

929

00:39:05,437 --> 00:39:06,019

Marc: bite his tongue.

930

00:39:06,651 --> 00:39:08,035

Marc: We were talking about the movie the Martian

931

00:39:08,196 --> 00:39:11,153

Marc: with Matt Damon, but I mentioned the Ex,

932

00:39:11,173 --> 00:39:12,558

Marc: the expanse, and I was wanting to get his

933

00:39:12,578 --> 00:39:12,960

Marc: feedback.

934

00:39:13,271 --> 00:39:14,876

Marc: He said it's on his list of things to see.

935

00:39:15,278 --> 00:39:15,719

Marc: He hadn't seen it.

936

00:39:15,810 --> 00:39:17,275

Marc: He was like you got to watch it, you got to

937

00:39:17,295 --> 00:39:17,535

Marc: watch it.

938

00:39:17,555 --> 00:39:18,278

Marc: We're going to talk again.

939

00:39:18,318 --> 00:39:20,271

Marc: I want to get your feedback, what you think

940

00:39:20,311 --> 00:39:20,711

Marc: about the.

941

00:39:21,132 --> 00:39:23,515

Marc: You know, yes, some things there's creative

942

00:39:23,575 --> 00:39:26,359

Marc: license taken, but the the show 24, but it

943

00:39:26,379 --> 00:39:27,620

Marc: was about your son having a, the son thing.

944

00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:33,613

Marc: I guess there's a through line.

945

00:39:33,653 --> 00:39:35,838

Marc: But I I am curious about the 24 thing.

946

00:39:36,439 --> 00:39:39,733

Marc: I've spoken with, I think two, um, I've

947

00:39:39,753 --> 00:39:42,979

Marc: spoken to folks who were on 24 that show.

948

00:39:43,019 --> 00:39:45,384

Marc: I don't think people realize who a little

949

00:39:45,424 --> 00:39:48,915

Marc: bit younger, how big 24 was for its time

950

00:39:49,236 --> 00:39:50,017

Marc: unbelievable.

951

00:39:50,037 --> 00:39:51,660

Shohreh: Unbelievable it was unbelievable.

952

00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,623

Shohreh: We even had some problems with Iran.

953

00:39:56,211 --> 00:40:00,541

Shohreh: Some politicians in Iran spoke against 24,

954

00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:03,998

Shohreh: saying that where do they get these names

955

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Shohreh: from?

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Shohreh: I do remember there was a name involved.

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Shohreh: One of the terrorists' name was Mansouri

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Shohreh: and apparently there was one in Iran, and

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Shohreh: they were like where did they get their

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Shohreh: names from?

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Shohreh: Why are they trying to make us look bad?

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Shohreh: I remember they were very, very angry with

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Shohreh: it.

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Shohreh: But recently I heard that Gasem Soleimani,

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Shohreh: the general who was killed in Iraq, used to

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Shohreh: watch 24.

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Shohreh: Apparently he was a fan of 24.

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Shohreh: But most probably he realized while

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Shohreh: watching that this Mansourie is for real

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Shohreh: and who's given the US a tip that Mansourie

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Shohreh: is in charge of this.

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Shohreh: So yeah, 24 was huge.

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Shohreh: It has a cult in Japan.

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Marc: Yeah, still, you know, it's one of those

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Marc: shows that you watched.

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Marc: It was, you know, after 9-11.

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Shohreh: It came on right about the right time.

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